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Chapter 22 & 23 He saw his father nakedness do they mean he saw his father wife ?

In Old Testament days there was no real cooling for meat. The danger was food poisoning; mold etc.

I saw an entire 4 story office get ptomaine (sp) food poisoning because they left the chili sitting out all night. I had a sink in my dark room.... it was brutal. My boss used it.

Not me. I skipped lunch that day.

Always ask Jesus to bless and sanctify the food clean, to be consumed.

In the rooms past history pages(1-100) at the bottom, there's a google story about the sanctions President Trump put on Chinese exported meats and foods; is because they test positive for swine flu. Everybody get a flu shot this year. Pray over that bacon!

I've also thought of this before and was lead to these other things in the Bible:

Romans 14:1-6

1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Also verse 14:

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Mark 7:18-20

18 And he(Jesus) saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Along with the post, verse, you wrote which was God speaking to Noah. It is just my belief that the whole thing about "unclean" animals was just something made up by the pharisees. Of coarse I cannot proove this but I don't think any food or meat is really unclean. As we have these other verses backing this up. Today it seems we have all this GMO stuff which I don't like. I try to stay away from it but I don't feel guilty if I eat something with it. Hope this helps. God Bless.

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. ? Wait. I thought we could only eat the clean animals?

Genesis 9:4 Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Exodus 24:8 Moses took the blood and dashed it on the people, and said, 'See the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.'

Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations, in all your settlements: you must not eat any fat or any blood.

Leviticus 7:26 - 27 You must not eat any blood whatever, either of bird or of animal, in any of your settlements. Any one of you who eats any blood shall be cut off from your kin.

Leviticus 17:10 - 12 [ Eating Blood Prohibited ] If anyone of the house of Israel or of the aliens who reside among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut that person off from the people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel: No person among you shall eat blood, nor shall any alien who resides among you eat blood.

Leviticus 17:14 For the life of every creature-its blood is its life; therefore I have said to the people of Israel: You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.

Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:24 He said to them, 'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20 And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

John 6:54 - 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.

My cousin had 6 toes. And yes we have giants today as big as some of those in the bible. Some over 7 feet tall.

Look it up tallest humans ever recorded in google.

Jesus is God is not a figure of speech 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. GOD WITH US.

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE

How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)

Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)

Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.

Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, ....

You can Google Noah's wife. Look at Wikipedia. Apparently her name is in other religious manuscripts that were not canonized into the Bible. If it's not in a genealogy listing, you may not see it.

Again, female names are not always recorded in Bible genealogy. She existed to be sure. She had 3 sons with Noah. She was recorded of the 8 persons on the ark.

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Speaking on Noah drinking a wee too much wine; is he to be condemned by us for that?! He was in HIS bedroom. Why did his sons enter the bedroom after seeing he was nude? Two sons tried to cover his nakedness and 1 son broke out in announcing what state his father abode! Rude! They don't make lamps big enough for his head!

We give people a hand up instead of calling the whole town in for a look.

Greg is totally right and here is more proof

Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

...And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness:...

Looking at them naked? I do not think so...

This would easily make sense of this was the step mom of Ham.

This may or may not be true of step mom, it might actually have been his mother

Leviticus 20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. (this shows you this is talking about intercourse as to time of the month for a woman)

Leviticus 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.

Leviticus 18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

I think Greg is wrong here. I think it was as simple as it reads when Ham barges in on a drunk and naked Noah and his other sons walk in respectfully backwards and cover him up. No mention of Mrs Noah so best not to add to scripture and paint a wrong picture. Virtually no people on earth and poor Noah still can't get a bit of privacy.

Don't over read scripture, Noah was drunk and alone in his tent. His boys walked backward and covered him up . The wife was nowhere around. In a world with virtually no people Noah still couldn't get some privacy. The wine can make you say things you may regret.

I am not claiming anything, just pointing out the silence on the Bible on who is the wife of Noah.

possibly this was Ham's stepmom is all. Of course it could be his mother, just the Bible is silent on the exact specifics is all.

That's an interesting interpretation Greg. I understand Lev 18:8 but how do you fit in Gen 9:23 to this event, again speaking about the father?

Bob Hilt,

I am unaware of any more than one wife of Noah.

Scripture states that Noah and his "wife" ( Genesis 7:7, 13) went into the Ark.

Specifically 8 (Adamic) souls were saved upon the Ark ( 1 Peter 3:20).

That would be Noah, his wife, their 3 sons, and the three sons wives.

Is there any Scripture to back up what you are claiming?

Most daughters are not named in Genealogy unless they are of the bloodline of Jesus.

Some women are named because it ties to the Story of Jesus; or prophesy.

Greg, well written and explained. one thing more Ham could have done it with what could have been a step mother.

Yes the sin of Ham and Canaan. I always found it strange with all the begats in the bible that the mothers of Noah's kids are not mentioned.

Bob,

What Ham did in his father's tent is fully explained and clarified by the laws given to Moses and written in the Book of Leviticus. The entire 18th chapter should be read for full understanding, but for emphasis; verse 8 will be highlighted below.

