I believe that the sons of God were angels and that they took wives and produced children. Jude 1:6. This is scripture that is very confusing and needs more clarity. The book of Job speaks of these sons of God as well.
#3860. Is where trditions lead to. Paradidomi, and its from #3844 and #1325 to surrender,I.e. yield up,intrust,transmit:-betray,bring forth,cast,commit,deliver [up],give[over,up],hazard,put in prison,recommend. By looking at this Paul was telling them to remember what he said that the anti-christ, or instead of christ is coming first and even though satan is going to be buying the world what they want and the whole world and all the religions will be whoring after the devil acting like Jesus calling himself God but is not! Anyway, them that wait for the true Christ will be deliverd up to the churches of satan. We have a 2 and a half period of time where satan will be on earth, 30 minutes of the hour of temptation. 10 kings in the flesh kings, politicians are going to try to be putting a one world system together but one of them is going to pull out and it looks like it won't be done,its called a deadly wound but then anti-christ shows up and fixes it and the one world system begins. The devils evil spirit controlls the one world system start out, controlling the 10 flesh and he replaces them with 10 supernatual kings. It`s gona be just like Noah`s time the sons of God in Genesis 6:2 fallin angels who left there first estate,left heaven and came to earth and found woman as play things,took wives and had giant childern. This flood of Noah`s was a flood of water targeting the first influx of that bad mix. The next flood is a flood of lies. Another 5 months coming but Jesus foretold us all things. Have a nice day.
Once again I must assert that this verse is not referring to fallen angels. Take a look at the Book of Enoch as compared to the rest of the Holy Scriptures. The Holy Scriptures often repeat themselves, however the Book of Enoch mentions things that no other book even bothered to mention. It also uses words such as "Ages" and the "elect". When I read things like that, about the "lord of the ages" or how the "elect" will be blessed...well, let's just say that those words scream the illuminati.
It is written: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24 KJV. Yet, the Book of Enoch says this "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed."
Open your mind for a minute and try to think why this book hasn't been accepted into the Canon. It's just like the rest of the Apocrypha - Vastly different from any other Canonical book.
The Book of Enoch also makes references to several angels. Here are some angels of note: Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel. However, Michael and Gabriel are the only angels mentioned in Canonical text. Uriel and Raphael, however, are mentioned in the Apocrypha. Putting the Apocrypha aside, how can we be led to believe that Uriel and Raphael, if they were real angels, weren't even important enough to mention in the rest of the scriptures if they play such a huge role in this supposedly important book? And, remember that Michael is actually Jesus Christ, for the name Michael actually means "He who is like GOD", therefore the only angel mentioned by name in the Canonical texts is Gabriel.
Also, you keep bringing up the existence of giants. I never argued against their existence. The Bible clearly states that they existed.
The Bible also assert's that Enoch existed. I never said he didn't. I also never said he wasn't a prophet. But you can't take the ONE cross reference between The Book of Enoch and The Book of Jude and just jump to the conclusion that The Book of Enoch is a Holy Book and that the early church rejected it because they were either misinformed or they were trying to hide something from the people.
You also make mention of Jude 1:6. How can one assume that Jude 1:6 is talking about the "fallen angels" from the Book of Enoch? Did you not forget that one-third of the angels in Heaven fell with Lucifer after they tried to stage a coup against the throne of GOD? I would assert that THESE are the angels that Jude is referencing here. It mentions this in Revelation 12:4 - "And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.”
You also mentioned this: "all cultures have a version of the "gods came from the sky and gave us knowledge" stories. the aztecs, the egyptians, the mayans, native americans, the dogon..."
Why should that make a difference? All of those civilization believed in pagan forms of worship, not Judaism or Christianity. What they believed has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion at all, nor does it have anything to do with the Bible.
"as for the book of enoch being a lost book. in ethiopia it was never lost. they have had it since forever. so the book was NEVER lost."
The Book of Enoch was considered to be a lost book for over 2000 years until 1773, when James Bruce returned from Ethiopia with three copies of it. Could it have existed for those 2000 years? Maybe. Did the church know about it or have it in their possession? No. Therefore it was lost to GOD's people.
