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James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (This is the word of God - not an opinion)

Romans 6:15-23 (verse 18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (comment-What if you die suddenly while committing one of the above)

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. ( There is a difference in a fault and willful sin)

Hiya Leslie....I love that Isaiah 11....All these animals are symbolic of ppl, humanity that have given birth to this lil Child which is the H.G. The Child of Promise that is leading them to his Holy Mountain.... Hebrews 12:22....Ye are come unto mount ZION the city of the living God....That HEAVENLY JERUSALEM...ETC....Thats y Isaiah is saying a lil Child is gonna lead them....Which is the spirit of truth the kingdom that is gonna reprove the whole world as Jesus said.

......All these animals are just symbolic of ppl and their animalistic natures....All these animals are ppl that have been converted to this lil Child....which is the H.G. that is leading them....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in....We all must birth a lil Child which is the H.G....Thats y he has to KNOW US.

Thats y Isaiah 11:6 is telling us about KNOWLEDGE.. He has to KNOW US in order for the good seed to be sown in us resulting in a birth, the kingdom has to come via a lil Child which is the H.G. the Child of Promise

......Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas which is an intimacy with Christ the bridegroom....Remember when God told Jeremiah about the New Covenant....God said i will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest which is gona result in a heavenly birth....As Jeremiah saw all the world in travail and birth pains....In fact 27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw this world in travail and birth pains....Which is the result of this knowledge that is gonna cover the Earth....O thank you Jesus for this knowledge your intimacy with humanity....Thus all men will be bornagain....I will KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST....OK Gotta go do my Walk...GBU ALL

Hi Giannis. Just one matter that struck me, from Richards reference to Galatians 5:4 ("falling from grace") & your reference to Hebrews 12:15 ("failing the grace of God"). Both Greek words are different as you know: (ekpipto; hustereo), indicating a different application. One, where those who seek justification by the Law instead of the Grace of God do not have salvation, and the other, those who don't "diligently" look to their manner of living (holiness), will receive the Lord's chastisement & fall short (fail) of God's Grace.

I seem to see a difference here: one where salvation is never possessed because of trusting in the Law, and the other, where salvation is undermined, not enjoying the fullness of God's Grace, receiving chastisement. The Hebrews writer goes on to write about Esau (v16) who relinquished his birthright (akin to a sinner rejecting God's Offer of salvation meant to be received & enjoyed by all, having lost all hope). He then introduces Moses ("him that spake on Earth" v25): if the Israelite disobeyed Moses' warnings, punishment of death ensued. And then to Jesus, the Mediator of the New Covenant (v24): how much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him.

In all these warnings, chastisement of the believer is God's Rod to bring the erring child back into line. But as those who refused to obey Moses under the Law & those who turn away from obeying Jesus under Grace, an untimely death will follow if warnings are not heeded. Some see the "shall we not escape" (v25), indicating that salvation would be lost if we turn away from Christ (as in Esau's rejection), but my question: is the matter of salvation spoken of here, or, the matter of death (as those so judged under Moses)? Does the believer lose his salvation or is he first chastised, even to loss of life, if he refuses to listen (he turns away - his ears/heart) from Jesus? An interesting passage; trying to marry up all the verses associated with it from verses 5 to 25.

Please God open Vincent heart to Your Will for him. Please Holy Spirit guide Vincent in stewardship and servitude of what has been given to him I pray in the name of Jesus Christ!

Please consider reflecting on Proverbs 24:16, Hebrews 12:11, I Peter 4:8, Romans 12:9-21.

Hello dear Richard.

A few thought about what you have written...

Hebrews 12:15-17

"15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it (the blessing) carefully with tears."

Can one fall of the grace of God? One case is the above. Verse 15 says because of a root of bitterness in a believers heart this can happen.

In verse 16,17 a person that is a fornicator or a profane person can not inherit the blessing(salvation). How come? Isn't the grace and forgiveness of God available to all people? Yes but under the condition of repentance (and not only). If one chooses to not repent for sins he does, even if that person is a believer, then the grace of God is not available to him, like Judas. If one chooses to leave God's way and get back to his original sinful life then the grace of God is not available to him, like Demas. There is always a condition so that the grace and forgiveness of God is available to people. And this is called Repentance. Believers who eventually leave this world in their unforgiven sins do not enter Heaven.

