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Sister GiGi. I don't have to study those doctrines, I was taught and raised to believe those doctrines, and did believe them from the time I was about 15 years old until I was about 68 years old. God cause me through circumstances he brought about to do nothing but study his word form morning to night, seven days a week, for five and a half years. I no longer believe man has free will, I no longer believe in a trinity, I believe there is a Father and a Son(s), I no longer believe that most of mankind will go to hell; but, believe Jesus was sent by the Father to save the world and the son will not fail in that commission of his Father. You are right, our beliefs will determine whether we are the ones judging the world with Christ, or the ones being judged by Christ and his elect.

Thomas

Yes, there were giants in the earth or on the earth. These giants were from the sons of God, these sons of God were angels. When God created Adam God made Adam in his image. So, Adam was one of the sons of God. Genesis 6: 2 tells us that the sons of God took them wives of all which they chose. The Angels have a freewill just as you do, they can choose to serve God are not, just as humans can choose to serve God are not, and if a human or angel refuses to serve God the angel is sent to the bottomless pit chained, and the human that refuses to serve God when he dies is sent to hell.

Genesis 6: 1- 6

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

God Bless

stay prayed up and ready to go up

cowboy

Earl,

I do not believe that Jesus was only a man and that He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism. I do not believe that He was only a man that was filled with God at His baptism. These views have been denounced as heresies throughout the centuries. To believe that Jesus was only human, then such belief denies that He was divine, as well from birth. Denying the divinity of Jesus denies that He pre-existed for all of eternity in the Trinitarian Godhead for all eternity and never had a beginning as God the Son. If Jesus died as only a human, His sacrifice could only reconcile man to man, not man to God. But, the church has affirmed that Jesus was fully human and fully divine in one nature (without mixing the natures to become a third type of nature). It is this human/divine nature that made his sacrifice efficacious for mankind by being a perfectly sinless man and perfectly and equally divine Son of God, (as the Father and the Spirit are perfectly and equally divine) He was able to satisfy what God required of man to be in right relationship with God (which no other human can be) and being divine, He is able to reconcile us to God and raise up us up to have union with God, as He promised at the Last Supper as He prayed. John 17:20-23. Christian orthodox teaching has stated that our Savior is equally human and divine because that is what was necessary for mankind to be fully redeemed to what God willed for us to become in Him.

Earl, I know that we will agree to disagree on this, but I do think that it is vital for believers to know correct doctrine, and I contend for the orthodox teachings of the church because it is important to refute heretical ideas. We cannot both be correct in this. If you are willing, you may want to study the various heresies rejected by the church over the centuries concerning the nature of Jesus Christ as to what the heretics taught about this topic, and what the church pointed out as the error in the heretics teaching.

Blessings, always.

No Jesus was not born with the spirit

God the father god the Holy Spirit

One and the same

John chapter 1 verse 1 and verse 2

In the beginning was the word the word was with god and the word was god

2. The same was in the with god

3.all things that were made by him

And without him was not anything made that was made

4 in him was life and the life was light of men

Which means god the father god the son and god the Holy Ghost

Which are the same had no beginning and had no end

Jesus obviously did have the spirit

And Jesus had no beginning and no end

Bless you

Amen Sister GiGI, I knew you would disagree, but there is coming a time when, ALL WILL BE IN UNITY.

All of this is God's plan, he has set brother against brother and sister against sister. This teaches us, the fruits of the spirit.

Our thanks to the all knowing God.

Dear brother Earl,

I read your post and cannot agree with what you stated about our Lord, Jesus. I hold to the long held orthodox view that Jesus was wholly God and wholly man in united in one person. This is the understanding of His nature presented by the church in the first 3 centuries of existence as it addressed various other views about Jesus-Arianism, Nestorianism, and others (which we determined to be heretical).

I hold this view because I believe the Scriptures support this view over the other views people propose about our Lord. Thank you for sharing. We just disagree on this point, and I believe it is a very crucial point. This is why I speak up about it.

Sister GiGi, I agree with Rick, Christ was born a man like unto us.

