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  • Doug - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    I agree that the sons of God are those that were following God were enticed by the looks of carnal women.
  • Kay - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    This is an interesting thread, and a topic much discussed in Christendom today!

    I agree with you, Marke. I don't believe the 'sons of God' are angels. Not one of the old time preachers/commentators I've read believed so either.

    I believe the godly line of Seth began to degenerate and instead of taking godly women to themselves for the sake of maintaining a holy race, they looked upon the fair daughters of men and began to mix, believers and unbelievers....much like today's ecumenism.

    Once there was no holy race left that was totally devoted to the One true God...destruction ensued!

    The sad thing about history is that we don't learn from history, Marke! What has been is again...and the crazy thing is, people do the same things as those 'back then' did who apostasized, and are deluded into thinking they will come out of it all without ending up with the same tragic results as they did in the past! Lord, help us!

    Blessings!
  • Marke on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 6

    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. ...

    Some people assume the sons of God in this passage refer to angels. I don't. The term "sons of God" is clearly used in the Bible to refer to angels as well as to human believers. I do not believe the passage in Gen 6 refers to godly angels having sex with human women resulting in wicked angel/human offspring. I believe a better interpretation would be that believing men had sex with unbelieving women and their offspring ended up becoming unbelievers of renown.

    If not, I find it problematic to say the offspring of angels were born with the sin of Adam, knowing that sin is not passed through the mother but through the father, to the offspring, else Jesus would have inherited Adam's sin from his mother.

    Hosea 1:10

    Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

    John 1:12

    But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I believe it was to clearly point out the fulfillment of Prophecy. Please see:

    Son of David prophecy : 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, 2Chronicles 7:18, Psalms 132:11,

    The coming promise of deliverance : Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 33:15, proclaimed: Matthew 22:24,43,44,45, Matthew 1:1,

    Luke 18:38, some identified JESUS as by different names for significance to themselves, healer, deliverer

    Son of GOD : Genesis 6:2,4, Daniel 3:25, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, Romans 8:14, Matthew 11:27,

    Son of Man : prophecy : Daniel 7:13-14, Revelation 1, Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 30:1-4, Job 25:4-6, Job 35:8-16, Matthew 24:30, proclaimed : Mark 14:21, John 12, Matthew 11:19,

    Additionally he was called the BRANCH : Job 14:7, Psalms 80:15, Isaiah 11:1, Isaiah 14:19, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, proclamed: John 15,

    Also "shall be called Nazarene " Matthew 2:23,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dylan,

    God was never created. He is self-existent and eternal, never having a beginning. He needs nothing outside of Himself to exist or have life.

    This is hard for our finite, creaturely minds to truly understand. Nothing caused God to Be. He is I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE.
  • Philip - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Isaiah 45:9

    "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"
  • Philip - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Isaiah 45:9

    "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"
  • Dylan Nobles on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    what happened before God? If all things are created then who created him?
  • Daniel - In Reply on Isaiah 55 - 2 years ago
    Interesting discussion indeed my brother. I would add the following.

    During the flood of Noah, that more than likely, there were babies and children who died during this event. The thought of this happening breaks my heart as a dad and grandpa. There is no mention of Satan being granted permission to create this flood.

    Genesis 6:17 is very clear.

    "And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

    The creator must have processed the thoughts of what would happen to the little ones, and how scared they must have been. And then look into the future and see in the same word the following.

    Psalms 127: 3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. 4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. 5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

    So, the question still remains.

    Does the creator have evil thoughts?

    I don't expect any of mankind to know this answer, for only the creator knows.

    Peace be with you brother.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on John 19 - 2 years ago
    I'd like to add scripture to the discussion.

