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The problem was Noah's conduct while uncovered as the Bible 'uncovered' means more than just this. But Ham dishonoured his father by watching and then reporting this to his brothers. This gave an indication of that was to come from Ham's line. His brothers went in backwards and without looking they covered their father. By watching it is dishonouring and alomost gloating. As Jesus did not watch the woman accused of adultery in the NT, he instead bent down and gave his words, without looking wbut drew his fingers into the sand. It is one thing to know, but to watch with pleasure at someone's downfall, The curse from Noah is not the ranting of an angry man, but a prophecy and this came true as in the city of Jehrico leading into Caanan, a wicked and sinful city as archeologists now attest to .

Dear Jean, Leviticus 18:10 tells you not to uncover your son's daughters nakedness, and it is as uncovering your own. This is something that God has commanded, and proper dress with modesty is very important to God. True if Noah had not become drunken, he would never have been uncovered. Wine is a mocker, and whoever drinks to get drunk is not wise. This however does not excuse what happened, but it is a lesson to all of us of the dangers of wine. God is holy, and he commands his people to be holy as he is.

I'd like to know if it was prohibited by the law to see the nakedness of someone else. If is so, please send me a biblical reference.

He that kill by sword, by sword shall the same be killed has been the rule laid down by God as at the time He did same Noal and family from the death of the flood. So physically and, or spiritually the law remains latent and active!! To this effect, humanbeing should be mindful of what they do, the way they do act, how they speak and so on, so as not to become a subject to death.

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

What is the difference between every moving thing that liveth, and flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof?

And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

I agree with Miriam's query - Why was Cannan cursed?

And for the record - SLAVES are found in every race.

I will avenge the blood of the murdered upon the murderer. When God requires the life of a man at the hand of him that took it away unjustly, he cannot render that, and therefore must render his own in lieu of it, which is the only way left of making restitution.



what does it mean?

Also, remember Ham had Cush,Mizraim,Phut, and Canaan. So, just Canaan was cured to be a servant of servants, it says nothing about his other sons, for all we know they could have intermarried, and still have been darker skinned, and not slaves.

Well, everyone thinks that this pretains to black people. The fact is we really don't know. there have been many people that have been slaves, this account says nothing about skin color. Aslo, he curses Caanan.....Caanan is the youngest son of Ham. He had Cush, and Puthnam, and another son. So if that be the case, what skin color did all these have? Exactly, you dont know! And if it turns out they were darker skinned, they could have ended up being dark skinned asians!!

Glad I was able to help. Didn't mean to come off as agruementive. But I learned that the best commentator of the Bible is the Bible - comparing spiritual things with spiritual ( 1 Cor. 2:13). Lexicons, concordances, Hebrew/Greek interlinears etc. are not spiritual. Those are man's take on God's words. For example, in Genesis 1:28, the word "replenish". A lot of fundamentalists say that word should read "filled" instead of "replenished", as the Bible says. Their reasoning for this is because they don't believe that God is telling Adam to re-populate the Earth. They appeal to the Webster's 1828 dictionary for the definition. While it is true that replenish can mean to initially "fill", it does mean to "re" fill, you still can't take that away, like in refinish, refurbish,re-do, etc. You put a "re" in front of something, that means to do something again that was done before. But when you force replenish in the AV to mean "fill", you're missing a lot of commentary the Holy Spirit is trying to show you. There's a reason the King James translators translated the Hebrew word as replenish, instead of fill. If you look at Genesis 9:1, God gave Noah the same commission as Adam.The population of the earth was destroyed during Noah's flood, and God gave Noah a commission to repopulate it. The Hebrew word for replenish in Gen. 1:28 and 9:1 is the same word back in Gen 1:22,yet the translators used fill that time instead of replenish. Now critics of the King James Bible would call this an "unfortunate translation", and insist that replenish be changed to fill in all 3 verses. If you look in a modern translation like the NIV, NASV, HCSB etc you'll see they did change replenish to fill. But the Holy Spirit makes this distinction in the KJB for a reason, because as I said above, God gave the same commission to Noah after the earth's population was destroyed through the flood.

Man has dominon over all things, even the FISH - However, GOD destroys everything that has the BREATH of LIFE, leaving the FISH alone.

PEOPLE OF A DARK SKIN (CANAAN)- Whether we like it or not; Slavery was mentioned - And has been fulfilled.

Note that it was "the nakedness of his father." If we let the Bible interpret this for us, we read in Leviticus 18:8 that this means his mother! But, we know that the curse fell on Canaan because he was the one who had done the action, Ham did not restrain him or discipline him, though. We should be able to imagine what Canaan did that disrupted the family structure there. If not, we can see the types of things that Canaanites were known for in Lev. 18 (see verse 24 and 25).
It is poor exigesis that claims a curse upon people of a certain physical characteristic is valid, when it is obvious who was cursed.

what did Canaan do to Noah, doesn't it say Ham saw his father(Noah) naked? So when Noah woke up, did he punish Canaan for what Ham had done?

There was no race all men spoke the same language
That is until they built the tower of Babel. But if one want's to be technical all the son's of ham cover country in the meddle east and Africa.

Dear Randy, I felt exactly the way you feel about chapter 9 until I read chapter 10 and 11.
That is where you will find the answer to your question.

Love the comentary but the statement the poor negroes, where does the scripture say anything about different sking color yet? and how do we not Hams decendants lived in Africa? Thanks