Discuss Genesis 9

  • MotherMac - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Reply to Richard Priday

    Your words on this site are so helpful for me. You put into words some thoughts I have but have never heard them discussed.

    It also causes me to check myself. I can be narrow-minded at times. ( Not intentionally)

    Like when a group chose the rainbow as their color. I said,

    "Oh my Lord! They taking God's token of the covenant between him and Noah , ("God's people right?), to represent one Group of

    People." This is is so wrong."

    Well, I read Genesis 9:16 again!

    and got a different understanding.

    The scripture clearly says,

    " And the bow shall be in the cloud. I shall look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting Covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh

    upon the earth."

    "all flesh" and it never said anything about "God's people."

    Again in verse 17:

    It was important enough to say it twice.

    Was I surprised!!!

    Keep up the good work.

    You also offer thoughts on how churches can, "check themselves" to make sure they have the clear mission of the Church as a place that prepares us for ministry.

    You mentioned a truthful relationship between parents and children.

    And that Worship is to be more important than the "House" we worship in. Amen!

    I look forward to reading your writing.
  • Richard H Priday - 6 months ago
    The Tribulation: A general overview of events

    John 5:43 seems to allude of the Antichrist who comes "in his own name". This substitute or opposing Christ to the genuine Savior will; as Revelation states be worshipped ultimately by ALL whose names are NOT written in the book of life from before the foundation of the world ( Rev. 13:8). Whatever "quality" of life will be enjoyed by those taking the infamous mark of the beast it certainly won't be worth it considering eternal torment in hell to follow. I can envision it being much like a drug addict who is little more than skin and bones because they are so intoxicated with their "fix" that their whole self has turned from natural bahaviors taking care of themselves. The Tribulation may begin for those enjoying the benefits of the Babylon system for the first half of the event as what seems like a long party. Hence we see fornications; murders; idol worship and other abominations endure until the fifth trumpet judgment. At that point the wicked get a foretaste of sufferings to come; which I suspect Antichrist who arises immediately after will say he has put to an end after the 5 months; and also he will demonstrate immortality by the apparently miraculous revival from a deadly wound (see Zech. 11:17; ( Rev. 13:3). He also will give himself credit no doubt for killing the 2 witnesses which the world will celebrate; but their Resurrection will clue those in who are of God that the game is soon up and to run for their lives.

    God has demonstrated throughout scripture that he has an end game in mind once sin reaches a certain level. We can see this as early as Genesis 15;16 with the iniquity of the Amorites. God has dealt with the United States for hundreds of years and for us to think we are exempt from the fate of everyone else is folly. When we consider how many hundreds of millions of abortions and other killings occur with the principle of Genesis 9:5; it is no wonder billions will die.
  • Chris - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Jagggard912. This is not an easy question to answer, only because how our minds & hearts have been affected by current govt laws, often apalling court judgements, & the sentiments of society in general. However, since your question relates only to God's view of capital punishment (both by God's Command to His people Israel & His expectancy for the present day we're in), my short answer is, Yes, I believe that nothing has changed before God about sin, of wilful murder & what he expects as the correct punishment to be meted out.

    There is no question about God's requirements in relation to murder, adultery, kidnapping, sodomy, rape, witchcraft, etc. ( Genesis 9:6; Exodus chaps 21, 22, 35; Leviticus chaps 22, 24, & others), though proponents for a 'no capital punishment', will claim that Israel was a theocracy (rule under God alone), whereas Gentiles have their own govts & subject to new laws consistent with the consensus of society's expectations. But has God changed? So, why does God allow govts to enact laws inconsistent with His Requirements? Well, I could confidently say that no govt anywhere, would give much regard to God's Laws & Requirements for the proper functioning of society. Many may have started well, having a strong Judeo/Christian foundation, but having sinful, & many Christ-rejecting men at the helm, given to society's whims & for the on-going battle for votes, some God-honoring Laws are side-lined, if not altogether discarded.

    So what happens when a capital crime is committed (i.e. wilful murder) and is proved beyond doubt with hard evidence & not just circumstantial? Usually, a life sentence in prison, either for life or parole, & rarely the death penalty. If the prisoner is released back into society, whether as a murderer, rapist, child molester, etc., & he re-offends, hardly anyone batters an eyelid, as the prisoner has served his time. But when that criminal offends again, I ask, 'who then are the real criminals?' Society remains mute.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother Chris.