    Genesis 9:5, 1Kings 13:9-32, 1Samuel 6, note 1Samuel 6:7,10,12, Numbers 22:12-35, Daniel 6, Matthew 10:28-31, Luke 12:6-7, context Luke 12, Isaiah 11, Isaiah 11:6-10, Genesis 6:18-20, Genesis 7:1-9,23, Genesis 8, Psalms 145:8,9,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Hagar - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 6:4 reads as follows: The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 4:1, Genesis 4:16,23,24,

    Genesis 4:25,26, Genesis 5:1-3, Genesis 5, Genesis 6:1-13, Genesis 7, & 8, Genesis 9:8-9, Hebrews 11:1-7, 1John 3:12,

    Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:45, Deuteronomy 32:8, Matthew 3:21-38, Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:22,45,

    Jude 1,
  • God the Father Cannot Look Upon Sin - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said

    Not to Noah, as in ( Genesis 6:13 ) for, as yet, he is not taken notice of, or any discourse addressed to him; but rather to or within himself, he said what follows, or thus concluded, and resolved on in his own mind: my Spirit shall not always strive with man;

    meaning either the soul of man, called the Spirit of God, ( Job 27:3 ) because of his creation, and is what he breathes and puts into men, and therefore is styled the Father of spirits; and which is in man, as some in Aben Ezra observe to be the sense the word used, as a sword in the scabbard; and so the meaning is, it shall not always abide there, but be unsheathed and drawn out; man shall not live always, since he is corrupt, and given to carnal lusts: or else, as Jarchi thinks, God himself is meant, and that the sense is, my Spirit shall not always contend within myself; or there shall not always be contention within me concerning man, whether I shall destroy him, or have mercy on him; I am at a point to punish him, since he is wholly carnal: or rather this is to be understood of the Holy Spirit of God: ( 1 Peter 3:18-20) and to be thus interpreted; that the Spirit of God, which had been litigating and reasoning the point, as men do in a court of judicature, as the word signifies, with these men in the court, and at the bar of their own consciences, by one providence or by one minister or another, particularly by Noah, a preacher of righteousness, in vain, and to no purpose; therefore, God determines to proceed no longer in this way, but pass and execute the sentence of condemnation on them: for that he also is flesh;

    not only carnal and corrupt, but sadly corrupted, and wholly given up to and immersed in sensual lusts and carnal pleasures, so as not to be restrained nor reformed; even the posterity of Seth, professors of religion also, as well as the profane world and posterity of Cain.

    JESUS CAME TO REDEEM US WITH HIS BLOOD.
  • God Cannot Look Upon Sin - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 6:3

    And the Lord said

    Not to Noah, as in ( Genesis 6:13 ) for, as yet, he is not taken notice of, or any discourse addressed to him; but rather to or within himself, he said what follows, or thus concluded, and resolved on in his own mind: my Spirit shall not always strive with man;

    meaning either the soul of man, called the Spirit of God, ( Job 27:3 ) because of his creation, and is what God breathes and puts into men, and therefore is styled the Father of spirits; and which is in man, as some in Aben Ezra observe to be the sense the word used, as a sword in the scabbard; and so the meaning is, it shall not always abide there, but be unsheathed and drawn out; man shall not live always, since he is corrupt, and given to carnal lusts: or else, as Jarchi thinks, God himself is meant, and that the sense is,

    my Spirit shall not always contend within myself; or there shall not always be contention within me concerning man, whether I shall destroy him, or have mercy on him; I am at a point to punish him, since he is wholly carnal: or rather this is to be understood of the Holy Spirit of God, as the Targum of Jonathan, which agrees with ( 1 Peter 3:18-20 ) and to be thus interpreted; that the Spirit of God, which had been litigating and reasoning the point, as men do in a court of judicature, as the word signifies, with these men in the court, and at the bar of their own consciences, by one providence or by one minister or another, particularly by Noah, a preacher of righteousness, in vain, and to no purpose; therefore, he determines to proceed no longer in this way, but pass and execute the sentence of condemnation on them: for that he also is flesh;

    not only carnal and corrupt, but sadly corrupted, and wholly given up to and immersed in sensual lusts and carnal pleasures, so as not to be restrained nor reformed; even the posterity of Seth, professors of religion also, as well as the profane world and posterity of Cain.

