Discuss Genesis 4 Page 23

Hello Julio Thank you for the additional scripture. Hebrews 11 4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gift and by it he being dead yet speaketh . If I can say it like this, it was through his faith he offered a blood sacrifice being his first fruit, the firstling of his flock and the fat thereof, Genesis 4 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering This could be another reason why it states that Cain did not do his offering well. In the end, Abel did it right and Cain did not do it well.

I believe that the offering given by cain was not given in faith as abels was. Hebrews says that abels offering pleased God because it was given with faith.

Hello Chris Simply put, seeming on how there was only Adam and Eve in the beginning then we must deduce that Eve had girl children as well. She could have been a sister or a granddaughter. We do not know how old Cain was when he slew Abel. We do not know if Abel had any children before he died. We can only deduce that Abel did not have any children because his lineage is never mentioned anywhere in the Word of God. It is not stated but this is the conclusion. Now this is not saying that everyone can go out and marry their sister or closest relatives. God is the only one who can change the blood of anyone. Even though this was allowed under this time it is not allowed now, because in many cases the dangers of certain diseases and birth defects are just to great. We can deduce that after God saw enough of the world population he then laid down the law concerning marriage and family, Leviticus Chapter 18.

Would someone please explain where Cain 's wife came from?

Part 2 of 2 I have read were some scholars saying that an offering is thought to be both grain and animal. Some scholars say a sacrifice is just animal and that it is burnt. So if we were to conclude with this, then it would be that Cain did not give his first fruits. His offering to God was not done well. If you recall the scripture, God further stated that ..and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. What happened after God made this statement? Cain sinned. He killed his brother Abel.

Part 1 of 2 Clarification Teejay, I did not mean for anyone to think that I was slapping Cain in the face for his offering. In a response I made to Dennis 10 06 2014, 10 08, I had already stated that the only time that I have read where a cereal or vegetable offering was made was with a meat offer. Is cereal a grain or no? When I wrote sacrifice I was thinking about how the animal had to sacrifice its life because Adam and Eve had sinned and now knew that they were naked.

Not only were the clean beast for offering or sacrifice but for the procreation of that species.

Also some scholars say that the number of clean beasts brought into the Ark when God said to bring 7 means 7 pairs of clean beasts. Others say that God was saying 14 pairs. I do not know how often the offerings were made to God, but I know the purpose of the clean beasts were to make an offering unto Him. So whether you believe 7 of clean beasts, or 7 pairs of clean beasts, or 14 clean beasts one of those animals if not more were to be made into an offering unto God.

Teejay one last comment in conjunction to my other responses In the end, apparently Cain either did not give his first fruit of the ground or it was not a blood sacrifice, either way he did not do it well, Genesis 4 7.

Teejay to add to my three part response that I submitted, could Cain have not asked his brother for a lamb to offer on his behalf if he truly wanted to? Not everyone in the Jewish culture were sheep herders. I am quite sure that someone had to purchase a lamb from someone to make their offering unto the Lord. Also when Abraham was told to offer up his son Isaac to God, God saw his willingness and obedience to his word, God provided a Ram in the bush as a substitute. This was still a blood sacrifice before the Law. This is why I said someone had to have taught this from the beginning of what God wanted as a sacrifice or offering.

Part 3 of 3 So if God wanted fruit or any other substance for an offering he would have had Noah also do it I would think. The bottom line is that Cain was not begotten by Satan. God did not accept his offering because he was begotten by Satan. If Cain was begotten by Satan then it would have been written. The truth is that Adam knew Eve, sexually, and begot Cain.

Part 2 of 3 The Law of sacrifice may not have been in place, but the act of offering was already established. As I stated before it does not say that God killed an animal to make Adam and Eve their clothes made of skin, but when it states coats of skin, the only other creatures besides humans that have skin is animals. Then when you further read where after they left the Ark how Noah built an altar you know that it was a blood offering that he would offer to God. Genesis 7 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female . The seventh beast of the clean beasts was to be the burnt offering at the altar that Noah built. Genesis 8 20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar . God had male and female to procreate the species the seventh one was for an offering. This took place before the Law.

Part 1 of 3 Hello Teejay Sacrifice is the act of offering the life of a person or animal, or some object in propitiation of or homage to a deity. This is what Abel and Cain did. Some scholars say because his offering was not his first fruits this is why God did not except his offering. Think about it like this, God must have told them how to make an offering. Perhaps Adam and Eve instructed them on how to make a sacrifice or an offering. However, the instructions came Cain did not offer up a proper offering unto the Lord. As you read Genesis 4 6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why are thou wroth? And why is they countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door,. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. Now what stood out to me was that God said If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? Apparently Cain did not do it correctly.

Evangelist chautana the reason why God did not accept Cain 's offering had nothing to do with it being fruits. This was an offering different from a sacrifice. The bible says to bring the first fruits of your labour to the Lord, this can be anything. Cain was a farmer he brought his produce as an offering not a sacrifice, the bible makes a point of mentioning that Abel brought 'the firstling of his lambs and the fat theirof '. As it does not say the same of Cain he most likely did not give his first produce. Furthermore God had not yet put in the law of sacrifice so it does not apply here. Paul say if it were not for the law there would not be sin. So Cain could not have sinned that way as the law was not yet set. And as I said before this was an offering not a sacrifice and if it was a sin offering the bible would have said so. The bible also talks of grain offerings and really he would be an unworthy God if he rejected what Cain worked hard for on the grounds that it wasn 't a lamb. Pretty much a slap in the face and saying you should have been a herder.