Enoch was a prophet, but he didn't write this book. It's nothing but a farce - something to take your mind away from the truth, from the way things truly are, the things that truly exist, and, most importantly, GOD.
the sons of God ARE fallen angels, who breeded with human women, and the offspring was giants. there is no other way to interpret this. nowhere does it say that seth's offspring and cain's offspring were forbidden to marry. angels can take any form they choose, especially human form. didn't Lot originally believe the angels were simply travelers? didn't Jacob wrestle an angel? so although they are supernatural beings, they CAN take physical form. the original giants were up to "3000 ells" tall. we don't know exactly how big that is but I would guess 100 ft tall. by the time giants like Goliath were around the potency of the bloodline had abated, resulting in smaller giants. I would guess that Goliath was 9-12 ft tall. Og, king of Bashan was 16 ft tall. So it seems that giants could be many different sizes. There are verses which state that some giants had 6 fingers and 6 toes. there have been many dead or fossils of giants found that have 6 fingers, 6 toes and sometimes double rows of teeth.
there has been much debate about the authenticity of the book of Enoch. One author i've read, L.A. Marzulli, said that the early church accepted the book of enoch and it wasn't until later that it was rejected. it is written in the first person but the one difference between enoch and any other prophet with a book is that enoch never died. so if he indeed wrote a book, wouldn't it be different? there are also numerous refernces to enoch in the Bible. there are also references in the Bible to the invasion of fallen angels. Jude 1:6 "6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day". paul instructs a woman to cover her head I Corinthians 11:10, "because of the angels". the UFO phenomenon today is similar to when fallen angels came down before. the Flood was to destroy all life, the evil of man and the contamination of the earth by the giants.
all cultures have a version of the "gods came from the sky and gave us knowledge" stories. the aztecs, the egyptians, the mayans, native americans, the dogon, ...the list goes on and on. the fallen angels/sons of God point of view is completely consistent with the Bible. as for the book of enoch being a lost book. in ethiopia it was never lost. they have had it since forever. so the book was NEVER lost.
That is an excellent question. However, I never said that Enoch wasn't a prophet. As we know from Bible studies, not ever prophet had a book that went into the Bible, however. What I am saying is that someone could have very easily written the book of Enoch, claimed that Enoch wrote it, and put in that one cross reference that you mentioned to try to make it tie in with the Holy Scriptures. Obviously, any person that was serious about duping people with a "lost book of the Bible" would be a learned person, one who has studied the scriptures and knows them well, probably better than you and I.
Once again, I would wish to stress that if the book of Enoch is, in fact, legitimate, than it would have been in the Canon. You can rest assured in the fact that the LORD would not allow such an important book to go unseen and unread for so many years if it did, in fact, speak truth.
I had one question if the Book of Enoch is not true then where did Jude get the quote from Enoch.
Jude 1 : 14 - 15 (I get this verse from this site)
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Enoch 2:1 (From Book of Enoch)
1Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
The only problem with a book like that is that any Joe Schmo can find it (or even make it up) and claim it as a "lost book of the Bible". The Apocrypha, for instance, has very questionable validity, as it often contradicts other scriptures.
And you also have this:
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:18
and this:
“And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one pronunciation mark of the law to fail.” Luke 16:17
and this:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
What am I getting at? What I'm getting at is this: The word has been around since the beginning, since the word is GOD. It shall not pass away until all is fulfilled. That means that there wouldn't be a section of time where the word was "lost" and not known to exist. It would be silly for GOD to have a system exist for thousands of years to only throw at "oh, by the way" at us like John Carpenter throws plot twists. Sure, you could say that even if no one knew about the word of GOD, the word would still exist. However, I say this: If no one knew about the law of stopping at a red light, would anyone obey it? Would it be enforced? The answer is no. It would be as if the law never existed. If someone were to find this law again, it would be remembered, and exist again. However, GOD's law never passes away, so there can't be any "lost" books. The word has been around forever. Read your King James Bibles, be satisfied with them. Everything you need to know is in there. If you can't find the answer to something, pray about it. All things will become known to us in time.
You have misunderstood what I have said. The sons of Seth, which were the Sons of GOD, mingled with the daughters of man. They are of Cain's bloodline. THEY are the fallen ones, the nephilim.
