Hosea 12:2-6, it is wisdom to search out scripture, many times GOD clarifies His WORD & repeats. Also significant : Genesis 28:17-22, Genesis 32, Genesis 35:1,3, Genesis 35 whole chapter puts together Bethel & Bethlehem & GOD's appearing, Genesis 48:3,7, Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 2:3, Isaiah 41:8, Jeremiah 31:11, Jeremiah 51:19, Micah 4:2, Acts 7:46-48,
The fruit was of the "tree of the knowledge of good & evil"
Genesis 2:9 " And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
Genesis 2:15-17, Genesis 3:22
It is symbolic, spiritual & seemingly literal. If it were an apple tree, or fig I believe it would have said. See Matthew 21:19, Genesis 1:11,
Knowledge of good and evil, yet GOD's Word says the things of evil, we shouldn't learn. Genesis 6:5, Genesis 48:16, Exodus 32:2, Numbers 13 -14, Deuteronomy 1:39, (in context Deuteronomy 1:20-40 ) Hebrews 10:22, James 1:13-27,
Dear brother, since Jacob was under the influence of God's Spirit and was about to start prophesing about his children, I suppose that he was given a direction from the Holly Spirit.
Udodirim this may be a lil hard to understand...But Gen. 25 said that the Elder shall serve the younger...When Rachel was pregnant the 2 children struggled in her womb...And Joseph's 2 sons Ephraim and Manasseh Gen. 48 says JACOB BLESSED THE YOUNGER INSTEAD OF THE ELDER...Which answers to our Salvation ...We must birth a new innerman which is the H.G. OUR YOUNGER MAN as Jesus said whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...Its our younger man which is the H.G thats is truly blessed...Our bornagain man is the younger he is the one who gets the Blesssing...But our old man has to serve the Younger which is Christ in us...We cannot have the Kingdom unless we are bornagain...Its only our Newman that is heir to the Kingdom...And we are just a joint heir with the H.G. That Child of Promise our New Innerman which is the younger man...Our NEWMAN, our new born is gonna be served by the elder which is our old man
.....10 times in the N.T. Speaks of us needing to birth a new innerman...Which is Christ in us...Our new born...There is a baby Christ in our future which is the H.G that Child of PROMISE...That New Born babe that desires the sincere milk of the word is the H.G. that Child of Promise...Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me which is the H.G the Child of PROMISE...She brought forth aman Child that is gonna rule ALL nations...We are the woman but her Child is our new born, the younger...The Woman is the elder (humanity) but her Child is the younger..The H.G ..That is gonna be born in us via the seed of Christ....There's more to this Manasseh Ephrahim thing then what meets the eye...Jesus said these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes...The younger ones..The H.G....The Children of PROMISE.
The text does not say why Jacob did this, but it may be that Jacob did this under the direction of the Holy Spirit Who gave Jacob a word from God concerning this-perhaps in a time of prayer, in a dream, in a vision, or in an appearance of the "Angel of the Lord" that was not recorded. But I believe it was God's will for Jacob to do this.
Why did Jacob place Ephraim before Manasseh and blessed him more?. I do not understand it. Pease could you throw more light on this?. Thank you and remain ever blessed and rapturable in JESUS name. Amen.
This is the most important blessing the 2 boys could have received. Ephraim, the younger, was to come first, and become a nation and a company of nations. His older brother, Manasseh, what to become a great nation.
Jacob (Israel) now repeats the blessing as his father did. This time; as with him he was to bless the younger son over the older; going against tradition. He appeared to be aware despite bad vision. Unlike with his father and Rebekkah in his blessing, however his son Joseph told him he was in error to his face. His son tried to change it to be enacted for Manasseh but his father refused. This going against tradition happens once again when the Lord judges not to human appearance with David over all of his older brothers to be anointed to be king.
