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(Hebrews Part 21):

Hebrews 10:19 - Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

That's the holy of holies in heaven.

Now in Verses 19 through 25, it speaks about the sufficiency of the provision of Christ. From the Greek text, there are what are called three Hortatory Subjunctives. In the Greek, a subjunctive presents a possibility or probability or purpose. A Hortatory Subjunctive is an encouragement that's in the Subjunctive Mood, and it's translated by the English "Let us."

It almost sounds like it's a command but it isn't. It's an encouragement. And there are three of them, and I'll point them out as I go through Verses 19 through 25.

Hebrews 10:22 - Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Here is our first encouragement: Let us draw near. And notice what he says, with a true heart, genuine, sincere, in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and that's an allusion to the sprinkling of the blood over the mercy seat. Our consciences have been sprinkled from an evil conscience. And our bodies washed with pure water.

Those last two are ceremonies that the priests had to go through in order to enter into the presence of God. So, he's saying, using the shadows, spiritually speaking, with boldness, come into the holy of holies in heaven into the presence of Christ because of our high priest, because of the place where He is, because of the provision made for us, our evil consciences have been sprinkled with blood, our bodies washed with pure water, in symbolic form of what He's done for us in the Spirit.

He's saying let us draw near. We should draw near, not stay away for fear of the God of the Old Covenant who is a consuming fire. So, the first encouragement is draw near. Verse 23 is the second encouragement.

(Hebrews Part 20):

Hebrews 9:10 - Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Reformation in Greek means restoring that which is crooked, or to make straight that which is crooked, which will be completed at the second coming of Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Sanctified is a verb form of the word holy. HAGIOS is the Greek word for holy. It's also the word for saint. It's not the word for holy in the sense of purity, but holy in the sense of position. It means to be set apart. For instance, the vessels in the temple were said to be holy and set apart for God's use. But that didn't mean that they weren't scratched or dented or didn't have flaws. It meant their position and use was set apart for God's use.

When the Holy Spirit comes into our lives, it's the word holy. Holy is an adjective. He's the Holy Spirit of God. He's the Holy Spirit of Christ. Holy is an adjective that describes what kind of Spirit He is. He's set apart. He only belongs to God, He only represents God, and He only does the things of God. He doesn't do the common things outside of God's will because He's the Spirit of God.

When the Holy Spirit comes into my spirit, or my soul, I am then called a saint. It's the same word (HAGIOS). Once His Spirit comes into my life, I am set apart for Him. I'm not a saint because of my performance. Whether a Christian understands it or not, that's where our biggest struggle is. God already has us set apart for His purposes, but we keep trying to go the other way. We keep trying to do our purposes. Our struggle is more with the Lord than it is with Satan.

The verb form (HAGIADZO) that represents the coming of the Holy Spirit into my life, that's called my sanctification. I have been set apart. A saved person is sanctified, and everybody that is sanctified has been perfected, completed!

Hi Lionheart.

In John 5:38-40 we have Jesus speaking to the Pharisees.

And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Jesus is referring to the old testament scriptures. The new testament haven't been recorded yet.

I mention this because the old testament/covenant established under the Levitical priesthood was a foreshadowing of the new covenant that Christ brought in on the cross.

So you see, the Gospel of salvation is mentioned throughout the Bible starting with Genesis. Most notably ( Genesis 3:15 )

You may be able to parallel John 5:38-40 with Hebrews 10:5-10.

Here's just a few notable verses.

Genesis 22:16-18.

Galatians 3:6-9.

Galatians 3:16-19.

John 3:16-18.

Acts 4:12.

Romans 10:9-11.

Ephesians 2:8-10.

Revelation 22:17.

I hope this helps.

God bless you.

Amen Richard.

I believe Hebrews 10:22-31 sums up much of what you stated when referring to a believer.