A giant is a type of a "fallen one". In the Hebrew it's nephilim, meaning "fallen one". The root in Hebrew is napahl, meaning "he fell" in dictionary format. So ani naphalti ba cailef would mean I fell on a dog. It's the same root word as in Isiah 14: 12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! Were these sons of Cain, I don't think so. David and Joshua did not vanquish a bunch of humans with diseased Gigantism. Wake up, it's happening today. Why do you think when people call on the name of the Lord during a demonic alien abduction???
No, demons and people did not have sex. Demons are fallen angels, and angels do not have a gender. The "Sons of God" mentioned here are descendent's of Seth. They are called Sons of God because they followed God, whereas the daughters of man, coming from Cain's bloodline, did not. Because Seth's descendent's started marrying Cain's, they started adopting the pagan religions of Cain's descendent's, and the earth was filled with evil. Why were there giants? The Bible doesn't explain, but I believe that it very well could have been some sort of a deformity that happened due to the intermingling of Seth's bloodline and Cain's. Sin is the cause of all deformities and disease, so this very well could be the case.
I don"t understand fully how men became giants' i thought i heard it preached that demons and people had sex? is this right? yes we are living in the end times,i believe it is worse now than in Noah"s time, THE LORD IS COMING BACK VERY SOON SOONER THAN EVERYBODY THINKS
Looking at what is happening around us now, all the evil things that exits in this world. I ask the question, is God not anger now? Wake up world. God gave us another chance in life through his beloved and only Son Jesus Christ. I'm not prefect, but I try to get closer with the Lord. I pray for strenght as I go believing that God is and will always be with me as my spiritual guide.
Once again I must assert that this verse is not referring to fallen angels. Take a look at the Book of Enoch as compared to the rest of the Holy Scriptures. The Holy Scriptures often repeat themselves, however the Book of Enoch mentions things that no other book even bothered to mention. It also uses words such as "Ages" and the "elect". When I read things like that, about the "lord of the ages" or how the "elect" will be blessed...well, let's just say that those words scream the illuminati.
It is written: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24 KJV. Yet, the Book of Enoch says this "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed."
Open your mind for a minute and try to think why this book hasn't been accepted into the Canon. It's just like the rest of the Apocrypha - Vastly different from any other Canonical book.
The Book of Enoch also makes references to several angels. Here are some angels of note: Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel. However, Michael and Gabriel are the only angels mentioned in Canonical text. Uriel and Raphael, however, are mentioned in the Apocrypha. Putting the Apocrypha aside, how can we be led to believe that Uriel and Raphael, if they were real angels, weren't even important enough to mention in the rest of the scriptures if they play such a huge role in this supposedly important book? And, remember that Michael is actually Jesus Christ, for the name Michael actually means "He who is like GOD", therefore the only angel mentioned by name in the Canonical texts is Gabriel.
Also, you keep bringing up the existence of giants. I never argued against their existence. The Bible clearly states that they existed.
The Bible also assert's that Enoch existed. I never said he didn't. I also never said he wasn't a prophet. But you can't take the ONE cross reference between The Book of Enoch and The Book of Jude and just jump to the conclusion that The Book of Enoch is a Holy Book and that the early church rejected it because they were either misinformed or they were trying to hide something from the people.
You also make mention of Jude 1:6. How can one assume that Jude 1:6 is talking about the "fallen angels" from the Book of Enoch? Did you not forget that one-third of the angels in Heaven fell with Lucifer after they tried to stage a coup against the throne of GOD? I would assert that THESE are the angels that Jude is referencing here. It mentions this in Revelation 12:4 - "And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.”
You also mentioned this: "all cultures have a version of the "gods came from the sky and gave us knowledge" stories. the aztecs, the egyptians, the mayans, native americans, the dogon..."
Why should that make a difference? All of those civilization believed in pagan forms of worship, not Judaism or Christianity. What they believed has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion at all, nor does it have anything to do with the Bible.
"as for the book of enoch being a lost book. in ethiopia it was never lost. they have had it since forever. so the book was NEVER lost."
The Book of Enoch was considered to be a lost book for over 2000 years until 1773, when James Bruce returned from Ethiopia with three copies of it. Could it have existed for those 2000 years? Maybe. Did the church know about it or have it in their possession? No. Therefore it was lost to GOD's people.
