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Hi Brother Ronald.

Part 1.

As I promised once I settle back at home I would reach out and continue our dialog on the 1st Adam and 2nd Adam.

RECAP.

As I said I don't believe God dwelled "IN" Adam. Below is some of the previous references below.

The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple.

( 1 Corinthians 3:16. )

( Hebrews 10:14-22. )

Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of ( 1 John 3:9. )

Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- ( 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. )

Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a

( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give us eternal life.

Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was made a living soul. So is our 1st birth.

Here is a quote from part 1 of your reply:

"When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.

If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12)." End quote.

In part 2 I will address the view I hold on Adam and Eve being naked.

See Part 2.

Thank you.

Thank You Jesus for all the testimonies of Salvation, Deliverance, and Healing to come.

By Your grace, for Your glory.Alleluia.

Strengthen us Lord.

Hebrews 10:19 kjv: Having therefore, brethren,boldness to enter

into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Part one,

S Spencer, brother thank you for your caring and your support to the brothers and sisters on this site. I understand this subject is off-limits to many and I thank you for your answer. I understand as Christian's we have different understandings of scriptures. I understand discernment, it is like Paul said in ( 1 Corinthians 3:2) the Holy Spirit does the same.

I went to church in my younger years and I had Christian parents, but I was not truly saved until my forties going on thirty years ago, it took over two years through demonic battles and things I did not believe were even real. I have full faith in my salvation in Jesus Christ and the baptizing of the Holy Spirit, if not I would not be here today.

I understand wanting to sit this one out some people's emotions override the love in Christ and many hold this undebatable, if we lived long ago, we would be in fear of death and even today your treated as unwanted, and cast out of many congregations, and I do cherish you considering me a brother.

On to the two Adams, now this is what I feel has been revealed through the Holy Spirit and my understanding of Scripture and I understand if we do not agree, but I will as best I can, tell you. When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.

If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12).

Continued

Brother Ronald.

Part 2.

As I mentioned I don't believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him. And there would have been no need of a sacrifice or penalty of sin.

Hebrews 10:14-22. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

HAVING THEREFORE, BRETHERN, BOLDNESS TO ENTER INTO THE HOLIEST BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS,

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

And having an high priest over the house of God;

LET US DRAW NEAR WITH A TRUE HEARTH IN ASSURENCE OF FAITH, HAVING OUR HEARTS SPRINKLED FROM AN EVIL CONSCIENCE, and our bodies washed with pure water.

The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple. " 1 Corinthians 3:16. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of 1 John 3:9.

Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- 1 Corinthians 15:45-50.

Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a

( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give life.

Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was a living soul. So is our 1st birth.

GBU.

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Hdhdhd ASK: How do you ask god for forgiveness

Reply: Matthew 6:9 saids,

... therefore pray ye: Our Father which art (are) in heaven, Hallowed (Holy) be thy (your) name.

( Psalm 83:18)

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

(sins is like being in debt- Romans. 6:23, )

Jesus explained further About forgiveness:

Please read Matthew 6:14-15

Does this mean we can go on a shopping spree of immorality or do what God

hates because our debts are paid off ( Hebrews 10:26,27). no, we work to stay out of debt.

How?

1.Prayer ( Matthew 6:9,13; Matthew. 26:38,41)

3. Study ( Matthew 4:1-13 "written"; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; Romans 15:4)

4. Avoid the cause and those who practice them. if can't...

#1 will help. ( 2 peter 2:9; 1Corinthians. 15:33; 1corinthians 6:9-11)

Hope this is helpful

Hebrews 10:25

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

I pray in Jesus mighty name that you will find a church that is right, Amen.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore (as a result), as by one man sin entered into the world ( Genesis 3), and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

all man (woman, children) on this earth are sinners . Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) is not looking for perfection.

he's looking for *grief (repentance) and repentance from within ( Ps. 51:4). that inner thought and mind.

that inner regret and groaning because of bad . but what if a person keep sinning willingly? Hebrews 10:26; 1 Corinthians 6:9,10

however, what can be done to run in a way that doesn't cause

a big stumble or fall with self or others?