Judas most possibly didn't repent for Jesus' betrayal, and even if he actually did repent he didn't proceed with asking God's grace and forgiveness. Repentance is not enough, if not asking God to forgive and not asking for Jesus' Blood. Wordly people often repent for things they do but they are not forgiven by God because they don't ask for forgiveness and the Blood of Jesus. The 5 unwise virgins (virgin means believer) were not allowed into the Marriage because they ended up in darkness, not having light in their lamps. The light represants a pure life. Darkness represants a life with sins.

GBU

Brother John:

Isn't everyone a unbeliever before they are a believer?

Isn't everyone a liar?

Isn't everyone fearful?

The lake of fire is Christ.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

If your in Christ and Christ is in you; then your in the FIRE.

Matthew 3:11 ....and he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

Malachi 3:2 And who shall abide the day of his coming (Christ in you, Colossians 1:27, baptised into his name)? and who can stand when he (TRUTH and LIFE, John 14:6) appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire and a fullers soap.

Malachi 3:3 And he shall set (in you) as a refiner and purifier of silver: that YOU may offer unto the Lord an offering in RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God Bless You.

Hi Grae.

I pray this disagreement doesn't offend anyone, That's not my intentions. I will start with verse 9 through 11 to focus on his humanity.

9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, IN BRINGING MANY SONS UNTO GLORY, TO MAKE THE CAPTAIN OF THEIR SALVATION PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERINGS.

( Verse 10. The CAPTAIN of our salvation means he's the author and finisher of our salvation. the suffering is the death on the cross for all humanity as seen here in Hebrews 12:2.)

11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified ARE ALL OF ONE: FOR WHICH CAUSE HE IS NOT ASHAMED TO CALL THEM BRETHREN,

Jesus didn't take on our humanity so he can be tempted and resist sin, he took on our humanity to redeem us as our Kinsman redeemer by way of the cross. See Revelation 5:2-9.

That brings us to Verses 17-18.

"Wherefore in all things IT BELOVED HIM TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, THAT HE MIGHT BE A MERCIFUL AND FAITHFUL HIGH PRIEST in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

FOR IN THAT HE HIMSELF HATH SUFFERED BEING TEMPTED, HE IS ABLE TO SUCCOUR THEM THAT ARE TEMPTED."

First let's deal with the word tempted.

Greek:

Transliteration: peiraz

Pronunciation: pi-rad'-zo

Definition: From G3984; TO TEST (objectively) that is endeavor 6

scrutinize entice discipline: - assay examine go about prove. .

Jesus entire life was a testing!!

Jesus was PROVOKED just like we are, that doesn't mean he was tempted to sin as if he had to withstrain him self from sinning.

We have the opportunity to do wrong as well as Christ. THE OPPORTUNITY IS THE TEST!

We have the opportunity to do wrong AND WE WANT TO DO IT. Christ didn't!

Because God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him! John 3:34.

God bless.

The shrinks like to say we get angry because we are afraid. The issue often is when we know something to be right; and people don't listen to what we say. There are also cases where we want something we can't have or are retaliating to someone else's bad behavior.

With anything else; it helps to look at the scriptures and meditate on them day and night ( Joshua 1:8). Obviously; we need to ask the Holy Spirit to remove things that would be roots of bitterness ( Hebrews 12:14-16). The evidence of bad fruit from a corrupt heart is found in the gospels ( Matt. 15:19). Other verses such as 1 Peter 2:1-2 and Ephesians 4:26-32 offer further advice.

I hope you will trust the Lord for these changes; not yourself. I found that after the anger that came from a contentious divorce after my wife had an affair was dealt with by much prayer; and counselling based on a study in the Book of James. (see James 1:19). God can and will give you unconditional love even toward your enemies. That was how I was able to forgive my dad after years of mental abuse; by telling him that I loved him. It is helping me having to live with him now.

Agape..Rich P

Thank you Chris,

the service went well for the most part. I shared from Scripture, highlighting Timothy, who was taught by his mother and grandmother from a young age and how I felt that way about Mom showing us her faith and desiring us to know the faith of the gospel of Christ from the start of our lives. I shared that her example of faith and determination to bring her children up to know the salvation of God in Christ Has been the best gift she has given me. I also shared from Hebrews 12:1-4 concerning the great cloud of witnesses that surround us and how my Mom is now one of those witnesses and that in time I will become such a witness in the cloud of those who have passed from death into eternal life. Several of my neighborhood friends from childhood were there and one in particular came up to me after all my siblings had shared and told me how much he appreciated my witness and how glad he was to share the same faith with me. That blessed my heart.