Blessings

Hello Timmywynne. There are many Scriptures that point to the Triune Nature of God, and specifically, that Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit are revealed to us from the very Being of God the Father. When we think of the Trinity, we know we won't find that word in the Bible, as it is purely a descriptive word of what the Bible declares to be the fullness of God's Being. So to the verses you seek, and you will need to read them fully in your Bible.

Of Jesus Christ: Isaiah 9:6,7 (an Old Testament Prophecy); Micah 5:2 & John 1:1-14 (from everlasting); Matthew 1:22,23; Mark 2:5-7; John 8:56-58; John 16: 27,28; John 17:4,5; John 20:27,28; Philippians 2:5-7; Colossians 1:15-17; Colossians 2:9; 1 Timothy 3:16; Titus 3:13; Hebrews 1:1-3; Hebrews 1:8-10; 1 John 5:7; 1 John 5:20.

Of the Holy Spirit: Matthew 12:31; Luke 1:34,35; Luke 11:13; John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:7-11; Acts 5:3; Acts 8:29; Acts 13:4; Romans 8:14; Romans 8:26,27; 1 Corinthians 2:10-14; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 10:29; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 John 5:6.

The above are a few Scriptures that point to the deity of Jesus Christ & God's Spirit: all showing that they don't work independently from God, but have been sent out from God, from God's Being, to accomplish His Purposes in the world. And we know that Jesus, as the Word of God clothed with humanity, is the very expression of God to the world ( John 14:9; 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 John 4:2). Hope these will help you in your study of this very important doctrine. Blessings.

Day 28 January 28, 2025 Matthew 18:19-20 KJV Unity in Prayer West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar

Me being a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles California

Matthew 18:19 KJV

My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

" When done and praying is showing God as holy to believe. Principle-Holy to all religions. Always performaning righteousness, holiness in actions "to do it" of God, to have faith, hope, love is unity"

Confirmation to all the world. Confirmation is of the Gospel performing of miracle. Trusting in Jesus intercession asking in prayer. A guaranteed result I have received being Christian is utterance of the spirtual man.Accord with Jesus Christ God the Father Romans 6:23 KJV." Quoted on prayers being done must be of God expedient, earnest, faithful, preserving."

Expedient definition- serves to promote or advance any means which may be employed to accomplish an end.

Matthew 18:20 KJV

My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:

" Associated scripture Hebrews 10:25 KJV. Jesus in the midst is Psalm 19:4 KJV to be pleasing in his sight 1 John 3:22 KJV. Jesus Christ is omnipresence amd omniscience to all the world. Quoted on blessing on united, congregational prayer. Jesus want you to have the gift of the Holy Ghost-cordial and sincere. Receiving the blessings -When speaking to have the presence of Christ is true and mighty Psalms 21:6 KJV Communion with his church as real. Speaking in advancement of position Psalms 16:11 KJV

Quoted: Measure is in believing the holy bible-Jesus Christ is life to follow. "

Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY

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Hello Fuji. Yes, reading through John 6:26-60, one could easily assume that Jesus spoke about His actual Flesh & Blood that had to be consumed; and the disciples themselves were astonished & probably confused by such words ( John 6:60). I understand that the RCC believe & teach that the physical emblems of bread & wine mystically convert to Christ's actual Body & Blood ("Christ's Presence" as they call it) when consecrated to God (transubstantiation). And of course, that would mean that Christ would have to be sacrificed every time the eucharist takes place. The belief is that for present cleansing of all sin, Christ's Body must be remembered & partaken of. And how can it be partaken of, except by death (even in the mystical sense), though as I understand it, the RC doesn't believe that those converted elements represent His death again.

We read clearly in Hebrews 10:1-12 what the writer was bringing out when comparing the sacrifices conducted by the Jewish priests to that of our great High Priest. And particularly, verse 3, "But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year", when we also read verses 10 to 12, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once (for all). And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God".