It is also interesting that this whole possession of the land and flocks and possessions of Israel would eventually lead them to forced servitude and bondage owning nothing for themselves. In short; they sort of set themselves up for what eventually went down hundreds of years later. This of course was all prophesied earlier to Abraham.
The fact that Jacob in the previous chapter mentions to Pharoah that his days were shorter despite being well over 100 than the other patriarchs; there is once again validity to the much advanced age of death going back closer to the time of Noah; who produced all living since the flood; and of course the same pattern holds true back to Adam.
It appears that Jacob's agreement with Laban not to marry anyone else also held true. The fact that he went back to the place where he first trusted in God and put an altar there and his whole life shows great faith and God's chastisement to teach him lessons. Despite his son Joseph's seemingly boastful dreams the father kept it to heart. Truly father and son were greatly blessed; despite what the enemy surely tried to mean for good-the blessing of the Lord prevailed to accomplish His purposes. Opposition would later allow Moses to trust God for Israel's great deliverance from Egypt and Pharaoh and to finally conquer the Promised Land (at least in part).
Here is a true to the letter fulfillment of prophesy:
Early on, God warned both houses of Israel (Judah & Israel) if they broke His statutes they would be punished 7 times (7 x 360 days/years = 2,520 years), according to ( Leviticus 26:18).
1) The house of Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria in 721 BC + 2,520 years = 1,799 when (Ephraim) became strong as the British empire, and eventually America (Manasseh) became that great city ( Genesis 48:16-20).
2) Then, 117 years later, the house of Judah was taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in 604 BC +2,520 years = 1917. This happened to the day and hour of singing the Balfour Declaration, releasing Judah on 11/2/17!!! Britain (Rothschild) effectively bought the Ashkenazim ( Revelation 2:9) a home on land they had no claim to ( Genesis 10:2-3). The Times of Israel ran a full page article detailing the story, so this fact is not disputed.
The lead house of Israel tribes (Ephraim, Manasseh, sons of Joseph) are the birthright people (land, wealth) per their Genesis 48 blessing. And that is how prophesy is fulfilled.
I have a rule myself to let the HOLY Spirit teach us as we read. 1 John 2:27, John 14:26,
Sometimes we have to work at "unlearning" what someone tells us the Bible says. GOD's WORD is a "living Word" it teaches, corrects, edifies._.. 2 Timothy 3:16, & gives us wisdom. James 1:5,
Genesis 34, is the account. Notice : Genesis 34:2, they were Hivite
Thank you "GiGi" for pointing out her approximate age through scriptural knowledge. Genesis 30:19-31, Genesis 31:38-41,
Genesis 33:13-17, it says after they met Esau, they built a house & booths for cattle it doesn't say exactly how long they were there. It appears they may have left when Joseph was about 6 yrs. old because Genesis 31:41, But it was before Joseph was 17, Dinah seems to be older sister, they then pitched a tent._ Genesis 33:18-20 The only accounts of age we're given is Joseph was born & Genesis 30:25, Genesis 37:1-2, yet Joseph went to find his brethren in (Shechem) so was this timing, a historical account putting both situations about the same time? Genesis 37:11-14, because later Israel/Jacob tells Joseph about his mother's death & burial, that happened on Journey Genesis 35:1, Genesis 35:15-20, Genesis 35:27-29, Genesis 48:1-7, Genesis 45:25, Genesis 46:6,
Ahh, here is the blessings. I mistook the bowing of Jacob's head on the bed in the last chapter as Jacob dying.
It is interesting that this is the first time Jacob meets Joseph's sons. Where were they all the years Jacob was in Goshen, Egypt? Did is mother keep them from Joseph's family?
Jacob first calls Joseph to him when he knows that his death is near. He wants to give the birthright blessing to one of Joseph's sons. And he puts his right hand (the hand of blessing) on the second born, not the first. He blesses both.
Joseph receives a double blessing from his father.
