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Did you notice that Cain's sin of murder wasn't considered by God to be a capital offense? He did not execute Cain for his crime but punished him with life without rest.

In Genesis 1:28, God made them Male and female and sent them out to replenish the earth. I think this is the humnoids that science talks about being the forerunners of man. In chapter 2 he makes Adam (and breaths in to him and he become a "living soul" and places him in the garden to dress it (to go forth and replenish the earth) and he makes Eve from Adam (so she has a soul also). I think Cain married one of the descendants of the people that God first made that did not have a soul like animals don't have a soul.

Were Cain and Abel twins?

Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. A keeper of sheep only watches over the sheep but tiller of the ground has to work the ground to make the fruit grow. A keeper of sheep in the Bible represents a man who has faith in God so his offering was that of faith. Cain on the other hand was a tiller of the ground which means a man of the flesh who followed the law therefore making him a sinner. That's way his offering was rejected, it was the works of his hands and not of faith.

@Vj,
I gave the scripture. I teach, I don't bicker. God bless you in your studies.

I know it’s not common belief, but when you read the generations of Adam, in any text Cain is not mentioned as his son. Reason when Eve partook of the tree, which tree means backbone of man, she was seduced by Satan. When Adam partook he had intercourse with Eve for the first time. When GOD found them he spoke of the sin and told them I will put enmity between thy seed and hers; meaning there were two seeds. This was twins of one father Satan. When she was in labor she did bare Cain first and said, "I have gotten a man from the Lord". She did in fact continue on in labor and did bear Adam’s child Abel. The bloodline from Adam was to be the bloodline for Christ our Lord to come through. The Kenites children of Cain, The seed of Satan, have tried to corrupt the bloodline so the Lord would not be born. Of course he didn’t want this to be fulfilled. There was even an influx of fallen angels who came to impregnate the pure bloodline, which is where the giants came from. God had to kill them off, so he did cause a flood. The problem of the giants was only in that area of the world. There was a great flood but only in that area. To Noah and two of every other flesh or race it seemed to be to them that was the world. I had and have much more to say on these very important points but I feel to put any more out there would be too much at one time. I would welcome any comments or questions. Stay in the word and GOD Bless!!

@Sean,
Wrong, the 6th and 7th day were only 24 hour days (used in conjunction with morning and evening and number). The Hebrew word 'yom' when used with morning and evening always refers to a 24 hour day. Do you think the plants waited thousands of years for the animals to give them CO2 and fertilize them? Take the Word literally, no need for a guru to explain it.

Why interpret the 6th and 7th day as a thousand years each, when God used these in conjunction with 'evening and morning'? To misinterpret this is to misunderstand creation and the Sabbath. God did not give us the time of a day in heaven yet (in Genesis) for a reason. Did the plants wait around thousands of years for the animals to come around and bring CO2 and fertilize them?

If you look at Genesis 5:4, it states and the days of Adam after fathering Seth came to be 800 years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters. So after Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve had daughters, depending the age of Adam when Cain and Abel, in between the 800 hundred year when Seth was born. So Cain must have left or met one of his sister when he was sent out of the garden thus Enoch was born, this is what I understand by the word “meanwhile” before Seth was born. The early chapter stated Adam was to subdue the earth and multiply so in the early years from Adam we would have been closer to perfection so having intercourse with family met multiplying as the sin are carried in your blood. When you think how a woman was created from a man this could be normal. It could be the almighty’s way of giving his children the ability to create and sustain life. Again in Genesis 3:20, after this Adam called his wife eve because she had to become the mother of everyone living.

Cain was not Adam's son...check the genealogies. Cain was Satan's son and his children are still amongst us to this day.

Cain’s offering was rejected because it took blood to atone for sin. He had no revelation from God because he wanted his own way about how God should be worshiped. Adam and Eve did it the right way.

Cain united with his sister from Adam and Eve.

Oops! I meant to write "If a day with God is 1,000 years" as is written in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Psalms 90. So, the 6th day and the 7th day would cover 2,000 years. Sorry!

I saw a question," where did Cain get a wife?" God created mankind...all the races on the 6th day. If a day to God is 2,000 years, then there was at least 2,000 years worth of people walking the earth by the time God made Adam, which was AFTER the 7th day.