So we see here that Christ's Sacrifice was, and could only be made once, & this one Sacrifice alone was absolutely sufficient to deal with all of mankind's sins. And of course, the cleansing we speak of, is what God does by forgiving us, on the basis of His acceptance of His Son's Perfect & Complete Work at Calvary. Onto Page 2.

Hey Jesse,

I hope you don't mind brother.

Your posts are helpful, I understand how long it would be on this site with 2000 characters to go verse by verse, but what you do should inspire us to study all the verses around what you post. The conscience: I understand what you are saying but I understand it a little differently. I understand our conscience which is sometimes called our heart, Proverbs 4:23, is a gift God gave us to help us overcome the curse that we received when Adam and Eve ate that fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

The law and sacrifices could not cleanse our conscience, and we have been told to guard our conscience. When we repent and are born again our conscience is cleaned Hebrews 9:13-14, Hebrews 10:22 and when we slip, we are given confidence if we repent it is cleaned by the blood of Christ, 1 John 1:9. Our conscience and our mind are separate, Titus 1:15.

Our subconscious mind learns from experiences without us being aware of it. It processes information and makes connections effortlessly. We operate 80 to 90 percent with this part of our mind. This kind of learning affects our actions and choices without us consciously realizing it. My thoughts, this is the part of us that is attracted by the world, the part of our flesh that is tempted.

Our conscience can be weak and defiled 1 Corinthians 8:7 and seared like in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 and our minds can become so corrupt 2 Timothy 3:8, that God can turn us over to a reprobate mind Romans 1:28. I feel people can get to a point where their conscience is dead, and they live on the instinct of their subconscious mind for just survival in this earthly world. But there is always hope, I have seen where people have been restored and their conscience cleansed and made alive again, Jesus's blood can wash away all sins.

This is just me, but I believe our conscience is the spirit of man, Zechariah 12:1 1 Corinthians 2:11.

Keep up the good work and God bless,

RLW

Hi Brother Chris and Jesse.

Here's what I find that may or may not be significant.

In Acts 7:56 the word for standing I believe is "histemi"

A prolonged form of a primary word stao (of the same meaning and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively) used in various applications (literally or figuratively): - abide appoint bring continue covenant establish hold up lay present set (up) stanch stand (by forth still up).

Mark 14:62 and Luke 22:69

Christ is "sitting" refers to the fact that His work of redemption is done.

Hebrews 10:12-13.

"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

In Luke 22:69 Jesus states "Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God" and then they ask him "Art thou then the Son of God? ( They understood his claim to sit on the right hand of the power of God makes him God.)

And he said unto them, (I am.)

And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.

They accused him of Blasphemy!

God's right hand" refers to the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ, and He is of equal position, honor, power, and authority with God!

I may be wrong but I believe there is figurative emphasis on the standing and sitting.

God bless.

Part 3.

God is offering eternal life - everlasting life - to those who believe in Christ. It is not temporary or uncertain. It is not paid for on the installment plan. It is a gift the moment one believes, but for longer than a moment - for eternity.

You may or you may not have the assurance of this salvation that God offers as everlasting life. An anomalous situation exists today. Some Christians believe in the security of the believer but do not themselves have the assurance of their salvation; "My brethren, these things ought not so to be" ( James 3:10), but they do exist.

God wants you to know that you are His child through faith in Jesus Christ:

But as many as received him, to them gave he power [the right] to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name; who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. ( John 1:12, 13)

It is not honoring to Him for you to have misgivings, doubts, and a lack of assurance. "Maybe" and "perhaps" should not be in the vocabulary of a born-again Christian when the matter of salvation is the subject. It is not a "hope so" but a "know so" salvation that God offers. It is always described as everlasting or eternal life; it is not temporary or conditional. Listen to God and be assured:

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:12-13

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:22.

This is not the language of uncertainty. There is a remarkable passage in this connection expressed in Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

See part 4.

Mark 9:43-48 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Read More...)

Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Psalms 145:20 - The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Read More...)