Hello Ryan, I do not know why Part 2 of 2 did not come out but here it is again. There are many scriptures that talk about the heavens. Deuteronomy 10 14 1 King 8 27 Psalms 57 5 Psalms 115 3 Psalms 115 16 The heaven, even the heavens are the LORD S but the earth hath he given to the children of men Zechariah 6 5. In Matthew 3 16. In this scripture the heavens open and the spirit of the Lord descended like a dove. The Lord stated that the heaven is his throne and the Earth is his footstool in Isaiah 66 1 St. Matthew 5 35 Acts 7 49. We know that this heaven and this earth will burn up in the end and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. 2 Peter 3 10 2 Peter 3 12 Revelation 21 1. Exactly how many heavens there are I do not know but I do believe that there is more than one Isaiah 42 5 states Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein

Hello Dennis, In addition to what I wrote, which I hope gets printed, To clarify about the honey and leaven, these two were not to be part of the sacrifice, Leviticus 2 11.

Hello Dennis, The reason why God did not accept Cain 's offering was because it was not a blood sacrifice. Throughout the history of the Bible blood sacrifice has been given. The only time a cereal or vegetable offering was made that I can recall is with a meat offering, except honey and leaven, Leviticus 2. Remember when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden an animal had to give up its life to clothe them, Genesis 3 21 "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them ". It does not say that animals were sacrificed, but knowing what was in the garden the only humans at this time were Adam and Eve then the only creatures left where the animals that had skin. Some scholars say it was because God had cursed the ground. Some scholars say because the sacrifice that Cain gave was not of the first of the crops he grew. However, along with Cain 's wicked nature, I think that because it was not a blood sacrifice then this is why God did not accept his offering. This still does not mean that Satan begot Cain. You have some people today that are wicked and do wicked things they were not begotten of Satan.

Genesis 4 5 Why did God not respect Canes Offering

Hello Ryan, Because the Bible is the Living Word of God it reveals more and more each time you read it I found a scripture that confirms that there are at least three heavens 2 Corinthians 12 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, whether in the body, I cannot tell or whether out of the body, I cannot tell God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Hello Ryan, Part 1of 2 I do not see a scripture where it states that there are three heavens. However, if you continue to read you will find that the heaven that verse one is talking about is the Heaven that we see now, because in verses 9 and 10 he gathered the waters under the heaven and then he placed the Earth there also. Then in Chapter 2 verse 1 leads you to believe that there is more than just one heaven. Instead of saying heaven and earth the scripture states that there are heavens and the earth. Naturally we see the heaven which is above us. Then there is what some people call the heaven or universe or galaxy whatever further above the heaven. Then there is a heaven in which we do not see that is where God and the angels reside.

was there only one having to heavens were three heavens in Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 King James Version.I know he began to remake the ruin creation in Genesis chapter 1 verse 2 I need help in this matter and proof scriptural text

Satan did not have a child with Eve. To say this is very incorrect. In Genesis 4 1 It clearly states that she conceived with Adam. The word beguile does not mean having sex it means "to mislead by cheating or tricking deceive ". If Satan had begotten a son with anyone I am sure the Bible would have stated "Satan begot ". Please read over under Genesis Chapter 3 my comment concerning this.

Peoples, around the world please listing to the lord words it is true, all of it.And the Lord is real and he is coming soon. Please fine a spot somewhere and repeat for your sins,and have that closer walk with Jesus. The Lord Jesus loves us all everyone listen to what the lord is saying to us . He died on the cross for our sins. And please believe in the Lord.We out their in the world doing what we shouldn 't be doing the Lord Jesus Christ see it all. repeat from our sins, and do right by the lord. remember this, if you don 't remember nothing eles. Remember that the lord Jesus Christ love us.and he wouldn 't never leave us.The devil is a lier the devil don 't wont us hes just trying to keep the lord from getting us.keep praying around the nations We all need Jesus keep praying people.Because the Lord Jeus Christ is coming soon.

Verse 2 the word AGAIN bare means continued in birth so the boys were flaternal twins and that 's why they gave their offering up to the LORD at the same time. Eve was very innocent and young I guess not to know that Cain came from the serpent satan when he beguiled her, wholly seduced, had sex with her.

If God made a woman for Adam then he could have made one for cane, Abel and Seth. Cane went to the land of nod and found a woman there. Noone can truly understand the bible. Yet it makes us more wise. Amen. Praise Jesus

The word Adam means mankind and not just one man. GOD made man in HIS image male and female which were all over the face of the earth and only Adam and Eve were placed in the garden as the examples to be used for GOD 's purpose. That 's how Cain found his wife over in another land called Nod.

Trent.. Which is the greater sin, incest with his mother or with a sister. We know they went forth and multiplied Eve certainly had additional children, Seth comes to mind, but certainly she must have had daughters as well.

In response to Word 's comment on 8 14 2014, where in Genesis does it say that God covered the Earth with people on 6th day? Weren 't just Adam and Eve created then? I do agree that it does seem strange that Cain was able to find himself a wife when Eve was the only woman who existed at that point. Perhaps the writer of this myth just didn 't think it through properly.

As we see out of all the women of the 6th day creation one of them took Cain. God covered the earth with people on the 6th day.

Gen 3 20 And the man called his wife 's name Eve because she was the mother of all living. Now was is past tense meaning she was already a mother, before Gen 4 1.