Psalm 1:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:16,17 study and correct

Luke 22:40 prayer

1Corinthians 15:33 Abandon anything that is influencing bad behavior.( Proverbs 13:20)

*Example of major sin:

2Samuel 12:1-18; Ps. 51:4

I hope this helps. there is more... but don't want to

overwhelm. ( Romans 7:14-25)

It is finished. Part 1.

Is our atonement forever or once Christ freed us it's up to us to Atone for ourselves?

When Christ offered himself, He did it all!

The sacrifice had to be without blemishe.

Jesus didn't need cleansing from sin.

Jesus was sinless throughout his life.

PERFECT AND COMPLETE.

What's important to Know is the high priest in the levitical priesthood had to offer up sacrifices for himself and then the children of Israel. because it was IMPERFECT. But not Christ.

Hebrews 7:27. Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Jesus was an offering to the Lord for our sins. ONCE! By it we have atonement. He was raised from the dead showing the prophesied sacrifice was accepted.

HOW ARE WE KEPT.

As the offering of Christ was complete for remission of sins compared to the Levitical offerings because they had to offered often. Can we remain perfect by law keeping and continuous offerings? NO!

Hebrews 10:11-12. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, WHICH CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS:

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 John 2:1-2. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

And he is the propitiation for our sins: Atonement that is (concretely)

Colossians 3:3. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Jude 1:24-25. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

You might enjoy a visit to GEVTE.

This guy is a mathematician that is able to recall cosmic events and match them to prophesy. It makes you want to write some of this down and check it out.

Write me back and tell me what you think? He makes predictions and I'm not sure anyone should do that.

I'm still looking at what Charles Capps teaches of how Jesus became the son of Man. He took back the Authority Adam lost to Satan.

Abraham's obedience and trust, when he almost sacrificed his son; God instead provided a ram.

Legally, this made it possible for Jesus to be born into the earth; the Son of man. FULLY HUMAN and fully the Son of God.

Hebrews 10:5

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, BUT A BODY hast thou prepared me:

Luke 2

29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which Thou Hast Prepared before the face of ALL PEOPLE

32 A light to light to the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

This passage in Luke always stumped me. It's a prophesy spoken at Jesus's circumcision.

Jesus had to be human to give His Life for all humankind on the Cross. Satan didn't know or he'd have tried to stop it. Satan is a created being. He is not human. He has to borrow a body to manifest. He'll enter the Antichrists body. [antichrist; 2nd beast; false prophet]

Knowing the legalities of this; coupled with the DOMINION God gave to First Adam: Jesus holds ALL AUTHORITY. He gives BELIEVERS IN HIM,

Authority to defeat Satan, IN JESUS NAME.

We have Dominion PLUS Authority to cast Satan and his demons, out of ours and others lives. When Jesus said "LEAVE", they left. We can do that IN JESUS NAME.

Our complacency and unbelief makes us victims of outlaw, illegal spirits. They borrow any kind of body or they are INVISIBLE. Ephesians 6.

Jesus wants us to live as kings and priests; not bleating little lambs.

Hello, thanks for sharing your opinion. You used the word 'we' as though you have grouped yourselves with others, assuming others have the same opinion. I could use 'we' also.

I'd like to question one of your assumptions: "Children of God don't want to sin"

Is that true?

Do you believe is Paul a child of God? In my view, Paul became one of the strongest Christian evangelists in world history. He was absolutely dedicated to preaching the message of Jesus Christ, and wrote more books than anyone else in the Bible. He also wrote the following which he admitted to struggling with sin:

Rom 7:14-19

Do you have any evidence for where the belief that Christians don't want to sin or aren't tempted by sin comes from? Currently, without further Biblical support I tend to believe Paul and what he wrote. God bless.

I know dozens of Christians living in sin right now and they are enjoying it immensely. They are taught they don't have to try to avoid it- that human effort is 'bad', so they follow the world and its desires, assuming they're following Christ. I know some assume there's nothing to worry about since they assume they're 'saved', but I am worried for their souls based on what the Bible says. John 14:15-17, ROMANS 11:6, Hebrews 10:26, James 2:19, 1 Cor 9:24-27. Is it 'wrong' to take the Bible verses literally and be concerned for one's salvation? Is it 'wrong' to believe in the Bible?