    Jesus came to redeem us from sin
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 1:26-28, "them" "be fruitful & multiply" Genesis 1:31,

    Note Genesis 3:24 "drove out the man" singular, Genesis 3:23, "from the Garden of Eden" Genesis 3:22, "the man" is become like one of us, to know good & evil" is this religion?

    * Note, Genesis 4:14 ._._." everyone thst findeth me shall slay._." proof more people in earth. Genesis 4:15,

    * Genesis 4:16, appears she was from Nod.

    Likewise in Genesis 4:23, the man that was slain wasn't mentioned here.

    If you read & study the WORD of GOD, many times you will notice names & several other details are left out at times. 1Kings 17:9-24, same Widow? = Luke 4:26, Luke 7:12, Luke 21:2-3, yet many names are mentioned, when studying often times their names come up again, helping understand a more vast picture. Genesis 6:1-2, is this also in reference to Genesis 4:19, ?

    Note Genesis 5, generation of Adam leaves out Cain, Abel & all other people. Again: Genesis 5:1-2, Gen 5:3, "male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day they were created" = them, their, they.

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I've heard it explained it was a perversion thing. Note they were adults, Genesis 6:18, Genesis 7:7,13, Genesis 8:16,18,

    Genesis 9:22, honestly ask yourself would you go tell others? Or cover? Who showed their father honor? Genesis 9:23

    Noah, "knew what his younger son had done to him." Genesis 9:24, it wasn't that he just saw.

    There's additional information, to help readers understand, Genesis 9:18, Genesis 9:22, Genesis 9:25, Genesis 10:15, note Canaan, 1st recorded rape of a girl Genesis 33:18, Genesis 34:1-2, & Sodom & Gomorrah, Genesis 10:19, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 18:20, Genesis 18, Gen. 19,

    Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:49, Jude 1:7, it appears to point to a root of evil started with that person.

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • RichFairhurst on Hebrews 11 - 2 years ago
    (Originally posted under wrong verse, should be Hebrews 11:5-7)

    Enoch

    Genesis 5:21-22

    Hebrews 11:5-6

    Jude 1:14-15

    Noah

    Genesis 6:1 through Genesis 9:29

    Matthew 24:37-39

    Luke 17:26-30

    Hebrews 11:7

    1 Peter 3:19-20

    2 Peter 2:5

    2 Peter 3:3-7

    Whether or not a person acknowledges it, Enoch and Noah are fathers to every man, woman and child living today. However, without saving faith they will only be fathers according to the flesh to our generation. That genetic relationship will be undeniably proven before God, but it will not only profit us nothing, it will actually make anyone in our generation more guilty than the people in theirs if they mock or ignore the testimony concerning them in these last days without repenting and believing in Jesus Christ as they did. We need to carefully consider and draw both encouragement and warning from their examples of faith if we want to share any of the benefits of the heritage they have left us.

    Jesus Christ is the one who will catch us up to be with Him, like He did Enoch, if we are confirmed by the Holy Spirit to be those who please Him and His Father. He is also the unexpected Bridegroom who will close the wedding feast door that lets in the prepared wise virgins but shuts out the unprepared foolish virgins where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, like He closed the door of the Ark that Noah prepared behind him and his household, shutting out those who were unprepared outside.

    Although no one should count on it, if in His grace the Father continues to patiently wait beyond our short lives to send Christ with His holy angels for the final harvest, we still must hold to the fear of the LORD we see in these two ancestors of ours and uphold their testimony so that we may be partakers with them in the pleasure the Father has in their faith and the faith of all those mentioned in this chapter of Hebrews. That is one of the ways we will be able to add our own testimony of faith to theirs.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    John 21:25, if Jesus CHRIST's acts could not be contained & HIS ministry was about 3 yrs. Then how could we expect on earth all the information about the days before the flood? Yet GOD in HIS infinite wisdom gives us more than enough.

