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Thank you for that information; I would have liked to know more about the first Bible you mentioned, with the missing first page, & done some research on it. I can agree with the other reference you gave from the other Bible (i.e. Genesis 6:5 with Romans 1:28-31), even though I don't have that particular cross reference in my Bible. But to connect Jeremiah 2:23 to Genesis 3:12.13 is mystifying to me.

Anyway, I tried to do a Cross-Reference search via Open Bible & I did find these two references, along with many others, that were cross referenced to Genesis 3:12,13. Maybe you could go back to that old Bible you used to find this reference & see where the cross reference is applied, as where the a, b, c, etc are placed are important.

Apparently, in Genesis 3:13, the phrase "What is this that thou hast done?" is the connection to Jeremiah 2:23, "know what thou hast done". So the cross reference has nothing to do with dromedaries, but only a connection to "thou hast done". Any other connection would seem totally unreasonable, whether in context or in English usage. So, I won't pursue further your application of the dromedary to how God looks at us sinners; or even the use of other animals (fish, gnats, creeping things, etc.) for the same reason. Maybe, it might be interesting to check out your other cross references, particularly associating the various types of fornication to being the cause of other sins. As you know, I understand that fornication is just another sin along with every other sin.

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The Bible doesn't specifically tell us how the drop in human longevity changed from the large numbers you read of in Genesis chapter 5, to smaller numbers as you progressively go through that Book & into the rest of biblical history.

We can assume that when God created humans, He intended that we live forever. When Adam & Eve sinned, not only their hearts became sin-tainted, but their intimate walk with God (i.e. their relationship) was affected & the duration of their earthly existence was shortened. Even though Adam lived for 930 years (& Eve possibly for a similar duration), even that was abnormal.

Then we come to Noah & the Great Flood that wiped away all living creatures, except Noah & his family. I should say, that the reference to 120 years in Genesis 6:3 is often taken as 'God's shortening of man's ages to 120 years, however, that actually is a reference to the time God gave to man before he would be wiped off the Earth because of his unrestrained sin. So these great ages of humans continued until the Flood. Post Flood: ages began to reduce as we see in Noah's son, Shem ( Genesis 11:10 ff) & others in history, but this wasn't the rule.

So, it's understood that with a possible defective gene in Noah/his wife that was subsequently passed onto his son's & then down the line to us, the effects of sin that had increasingly affected our bodies, & even our changing conditions (chemical levels in the atmosphere, diet, mental/emotional stability, life's complications bringing on pressures, etc.) could well have contributed to a much shorter life span. In Psalm 90:9,10, Moses states: "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow". Though Moses himself lived for many more years than 70, 120 years in fact, he probably envisaged that man's days 'were numbered' & if we should live beyond 70, life would get more difficult, finally extracting our final breath.

Verse 2 and 4 brings to mind just what is the sons of God and the women of man. Where did the giants come from and where did they go???

I've heard that before as well, but we have no clue on the nature of spirits and angels, and what they exactly can and can't do. Also, Genesis 6:4;

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

It differentiates "sons of God" and "daughters of men", implying that the sons of God mentioned are not men. I also heard the phrase "sons of God" in the original texts in this context were specifically used for referring to angels.

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I think Rob, a dictionary wouldn't be very useful in this matter. So your answer is: "The Holy Spirit is of God". Well, that's correct but to expand on that a little, if I may amplify your thoughts. In great care, I would suggest that you also believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person, i.e. He comes from within the Godhead, sent into the World of sinners to convict & to indwell those who have been born again that they might lead new lives with a new Power within.

That He must be a Person, as shown in many examples: Intelligence ( 1 Corinthians 2:10,11); has feelings ( Ephesians 4:30); has a Will ( 1 Corinthians 12:11); has a Mind ( Romans 8:27); teaches ( John 14:26); guides ( Romans 8:14, John 16:13); commissions ( Acts 13:4); commands ( Acts 8:29); restrains ( Genesis 6:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:7); intercedes ( Romans 8:26); speaks ( John 15:26). Though He may be a spirit as from God, out of God's Being, He is the very Expression & Person of God Himself. I hope you agree to that, or am I putting words in your mind or mouth?