Hello Rick, I'd like to politely challenge one of your statements. Since you said we won't be punished for any sins does that mean I can enjoy committing sins tonight without any punishment? Strip club, drugs, fornication, lying, stealing, cheating, all isn't counted and all are ok?

And I can tell all my Christian friends to go with me and do the same? Does Jesus cover intentional sin, and even blasphemy? And if all believers are already forgiven, does that mean we no longer need to confess and ask for forgiveness of sins and that we shouldn't even try to avoid sin? Scriptural support? And how else should I interpret verses like Hebrews 10:26?

God bless...

Hello Hui Ning Wu,

I would like to offer another perspective to your comment: "And once you are saved, you cannot lose your salvation no matter what you do!"

I ask, is this true? If true, I would love to commit sins tonight just for fun, because no consequence. Would love to do drugs, have an affair, go to certain clubs to party, maybe even get in a fight, because if we're saved no matter what it wouldn't matter and God would still reward me?

So, is this true that it's from God and not from satan? Before I do that I would first need to find it in clearly scripture and no other scripture would contradict it. So, if I look through the Bible for evidence, I find the following:

1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

This suggests grace won't be given until Jesus comes- maybe even after we're judged. But people are telling me I'm saved and have grace now, so which is true? Does anywhere else in the Bible say that?

1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Ok, I guess it does. So, we're not 'saved' yet, huh?

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

So, believing alone isn't enough? So, maybe faith and actions matter?

Romans 11

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Matthew 12:31-32

Romans 14:12

1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'

But many people are telling me the race is already won and that I can party. So, who is right: God's Word or man's word?

2 Peter 3:17

Luke 8:5-18

1 Timothy 4:1

2 Peter 2:20-22

Hebrews 3:12

Galatians 5:4

1 Corinthians 15:2-8

1 Corinthians 9:26-27 - this suggests 'trying' is good.

Evidence showing I should NOT commit sin. God bless...

Dennis Braswell Hebrews 10:26 In simple terms. When we got born again and received holy spirit our intent is not to Go against Gods word intentionally anymore. Another grieve not the holy spirit. this verse is saying If you willfully go against the payment made for you I.E. Gods only begotten son perfect sacrifice there is nothing left that can be done for your sin.

Basically slapping God in the face so to speak not good. In His Service

Hebrews 10:26 need perspective

What a great list of very relevant Scripture showing the full Deity of our Lord Jesus. I was greatly enriched indeed GRACE_ambassador. I was looking for possibly a reference ( John 20:28) in your list, but may have missed it. We can note how Jesus never rebuked Thomas for exclaiming, "My Lord and my God". Rather, Thomas' faithlessness was addressed & now he believed & rejoiced in seeing his Master & his God. And how blessed are those who haven't been witnesses of those crucifixion wounds on the Lord, & still have faith to believe & call upon Him.

As I went out for my evening walk today, my mind & spirit was deeply impressed with a situation where a believer denies the deity of Christ & the impact that has on his salvation. And then coming to your three page response, I saw your question I had entertained a hour earlier, i.e. "If we Deny HIS Deity, how can HE FORGIVE us our sins?" I'm still working through that because of the gravity of its implications. Doesn't our salvation hinge on the fact that God laid down His Life for us? That the salvation He brought to us was "once for all" ( Hebrews 10:4-12)? Thank you for those great Scriptures giving irrefutable evidence of the Deity of Christ.

This weekend was National Prayers, dedicated to rescuing the Americans (and other countries) out of Afghanistan without loss of life or tragedies.

Please set aside some time to intercede on their behalf. The have to leave all of their belongings behind.

I know how that feels. I had a home fire when no one was there and it was 99% total loss; someone saved my pets :)

Loss is the most powerful Teacher, of what is truly important. It frees you to carve out a new future. I found out how much people really loved me and gave of themselves to help me restart a home. My deceased grandmother who I dearly loved; her China cabinet survived. How gracious God is towards us, to allow us the blessing of experiencing that!

Pray, that will happen. May they come back home and be met with self-sacrificing love and actions to help someone restart their life. They gave me their best when I had nothing to give back except love. My faith grew.

Suddenly we are receiving a preview of just how difficult the Tribulation will be. It's going to be real hard, day after day, life and death decisions.