    I believe these are the scriptures, you're looking for: John 1:12,

    Genesis 4:26, Genesis 5:22-24, Genesis 6:1-7,

    Revelation 22:18,19, Deuteronomy 4:2,
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Hello Donald.

    As Rev 4:10-11 states, God created all thins for His pleasure. Elsewhere in Scripture it says that God created everything for His Glory (can't find the verse right now). In another place it says that God created the earth to be inhabited.

    So here we have in Scripture these purpose for creation. He did not need to create because He is complete withing Himself in need of nothing outside of Himself. But He did choose to create everything other than Himself because it pleases Him to see His glory displayed in all of creation and in His plan for the beings He created. God was benevolent in creating the universe and all living things, not out of pride or conceit. He desired to share Himself with beings He created, not because He needed these relationships, but because He wanted to have others outside of the Godhead benefit from His love and goodness. And in doing so, He glorifies Himself in creation as He exercises His attributes to their fullest.

    I often think about what it means that He created for His glory. This is not well-defined in Scripture. I guess if He wanted us to know in full His reason for creating all things, He would have elaborated more in Scripture. Maybe we will understand this more in eternity. We are limited creatures. He is infinite Creator. So we cannot expect to comprehend all of Who He is and His purposes. But knowing that He and His purposes are absolutely good helps us to trust His actions.

    Hope this helps.
  • RichFairhurst - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Rev 4:10-11 states:

    10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    This is confirmed by God saying at the end of the first 5 days that God saw that it was good. At the end of the 6th day when He created the beasts and especially man in His likeness He said it was very good. The 7th day He rested from all that He created and blessed it. He was satisfied and pleased with creation and put his blessing over all of it.

    The fall has brought the curse and dissatisfaction and wrath as the serpent intended, not God. If Satan can no longer have the pleasure of God and the blessings God spoke over His creation, he has made it his sole purpose with everything in his power to make sure no one else can have it.

    God put enmity between two seeds in the curse of the serpent, the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. This was prophetically spoken to make a separation between them in God's new creation, like when he spoke light into existence and separated light and darkness on the first day of the old creation. Cain couldn't stand Able being blessed for offering a blood sacrifice when he wasn't for his earthly offerings. Cain killed Able, which demonstrated Cain was born of the seed of the serpent with his focus on earthly things and hatred of anyone being blessed when he wasn't. Able was of the seed of the woman by faith offerng a sacrifice in the likeness of the one who's resurrection is the beginning of the new creation, Jesus Christ.

    We can overcome the fall, curse, dissatisfaction and wrath God intends for the devil and return to the rest where God is satisfied and pleased with us. But the only way to do that now is to become His new creations in Christ and let the old creation pass away
  • Mishael - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Because God is Love. He wanted us on earth to be loved and give love back to God (because we want to). Also, to give love and be loved by our fellowman.

    God gave us freewill so it could be our desire to worship and love God. Facts are, Satan was in the garden too, and planted seeds of doubt in the first couple.

    Our lives become a lot simpler when we live our lives within the love of God and leadership through Jesus.

    Someday we can live in that place that is not corrupted by Satan's jealousy and his purpose of hurting the objects of Gods love.
  • Samuel.KJBB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    - "Were the sons of god mentioned in the old testament the ones who went in unto the daughters of men and bred the giants (Nephelim)?"

    Yes, see Genesis 6. It is plainly stated in v4. This is why God decides to destroy all flesh except Noah who is perfect (whole) in his gene-rations (DNA?). Also see Genesis 3:15 and notice there will be a serpent's seed and the woman's seed.

    - "Now I know that angels cannot breed, so that rules them out."

    The Bible says that the angels in HEAVEN are not given in MARRIAGE ( Matthew 22:30 & Mark 12:25). It does not say the angels do not have the ability to rebel (we know they do) and leave heaven to procreate with women on earth. Jude 4 references God punishing angels harshly who left their first estate (heaven) and own habitation. Why? Well, cross reference Genesis 6: they cohabitated or married and bore children with women against God's will. Remember the two seeds in Genesis 3?