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Luke 16:19-31 - There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: (Read More...)

Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him

COME LORD JESUS

Hey Jesse,

Thanks, brother the study of the feasts is an eye-opening study, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Firstfruits, Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, that have been fulfilled and there are three that have yet to be fulfilled, Feast of the Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles.

Passover, Jesus fulfilled it down to the day, and to the hour. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the same day the lambs were to be taken up (moneychangers). Jesus was crucified on the morning of the 14th of Nisan and died at the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed and put in the tomb before the sunset. There is other things Jesus fulfilled that Passover day, the Tamid sacrifice, the beginning and the end or you could say the first and the last of the daily sacrifices and worship.

Jesus and his apostles after the Last Supper went into the garden of Gethsemane and there Jesus was taken to Annas and then Caiaphas, then early that morning to Pilate to be judged where no fault was found in Him. At the same time this was going on, the priest tied the first Tamid lamb to the altar and inspected it to make sure there were no blemishes.

Jesus was nailed to the cross at the third hour, 9 AM same time the first Tamid lamb was sacrificed and placed on the altar, this started the first hour of prayer. The sixth hour, the last Tamid lamb was tied to the alter and darkness fell over the land until the ninth hour the second hour of prayer, the last Tamid lamb was sacrificed at 3 PM and placed on top of all the sacrifices the people did for sins that day, at the same time Jesus cried out and gave up the ghost.

Jesus, the first and the last was the perfect and final sacrifice, like the first Passover freed Israel from the captivity of Egypt Jesus freed us of the captivity of sin and with His blood covered our sins that the Tamid lambs could not do, Hebrews 10:4-12.

There is much more in these feasts to see, thanks for pointing them out.

God bless,

RLW

Hi again Gideon.

I would like to expound a little more on your statement saying, "you know how to get saved and it's hard for you because you're scared and nervous about it"

Here's why I asked you for clarity on that statement..

There's some hold to a legalistic viewpoint when coming to God for salvation.

In the Old testament Israel was given the Law and commandments the showed them and the world "Including us" we all have a fallen nature and is need of a savior.

As did the Israelites in the old testament they feared approaching God under that ministry of condemnation.

However, to them and us God provided a savior, our Lord Jesus Christ!

There is no need to fear, we have found mercy in Christ.

Ephesians 2:4-9.

We can now approach the throne of grace and there is no need of fear!

Hebrews 10:19-23 states, "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

And having an high priest over the house of God;

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Romans 10:9 states "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

We confess that are a sinner, turn our hearts to God for his grace and mercy and he is faithful to forgive us.

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"

John 6:37.

God bless you Gideon.

Oseas

Hey brother just one last thing to consider.

Daniel 9:24-27, in this prophecy, there are seventy weeks or 490 years determined unto Daniel's people and the holy city to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Have these 6 things been fulfilled in Jesus the Messiah, and the judgment of it carried out in 70 AD? If so, all of this prophecy has been fulfilled in the past.

1 To finish the transgression. To break or violate, as a law, civil or moral; the act of transgressing. Psalms 32:1 Isaiah 53:5-11 Romans 4:14-15 Galatians 3:18-19 Hebrews 9:14-15.

2 To make an end to sins. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Matthew 1:21 Hebrews 10:8-11 John 1:29 1 Corinthians 15:3 1 John 3:5 Psalm 32:1 Romans 3:21-26 Romans 8:3.

3 To make reconciliation for iniquity. Reconciliation is an element of salvation that refers to the results of the atonement. Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:6 Isaiah 53:11 Romans 5:11 Ephesians 2:16 Titus 2:14 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

4 To bring in everlasting righteousness. In conformity to the demands of the covenant and according to God's will. Isaiah 61:10-11 Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:17-21 2 Corinthians 5:21 1 Peter 2:24.