Then we come to God's Word. As seen with the Spirit, the Word of God is unseen, the very Articulation of God in creating, giving commands & direction whether to heavenly hosts, to His people on Earth or through His prophets & in other utterances that we're unaware of. Now there may be other aspects of God's Being that we're not told of, but of the Word & the Spirit, there's no dispute. The difficulty now for some remains with the 'Word'.

If then, God sends out His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes, why is it so hard to comprehend that He sends out His Word to do likewise? Or is that because the Spirit has no flesh, therefore it must hold true that God's Word can only be spirit without flesh? What if God chose to give His Spirit flesh maybe that would make it easier to understand the 'Word' easier.

Carol the only righteous people were on the earth at the time of the flood were noah and his family many people think Genesis 6 ;2 refers to beings of the true God not so look up original language translation. Also old testament law forbad any written recording of any spiritual occurance had to have Gods name on it. That does not mean the True God actually did the work. Remember John 10: 9+ 10 the thief cometh not but to steal kill and destroy. Thats the adversary also in corinthians the last enemy to be destroyed is death therefore death is an enemy of God.

M Not agreeing with that angels are spiritual beings whether from the true God or messengers from the enemy and spirit cannot have intercourse with flesh and blood.

The sons of God in Genesis 6 seems to refer to fallen angels, who were directly created by God instead of through a lineage. It seems they had children with human women and the offspring were giants. The giants were wiped out in the flood (entirely?), and I seem to recall that the fallen angels who had the offspring were sealed somewhere beneath the earth. However, I can't currently find where I read that.

I don't believe that Genesis 6:3 tells us how long we can live. Moses, who wrote that verse, lived longer than that. The 120 years refers to the time then left before the coming flood.

Did GOD kill the sons of GOD in the flood.

Finding hope in Genesis 6 and 7 . There are things Written such as 7 of cleaned beast and 2 of uncleaned but must take male and female of each even of foels 7 cleaned and 2 uncleaned then later it says Noah took 2 by 2 of each. So if he obeyed did he not take 7 cleaned?

Also another question is it stated 7 rained days flood lasted on earth 40 days 40 night then another verse said the water lasted on earth 150 days. Why did people say it rained 40 days and 40 nights so after then the water receaded after 150 days plus the 40 day and night plus the 7?

God's sons were returning to procreate because only God can do what he do and was Satan haddeas the first son who went against God then more of God's son Zeus all in the Greek mythology?

The word 'heart' is a strange word. As you know, we have it in normal English usage & we find it in the Bible as well. There's no specific meaning one can give to it; the best I can do, is to say that the word 'heart' is used when we want to describe someone's innermost being, expressed in the mind, the emotions or in spiritual matters. Just as one's soul & spirit are defined in the Bible & these are the immaterial parts of us, so to our 'heart' is immaterial & probably serves to describe the activity of soul and/or spirit.

The Bible is replete with references to the 'heart': Genesis 6:5,6; Genesis 17:17; Genesis 45:26; Jeremiah 17:9 are just a few examples of the ways that 'heart' is used in the Bible. So when I wrote, "fully convinced in our hearts", my thoughts were on the combination of our mental & emotional aspects, whereby we must firmly believe in mind & display of emotional strength, as we stand against any that should come against us.

As a sideline, the Bible also uses the word 'bowels'. This can refer to our bodily insides ( Genesis 15:4) but also refer to what we denote to the heart, except using the older English expression. So we have Genesis 43:30, Philemon 1:7 as a couple of examples of that. I trust you can see the use of the word 'heart' (& bowels) in Scripture.

Those pre flood were led by sons of gods off spring, very intelligent builders after all their father was a builder and designer. These sons had the intelligence and skills to build and design but it was used to fight each other. They messed with DNA they created virus and strange hybrids that are mentioned in mythology and on the walls of the pyramids. God saw that his creation had become corrupted and sent the flood. But even after that there remained bad strands of DNA in Noah and family which occasionally showed up as giants again. Virus where created and put into animals and where made off limits to man, kosher food only. We eat virus infected meat, or meat which has the potential to become virus ridden very easily. We disobey gods will and every commandment is regularly broken. Though shall not kill, abortions are killing. Though shalt not worship false idols, look in any church and see statues of mary or jesus. The rest are easily identified as being broken. I'm going off track lol. But there is going to be a price to get things back to gods way again.

what was the 7 pleages in revelations chapter14.is this the lastbof days now

2 Corinthians 5:6

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Colossians 2:5

For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Michael:

When an unbeliever in our Savior Jesus Christ, dies physically: the body resides wherever loved ones buried it, or where it fell dead. The soul separates from it and is kept in a holding place until the Great White Throne Judgment occurs.