    Part 2.

    Some dispensations can be divided up into smaller dispensations, and they can be given different names. However, one thing is clear, there are dispensations and they are governed by different over-arching themes.

    There is also the matter of "carryovers" during the transition from one dispensation to another. Each dispensation commonly includes:

    Certain ordinances that were valid and continue to be valid in the new dispensation. A good example is the command to not eat blood, first given to Noah ( Genesis 9:4), then to Moses ( Leviticus 3:17) and was even carried over into the so-called dispensation of Grace at the Council of Jerusalem ( Acts 15:29).

    Other regulations that were valid until then are annulled and do not continue into the new dispensation. An example of this is the freedom to eat any meat, which is actually a reversal back to a previous dispensation where God commanded Noah to eat "every moving thing that liveth" ( Genesis 9:3).

    New principles not valid before are introduced in the new dispensation. The Mosaic Law is a dramatic illustration of this. A large portion of the Law introduced new principles.

    Promises given in one dispensation are carried over and fulfilled in another dispensation. Many of the promises to the nation of Israel, to Abraham and to David are yet to be fulfilled, but will be fulfilled during the Millennium.

    Some things instituted in one dispensation may be elaborated or modified in a later dispensation. An excellent example of this is the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus takes the written laws one step further-not only is it wrong to murder, but if you hate, you have already committed murder in your heart.

    See part 3.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks David0920, I agree with what you've written - none can deny it - it is there in Scripture. But was wondering, as from your original statement, "Because of some of the comments I see here, I feel compelled to again state what the Bible declares regarding how we are to view and interpret the Bible."

    From that I wasn't able to discern (by your quoting from Matthew chapter 13), whether your compulsion to bring up your concern was because of some who believe that the whole Bible has to be read as a parable (i.e. historical events that bring out another (deeper) spiritual meaning), or you were refuting such an interpretation. For me, when a parable is clearly given (as Jesus gave to the multitudes), it is a story with familiar events but those events & people represent a spiritual Truth of the Kingdom of God. Yet, some view not only Jesus' parables as such but the whole Bible being a parable, maybe taking an event as Noah planting a vineyard ( Genesis 9:20), that this act would have a deeper meaning, using some NT references such as Matthew chapters 20 & 21 to support their belief, which is incredible to my reading & understanding.

    If you could clarify your position on this, I (& maybe others) would know the reason for your presentation, as your statement, "God did not write the Bible so that it is easy to come to truth", was puzzling. Thank you.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 9 - 1 year ago
    Hello Ricardo. We are not told about the years it took for the Ark's construction, but from what information we're given, we can make a rough guess. In Genesis 6:3, God declared His sorrow that mankind had become so evil that God's Spirit would no longer "strive" (in Hebrew, the sense of pleading & continual judgement) with mankind. So from that time, God had given man 120 years of existence before being wiped out. This extra time may be for man to come to his senses, repent & turn from his wicked ways, but certainly for Noah's witness & preaching of man's destruction ( 2 Peter 2:5) to them, as well as for the building of the ark in preparation for the saving of the righteous ones.

    Those who have calculated Noah's age & the birth of his sons & their marriages, believe that it may have taken between 55 to 75 years (maybe even more), for the ark's construction, plus the gathering of the animals & their feed. We're not told of those involved in its construction: certainly Noah & his sons, but there also may be others: unbelieving men (craftsmen) yet needing to earn a living by assisting in this mysterious build. Special tools & expertise would be required for the cutting & shaping of the wood & other necessary parts of this vessel.

    No mention is made of saving any fish/sea creatures, so I assume that they continued in their state in the sea, whereas all, but the specified land & flying animals that went into the Ark, perished.
  • Ricardo N. Apuyo on Genesis 9 - 1 year ago
    And God said unto Noah, the end of all flesh has come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an Ark of gopher wood, rooms shalt thou make in the Ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. My question and comments are how many years did Noah build the Ark? If he has carpenters and workers to build the Ark? If God destroys all mankind and living creatures or livestock? How about all the fish of the sea will die also, since fish leave and breath in the water. Kindly please explain further deeper and send us my email address account to be understood clearly.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 9 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 1:25-31, Numbers 13:22,28,33, Joshua 15:13,14,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • MARCELL on Genesis 9 - 1 year ago
    Where did the Nephilim come from? Who are the Anakites?
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 9 - 1 year ago
    Hello RobLor. Genesis 9:4-6 reads, "But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

    Is this the passage you're referring to? If so, the context here is about two things: eating (animal) flesh with the blood, and the shedding of innocent blood. I couldn't align this passage to what you've suggested.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply on Genesis 9 - 1 year ago
    Alex N 1939...Hi Rob lemme give ya feelings about the righteousness of this earth in the last days.