5 To seal up the vision and prophecy. The greatest prediction, which runs like a golden thread through the whole contents of the Old Testament, is that regarding the coming and work of the Messiah, Jesus. Daniel 9:23 Matthew 11:11-15 Mark 1:14-15 John 5:36-40 John 6:27 Acts 3:18.

6 To anoint the most holy. The high priest went into the holy of holies once a year with the blood of a sacrificed bull. Jesus our high priest with His own blood anointed the most holy not made with hands once and for all, forever. Hebrews 9:6-14.

Jesus said it in John 19:28-30.

God bless,

RLW

Confidence in salvation

QUESTION: Is salvation "one sided" or interactive? On this site; I would expect a unanimous affirmation of the first idea that God and God alone is able to save. I am pretty much in line with "Calvinist" (or I would say BIBLICAL) reasoning; namely that repentance itself is a gift from God and that Christ saves each and every one God has given Him; and no one else.

What I would NOT agree to is that understanding a FORMULA how to be saved; such as memorizing verses such as Romans 10:9-13 or "accepting" Christ as Lord when of course He is Lord whether we ascribe to it or not is sufficient; at least without TRULY believing in our heart as that verse states. What I WOULD say (sorry for the caps for emphasis) is that a relationship is part of KNOWING Christ. This enables us to sense His love as well as His chastisement and discipline so that we not only are aware of the law but sense in our spirit when we are displeasing to Him. In our society today; it is clear to anyone studying our society that family discipline is at an all time low. It is certain that a certain number of homes are ruled through discipline; but many or most invole tyrannical and hypocritical domination and quite often blatent hypocrisy so that we cannot respect that sort of authority. We hear a lot of talk on God's goodness; but His severity isn't very popular today. Of course when kids aren't properly disciplined and trained how to be independent; mature and responsible in this world they end up as they are now.

The Lord does not allow His children to continue in this manner (see 1 Corinthians 13:11). Our character and trustworthiness affects others who may base their faith in God on our actions.

For a true child of God; often we are STRIPPED OF OUR FRIENDS; FAMILY AND SUPPORT SYSTEM. In spite of this we are to follow Hebrews 10:25; even if the Lord calls us elsewhere from our current fellowship we trust Him to provide a new one in His timing.

Psalm 119:49-50, Hebrews 10:19, Psalm 38:22,

Psalm 28:13,

Mat 18:19-20, Mat 8:7, Psalm 31:7, Psalm 147:11,

Psalm 66:16, Psalm 31:19.

God bless you Paul. In Jesus Mighty Name. Alleluia.

Psalm 61:1-4, Hebrews 10:19, Psalm 31:19.

God bless you Robert. In Jesus Name.

Hi Karma.

Mathew 18:20 says "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

A relationship with Christ Is not private, but communal, and the center of a person's relationship with Jesus is in the church. (Not necessarily the local Church but in the presence of other believers.

Read Hebrews 10:16-25.

We are to respond to his invitation and follow Jesus' example of how to live and treat others, giving him first place in your daily life.

A Desciples is someone who follows one's teachings.

In our rebirth Christ gave us his Spirit to guide us out of darkness.

Christ is faithful and said he will never leave you so your faith should be in his work on the cross not your baptism.

We pray to God for strength and wisdom and turn from the things that hinder us.

A Christian can not continue in sin!

God is love but he also is a righteous Judge.

He is rich in mercy forgiving iniquity, transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty;

Our salvation hangs on God's promise once we have believed on his son, Christ Jesus!

Have you truly trusted him in his finish work on the cross?

If so we are persuaded to love his precepts the Brothern.

Keep reading his word and obey him.

God bless.

Hebrews 10:19,

Luke 1:45,

2 Corinthians 5:7.

Hi Jazzmanrd. Not sure whether you're wanting to better understand this phrase in Nehemiah 1:5, or not. In case you are, Nehemiah, in his anguished prayer to God, described how he viewed this mighty God, Who alone could save His people & prosper his (Nehemiah's) request to the Babylonian king, Artaxerxes.