Makes me think that back before Joseph went to Egypt, and Joseph was Jacob's favored son, God must have told Jacob that the blessing he received from his father Isaac over Esau, and Isaac received from Abraham over Ishmael was to go to Joseph. This blessing had the promises of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob attached to it. It identifies the one God will bless exceedingly with descendants, possession of the land, and walk with God.
There seems to be several times that occurs throughout the Bible, Is it to show us to view each person individually? Several were opposites, yet similar; is that to inspire us to be our best? Luke 7:19-28,
Interestingly Saul, Saul/Paul, 1 Samuel 15, Acts 13:9, Saul continued to do wickedly, Saul/Paul repentantly changed Acts 8,
Tamar, Tamar, 2 Samuel 13, 2 Samuel 13:19-20, Genesis 38, 1 Chronicles 2:4, Ruth 4:12,
Sister Nanette, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS understanding and HIS wisdom.
You are correct, The Spirit is ONLY CALLING OUT the manifest Sons of GOD; NOW, in the age of grace. (first death and resurrection)
But:
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (CREATION) WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of GOD.
Romans 8:20 For the creature (CREATION) ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption INTO the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.
The rest of creation (second resurrection and second death) will be delivered (to Spiritual truth and Spiritual life) THROUGH JUDGEMENT. ( Isaiah 4:4) The lake of fire that burneth with brimstone.
1 Corinthians 3:15 ....But he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as BY FIRE.
It is true that God knows His sheep. A person who has experienced a spiritual re-birth (Born again) is a person who God knows. All others are impostors. There will come a day that many will profess that during their lifetime, they did many wonderful things "in His name," and the Lord will say to them "Depart from me, I never knew you." This would be all those who died without receiving Christ. You are correct in that there are two future resurrections. There will be a resurrection for those who have died "In Christ," and then there will be another resurrection after the thousand-year reign of Christ for those who died without Christ, those who rejected Him in their lifetime. The first resurrection is the one you want to be a part of because those in the second one will be cast into the lake of fire.
I don't think the bible teaches that a person who dies without Christ in their life will be given a second chance after death, if that's what you are saying. Again, God knows all His sheep, those who have received Christ while still alive on this earth. In Galatians 4:9 Paul says, But now, and if I may point this out to you because it is very subtle, and he said it in Colossians also.
He says but after you have known God, or (rather) are known of God. You see, Paul corrected himself. He corrected himself in Colossians as well. And we do it all the time. We ask people "Do you know the Lord?" But the scripture says does the Lord know you? That's what's important. It's not that I know Christ, but He knows me.
Nanette, does the Lord know you? Have you received Him? Have you surrendered your life to Him? It is my hope that you have already done so and that you belong to Him. If you have not yet surrendered your life to Jesus Christ, please do not hesitate to do so. There is no guarantee of tomorrow. Believing that we get a second chance at salvation after death is not a risk anyone should take!
God says He knows only those that keep His way,His commandments and though many call His name he does not know them.God knows that all that die in this life will be given another kick at the cat so to speak.If not in the first resuerection then the second.
I have found the teachings of OSEAS to be oddly inaccurate for my taste. When I told him who the lead tribes of the house of Israel were ( Genesis 48:12-22 emphasis on vs 19), he freaked out, calling me "evil". He is also talking about an active beast before the falling away, and another beast afterwards. Each beast has 3.5 years in antichrist's kingdom. That would be fine, except anti-christ is revealed only when he destroys Babylon, not before. There's more that rubs me wrong, but it's fair game in the open market, and par for this course.
Hello Jannelle. This is one of those oft-asked profound questions to which there is no adequate well-informed answer. I think most of us have given this much thought at some point in our Christian walk, so various answers may well be correct.
Even as God has all Power to protect or shield His children from all harm, discomfort & disappointment in life, it seems He often chooses not to do so. Even with the ministry of Jesus to the sick & suffering, or those who died & He raised to life, there was certainly joy amongst them that their life had been restored but does that mean that they didn't have to face struggles, ill-health & calamity the next day? Or, even those in the Church so equipped with the Gift of healing, have certainly restored many to health by the Spirit's Power, yet there was never a complete removal of their other problems that would come to them later on.