@Glen,
Sorry, the Bible doesn’t say that Cain’s wife was from Nod. It rather says that Cain dwelt in the land of Nod ( Genesis 4:16), which doesn’t necessarily means that Cain’s wife came from Nod.
Now coming to Cain’s wife, Genesis 4 is the only section of the Bible that tells the story of Cain (and Abel), though they are also mentioned in few other sections of the Bible. And one section is not enough to tell one’s whole life.
Yet the Bible says that Adam and Eve had two sons; Cain and Abel. Cain was land tiller and Abel sheep keeper. They both offered sacrifices of their fruits and God pleased only with Abel’s and was displeased with Cain’s; which caused Cain to get wroth with Abel, and ultimately slew him.
Genesis 4:
‘’11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;
12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.’’
A fugitive and vagabond shalt thou be, which means he would have no fixed settlement, he would move from place to place, he could be seen at a certain time and disappear again.
Verse 14 says ’’Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth;’’ Now, was Cain really driven from the face of the earth? The earth is figurative of man’s community. Cain lost harmony with the community.
Verse 16 says ‘’And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.’’ But could Cain really depart from the presence of the LORD ? No. this simply means Cain lost fellowship with GOD; otherwise he was still in face of the LORD.
Verse 17: ‘’And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived,..’’ Now what may be the space of time between verses 16 and 17? It certainly took many years during which Adam and Eve were having other sons and daughters and Cain was coming and going as vagabond. It is in the course of this time that he got one of his siters for wife.
Genesis 5:4 ‘’And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:’’

@Kaya,
Genesis 4 is the only section of the Bible that tells the story of Cain (and Abel), though they are also mentioned in few other sections of the Bible. And one section is not enough to tell one’s whole life.
Yet the Bible says that Adam and Eve had two sons; Cain and Abel. Cain was land tiller and Abel sheep keeper. They both offered sacrifices of their fruits and God pleased only with Abel’s and was displeased with Cain’s; which caused Cain to get wroth with Abel, and ultimately slew him.
Genesis 4:
‘’11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;
12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.’’
A fugitive and vagabond shalt thou be, which means he would have no fixed settlement, he would move from place to place, he could be seen at a certain time and disappear again.
Verse 14 says ’’Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth;’’ Now, was Cain really driven from the face of the earth? The earth is figurative of man’s community. Cain lost harmony with the community.
Verse 16 says ‘’And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.’’ But could Cain really depart from the presence of the LORD ? No. this simply means Cain lost fellowship with GOD; otherwise he was still in face of the LORD.
Verse 17: ‘’And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived,..’’ Now what may be the space of time between verses 16 and 17? It certainly took many years during which Adam and Eve were having other sons and daughters and Cain was coming and going as vagabond. It is in the course of this time that he got one of his siters for wife.
Genesis 5:4 ‘’And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:’’
No, there is no other book that tell us about the origins of men, except the Bible.
God bless you.

In verse 17, it states that Cain had a wife. Where did she come from? Are there other books that give us more information on how and when God created other men and women?

I think that it may be related to the Garden of Eden, when God made man in His image, Genesis 2:8, 3:23. Genesis 4:16 tells of Cain going to the land of Nod and starting a family, whom God had marked for other men not to slay him. Maybe that Revelation 22:15 could be talking about that. Outside the Garden. Thank you and please write back to tell me what you think. Hope I expressed myself right. JESUS IS MY LORD! David.

@Arthur,
Genesis 4 is the only section of the Bible that tells the story of Cain (and Abel), though they are also mentioned in few other sections of the Bible. And one section is not enough to tell one’s whole life.
Yet the Bible says that Adam and Eve had two sons; Cain and Abel. Cain was land tiller and Abel sheep keeper. They both offered sacrifices of their fruits and God pleased only with Abel’s and was displeased with Cain’s; which caused Cain to get wroth with Abel, and ultimately slew him.
Genesis 4:
‘’11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;
12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.’’
A fugitive and vagabond shalt thou be, which means he would have no fixed settlement, he would move from place to place, he could be seen at a certain time and disappear again.
Verse 14 says ’’Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth;’’ Now, was Cain really driven from the face of the earth? The earth is figurative of man’s community. Cain lost harmony with the community.
Verse 16 says ‘’And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.’’ But could Cain really depart from the presence of the LORD ? No. this simply means Cain lost fellowship with GOD; otherwise he was still in face of the LORD.
Verse 17: ‘’And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived,..’’ Now what may be the space of time between verses 16 and 17? It certainly took many years during which Adam and Eve were having other sons and daughters and Cain was coming and going as vagabond. It is in the course of this time that he got one of his siters for wife.
Genesis 5:4 ‘’And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:’’

@ Aggie,
1 John 3:12 states ‘’Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.’’ This simply mean Cain’s heart was basically wicked and the problem with his sacrifice was just an expression of his wicked heart.
And you and I know that God looks at the heart, and makes no exception of person ( Deuteronomy 10 :17, Acts 10 :34-35).
God bless you.

Why no explanation as to why his offering was not pleasing? It would have more sense to elaborate on why. I am not seeking man's reasoning as to why, so don't bother hypothesizing.