Enoch was a prophet, but he didn't write this book. It's nothing but a farce - something to take your mind away from the truth, from the way things truly are, the things that truly exist, and, most importantly, GOD.
there has been much debate about the authenticity of the book of Enoch. One author i've read, L.A. Marzulli, said that the early church accepted the book of enoch and it wasn't until later that it was rejected. it is written in the first person but the one difference between enoch and any other prophet with a book is that enoch never died. so if he indeed wrote a book, wouldn't it be different? there are also numerous refernces to enoch in the Bible. there are also references in the Bible to the invasion of fallen angels. Jude 1:6 "6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day". paul instructs a woman to cover her head I Corinthians 11:10, "because of the angels". the UFO phenomenon today is similar to when fallen angels came down before. the Flood was to destroy all life, the evil of man and the contamination of the earth by the giants.
all cultures have a version of the "gods came from the sky and gave us knowledge" stories. the aztecs, the egyptians, the mayans, native americans, the dogon, ...the list goes on and on. the fallen angels/sons of God point of view is completely consistent with the Bible. as for the book of enoch being a lost book. in ethiopia it was never lost. they have had it since forever. so the book was NEVER lost.
ahh thanks a lot for this enlightenment.
That is an excellent question. However, I never said that Enoch wasn't a prophet. As we know from Bible studies, not ever prophet had a book that went into the Bible, however. What I am saying is that someone could have very easily written the book of Enoch, claimed that Enoch wrote it, and put in that one cross reference that you mentioned to try to make it tie in with the Holy Scriptures. Obviously, any person that was serious about duping people with a "lost book of the Bible" would be a learned person, one who has studied the scriptures and knows them well, probably better than you and I.
Once again, I would wish to stress that if the book of Enoch is, in fact, legitimate, than it would have been in the Canon. You can rest assured in the fact that the LORD would not allow such an important book to go unseen and unread for so many years if it did, in fact, speak truth.
GOD Bless.
I had one question if the Book of Enoch is not true then where did Jude get the quote from Enoch.
Jude 1 : 14 - 15 (I get this verse from this site)
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Enoch 2:1 (From Book of Enoch)
1Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
regards,
umecks
The only problem with a book like that is that any Joe Schmo can find it (or even make it up) and claim it as a "lost book of the Bible". The Apocrypha, for instance, has very questionable validity, as it often contradicts other scriptures.
And you also have this:
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:18
and this:
“And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one pronunciation mark of the law to fail.” Luke 16:17
and this:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
What am I getting at? What I'm getting at is this: The word has been around since the beginning, since the word is GOD. It shall not pass away until all is fulfilled. That means that there wouldn't be a section of time where the word was "lost" and not known to exist. It would be silly for GOD to have a system exist for thousands of years to only throw at "oh, by the way" at us like John Carpenter throws plot twists. Sure, you could say that even if no one knew about the word of GOD, the word would still exist. However, I say this: If no one knew about the law of stopping at a red light, would anyone obey it? Would it be enforced? The answer is no. It would be as if the law never existed. If someone were to find this law again, it would be remembered, and exist again. However, GOD's law never passes away, so there can't be any "lost" books. The word has been around forever. Read your King James Bibles, be satisfied with them. Everything you need to know is in there. If you can't find the answer to something, pray about it. All things will become known to us in time.
GOD Bless.
the book of enoc tells a clear story behind these giants.
You have misunderstood what I have said. The sons of Seth, which were the Sons of GOD, mingled with the daughters of man. They are of Cain's bloodline. THEY are the fallen ones, the nephilim.
No, demons and people did not have sex. Demons are fallen angels, and angels do not have a gender. The "Sons of God" mentioned here are descendent's of Seth. They are called Sons of God because they followed God, whereas the daughters of man, coming from Cain's bloodline, did not. Because Seth's descendent's started marrying Cain's, they started adopting the pagan religions of Cain's descendent's, and the earth was filled with evil. Why were there giants? The Bible doesn't explain, but I believe that it very well could have been some sort of a deformity that happened due to the intermingling of Seth's bloodline and Cain's. Sin is the cause of all deformities and disease, so this very well could be the case.