So in my understanding, the root cause for our woes is simply because we live in a sin-ravaged corrupt world & living in bodies so affected. Indeed, our spirits might be renewed & refreshed by God's Spirit, & even healing can come to us during that experience & subsequent times in our lives, yet the fact remains, none of us has ever been freed from pain or calamity - Adam & Eve saw to it. And it would be nice if God would wave His Hand over us every time an impending trouble approaches us, but that doesn't happen.
Rather, for the one who has placed his trust in God through His Son, our sufferings, though just as painful as unbelievers might experience, can find a measure of relief, of joy & of perfecting that none else can receive. This is because we are His children - He cares - He gives Grace - He draws us closer to Him - He uses us for others. You can look at these few Scriptures to guide you: Romans 8:18-28; 2 Corinthians 1:3-5; 2 Corinthians 4:16-18; John 16:33; Romans 4:1-5; Philippians 4:11-13. In the midst of our suffering, we can always prove the Lord sufficient & gracious to us.
I have recently been asked a question by a friend, and am having troubles with it. I do know the answer, but its very difficult to put it all into the right words.
They were wondering how we can say that God is all-loving, merciful, and gracious, but can still let bad things happen to His people.
Even though it isn't declared in Numbers 32 that the half-tribe of Manasseh asked for the land to the east of the Jordan, it is understood that they did, as Numbers 32:33 indicate that Reuben, Gad & the half-tribe of Manasseh were given the land on the proviso that they first helped their brethren in the battle to capture the land to the west of the Jordan.
However, a Jewish commentator has seen this differently. He refers to Genesis 48:21,22 when he believes that this decision for the half-tribe of Manasseh to remain on the other side was based on the promise by Israel to Joseph "to give one portion above thy brethren". So he sees this as Moses' decision & not a wish on Manasseh's part. Whatever the truth of the matter, the half-tribe didn't seem to object to it, as that area "was a place of cattle" ( Numbers 32:1) & so it seemed to be a wise decision for their prosperity, as was for Reuben & Gad.
I have heard this from others also that the 2nd born gets the most blessings. This is not so. Some 1st born gets the most and some 2nd born. Jesus was the first born. But if you think about it, when we are saved we are born again which would be our second time to be born.
Deuteronomy 29:18-21, Judges 1:34, Judges 5:17, Judges 18, 1Kings 12:30, 2Kings 10:29, Amos 8:14,
Revelation 7:9-17,
Hope this helps explain for understanding
Psalms 146:5,
James 1:5,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
Bethlehem,
Matthew 2:1-18,
Genesis 35:19,20, * Genesis 48:7,
Hopefully these are helpful
The fruit was of the "tree of the knowledge of good & evil"
Genesis 2:9 " And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
Genesis 2:15-17, Genesis 3:22
It is symbolic, spiritual & seemingly literal. If it were an apple tree, or fig I believe it would have said. See Matthew 21:19, Genesis 1:11,
Knowledge of good and evil, yet GOD's Word says the things of evil, we shouldn't learn. Genesis 6:5, Genesis 48:16, Exodus 32:2, Numbers 13 -14, Deuteronomy 1:39, (in context Deuteronomy 1:20-40 ) Hebrews 10:22, James 1:13-27,
Romans 16:19-20
James 1:5,
Hopefully these are all helpful
.....10 times in the N.T. Speaks of us needing to birth a new innerman...Which is Christ in us...Our new born...There is a baby Christ in our future which is the H.G that Child of PROMISE...That New Born babe that desires the sincere milk of the word is the H.G. that Child of Promise...Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me which is the H.G the Child of PROMISE...She brought forth aman Child that is gonna rule ALL nations...We are the woman but her Child is our new born, the younger...The Woman is the elder (humanity) but her Child is the younger..The H.G ..That is gonna be born in us via the seed of Christ....There's more to this Manasseh Ephrahim thing then what meets the eye...Jesus said these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes...The younger ones..The H.G....The Children of PROMISE.