We don't have jobs now. Landlords want rent and there is none. In the Tribulation, people left behind will have to survive with nothing.

We need to receive Jesus as our Lord NOW, and trust in what He says throughout the Bible. God is Love. Jesus is the God Man that came here to rescue us out of the horrors of the End.

Salvation is a gift from God. A gift has to be received. Sorta like Christmas. You give because you love. Receive Gods gift and Trust Him To Do what He said He would do, IN THE BIBLE.

So many of us have trust issues for numberless reasons. This is ONE TIME when you have full assurance that you can trust in God. Receive His Gift, His only son Jesus, and prepare to live in joy forever. He is Faithful that Promised.

Hebrews 10:23

It's gonna be okay. Choose life now. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life (one of His Names) & Faithful and True

Alison,

Hebrews 10:26 is not referring to saved believers. The writer of Hebrews is speaking to unsaved Hebrew people. He says, for if we sin willfully, that is, we go back to serving the principle of sin, after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,

We know from Hebrews Chapter 6 that those who were enlightened, that are no longer coming for fellowship, just because they were enlightened doesn't mean they're saved.

The Lord can enlighten someone as to the knowledge of the truth, they know the truth, they have seen the truth, they understand the truth, but have never surrendered their life to Christ.

That's what was taking place here. They were following along and being enlightened, but wouldn't surrender their lives to Christ because they would be severely persecuted for turning away from Judaism and receiving Christ as their Messiah. For them, it was much easier to go back to Judaism.

It says, "If we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

The writer is speaking to Jewish/Hebrew people who were being enlightened to the truth, but instead of turning away from Judaism and surrendering their life to Christ, they were considering going back into Judaism.



What this verse is saying is that if they go back into old Judaism, they're not going to find any sacrifice there that's going to take care of their sin problem if you leave Christ.

The consequences of a true believer who continues in sin, if they are truly saved, the Lord will deal with them. He disciplines those who truly belong to Him. And sometimes His discipline can be pretty harsh!

Another thing I believe, and I think scripture backs it up, is that someone who is truly born of the Spirit of God, that person will no longer live a lifestyle of sin because the Spirit in them will convict them of their sin and keep them from habitually practicing sin.

KHALIL,

You have perfectly described a person who has never been saved. The only thought I have concerning your last statement is that there is no such thing as Christians who want to be saved. But you are right on concerning those who continue to live a lifestyle of sin. Thank you for sharing that!

Hi Dgjot.

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Read Romans 7:23 on through Romans 8:13. with verses 11 thru 13 being the end result.

" But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

We all have an inward battle but that life giving spirit conducts our walk. You may grieve the spirit but our great shepherd will never leave us.

Hebrews 10:14. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

2 Timothy 1:12. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

God bless.

If some one continue committing adulatory sin until his last breath on earth, then it means he refused to be saved, thus God will respect his decision and will not include him in the list of those who admitted to be saved. Keep in mind confessing your faith in Jesus and his salvation just by your lips without proving so by your deeds and stick to to the teachings of Jesus will not save you. Jesus in Luke 13:5, says: " I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish ". And in Jacob 2:26, says: " For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead ". Saying by your lips that you believe in Jesus whilst living sinful life it is nonsenses.

I don't understand why Christians who want to be saved and benefit from the grace of salvation keep living sinful life. Why not to get married instead of committing adulatory?.

1 Corinthians 7 is the marriage chapter.

1 Corinthians 13 is the love chapter.

To enter into a relationship without Gods blessing, can be doomed because there is no commitment to God. They are doing it the way of the world. I often use Genesis 24, for young people looking for a perfect mate.

I would advise counseling for them.

And you need to bring this burden, or outrage, before the Lord, to be forgiven and walk in forgiveness, before the Lord.

You know Adam and Eve didn't have a big Church wedding. The Lord married them. Genesis 2:22 to Genesis 2:25.

We get better results when we pray for others. Cast all these cares upon the Lord, walk in peace and the Lord will sort out the details.

Please explain ch

10 vs 26. Is this speaking of a saved christian? What are the consequences if a christian continues in a particular sin, i.e. living together before marriage but claim to be saved!!!!