He received the Spirit at the baptism by John. That's why he told John it was of necessity to be baptised by him.

The Spirit, as the likeness of a dove, was visible evidence of this baptism of Spirit.

In Isaiah we have the prophecy;

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Isaiah 11:2 And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom, and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord;

Isaiah 11:3 And make him of QUICK UNDERSTANDING of the fear of the Lord ....

Jesus was GIVEN this as a MAN at his baptism of spirit, just as we as MEN are GIVEN THE SAME. He was made to have this, by the Father, not born with it.

Jesus was not fully man and fully God. He is a BODY FILLED with GOD. He said of myself I can do nothing. If he were fully God he could of him self done All things, but he said I do ALL things through my Father.

Rick, I did not mean to say that you have said that Jesus became the Son of God at His baptism. I am sorry if you took it that way. What I meant was that if one can say that Jesus did not have the Spirit before His baptism, one could also say that He became the Son of God at that time, too. It would be logical to think so. But I do not believe either statement to be true.

And, you are right, we each are free to believe our own way. I respect that.

Thank you Ron! I appreciate your input and will certainly pray for understanding. Hava terrific day!

Gigi P.S. I never said he became Gods Son he was Gods Only begotten Son period, I don't understand why

I share something then people make a statement that I didn't but that's o.k. So as to not argue I'm moving on.

God Bless

Gigi What I stated absolutely takes nothing away from Him the only begotten Son of God

so its your privilege to not agree.

Good morning, Rick

I do not agree that Jesus was not born wit the spirit. I believe Jesus was fully human and fully God at conception. He always possessed the Spirit. In reference to John 1:32, at Jesus' baptism the Father and Spirit manifested with Him to affirm to those around Him that He was the Messiah, not to fill Him with the Spirit. If your interpretation is correct, then the it would also be true that the He became the Son of the Father at that time. But He was always the Son of the Father, Who said at His baptism, This IS my only begotten Son, in Whom I am well pleased. Jesus was already His Son. It does not say He became His Son. Same is true of the Spirit. Jesus was One in Unity with the and Spirit from all eternity, therefore as fully God and fully man, He had the Spirit since conception.

Hey Tony,

If I may, what people call demons are devils, unclean spirits, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, some spirits with no physical bodies, some angels that have bodies that cannot possess humans but can control. Evil spirits are on this earth that can influence and also possess humans.

We see while Jesus was here the first time, He cast them out of many people, also he gave power for the disciples to do the same Matthew 10:1. We also see Paul doing the same, one in Acts 16:18. They are still on this earth, many do not believe they're real but believe me they are real.

The bible is not clear how or why these beings are on the earth. There are writings outside of the bible that talk about these but how true are they. The sons of God you speak of are angels, not unembodied spirits. Job 1:6 Job 2:1 and Job 38:7. We know some angels left their first estate and sinned that are locked in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6.

These angels are not the devils or spirits that are roaming this earth, they are locked in the bottomless pit. We see they have a king in Revelation 9 whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Strange is his name has the same meaning as the son of perdition, that means destruction/destroyer.

Through scripture, it says angels can take on human form, they ate and drank and even wrestled with Jacob. We are even warned when entertaining strangers they may be an angel. The sons of God you speak of in Genesis are those angels who left their first estate and mated with human women that produced the giants (Nephilim and Rephaim or Rephaites) The name of these people means "terrible ones", they were before the flood and after Genesis 6:4 tells us they were then and after the flood and when the sons of God mated with women it produced giants.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Tony Just something to consider, when I study the word, my approach is not to look for what I believe it

means or trying to prove what I think but what is God saying, what does He mean, after all its His Word and its Truth.

Tony I thought for a while about your questions but given this is for the most part a format that is here

to discuss the positives of believing Gods Word and deliverance through Jesus Christ, I don't see the profitability

spiritually of continuing this area of conversation. If someone else chooses to that's there privilege, so that being

said I'm on to something else. I bid you Philippians 4:8+9 God Bless

Tony Spirit is not passed at birth, when any human is born he is body and soul, the only exception to this that

I'm aware of is John the baptist, even Jesus Christ was not born with Spirit, John 1:32. When an individual gets

born again he receives that which he didn't have before holy spirit eternal life Gods Gift. Now some believe the

spirit and soul are the same.