The text does not say why Jacob did this, but it may be that Jacob did this under the direction of the Holy Spirit Who gave Jacob a word from God concerning this-perhaps in a time of prayer, in a dream, in a vision, or in an appearance of the "Angel of the Lord" that was not recorded. But I believe it was God's will for Jacob to do this.
Udo Amaefule
GOD is = GOD ALMIGHTY, Genesis 17:1, Genesis 28:3, Genesis 35:11, Genesis 48:3,
JEHOVAH, Exodus 6:3, FATHER : Matthew 23:9, Matthew 6:6-10, GOD of thy father, GOD of Abraham, GOD of Isaac, GOD of Jacob, Exodus 3:6,
Many times GOD is referred to by what HE has done: GOD that sees; Genesis 16:13, GOD that provides,
Hopefully this is helpful
Who are these 2 boys today?
It is also interesting that this whole possession of the land and flocks and possessions of Israel would eventually lead them to forced servitude and bondage owning nothing for themselves. In short; they sort of set themselves up for what eventually went down hundreds of years later. This of course was all prophesied earlier to Abraham.
The fact that Jacob in the previous chapter mentions to Pharoah that his days were shorter despite being well over 100 than the other patriarchs; there is once again validity to the much advanced age of death going back closer to the time of Noah; who produced all living since the flood; and of course the same pattern holds true back to Adam.
It appears that Jacob's agreement with Laban not to marry anyone else also held true. The fact that he went back to the place where he first trusted in God and put an altar there and his whole life shows great faith and God's chastisement to teach him lessons. Despite his son Joseph's seemingly boastful dreams the father kept it to heart. Truly father and son were greatly blessed; despite what the enemy surely tried to mean for good-the blessing of the Lord prevailed to accomplish His purposes. Opposition would later allow Moses to trust God for Israel's great deliverance from Egypt and Pharaoh and to finally conquer the Promised Land (at least in part).
Here is a true to the letter fulfillment of prophesy:
Early on, God warned both houses of Israel (Judah & Israel) if they broke His statutes they would be punished 7 times (7 x 360 days/years = 2,520 years), according to ( Leviticus 26:18).
1) The house of Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria in 721 BC + 2,520 years = 1,799 when (Ephraim) became strong as the British empire, and eventually America (Manasseh) became that great city ( Genesis 48:16-20).
2) Then, 117 years later, the house of Judah was taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in 604 BC +2,520 years = 1917. This happened to the day and hour of singing the Balfour Declaration, releasing Judah on 11/2/17!!! Britain (Rothschild) effectively bought the Ashkenazim ( Revelation 2:9) a home on land they had no claim to ( Genesis 10:2-3). The Times of Israel ran a full page article detailing the story, so this fact is not disputed.
The lead house of Israel tribes (Ephraim, Manasseh, sons of Joseph) are the birthright people (land, wealth) per their Genesis 48 blessing. And that is how prophesy is fulfilled.
Sometimes we have to work at "unlearning" what someone tells us the Bible says. GOD's WORD is a "living Word" it teaches, corrects, edifies._.. 2 Timothy 3:16, & gives us wisdom. James 1:5,
Genesis 34, is the account. Notice : Genesis 34:2, they were Hivite
Exodus 23:28, Exodus 34:11, Exodus 33:2, Genesis 10:15-19, Joshua 9,
Hopefully this is all helpful.