The only concerning part was when my sister (who said she was not going to come to anything pertaining to Mom again after we divided up all of her belongings) showed up to give her spiritist occultic drum beating "presentation". I went in the kitchen to help with food at that time so I did not have to be a part of her ceremony, as did several others who shared the same sentiment. I came back out when she was sharing some pictures and some remembrances. After wards, she was just going to leave and not participate any further. I asked her to stay and have lunch with our family and guests. she declined. I then offered to make a take home meal for her. She said yes, and I got that done for her. She left for the rest of the service but came back after it was over to take home some flowers and some things that she had let us borrow. Well, I tried, and I was kind to her. But we shall see if she changes her mind about anything in the future.

There was about 25 direct family members and 25 relatives and friends.

2 Peter 3:10 states that the "elements" will be destroyed with fire. That in Greek is said to be the smallest particle; i.e. the atomic structure. There is no understanding as there isn't with many fundamental physical properties in nature what is holding everything together from the neutrons; electrons and protons in the atomic scale to whole galaxies and the cause of gravity; etc. Nor is there a fundamental understanding of WHY the 2nd law of thermodynamics; i.e. that of decay of all things or death itself happens. We know from the Word that even the stars are not pure in His sight; although they are all named. ( Job 25:5; Psalm 147:4).

At this point; I don't know about you but this concept is absolutely terrifying when we consider that we are made from the dust.

When this occurs will be the final Great White Throne judgment of Rev. 20. That is when the wicked are judged; I am not a Post-Millennium person so I believe that those who are of the church now will have been in glorified bodies and clearly "not harmed by the second death" ( Rev. 2:11). This thought of the fate of the wicked I really can't bear to think about.

So; for now it certainly gives us more than ample incentive to preach the Word; in and out of season ( 2 Tim. 4:2). It gives us confidence knowing that all enemies of God in particular Satan who mess with us now are going to be judged. Through the Spirit we can love our enemies; while still realizing that it is not up to us to seal their fate; but to be a faithful witness so that we can receive a full reward ( Psalm 126:5-6). It also helps us to move past all those worldly desires that would threaten to undo us; and have a healthy fear of the Lord. Remember He chastises all He loves. ( Hebrews 12:6). In the meantime; the coming Tribulation and birth pangs are all part of the process to refine us as well as draw those who He has called for His own.

We all need each other as we see the Day draw near.

Agape; Rich P

We should study how we are part of the Body of Christ; and how we reflect His light through the Spirit. This is something like Christ who demonstrates all the attributes of the Father who no man has seen ( John 1:18).

It is necessary but painful here to come to a realization that these attributes only exist for those who are His children. It is VERY clear from such verses as Isaiah 66 that the wicked will indeed be seen by all in their judgment; so clearly the righteous will in their state as well. We see the Transfiguration indicating that Moses and Elijah were seen (although Elijah was translated). John 8:56 seems to indicate that Abraham was aware of when Christ came as well. To be absent from the Body is present with the Lord. ( 2 Cor. 5:6). The indication of our presence as Kings and Priests ( Rev. 5:10; etal) and the prayers of the saints before God seems to show an awareness among those in God's Presence and even about what is going on in the earth ( Rev. 5:8).

We see David also when his son died saying that he would go to him; but his son couldn't come to him ( 2 Sam. 12:23). This is another clear indication of eventual reunion with God's people.

What will be something to look forward to is that we will be without sin. Therefore; our relationships truly will be enhanced to a greater degree and not inhibited due to all the issues we have in this life. To truly understand this; we need to have a mindset of service toward Christ; and part of our reward is to see the results of those sacrifices in time and resources building one another up in the faith and supporting those evangelizing today to fulfill the Great Commission. We are all adopted children and part of that great cloud of witnesses ( Hebrews 12:1-2). We shall see Him as He is and be raised in incorruption ( 1 Cor. 15:42). What a glorious day that will be!

Agape.