Sometimes, our present understanding of English words have changed as culture & word usage evolves. So here in this verse, Nehemiah describes the Almighty God as "great and terrible". In Hebrew, the word used for 'terrible' is 'yare', which means 'to take fright'. One might think, why should we be frightened or terrified of a God Who is merciful, kind & gracious? Though many Christians today hold only to such a view of God, we know from reading all the Scriptures, that God is also a God of Wrath & of Justice, all within His Glorious Holiness. So, in confronting such a God, anyone whose heart is not right with Him, would do well to tremble & shake in His Presence, even as Nehemiah knew this God Who had the Power to consign all of Israel to destruction for their many sins. Even the Hebrews writer could state, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" ( Hebrews 10:31).

So the word we could use today instead of 'terrible' would be 'awesome', not as the world uses the word, but unto the Living God before Whom we would stand struck with awe in both His Power, but also His great Grace.

Hi GiGi, Richard

About perfectness. I think the Bible uses this word with various meanings

1. Lets see as Richard says Matthew 5:48, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.". Now the verb "be" in grk (esesthai) is in the future tense and denotes an expectation. So what Jesus is actually saying here (as I understand it) is that He expects us to become perfect like God is. Well this is impossible, isn't it? So what He means is that He expects us to strive to be like God (in character). And how is that to be done? By following His commandments, which commandments reveal the character of God to us. And since one aspect (and probably the most important) of God's character is love Jesus asks us to love each other like God does. This is something gradual, isn't it? It is something that we keep aquiring through our whole life.

If we compare it with Hebrews 5:8,9, "8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Here Jesus iwas made perfect by obeying God's commandments.

So perfectness again here means a whole route/course that we follow in our lives during which, by following God's commandements/directions we keep growing spiritually and getting to be like God in character more and more.

2. But in Hebrews 10:14, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified", the word perfect has a different meaning. It means the one who has no sins. So we were perfected by Jesus' Blood, that is we are righteous through His sacrifice.

3. In Hebrews 11:38-40 says, "39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."

Here perfectness is something that we will aquire in Heaven when we will be dressed up with our new spiritual body, completely freed from sin, death etc

That was of the Lord's doing Bennymkje that you were delivered from the bondage & errors of the cult & I think there are many more that have likewise been touched to depart those deceivers of the Word.

Though you brought up a matter of the sacrifices still to be carried out during the Millenium. There has been varied opinions about this (I don't know how that group understood it), seeing that the Lamb of God Who was sacrificed for all will be on the Throne for all to behold. I believe that those old sacrifices could never take away sin ( Hebrews 10:11,12), only God's provision of His Lamb could. Yet, what are we to make of Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 and other portions? Could it be emblematic: that which was meticulously followed in days of old could only look forward to a coming One Who would deal with the disease of sin forever? That the Christ Who will be before them on the Throne, still with the marks of His Suffering & Death, is the fulfilment of all that was performed before Him? Just as we have the bread & the wine today as a memorial looking back at the Cross, maybe these future sacrifices serve as a memorial looking forward to the Blessed One sacrificed for them, Who is now in their presence. Only a thought on my part as I too try to understand the reason for the need for such sacrifices in the coming Kingdom; I could be entirely wrong in this & always open to other thoughts.

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Your second question: "If Jesus was preexisting, an immortal being, God the son. How can an immortal being die?" There are varying beliefs about Jesus' position in Heaven prior to His incarnation. I rather simply accept John 1:1-18, John 14:10,11, John 16:27,28, 1 John 5:7, that Jesus came forth from God. Did He come out as a Divine Being in the presence of God, to be made a human for the sake of death, or did God take His Own Word & give Him flesh for this very purpose? We don't have a problem of God sending out His Spirit & the Spirit's indwelling in every believer (can He even be dissected?), but to send His Word out, clothe Him in a body, unnerves many.