Christians that die; their physical bodies lay in a grave or wherever they died: and await the Shout of Jesus at the moment of the Rapture. Jesus will transform them into the resurrection body: body, soul, spirit.

[In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43) ]

Now that you know these things; what are you going to do about Jesus?

Matt.24, Luke 21

2 Corinthians 5:6

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Colossians 2:5

For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Michael:

When an unbeliever in our Savior Jesus Christ, dies physically: the body resides wherever loved ones buried it, or where it fell dead. The soul separates from it and is kept in a holding place until the Great White Throne Judgment occurs.

Christians that die; their physical bodies lay in a grave or wherever they died: and await the Shout of Jesus at the moment of the Rapture. Jesus will transform them into the resurrection body: body, soul, spirit.

[In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43) ]

Now that you know these things; what are you going to do about Jesus?

Matt.24, Luke 21

The lady was probably referring to the (true) story of the rich man & Lazarus, found in Luke 16:19-31. Here we find that both the rich man & the poor beggar Lazarus had died & were both found in Hades (Hell), though there was a gulf (a separation) between them. Presumably, the part in which the rich man was placed, was a place of torment & the other part where Lazarus was in, was free of pain & torment. And we also note that Abraham was here too. So even when their dead bodies were on Earth, they were still recognizable in the after-life.

Apart from this account, we have little else to support a full & proper teaching of the after-life, as it existed before Jesus gave His Life for us on the Cross. I couldn't be certain of that part of Hades - though my sense is that it was not in Heaven but in the lower parts of the Earth. But post crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus, the righteous would have been taken away to Heaven based on their faith looking forward to their sin's payment by Jesus.

In this regard, the Apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8, "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord...We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." This tells me that Paul believed & expected that after his death, his next view would be of his Lord & Saviour being carried into His Presence. And Paul was familiar with Heaven, the sights there & the words he heard, having been given such a vision that he felt constrained to remain quiet about it: 2 Corinthians 12:1-5.

So at the Rapture of the saints, we understand that their remains on Earth will be raised up from death to life & reconnected with their spirits at Christ's return for them & as also the living believers. That's my understanding; there will be other beliefs by others.

I had an older woman, whom states she is a Christian, state that when you die, that your soul goes into Hades (she stated that Hades was in Heaven) where you rest until the Rapture and then the soul returns to the body on earth....

The "Sons of God" were ANGELS, not men. The phrase is used only three (3) other times in the Old Testament , all in the Book of Job (1:6, 2:1, 38:7). In each of those verses, "the Sons of God" are clearly described as ANGELS. The only "son of God" in the Old Testament is ADAM, prior to the Fall of man in the Garden of Eden. Adam by His SIN, spiritually DIED (as God had warned Adam would happen), and Adam lost his "sonship" relation with God, as did ALL Adam's descendants, until Jesus Christ, who came to RESTORE man's broken relationship with God. Seth, Adam's son, and all his offspring were SONS OF ADAM, born spiritually DEAD and cut off from God, NOT "sons of God". It took Jesus Christ by His blood sacrificed for our sin- Adam 2 dying for Adam 's sin- to RESTORE man's lost relationship with God, so that Christ could say to His disciples after His Resurrection, "I go to My Father, and YOUR FATHER; to My God and YOUR GOD." There were NO human "sons of God" after Adam UNTIL JESUS CHRIST, and those who belong to Him, born of the Spirit from above. The "sons of God" referenced in Genesis 6 are FALLEN ANGELS who "left their first estate" and went after "strange flesh" and assumed human form (see 2nd Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6) and chose human wives who bore children to them- the super human hybrid Nephilim GIANTS. God punished those angels IMMEDIATELY with everlasting chains in darkness (unlike the remainder of Satan's Angel's who will be punished at the final end of history history. Go with what the Bible says! Not by human imagination or bias.