What I find interesting is the efforts people will go to, to avoid this passage, or to do proper research to find out where all this "subjection" started in scripture, as it says in 1 Corinthians 14:34, "Just as the Law also states". The Pentateuch, or books of the Law, is where this commandment is located. People who do not like this doctrine, however, do not want to do the work necessary to figure out where, and when, this commandment was made. They avoid doing any research at all because the very idea presented in this command, is contrary to their desires. Let’s do a little research, however, and see if we can trace this commandment down. That this "Law" was in place, from the earliest times is clear, if you look at the other references to women, and submission. ( 1 Peter 3:5-6) " 1 Peter 3:5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; 6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear." That women, and many men, do not like this verse, either, as it clarifies that submission ALWAYS results in obedience to the will of the one submitted to, the same obedience as children to their parents in a discussion that includes wives being subject to husbands, Men to the word of God/Christ, Children to parents, and slaves to masters,... as this is the same word, is also another issue: “ Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.” Again, while this is the exact same word as Sarah’s submissiveness verifies in 1 Peter, shows that the Obedience is the same, and always accompanies biblical submission, but it also shows something else, that submission was in practice PRIOR TO ABRAHAM. This does pin things down a bit. Where, prior to Abraham, did God give this command? Keep in mind that many twist, distort, alter, … the meaning of this passage to fit what they want to believe as well, but if we follow rules for interpreting meaning that are common to ALL languages, then we know that “If the EXACT same wording is used, by the same author, then the meaning is consistent, ESPECIALLY if the exact same wording is used in close proximity to the previous wording.” In other words, if we had a passage that read this: “ Genesis 4:7 "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it." And another passage that read this, ”Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.", and the wording were exactly the same, and by the same author, and the passages were within, say, 15 verses of each other, the meanings of the two verses would be the same. What is the consistent meaning in BOTH passages? Keep in mind that this EXACT SAME wording is not used anywhere else in scripture. To help, sins desire was to master, or rule over, Cain, and thus have control over him. God said that this was not to be, and that Cain was to be the Master, Rule, be in charge, … over it, and not let sin rule over him. A woman’s desire will be to rule, be in control, be in charge, … over her husband, and he is commanded by God NOT TO LET HER, but to be the master, ruler, … over her. Like I said, most people really do not want to look. Why would any woman want to give up the very things that the word of God says she will truly desire. Any man attempting to teach these things, and to hold his church, and the men in it, accountable for what God commands in this verse, will find out exactly who is in control of the households in his church. Men, keep in mind that there were 2 reasons for God’s giving Adam consequences in Genesis 3:17. The first is that Adam listened to his wife. The second was that Adam disobeyed God. Any man unwilling to obey God’s command to rule over his household, and not let his wife have control, is, in fact disobeying God at the same time. You are no different than Adam. You are habitually sinning. Ruling in love, and submission being voluntary, are, again, separate issues.

Who was Cain’s wife? The Bible only mentions Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel no other women than Eve, I would really like help with this? Thank you very much.

Did Cain honestly expect to kill someone and think he would get away with it? Well, when your in Gods presence, you get away with nothing!

God has declared Cain the worlds very first criminal.

This verse is easy; God just caught Cain in a lie.

"Where is Abel thy brother?" God asks Cain. Now, any scoffer will look at this verse and say; "If God really IS all-knowing then why is he asking Cain a question if he should already know the answer?" Well its very simple; God IS all-knowing so he will not ask a question when he knows the answer. He asked Cain that question to test his honesty! Then Cain says he doesn't know. So he just lied to God, which is a VERY BIG mistake!

How do you know Cain? “Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid…” Cain went out from the presence of the LORD. He knew his wife, and she conceived and bare Enoch. Cain built a city and called it after his son: Enoch. How do you know if you are in the city Cain built? Do you see the face of the LORD? Is his face hid from the people there? Do they want you to hide the face of the LORD if you come to work or dwell in their city? If in such a city, the seed of the Lord are not to slay Cain; but, beware, the seed of Cain may slay the righteous seed; for the seed of Cain are hid from the face of the Lord and they hate to see the Lord in the face of His seed.

I believe God told Cain in Genesis 4:7 what his end would be. If thou doest well, shall thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall he his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. I believe this is why Jesus kept on impressing on Peter asking him do you love me. When Jesus started to wash the feet of his disciples Peter told him not my feet Lord. Jesus told him if I wash not your feet you have no inheritance with Me. Peter said wash my hands, every part. The Lord told just your feet.

Dear Anonymous from 5/30/2012
Adam lived for over 900 years and had many sons and daughters. Each of his sons took a sister and had many sons and daughters; not just the Christ line thru Seth or the line of the first "seed of satan", Cain.
Now since these people lived for centuries there would be hundreds of people in only a few centuries, maybe more. GOD doesn't tell us everything just those things HE feels we need to know.
I know VLHowell covered most of this, but just to reiterate, because even GOD repeats himself knowing that we humans need to be told more than once.
And another thing GOD NEVER leaves HIS people clueless!!! NEVER! Adam and Eve were fully instructed on GOOD & EVIL. They knew good experientially and they knew evil by GOD's instructions; HE never wanted them to know evil experientially which is what happened when they sinned.

So Cain married one of his sisters and his son Enoch was the first RECORDED grandson and a son of the firstborn of Adam and Eve. Get your facts straight Cain was firstborn; Able was second-born.