"How can an immortal being die? How can God be tempted...How can God die?" God is Spirit - He is Immortal - He can never die. No one, having a spirit from God, can die - the body will perish, but who can destroy the spirit which cannot be touched by age or man's devices? But if the immortal is given a body, as Jesus received, or even as we also have to house our spirits, then the body will die but the spirit lives on. Can God take on flesh? A mystery no human can fully fathom, but truly "a body hast thou prepared me" ( Hebrews 10:5-7, taken from Psalm 40:6-8). So Jesus could be tempted & could die whilst in the body, and so in His complete identification with sinful men in need of salvation, Philippians 2:6-8 reminds us:

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." "thought it not robbery" = Jesus didn't grasp onto/retain His equality with God, but 'emptied Himself' ('ekenosen'), laying aside His Glory, to become a Man, obedient to death that which was the Father's Plan.

The joy of the LORD is my strength! Many times I have to remind myself of the persecutions I will go through and have gone through because of my faith in CHRIST JESUS.

I thank the brethren on this forum for their faithfulness and love for the word and the fellow saints. Stand and be encouraged for as GOD reminds us, this too will pass. These verses have helped me... Hebrews 10:25; 1 Corinthians 10:13; probably one of the hardest for me - Romans 8:28. And many more- I'm sure veteran saints on this forum can add others too.

It is difficult, but we are called to be a blessing to as many as possible without expecting any type of return - horizontally. Our blessing will come vertically, from above,

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Sorry Brethren! didn't mean to be preachy.

GOD to shine HIS blessed face on you and your family during this wonderful time of praising of our SAVIOR.

Merry Christmas and have a prosperous New Year!

December 20, 2023

In reading I am reminded of the contrast between Paul's words and words some Christians say.

Word of God through Paul: "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain." 1 Corinthians 9:24 KJV

Man's doctrine: "Don't run, because you already have the prize. It's bad to put effort into following God, because my pastor says that's legalism and obeying God's law is bad and pleasing God is bad."

James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

Man's doctrine: "nah, ignore that verse, cause I'm told all good works are 'bad'. Bad works are ok though since you're already forgiven."

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

Man's doctrine: "just ignore this verse, but lets cherry pick something else and focus on that instead."

Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Man's doctrine: "Nope, you're already saved right now, not later. So you don't have to endure anything or do anything whatsoever. Just do whatever feels good then rationalize it by saying that's the spirit doing it, not your sinful flesh."

Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

Man's doctrine: "Nah, ignore that verse too. You already have the promise and prize. You don't need to do anything."

"But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" Romans 2:10 KJV

Man's doctrine: "No, just ignore. Good is bad, but bad is fine, because salvation."

Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

Man's doctrine: "Nope"

Are both genuinely following Jesus?

Thedorse,

So true, and I agree with much that you said.

Today, and foe many years now, Preachers don't preach and acknowledge the truth about sin, and everlasting hell, and they are leading their congregations straight down the wide path to hell! Matthew 25:41 James 3:1

We MUST fear God! This is the very beginning of knowledge. Proverbs 1:7

God is Vengeful and He tells us so. Hell is God's way of getting His vengeance. Isaiah 47:3

God knows us better than we could ever imagine. He knows, that if we have NO FEAR to motivate us to change our ways, we will continue in sin. God is also Love. He sacrificed his Son for us so thru Him we can recieved forgivness. He provides His Holy Spirit to break the bonds of sin. Preachers are not helping anyone by not preaching Hell and the fear of God!

If we are still repeatedly sinning..we DO NOT have God's Holy Spirit. Hebrews 10:26 God's Holy Spirit will not let us habitually sin.

Today, most so called Christian Pastors/Preachers are about the money. They don't want to focus on the sin in their congregation, if they do, they will lose their entire congregation. Sinners don't want to hear they are sinners, and they certainly don't want to think or hear about hell, they come to church to feel good about themselves and to be entertained. Churches today are all about making everyone feel good. Sad but true.