Hello Melanie. I think you're referring to the Old Testament Laws & the harsh punishment given should they be broken. Some laws brought on the death penalty while others didn't. They sound very unpalatable to us now because we've been conditioned by society & government to accept most crimes as being only worthy of some degree of punishment, but in the Divine Judgement, all sin & all wicked acts against others brings on a severe penalty. If "the wages of sin is death" ( Romans 6:23), then both physical death & spiritual death has "passed onto all men".

In Leviticus chapter 20, we get a list of those crimes that the Lord prescribed the death penalty. And this was so because God declared, "And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine." ( Leviticus 20:26). The people were given ample warning, so it took a wilful disobedience & rebellion against God for a person to purposely pursue those crimes; & judgement & death was certain. And yet, if the people brought & offered a sacrifice of repentance (Leviticus chapter 5), they were forgiven for certain crimes.

Likewise, even though that type of punishment is generally not given for the crimes we see today, we know that God has not overlooked it, neither the disease of our hearts. And that is why He sent His Son to this world: that by His Sacrifice for us, He has provided us the only way that God could accept us - when we come in repentance for our sins & in faith in Jesus' Death for us. And for those who rebel against God's Word & His Sacrifice, our courts certainly won't punish them, but we can be assured that all will stand guilty before God & experience an eternity of punishment. "He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses" ( Hebrews 10:28); our laws & justice have little resemblance to Divine requirements. Yet we can thank God that His Mercy, through His Son, avails to us all. But one day, even that door will close.

Hello Nelvan. From the Bible, we understand that before Jesus came to Earth as a Man, He was in Heaven, within the Godhead, as the Word of God (see John 1:1-4,14). God has chosen to express Himself to us as the Almighty God from Whom proceeds His Word & His Spirit - just one God in His Fulness ( 1 John 5:7).

"Can God die?" No, God is Spirit, He cannot die and none in the spirit realm can die since no physical body is present. One day we will die because our aging bodies must perish. But our spirits which cannot die, will return to God ( Ecclesiastes 12:7).

But Jesus died, because God chose to send forth His Word to us a sinful people. And that Word became flesh ( John 1:14) & He was named Jesus ( Matthew 1:21-25), so that the people not only had God's final Word to them coming in human form ( John 8:42,43), but He also came as a man for the "suffering of death" ( Hebrews 2:9), that He should "taste death for every man". And this, Jesus did for us, so that when we believe on Him, confessing our sins, God will forgive us & accept us, only because He accepted His Son's death as a full & complete payment for our sins ( John 3:16-18).

So God Who is Spirit cannot die, but when He sent His Word to become a man, then yes, God did give us His life for us. But as you may know, the account doesn't end there: Jesus arose from death & the grave, ascended to Heaven in His glorified body & is seated now at God's right Hand where His Testimony is ever present before all in Heaven & Earth ( Hebrews 10:12; 7:25) - God's sacrificial Lamb Who was once slain and is now the only reason for our acceptance by God.

Hebrews 8:5 = GOD commanded Moses to construct the Old Testament Tabernacle as the instrument of HIS presenting HIM-SELF to Israel ( Exo. 25:22; cp. 30:6 & 36):

"There I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the Mercy Seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the Ark of the Testimony, of all things which I will give thee in Commandment unto the children of Israel."

This verse ( Heb. 8:5) records three terms which demonstrates the purpose and value of the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood and of the Tabernacle that GOD commanded Moses to replicate on earth to provide a comprehensive perspective "figure" ( Heb. 9:9) of that which is "of Heavenly Things".

1st, they served as "the example of Heavenly Things", meaning an exact copy or reproduction of the original and "True Tabernacle, which The LORD pitched, and not man" (v.2). Compare the terms "figure", "pat-tern", and "fashion" in the following references: Exodus 26:30; 27:8; Numbers 8:4; Acts 7:44; and Hebrews 9:9;

2nd, they served as a "shadow of Heavenly Things", meaning it only typified, symbolized, represented, and point-ed to the Heavenly Tabernacle. A literal shadow is intangible which reveals simply the outline or profile of the actual object. The earthly Tabernacle simply revealed a "a figure for the time then present."