Spirit life is eternal where as when you take your last breath that's the end of sou life , Genesis 2:7 God formed man, gave him shape then breathed into his nostrils breath of life and he became a living Soul

it is believed by some since God is Spirit that is what he breathed in man. In Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own

Image and In the Gospel of John 4:24 Jesus Christ said God Is Spirit. So man in the beginning was body soul and spirit

when man sinned in Genesis He lost his Most important part His Spiritual connection with God which was bought back by Jesus Christ.

Hello Rick! I appreciate your feedback. After reading both my initial posts, do you think my proposal is valid?

1. Sons of God and Satan presented themselves to God because they were evil.

2. God banished them to earth where at least some "possessed" the natural bodies of men

3. Having commandeered these bodies at birth (when the soul & spirit are given), they assumed all the natural attributes of men.

4. That is why the sons of God (now devils masquerading as men) found the women attractive and married them.

5. The result was children with human traits but evil spirits.

6. God saw what happened and lamenting, wanted to destroy man.

7. Except for Noah.

I believe that I can back all this up with several Biblical verses. Is my analysis accurate? Where am I wrong? Is this plausible? Thanks!

Hi Tony Its not that devils have natural traits, when a human is possessed the entity literally controls that body

at its will, notice I said devils because that's what scripture calls them. Also there is a major difference between

possession and influence, this is a field all its own that very few people believe or understand. One example I know

of possession was a person I think in China could change the form of metal by thought, that was spiritual power.

Any person that displays a so called ability that breaks natural law walking on coals of fire, so called mental telepathy

clairvoyance , clairaudience, these things are forms of influence or possession.

All of the above can be delivered and set free by the gospel.

Good afternoon David! Hope all is well. Thank you for your comment. I agree with you 100% that spirits cannot procreate. But I am not suggesting that demons are procreating as spirits. I am suggesting that the sons of God are devils that were banished from heaven to earth. There they took on natural bodies.

Do you agree with me that demons can possess a natural body? If you do, then demons would have natural attributes.

One attribute would be physical strength. Consider Matthew 8:28 - And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Another physical attribute of a demon possessing physical attributes would be procreation. Perhaps you have insight into who the sons of God were. I am more than willing to change my understanding based on Scripture.

BTW, I also agree with you on your creation statement. Have a terrific day, David! What a great Biblical name!

Hi Tony Biblically flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit they cannot procreate, a spirit bad source can possess a body

but notsexually impregnate. now God who is spirit created the sperm in mary to conceive our saviour that's because

God can Create because to create is to do or bring something into existence from nothing. In Genesis God

spoke into being creation by His Word.

I accidently left off some information from my previous post. I believe that the sons of God were bad spirits that were being banished to earther after an accounting with God. These evil spirits then commandeered souls and spirits at birth of new-borns, thus giving spirits the physical attributes needed to procreate.

Interestingly, the first verse in Genesis 6 discusses an birth explosion: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

The second verse then mentions the sons of God. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. This seems to support the idea that evil spirits took on natural attributes.

Just because they are called sons of God does not make them good. Jesus, Son of God was good. Satan, also a son of God, was evil.

A final note. The sons of God mentioned in the OT are different from the sons of God in the NT. In the NT, we are the sons and children of God. We, natural men, have received the Holy Ghost. Romans 9:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Here, Paul is talking about us, as natural men. This notion is support later in Romans 8:16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

Who or what were the sons of God? Were they spirits or men?

Consider this key related verse, Job 2:1 - there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. If they presented themselves to God, the sons of God had to be spirits. But they weren't good spirits. How do we know this? They were led by their leader, Satan, and were being called by God to account for themselves. Being evil, they were being banished from heaven and given the choice of remaining a spirit, like Satan, or assuming a natural body.