The Genesis 6 debate is a good example of people rejecting Scriptural TRUTH in favor of their own bias. "It's impossible for angels to have sex with women", they say. Why is it impossible? Because it goes against their innate BIAS, but not from ANY SCRIPTURAL reasoning. OK- here are SCRIPTURAL reasons why Genesis 6 refers to ANGELS co-habiting with WOMEN: (1. The phrase "Sons of God" found in Genesis 6:2,4 is used in ONLY three other places in the Old Testament: ALL are found in the Book of Job ( Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7). In EACH of those 3 passages, the term "Sons of God" refers to ANGELS, not MEN. If you have a problem with that statement, take it up with the Author of the Book. I didn't write it, I'm only reporting it. (2. Mankind SONSHIP with God was SEVERED with the Fall of man in the Garden of Eden. Adam was a son of God; Adam and Eve spiritually DIED when they disobeyed God , and ate of the forbidden fruit. ALL of Adam's offspring, until Christ, the 2nd Adam, came were born spiritually DEAD. They were sons of Adam, made in Adam's image, not God's children. The Sonship relationship between God and man was re-established ONLY when Christ died on the Cross, and paid Adam's SIN DEBT that separated man from God. That was why Christ could say to His disciples, after His Resurrection, "I go to MY Father AND YOUR FATHER; to My God and YOUR GOD." There are many more points and Scriptures I could bring out to support the argument, but the two (2) points brought out (above) DEMOLISH the argument "the sons of Seth were the SONS OF GOD."

Please read The Book Of Enoch and once you are finish reading this extraordinary book, your life will never be the same again. BENEH HA ELOHIM means The Angels , and BENOT ADAM means the sons of Adam. Read carefully of many,

THE EVERYDAY BIBLE , THE CENTURY VERSION. Genesis 6:4. The Nephilum were on the earth in those days and also later. That The Sons Of God ( Bene Ha ELOHIM ) had sexual relations with the daughters of human beings. ( BENOT ADAM ). These women gave birth to children ( the giants ), who became famous and we're mighty warriors of long ago. HE SAID YAHWEH GOD, ( You will live only 120 years) because that is how The Ark took them numerical years. After that the flood came. """ The book of Enoch as many others books Really does mentioned The Coming Of The Messiah, The Son, The Christ. My question is WHY IN THE WORLD SHOULD I ABSTTEIN FROM READING SUCH AS INTERESTING BOOKS ? Look it under WIKIPEDIA in The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden. And the Non-canonicals books referenced in the Bible. And The Missing Books of The Bible. I will Not Mention More for this is it for now. Glory be to God.

You will find nowadays plenty of The Missing Books of The Bible and in this occasion The Apocriphal Books, Deuterocanonical And Pseudo graphical BUT of course, not every book is inspired but It is good to read, but read it using The Hebrew writings, Greek, Latin, Arameo and which ever language you come across with. For an example: Genesis 6:2 ' That the sons of God saw that the daughter of men that they were fair; IT MEANS BENE HA ELOHIM, SAW THE THE DAUGHTER OF MEN, which means " BENOTH ADAM " it really makes a big difference believe it or not. YAHWEH : "Behold the hand, behold the nail ". Check the name of God revealed on YOUTUBE to make it easier for you. Chairs/Shalom. The Apostle Paul was the 13 Apostle because he was chosen for the gentiles ( first it was for the Jews and later on was for the gentiles ). Seem not to believe me brothers and sisters, read The Apocriphal missing books and the rest. I wish I could find a meeting place were I could just go and pray to YAHWEH " God " and still learn how to worship HIM/THEY. The Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit ( AMEN ) ""I WILL HAVE ALWAYS AN OPEN MIND""

Giants are in the world today. Just look at some of the NBA basket ball players.

very good. I agree. Most don't realize that angels had no sex organs, they can not produce anything. The sons of God are human men.

yes, I understand what you mean when you say there is no biblical evidence to day they materialize but, we do entertain angels unaware. according to the book of Hebrews which means they do materialize and Abram also entertained them also as guest along with the Lord at his house. Lot took them in, yet he was not aware they were Angelic beings..... These fallen ones that we are talking about are not in service to The Holy Almighty anymore, therefore they do not do nor follow God's laws anymore. Firstly you have to remember like man, the fallen angels also lost there first estate. (meaning the Godly Character). they have become sinful, which mean they do hideous acts of sinfulness, they are the ones that teach man a lead man into all kinds of corrupt sinfulness...