( Lev 18:8)

"The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness."

The act of seeing the nakedness of your father is, therefore, to have intercourse your father's wife. The transgression of Ham was the act of sleeping with Noah's wife. In this case, Noah's wife was also Ham's own mother.

So it is that when Noah was "uncovered within his tent ( Genesis 9:21), it was the wife of Noah who was actually violated, not Noah. Further documentation and clarification is also given concerning this type of transgression in the Book of Deuteronomy, where it is stated that; "Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt" ( Deuteronomy 27:20), also look at ( Deuteronomy 22:30).

As is stated in Genesis 9:18; "Ham is the father of Canaan." It is now plain to see that the transgression of Ham was the act of lying with his mother, and the result of that act was the birth of Canaan.

After 111 years and some, Noah needed a drink and probably enjoyed it a bit too much. He shouldn't have said that about his son and and its also a lesson in respecting peoples privacy and knock first instead of always barging in. You may just walk in on your naked dad which is something you can't unsee. Its important for us to think first before opening our mouths otherwise you may even curse your own children. God created all things by speaking and because we were made in His image and likeness our words are powerful too and have a lasting effect.

I personally view this is noah was with his wife enjoying each other when ham walked in.

Trinity is not a Bible word, but Godhead is

Are the body, soul and spirit are the same thing

questions for a oneness or watchtower (Jehovah's witless) devotee



1 Thess 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)

Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)

Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.

Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

.... dividing asunder of soul and spirit, (the word of God divides the soul and spirit)

so the Bible ALONE teaches man has a body and a soul and a spirit = 3 parts = 1 man

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE

How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?

Jeffrey you do not believe in the Godhead?

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

...God was manifest in the flesh...

Trinity is not a Bible word, but Godhead is Are the body, soul and spirit are the same thing

questions for a oneness devotee



1 Thess 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)

Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)



Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.



Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)



Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,...

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE?

How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?

Because there may be a time when some Christians will be on the front line in defense of righteousness and human life.Being prepared shows forethought with purpose and resolve.Man's responsibility to execute judgement/and govern was first in Genesis 9:5&6, death to murders of human life.

Chris,

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I did not answer one of your initial questions concerning Noah and the Ark and who we are descendants from if only 8 souls aboard the Ark survived ( 1 Peter 3:20). Disclaimer: This might get lengthy and bring in other topics that may not be a part of mainstream Christian conclusions, so to speak. I am giving you a lot of info. I have a lot of time on my hands lately. Thanks for reading.

There are various ideas about how all races are still on the earth if the flood of Noah's time destroyed all life. What does Scripture say?

I would start by turning to Genesis 6:19. "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

Our Father is letting us know that not only were there the eight Adamic souls ( 1Peter 3:20) instructed to enter the ark; Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives ( Genesis 6:18), but the command by God was to also bring two of "every living thing of ALL FLESH," which would include the other races of humans, on to the ark with him. They were to be brought "male and female" so that a seed line or remnant of these different races would remain after the flood.

The word "flesh" is derived from the Hebrew word "basar" (baw-sawr). It is used 27 times in the Book of Genesis. Only once is the word not identified with a human being in the Book of Genesis, look at Genesis 9:4. Of the 271 total times the word "flesh" is mentioned in the O.T., the Hebrew word "basar" (baw-sawr) is utilized for 257 of them, and is almost always representing human beings. When the word "flesh" does not represent man, it is easily identified as food; hence meat of some sort, whether living, raw, or cooked, as it does for the first time in ( Ex 12:8), also look at ( Ex 16:3, 8, 12, Lev 4:11, 18:7, etc.).

Roberta, the Bible does permit us to eat meat, if we wish to. The first recorded permission to do so in found in Genesis 9:1-4. However, the caveat on that was that they were allowed to eat the flesh but not the blood. It isn't clear on that requirement - it may have later implications as the heathen used the blood of animals as part of their diet.

In Genesis 9:3 it is written that: "I have given them to you for food, just as I have given you grain and vegetables." But you must never eat any meat that still has the life blood in it. If a wild animal kills a human-being, that animal must die. I hope this answer helps you to better understand. God Bless!

Doesn't something in your spirit kinda twist your gut when someone says people don't need the gospel to be preached because their name is in the Lambs book already because of pre-destination?

What if....(I love that game) heaven lost your reservation and your luggage?

Why did Jesus tell his disciples to go ye??

Mark 6:15-20

Who told you about Jesus? That you are a sinner that would bust hell wide open if ya don't get saved?

The Holy Spirit doesn't do it the same way every time.

Proverbs 11:30> the fruit of the righteous is a Tree of Life; and he that wins souls is wise.

Killing an animal is not a sin, as long as it is killed for food & not for sport or for a trophy. Animals, along with plants have been given to us by God for food. See Gen 9:2, Ex 12; Jn 21:12,13; Acts 10:9-15 are some examples.

God gave us animals to eat. Most societies make us get permits to hunt on state or federal lands. Find out the laws or ordinances in your area.

Is killing animal a sin