Thank you "GiGi" for pointing out her approximate age through scriptural knowledge. Genesis 30:19-31, Genesis 31:38-41,
Genesis 33:13-17, it says after they met Esau, they built a house & booths for cattle it doesn't say exactly how long they were there. It appears they may have left when Joseph was about 6 yrs. old because Genesis 31:41, But it was before Joseph was 17, Dinah seems to be older sister, they then pitched a tent._ Genesis 33:18-20 The only accounts of age we're given is Joseph was born & Genesis 30:25, Genesis 37:1-2, yet Joseph went to find his brethren in (Shechem) so was this timing, a historical account putting both situations about the same time? Genesis 37:11-14, because later Israel/Jacob tells Joseph about his mother's death & burial, that happened on Journey Genesis 35:1, Genesis 35:15-20, Genesis 35:27-29, Genesis 48:1-7, Genesis 45:25, Genesis 46:6,
It is interesting that this is the first time Jacob meets Joseph's sons. Where were they all the years Jacob was in Goshen, Egypt? Did is mother keep them from Joseph's family?
Jacob first calls Joseph to him when he knows that his death is near. He wants to give the birthright blessing to one of Joseph's sons. And he puts his right hand (the hand of blessing) on the second born, not the first. He blesses both.
Joseph receives a double blessing from his father.
Makes me think that back before Joseph went to Egypt, and Joseph was Jacob's favored son, God must have told Jacob that the blessing he received from his father Isaac over Esau, and Isaac received from Abraham over Ishmael was to go to Joseph. This blessing had the promises of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob attached to it. It identifies the one God will bless exceedingly with descendants, possession of the land, and walk with God.
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Genesis 49:16-18, Judges 18:1-31, 1 Kings 12:30, Amos 8:14, 2 Chronicles 16:4, 1 Kings 15:20, Jeremiah 8:14-17, * Deuteronomy 29:1-29,
Replaced by Manasseh, * Genesis 48:1-6, Numbers 26:28, Psalms 77:15,
Interestingly Saul, Saul/Paul, 1 Samuel 15, Acts 13:9, Saul continued to do wickedly, Saul/Paul repentantly changed Acts 8,
Tamar, Tamar, 2 Samuel 13, 2 Samuel 13:19-20, Genesis 38, 1 Chronicles 2:4, Ruth 4:12,
Manasseh, Manasseh: Joshua 17:1-18, Genesis 48:14,20, 2 Chronicle 30:11, Psalms 108:8, Jeremiah 15:4, 2 Chronicles 33:1, Isaiah 9:28, 2 Chronicles 33:10,22,
Lazarus, Lazarus, John 11, John 12:10, John 12:1-3, Luke 16:20, was one rich one poor?
Etc.
You are correct, The Spirit is ONLY CALLING OUT the manifest Sons of GOD; NOW, in the age of grace. (first death and resurrection)
But:
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (CREATION) WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of GOD.
Romans 8:20 For the creature (CREATION) ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption INTO the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.
The rest of creation (second resurrection and second death) will be delivered (to Spiritual truth and Spiritual life) THROUGH JUDGEMENT. ( Isaiah 4:4) The lake of fire that burneth with brimstone.
1 Corinthians 3:15 ....But he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as BY FIRE.
It is true that God knows His sheep. A person who has experienced a spiritual re-birth (Born again) is a person who God knows. All others are impostors. There will come a day that many will profess that during their lifetime, they did many wonderful things "in His name," and the Lord will say to them "Depart from me, I never knew you." This would be all those who died without receiving Christ. You are correct in that there are two future resurrections. There will be a resurrection for those who have died "In Christ," and then there will be another resurrection after the thousand-year reign of Christ for those who died without Christ, those who rejected Him in their lifetime. The first resurrection is the one you want to be a part of because those in the second one will be cast into the lake of fire.
I don't think the bible teaches that a person who dies without Christ in their life will be given a second chance after death, if that's what you are saying. Again, God knows all His sheep, those who have received Christ while still alive on this earth. In Galatians 4:9 Paul says, But now, and if I may point this out to you because it is very subtle, and he said it in Colossians also.