We know that the soul (and spirit) are given to man at birth. I propose that when the evil spirits were banished, they commandeered the spirits of new-borns. This gave the evil spirits, which didn't have physical bodies and therefore couldn't have sex, the physical attributes needed to marry and have children as noted in Genesis 6:4.

This would also explain Genesis 6:3 - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh. "that he [the evil spirits] also is flesh." Implies that the evil spirits had become men. It would also explain the outburst of wickedness found later in Genesis 6. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. It was because (6.4) the children of the sons of God and daughters of men had become mighty men which ere of old, men of renown with natural bodies but evil spirits.

May the Holy Ghost lead us in knowledge. Peace to you and yours.

I've had it explained to me that it was finished when Noah finished it, "that GOD couldn't move until Noah finished it" that "GOD's timing isn't man's timing. He waits sometimes for completion of events not like world thinks". That significance is amazing to consider. Genesis 6:22,

Daniel 7:22, Galatians 4:22, Ecclesiastes 3:1-17, Daniel 7:25, Exodus 9:16-19, Hebrews 9:8-10, Psalms 105:17-19, Micah 5:2-4, seems to be significant even in future Luke 16:16,

Hope that's helpful

The medbeds use your original DNA to heal. They do not alter your DNA. Also, if one chooses to take an mRNA vaccine, a medbed would not be able to change your DNA back to original DNA. The medbed would have to have access to your original DNA to change it back. So, if your first scan on a medbed was post vaccine, it would not have access to your original DNA.

So much conflicting information about covid vaccines. There is a reason big Tech is suppressing info that doesn't fit what they wish to be distributed on their sites. My approach is to be prayerful and chose what God has laid on your heart to do and then trust Him, whether you chose to vaccine or not. I chose to be vaccinated because of multiple health problems. I know that Jesus is my covering and will deliver me safe in the end, come what may. If I was young and healthy, I would not get vaccinated because of what statistics show about low risk to this group of people. I am not afraid. I feel at peace that I have followed the lead of God. Bless you for considering training for utilization of med beds. I have not heard anything about this. I will have to l look it up. Thank you.

The vaccines categorically do NOT alter your DNA nor are they made from DNA. They use mRNA, Messenger Ribonucleic Acid. MRNA basically instructs your cells to produce a piece of a foreign cell, in this case the spike protein that is part of the COVID19 virus. At that point your immune system does its job and destroys the proteins and the mRNA and retains a "memory" of the protein and the next time it encounters that protein your body can overcome it.

This process is something that happens in your body naturally every day.

There is no mention of DNA in the bible because the authors had no knowledge of it. Eating a piece of fruit does not alter your DNA just as eating a piece of meat or a cookie or a glass of wine does not. The "apple" mentioned in Genesis is just a literary device and a pretty weak one at that.

GENESIS speaks of altered DNA..hence the obvious covid vaccines...changes godly DNA. Grapevine news is that hospitals will be implementing Med Beds...which would extinguish the need of greedy doc, big pharma etc. These beds use DNA to fix what's wrong with you...like it had for the elite for 70 years now. I believe these med beds are just another way to change you DNA like the covid bioweapons...I need guidance because I signed up to train as a med bed operator and fear I'm just like the ones pushing the deadly vaccines.

Wait, wait. The unequally yoked rules originated with the Jews. Genesis 4:26, Genesis 6:2-6, Deuteronomy 7:1-29, 1 Kings 11:1-4, Malachi 2:15, Psalm 122:6, Genesis 12:1-3,

John 8:31, Matthew 27:11, John 18:33, Revelation 7:5

Genesis 6:3

Yes, the DNA still exists in our corporate gene pool. We just don't know how it got there after the flood if Noah and his sons were unmixed. Don't know if all wives were unmixed though.

We are building up today. Look at all of the sky scrapers (the word describes the tower of Babel) all over the world. But even more, we are going into space. I don't think God ever wanted us to do that. He said earth was made to be inhabited by man, but never space.