    - "The men who first began to call upon the name of the lord were called the sons of god. So could you clarify for me?"

    Actually, this is a myth about the line of Seth. Genesis 4:25 mentions Seth having a son named Enos and then after that men began to call upon the name of the LORD. The Bible does not call them sons of God. Mankind lost that sonship when Adam sinned. It is only restored after the cross when one receives the Lord Jesus Christ ( John 1:12).

    - So who does the Bible refer to as sons of God?:

    "sons of God"

    Referenced 5 times in the OT & is always a reference to heavenly beings directly created by God.

    Referenced 6 times in the NT for the saved who are born of God.

    "son of God" in Luke 3:38 is reference to Adam when he was created directly by God.

    "Son of God" is references 46 times. 45 times in the NT for the Lord Jesus and once in the OT ( Daniel 3:25) is a reference to the Lord pre-incarnate.
  • Free - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Dear friend Genesis 1:1

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

    10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

    11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

    12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    personally I think He would be in a light, or see the light.
  • Donald Layton Poplin on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    why did GOD make heaven and earth
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Florence,

    Prior to the flood, people live nearly 900 years. After the flood, only Noah (and maybe his wife) lived that long. His children (and daughter in-laws) lived around 600, After these people who were born prior to the flood, the average lifespan of people began to fall with each generation. By Abraham's time (10 generations or so later) the lifespan had fallen to about 150 years or so.

    I believe that God had his reasons for the long life spans and for shortening them after the flood. But we do not know the environmental or genetic factors that led to these long life spans prior to the flood.
  • Florence on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    I have always wanted to know,did these people in the Bible live several hundreds of years of age?
  • T Levis - In Reply on 2 Timothy 4 - 2 years ago
    As opposed to what? Destroying the evil? Genesis 6:5-6,11,12, He did that in Noah's day: Genesis 6:7-9, Genesis chapters 6-9,

    Genesis 8:21-22, Gen. 9:9-17, therefore HE made a covenant of mercy. Yet HE also makes promises of giving an "account"

    Genesis 9:5-6, Psalms 37, Isaiah 61:3, Romans 12:9, Hebrews 10:30, Jude 1:7,

    It's like this Genesis: GOD gave dominion to man over the Earth, including sea. Gen. 1:28, It's a ' stewardship ' that all men will give an account for. Matthew 25:31-46, yet the Earth still belongs to GOD : 1Corinthains 10:26,

    GOD gave Moses a set of "Best Laws" That if people obeyed, would cut down on suffering. Instead many have rebelliously rejected, mocked & ignored & refusal to enforce. Whose then to blame for suffering in consequence? Proverbs 3:27,

    I think it amazing that GOD intervenes on our behalf so many times. Exodus 3:9, Psalms 12:5,

    & ultimately gave us Salvation John 3:16-18, Ecclesiastes 5:8,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    SONS OF GOD.

    This is a term used as a direct creation of God.

    There is only 3 in scripture that was created that bares this title

    1) Angels.

    Genesis 6:2.

    Job 1:6.

    2) Adam.

    Luke 3:38.

    We're not a "direct" creation. We're sons of Adam until Born again.

    3) Those in Christ.

    John 1:12.

    We are a NEW creation in Christ.

    That's why it's called a new birth. "Born again" properly translated, "Born from above."

    With Adam being the first Man/Adam created, And then sinned, sin passed on to ALL Men, "Only if ALL Men came after Adam. The ONLY way redemption is available to ALL.

    Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12.

    To redeem, is to buy back!

    When the Law came everyone in Adam spiritually died.

    I believe physical death came by Adams transgression, spiritual death came by the giving of the law.

    But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Romans 5:15.

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

    And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:45-49.

    If there were people created before Adam how can they be bought back when Adam transgression has no effect on them being they were never "In" Adam.

    Note: Acts 17:26.