He says but after you have known God, or (rather) are known of God. You see, Paul corrected himself. He corrected himself in Colossians as well. And we do it all the time. We ask people "Do you know the Lord?" But the scripture says does the Lord know you? That's what's important. It's not that I know Christ, but He knows me.
Nanette, does the Lord know you? Have you received Him? Have you surrendered your life to Him? It is my hope that you have already done so and that you belong to Him. If you have not yet surrendered your life to Jesus Christ, please do not hesitate to do so. There is no guarantee of tomorrow. Believing that we get a second chance at salvation after death is not a risk anyone should take!
The lost sheep of Israel.
The Christian nations.
Ephraim and Manasseh blessing Genesis 48:16-19 = UK/US
The sons if Joseph are in "trouble".
I have found the teachings of OSEAS to be oddly inaccurate for my taste. When I told him who the lead tribes of the house of Israel were ( Genesis 48:12-22 emphasis on vs 19), he freaked out, calling me "evil". He is also talking about an active beast before the falling away, and another beast afterwards. Each beast has 3.5 years in antichrist's kingdom. That would be fine, except anti-christ is revealed only when he destroys Babylon, not before. There's more that rubs me wrong, but it's fair game in the open market, and par for this course.
Even as God has all Power to protect or shield His children from all harm, discomfort & disappointment in life, it seems He often chooses not to do so. Even with the ministry of Jesus to the sick & suffering, or those who died & He raised to life, there was certainly joy amongst them that their life had been restored but does that mean that they didn't have to face struggles, ill-health & calamity the next day? Or, even those in the Church so equipped with the Gift of healing, have certainly restored many to health by the Spirit's Power, yet there was never a complete removal of their other problems that would come to them later on.
So in my understanding, the root cause for our woes is simply because we live in a sin-ravaged corrupt world & living in bodies so affected. Indeed, our spirits might be renewed & refreshed by God's Spirit, & even healing can come to us during that experience & subsequent times in our lives, yet the fact remains, none of us has ever been freed from pain or calamity - Adam & Eve saw to it. And it would be nice if God would wave His Hand over us every time an impending trouble approaches us, but that doesn't happen.
Rather, for the one who has placed his trust in God through His Son, our sufferings, though just as painful as unbelievers might experience, can find a measure of relief, of joy & of perfecting that none else can receive. This is because we are His children - He cares - He gives Grace - He draws us closer to Him - He uses us for others. You can look at these few Scriptures to guide you: Romans 8:18-28; 2 Corinthians 1:3-5; 2 Corinthians 4:16-18; John 16:33; Romans 4:1-5; Philippians 4:11-13. In the midst of our suffering, we can always prove the Lord sufficient & gracious to us.
It was told to me one time that "God doesn't leave us but rather we leave God" we leave as in Galatians 5:15-21,
lusts of the flesh, but we also return to God as in Galatians 5:22-26 when we seek the fruits of the Spirit. I hope this helps.
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
They were wondering how we can say that God is all-loving, merciful, and gracious, but can still let bad things happen to His people.
Deuteronomy 8:3 ...neither did thy fathers know;
Genesis 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace;
Genesis 47:9 ...have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.
Genesis 48:21 unto the land of your fathers
Numbers 20:15 How our fathers went down into Egypt, and we have dwelt in Egypt a long time; and the Egyptians vexed us, and our fathers:
...
Who are these Fathers? any special meaning?
However, a Jewish commentator has seen this differently. He refers to Genesis 48:21,22 when he believes that this decision for the half-tribe of Manasseh to remain on the other side was based on the promise by Israel to Joseph "to give one portion above thy brethren". So he sees this as Moses' decision & not a wish on Manasseh's part. Whatever the truth of the matter, the half-tribe didn't seem to object to it, as that area "was a place of cattle" ( Numbers 32:1) & so it seemed to be a wise decision for their prosperity, as was for Reuben & Gad.