    Isaiah says that God was gonna make a man more precious then Gold even the golden wedge of Ophir...which is gonna be by his fire of the H.G....in the last day i will pour out of my spirit on all flesh... Joel 2:32

    Isaiah said that Knowledge ( An intimacy that is gonna cover this earth resulting in a New BIRTH for every man)...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me....While we were yet sinners Christ shed his blood for every man....He has to know us thats when we get that good seed that initiates a new Birth....thats y we need the contents of the book the living words of God.

    Who shall abide the day of his coming, Who shall stand when he appears...( 2 nd coming )...For he shall be as a refiners fire and fullers soap....A cleasing fire..Malichi 3 :2...Every sinner has to have his part in the lake of fire...As our God is a Consuming fire...That H.G. FIRE....Remember Jesus said i come to bring fire on the earth which is his baptism of the H.G. and fire....Judgement must began in the house of God...In our hearts and minds etc...I will make a man more precious then Gold...Thus his baptism of the H.G.and Fire.

    ....I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest to them that asked not after me... Hebrews 10:20...The blood of this new Covenant is stronger then anymans sins

    When that book is opened in the fathers right HAND we will all sing a new SONG...We will not sing this churchanity Song much longer...The contents of the book ( the living words of God) is gonna be sown in mans hearts...Abide in me and i in you.

    .....Thats when peter saw a new heaven and a new earth...Which answers to our new heart and new spirit...So Rob i believe that what Jesus did at Calvary is gonna make us all Absolute Sons of God and the very Israel of God.
  • RobLor on Genesis 9 - 1 year ago
    Gen. Chapter 9:5 God commanded NOT to eat of your own kinds blood.

    Look what is happening to our children in these evil days, the so called "elitists" have been trafficking and consuming their blood.

    These evil men and women will be slain by man. So let it be done.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Genesis 1:27, Genesis 9:6, 1Corinthians 15:49, Colossians 1:10-23,
  • T Levis - In Reply on Leviticus 23 - 1 year ago
    Living soul, Genesis 2:7, Genesis 9:5, Isaiah 11:6-9,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study
  • T Levis - In Reply on Mark 16 - 1 year ago
    There are believers that believe they also minister to creatures. Interestingly there are many events in Scripture that show obedience to GOD ALMIGHTY & even accountability. Starting with Genesis 9:5, Proverbs 12:10, 1Samuel 6:7-15, 1Kings 13, Numbers 22, Daniel 6, Isaiah 65:25, Isaiah 11:6-9,

    James 1:5-7,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The Bible mentions twins when they're born in the lineage of Noah, starting in Genesis, therefore I would think consistently it would mention, if triplets, Joan of Ark, I know nothing about, thought it was a movie. However Noah is written about starting in Genesis 5:28-32, ending in Genesis 9, Genesis 9:24 younger son,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Don - 2 years ago
    Why I believe the KJV is God's chosen translation of divine truth: Psalm 119:89; Psalm 12:6-7; Mark 13:31 openly declare that God by divine fiat ordained the perpetuity of his perfect Word through human history. Just like his ordination of Genesis 9:11 regarding the flood, so is his ordination of his Word of truth. You see, expressions such as truth, perfection, and holiness are in the purest sense equal terms, and are elemental to the very character of the Godhead. Inside God's divine perfection there is a subtle law that says the shortcoming of human depravity cannot possibly be relied upon to postulate a perfect condition which supersedes itself. The notion that imperfection has power to fully decipher perfection is utterly impossible. It would be asking God's omniscience to step aside for imperfection's encryption of truth-a vain attempt which, if pursued, becomes the spiritual violation called pride. Imperfect translators cannot perfectly unravel perfection. Without God's divine ordination, that positional reverse makes such imperfect decryption from behind the Divine curtain tantamount to salvation through the genius of human works. Such reasoning flies in the face of Divine truth. But there's more: Since God ordained his choice for each human generation, he would certainly perpetually identify it. Since humanity at large has a rational intuition toward our Creator, they will naturally identify their translation of choice. For over 400 years they have identified the KJV alone as their top choice. Also, the NKJV is not a new translation (it rather declares itself to be a correction of the KJV), then the KJV and the NKJV combined places the KJV translation far and away humanity's favorite. All other translators might consider renaming their translations as commentaries. If another translator also claims theirs to be God ordained, the question arises as to why God would perfect what he has already made perfect 400 years ago?
  • Anthony Mazio - In Reply - 2 years ago
    'There is more Scripture objectively condemning the use of alcoholic beverages than will be found on the subjects of lying, adultery, swearing, cheating, hypocrisy, pride, or even blasphemy.