    Genesis 5:1-2. connects Genesis 1:26-28.

    and Genesis 2:7. and also cover the use of the name Adam used for both Adam and Eve.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Noah was saved from God's wrath along with his immediate family. This therefore is as prototype of the rapture; with all righteous removed before judgment. There were the physical descendants who were not tainted; as Noah was said to be "perfect" in his ways. Clearly we are all of Adam's sin nature; so this would have to refer the the fallen angels and their offspring (Nephilim) who corrupted the seed of ALL men outside the ark. Christ came ONLY for the sons of men; not angels or corrupted offspring. Thus; Satan's plan to thwart Christ's lineage and therefore stop the plan of redemption from coming to fruition was demonstrated here. We of course; according to Romans are saved from the "wrath to come". We are to take refuge as His sheep in Him; who guides us as Psalm 23 states to pastures where we can safely graze as J.S. Bach stated. We also shall stand in the "presence of His enemies". Those outside the ark are similar to those in Isaiah 66 who are seen and abhorred by God's people. Being saved from ourselves surely is the greatest gift as well. It should also be kept in mind that obeying the Lord in the means of being saved and His instructions is imperetive as compared with attempting to justify ourselves by doing our own thing to earn God's favor.

    There was a calling out as well with a similar small group with Lot and his immediate family. We do well to note Lot's wife and all her privleges meaning nothing as her heart was still in this world as she "looked back" and was destroyed. The final state of the world at the end of the Millennium is similar as the world as the "sands of the sea" in their size will for the final time be led astray by Satan. Again; all the utopian visions or means of escape are useless delusions apart from God's saving grace as our only solution. We need to remember Peter as well; who was saved after exclaiming "Lord save me" when walking on water. Christ is our only solace in this dying world to be judged by fire.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Cecil, please read Psalm 37,

    I knew a guy named Cecil at Myrtle Beach Air Force Base. He adopted a 6month old baby girl that had been horrificly abused. I read your post several times. I closed the ap. Had to pray a little & think on your post. I haven't heard from our friend Cecil since I was a teenager. The MBAFB shut down shortly after those days & everyone moved away.

    Cecil, GOD is Just. Have you heard of Moses? In Genesis, Abraham was promised several amazing things, a son from his 'wife', in their old age, etc. Gen. 12:2,3,7, but also that those heirs would be servant in strange land & afflicted 400 yrs. Genesis 15:12-13, if you read in depth you can find GOD's justice. Genesis 12:10-17, Genesis 16:1-16, Genesis 21:9-19 = it was in Egypt, Abraham's children of Sarah's son Isaac's offspring were afflicted.

    Genesis 18, shows great mercy of GOD that if 10 righteous were in that land (Sodom & Gomorrah) it would've been spared. That's his Nephew Lot's friends & family. ?, Right here is proof the GOD interecedes on People's behalf when they obey HIM.

    GOD's ways are not our ways, Isaiah 55:8,9,

    We cannot blame GOD for wickedness of man = Genesis 6:5-6,

    Yet GOD shows us mercy & unimaginable love, John 3:16-17, salvation through sacrifice, Psalms 18:25-27,

    GOD is merciful, true & Just. If you read the books that go alongside Isaiah you'll get a clearer picture: 2Chronicles 36, Jeremiah 29, Jeremiah 51, Exodus 22:22, Isaiah 1:17, Isaiah 1:23, Jeremiah 7:6, Jeremiah 22:3, Ezekiel 22:7, Malachi 3:5, Zechariah 7:10, you can start with those verses because that's most of what GOD asked of Israel & Judah. Then please read the Books & chapters.

    Then Babylon: 2Kings 20:12-18,19, Daniel 1, 2Kings 25:8-9, I stopped there because that's enough about the evil.

    Hopefully these are helpful if you are trying to search for truth & understanding. You can also ask for wisdom James 1:5-6,21,

    Job 38:1-41, James 4:12,

    * Hebrews 7:25,


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