By design, the example demonstrates the purpose and value of the original. This example is not a counterfeit, but rather a replication of the actual Heavenly Tabernacle which speaks of the saints dwelling in the very Presence of CHRIST ( Rev. 13:6; 15:5; 21:3).

3rd, they served as GOD's earthly "pattern" which was enforced only temporarily until CHRIST established HIS "more Excellent Ministry" (v.6) as exclaimed in Hebrews 10:9-12.

RAY ---- ON HEBREWS 10:27. Hi Ray, this fear and trembling is because of possible devil possession. You have to fast and pray to God through our Lord Jesus Christ. You have not committed the unpardonable sin. When I was possessed I believed in the same thing. The devil wants you to believe this so he can devour you ( 1st Peter 5:8 ). Cast the devil out according to Matthew 17 : 19, 20, 21. May God Bless you for believing in all manner of the Judgements of God.

I was responding to the posts about 1 Thess: 4:17, 18

The Rapture; Caught Up; In the Clouds

End of Days

I am an Evangelist. I see lambs, sheep, wolves, hirelings and those called to be shepherds.

I'm just going to leave it at that and ask God to raise up more shepherds who care for the Sheep. To guide, in one accord, all those who want to know what the Caught Up is, and how to be a participant in that?

Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

1 Peter 4:9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. All of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and gives grace to the humble.

Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love & good works.

In Hebrews 10:25 it talks about not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together. In some church circles, this is interpreted as the requirement to be in church when the doors are open, every service.

What are your thoughts on this requirement?

The 70 th Week

Part 3

Jesus confirmed the last 3.5 years through His apostles ending when Stephen was killed, Paul was converted, Peter had his dream the conformation to Judah ended and the gospel was sent to the Gentiles. This fulfills the 70=weeks 490/483 years

We have been told to study, we are told to test the spirits, trust our teacher the Holy Spirit and pray. These are the six things that were determined on Judah and the holy city Jerusalem, a few verses that may help see if this has been fulfilled by Jesus.

1. To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Isaiah 53:11) ( Hebrews 9:15-18)

2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( John 1:29) ( 1 Corinthians 15:3)

( 1 John 3:5) ( Psalm 32) ( Romans 8:3)

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Isaiah 53:11) ( Ephesians 2:16) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19)

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( Romans 3:21-26) ( 1Peter 2:24)

( 2 Corinthians 5:21) ( Isaiah 61:10-11)

5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) ( Acts 3:18)

( John 5:36-40) ( Matthew 11:11-15)

6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 8:1-12) ( Hebrews 9:6-14)

The 70 th week has been used along with other Bible verses to paint a fantastic picture of end times. The pre, mid, or post rapture of the Church, an antichrist, 7-year tribulation, 3.5-year covenant with Israel, a third temple, abomination of desolation, 3.5 years great tribulation after breaking covenant, and more. Many of these teachings started in the late 1600s. I hope this helps, if this prophecy has been fulfilled, it will show the falsehoods of these teachings because without using part of the 70 weeks prophecy given to Daniel, these teachings will fall apart.

Acts.3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

RLW

It's hard to deny what the Bible so clearly says. Here are more verses saying the same thing about salvation. Jesus warned his followers many times through parables that most will go to hell. Judas was a follower until he turned his back on Jesus and sold Him out. He faced a horrible death and likely will go to hell. Christians unfortunately turn their backs on Jesus today- sometimes even prominent ones, including pastors, worship leaders, ministers. The common response I hear is either denial or 'they were never Christian'- then I ask them their definition of a Christian and then usually don't get a response. The Bible says all those things about security of salvation, but you can't stop reading there, this assumes you're following Jesus and many do for a period of time, but then start following the world or satan directly, without even realizing how far they have drifted. The Bible says to fear God. He will judge you and where you will go. Most won't take it seriously, will goof off, live for pleasure and will go to hell. People need to be warned of this so they will actually follow Jesus, and avoid the disaster that awaits. Jesus's parables were quite clear and He pounded that message into people. People who don't follow Jesus's commandments don't love Jesus. They might say they do, believe they do, but they don't if continue in sin.

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

Romans 11

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Matthew 12:31-32

Romans 14:12

1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'