Which reminds me of this very powerful verse 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

The plain truth is: Sin keeps us from our God!

GBU

Looks like you have it all backwards. Obey my parents only in the Lord in the new testament. Honour is the old testament.

Ephesians 6:1] Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

[2] Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)

[3] That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

The law Moses' commandments were weak laws, thry could not make people free from sin, they can not make people holy. God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinfulflesh. The law can not make you the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. The law of righteousness the ten commandments Jesus is now the end of all that as he is the head of the Ten commandments for righteousness sake. The old laws were not good enough.

Hebrews 10:[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Hebrews 7:11] If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

[12] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

[13] For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

[14] For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

[15] And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

We are to be holy in Christ Jesus as he is our rest our Sabbath everyday. The Sabbath day keepers are hypocrites as they break the Sabbath everytime they get out of bed and do work. The moment they got out of bed, they broke the Sabbath day. The Sabbath day was a day of rest, when you are resting you are not sinning. Jesus became that rest for us ss the Sabbath day was just a shadow of things to come. None of the Jews could keep the Sabbath, they kept breaking it. Christ is the end of the law of Moses the law of righteousness the Sabbath Day.

Isaiah 56:[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isa.11[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Matthew 11:28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hebrews 10:1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Col 2:16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hi Jesse,

I understand in delays in replies many work and have family responsibilities. This subject is being discussed by several people and I just wanted to share a few points of my understanding on it. The questions were not directed towards you, you can reply to them if you want but they were some of the questions I wrote down when I was studying this subject because some Scriptures seem to support both understandings if not deeply studied, not saying you have not.

Scripture tells us God is love, 1 John 4:8,16 and we have been told God does not have pleasure in the death of the wicked, Ezekiel 33:11 caries us to John 3:16 God does not want us to perish. The Bible tells us the soul that sinneth will die, Ezekiel 18:4 God preserves the souls of the saints Psalms 97:10 the faith and belief in Jesus by the grace of God can save our soul Hebrews 10:39.

Scripture tells us of various degrees of punishment like in Luke 12:46-48 Revelation 21:8. In Genesis 2:7 man became a living soul/being, my understanding is the breath of God is the spirit of life which goes back to God when we die whether lost or saved and this body becomes a dead soul that sleeps in the dust until resurrection then the judgment Revelation 20.

To repeat, eternal life is our promise it is something we do not have, only by faith and belief in Jesus Christ by the grace of God we will receive this gift when we are resurrected not before. If we say our souls are immortal, we are saying we already have eternal life, and it is just where are we going to spend it?

My understanding is the lost and wicked punishment is eternal forever, not the punishing, Satan and the fallen angels the beast and false profit will be tormented day and night for ever and ever as we see in Revelation 20:10, but they are not mortal beings like we are, and we see in Matthew 25:41 it was originally prepared for them.

Just my understanding of Scripture thanks again.

God bless,

RLW

Good evening Shabbat Keeper. Yes a new believer is both justified and sanctified. Hebrews 10:14 . Sanctification will continually be available for our walk as Christians if we believe. As we are more and more sanctified the easier we turn from unwilling sin towards our justified state at the Cross. Life occurrences in the flesh are for all, but sanctification is reserved for the just. We must not resist sanctification, it is God's grace and mercy for His people. There are many scriptures for our sanctification on this very subject so as you said we can learn in many ways in our lives in Jesus. Regarding my earlier thought, we do not want to confuse persecution with sanctification. One is from God and one from man, only man belongs to God so we must consider our justification in all matters of life to be sure what is the perfect Will of God in our very own walk. Maybe another time I can post some of my favorite scriptures on the subject. One last thought: Sanctification means to be set apart for a sacred purpose and it also means to cleanse from all impurities. Time for the body's rest my way.

:)