    1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

    2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality

    3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.

    4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

    5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.

    6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

    7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

    8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

    9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

    10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.

    11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.

    12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.

    13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated

    14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.

    15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.

    16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord's anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.

    17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

    18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

    19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

    20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty.

    21) Proverbs 23:29-30 -
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Jermainian.

    Genesis 9:4. tells us life is the blood. So the moment a woman conceived that life begins.

    "BUT FLESH WITH THE LIFE THEREOF, WHICH IS THE BLOOD" thereof, shall ye not eat.

    Now here's the penalty when we shed that blood. ( Take life )

    And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

    Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Genesis 9:5-6.

    Now rape is a sin and that rapist will be judged also if he don't receive Christ.

    Now that leaves the woman and child who God foreknow.

    This child is in the wound and haven't done good or bad, No one has the right to take that life because of the sinful act of that rapist. The Lord can fashion that life as he did Paul who said he's the chief of sinners and he didn't deserve to be called an apostle.

    God can certainly do something with that innocent child.

    Genesis 9:7. And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 9 - 2 years ago
    It's considered that, because they are one. Genesis 9:21-27, Leviticus 18:6,7, Leviticus 18:8, Leviticus 18,

    Could also mean "his" belonging to, part of, etc.

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Linda on Genesis 9 - 2 years ago
    To uncover your father's nakedness is to sleep with his wife
  • Free - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi dear "John" it is very interesting to read in the Old Testament. And look how old they were at that time? Genesis 9:29 God bless u and yours. Stay strong in Gods word and Fight the good fight friend and read on, get to know your Lord. :) Love u in Christ. 1Timothy 6:12
  • Giannis - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Sorry, Genesis 9:1-5
  • Giannis - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 9:8-11
  • John anonymous - In Reply on Leviticus 1 - 2 years ago
    I inadvertently neglected to mention, the Scripture Passage where God spoke to Noah has been gleaned from Genesis 9:2
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    After Noah's flood. ( Genesis 9:8-10)
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Romans 1 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 1:28, Genesis 9:11, Romans 1:17-32, 2Peter 3:9,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • John anonymous - In Reply on Psalms 2 - 2 years ago
    Peace to you.

    For what it may be worth:

    "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." Genesis 9:3-6

    "...blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it." Numbers 35:33

    According to John Chapter 9, sinners can be born in the flesh again (and their blood can be shed so the land can be cleansed).
  • John anonymous - In Reply - 2 years ago
    For what it may be worth:

    Consider the beast described in Job Chapter 41:

    Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

    Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.

    His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

    Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

    He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

    Said beast appears to predate modern animals because he is not subject to the following curse:

    "...the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered." Genesis 9:2

    Happy hunting...
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 2 years ago
    Part 2

    This isolation and repetition of a closed system of gene transmission would produce characteristics specific to each isolated people groups that distinguished them from other isolated groups. This would lead to different "races". But in reality, humans are all one race with consistent variations of characteristics that distinguish them as only human, just like the variations in horses are present but they are all horses, though different breeds created either through natural genetic transmission between an isolated group or manipulated by man.

    We are all humans created by God possessing the His image in a way that is not well explained in Scripture. Knowing that we all have this quality placed in us by God we can understand that we are different than the animals in abilities and in intrinsic value. This is why God emphasizes to us to value and protect human life and to avoid ending anyone's life through murder or gross negligence. He says this to Noah ( Genesis 9:6) and through Moses ( Exodus 20:13) and through Jesus ( Matthew 5:21-22).

    Jesus even expands this commandment by not actual murder, but by hating another or dehumanizing another person.

    We are to love our neighbor as ourselves and do good to others, avoiding harming them. We are to be compassionate and caring towards others regardless of their "looks", ethnicity, or status. We are to be welcoming of those that are not from our "area", treating them justly.


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