After the flood, the rebellious angels who went after Adams daughters; drowned.

Only 8 souls survived: Noah's family.

The evil ones had no bodies. Bodies Drowned. (There's a chapter where they rail on Satan for getting them killed.) With no bodies they became Demons.

In the New Testament, Jesus cast many out of afflicted peoples, body and soul. If you think..So What?... they can still get inside people who are not Born Again.

They wander until they find some kind of living thing to get inside. That statement is validated in Ephesians 6:11-12, Eph. 2:2, Isaiah 24:21-22 (some are imprisoned); some are in high places; Michael had to fight one so Gabriel could get a message to Daniel. Isaiah 14:16, satan isn't big & handsome. Ezekiel 28:23-19.

Satan has a will and he uses it to hurt people.

Often people blame God for the bad things that happen. If people today have idols in their lives (porn on the computer, gamble online, horoscopes, etc.) There are specialized demons that inhabit those things. We open the door they use to come inside our lives.

One even followed Paul around, hindering his meetings till he turned and cast it out of that woman! THEY ARE INVISIBLE!!! We never have drinks and smoke pot alone.

Maybe we should turn our focus away from nephalim in Genesis and lay our eyes on how to identify demonic activity in our lives, family, friends, mean neighbors, violent video games etc. ask yourself: what Fruit am I seeing?? Is someone depressed or suicidal? That's a spirit of death. Drugs, alcohol, pot=spirit of bondage. Learn these things. You could be praying to set clueless people FREE to follow Jesus.

Please think about this. Remember people who died way too early. Some of you commit to pray every day for Military who will be returning home soon, to find jobs miraculously, find new friends, be blessed for serving. Hold their lives Precious within your heart and spirit. Let's love Larger than just ourselves.

Mishandled

1Jn.4:1-6

1Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God,

3and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus*does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world.

4You belong to God, children, and you have conquered them, for the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

5They belong to the world; accordingly, their teaching belongs to the world, and the world listens to them.

6We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.

Interesting view point,

I have never read in the bible where Angels can manifest in human form. Nor have I read that they could materialize. Angels are in spirit form and can appear as a human but not materialize, therefore do not have the ability to have sexual relations with humans.

Why does most still believe that the sons of God mentioned in 6:4 are angels and the offspring are Nephilim. And that the renowned are the Nephilim?

Can people view the scripture as the Nephilim are just present during the time the male humans(sons of God) and female humans(daughters of man) had intercource.

Their offspring are human, and the renowned men of old are in reference to famous people mentioned prior to Gen.6:4.: the sons of God?

I have not viewed any other theories that suggests this.

Good luck in your search.

Blessed are the peace keepers.

I like your break down and elimination of the thought. However I think the last part is not spelling out to add up, for it to make full sense. I mean if they are God's son eg: Seth and Cain line eg: Enoch...( i am referring to the Enoch from Cain line here). How then would giants come about?. For we know these mighty men of re-noun speaks to giants also not just great men of mighty accomplishments, it speaks about warlocks, wizards men steeped in evil devices and powers. Think about this for a sec and let me know if it can ever be. The opposite of your own theory. The sons of God as the angels. Yes we are talking about the fallen ones, That 1/3 that the devil deceived to follow him. They are the nephilims that came and mingle with man kind and teach them charms, adornment of beauty, science, war, weapons, etc. Long story short.... Like Jesus being born of an spiritual birth not normal, Born of woman and the Spirit of God, Not the seed of man. The devil also wishes to corrupt the line of the Savior that he cause these corrupted Nephilims to mingle with man Kind. Jesus was born of the Spirit can it not be that the fallen ones can also cause woman born of un-natural procreation to bring forth un-natural off spring being giants in this case. The Idea was the same as what Balack wanted Balam to do back in Number to have man Kind Mingle in sinfulness to cause corruption. But the line of purity of Man kind was kept in Noah and his off springs over the year through the line of Seth. But even after the Flood we see the line was kept but the mind of man was corrupted and evil came forth in latter years by Ham line, Nimrod etc.....

We know angels cannot procreate, or marry but that is in Heaven because that is not the way there. however these Fallen ones do not obey such law. the fact that they mingle with Human can be the creation of un natural life. Remember how things are now spiritual things and physical things mixed without God is detrimental and evil.