If you're responding to News. Please stop watching news sources. Focus on the Good news, written within scripture: Psalms 37, Galatians 5:16,17,

If you would 1st please consider the way it makes you feel. As you stated "horrified" that's not of GOD. Galatians 5:22-25,

2nd please consider all around you. Is there peace, is there light, anything to be thankful for? Is searching out news also symbolic of wanting to "know" what's happening in the news" Genesis 2:17, Romans 16:19,

3rd consider why there's only bad, horrible, divisive news? Hebrews 6:8, Proverbs 22:5, Why do they report the one horrible thing or person & not the million good? Is it meant to trigger rage? Hebrews 12:1, Luke 6:43-45,

1John 2:16, Titus 1:15, 2Samuel 22:27, Psalms 18:26, 1John 3:3, 2Peter 3, James 3:17, James 1:27, Philippians 4:8, Romans 8,

1Corinthians 4:5,

The Word also says: Numbers 11:12, Jude 1,

Hopefully these are helpful & encouraging

Thanks Suze for the good thought. Gen. 25:34 "Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright". It was like it meant nothing to him. Hebrews 12:16 is another warning to us as believers "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright".

God doesn't need possessions as we understand it, 'having or owning things' that are necessary for our survival or happiness. In Psalm 50:10, God says: "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills." God owns all things He has created, even the special called-out people (first Israel, then those who've come to faith in Christ) & also that special city Jerusalem (Zion). Psalm 87:2-3 says, "The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God." According to this verse, Zion is synonymous with City of God, and it is a place that God loves. Zion is Jerusalem.



Zion is first mentioned in 2 Samuel 5:7. Zion was originally an ancient Jebusite fortress in the city of Jerusalem. After David's conquest of the fortress, Jerusalem became a possession of Israel. The royal palace was built there, and Zion/Jerusalem became the seat of power in Israel's kingdom. When Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, the meaning of Zion included the temple area ( Psalm 2:6; Psalm 48:2,11,12; Psalm 132:13). Therefore, the prophecy of Jeremiah 31:6, "Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God."

Zion is also used in a spiritual sense in Scripture. In the Old Testament, Zion refers figuratively to Israel as the people of God ( Isaiah 60:14). In the New Testament, Zion refers to God's spiritual kingdom: Hebrews 12:22. Peter, quoting Isaiah 28:16, refers to Christ as the Cornerstone of Zion ( 1 Peter 2:6).

Mount Zion, as a geographical area, is now the focus of much dispute (mainly between Jews & Muslims). The Bible is clear that one day Zion will be the sole possession of the Lord Jesus, and Zion, both the nation and the city, will be restored. ( Isaiah 52:1; Isaiah 60:14). When Jesus returns to Earth, His rule will be from Jerusalem ( Zechariah 14:1-4; Luke 1:32,33). I hope you can see why Zion is so important & especially significant in God's Eyes as a special City of God (on Earth).

Marke:

This is a Prophecy, and it contradicts your understanding of the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall COME TO PASS, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall ALL FLESH come to WORSHIP before me, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 66:24 And they (all flesh, worshipping God) shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men (themselves) that have transgressed against me; for their (all flesh, worshipping God) worm shall not die, neither shall their (all flesh, worshipping God) fire be quenched, and they (all flesh, worshipping God) shall be an abhorring to all flesh (themselves).

Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man which is a worm?

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

God Bless YOU!

Sister Suze:

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast in to the sea, and a THIRD PART of the sea became blood.

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters (seas) which thou sawest, where the whore setteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of a mountain made without hands ....

Hebrews 12:22 But you are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, and unto a company of innumerable angels.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits, his ministers a flaming fire.

Exodus 7:17 Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shall know that I am the LORD, Behold, I will smite with the rod that is in thine hand the waters (peoples, nations) that are in the river, and they shall turn into blood.

God Bless You!

Sister Suze:

Revelation 8:7 And the first angel sounded, And there followed hail mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and a THIRD PART of the trees were burnt up, and all the green grass was burnt up.

Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one (Christ), which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, and a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to earth with his hand.

Psalms 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hailstones and coals of fire.

Psalms 18:13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens (in us), and the Highest gave his voice, hailstones and coals of fire.

Psalms 148:8 Fire, and hail; snow and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word:

Ezekiel 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the LORD God; Behold I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming fire shall not be quenched, and all faces from the north to the south shall be burned therein.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

God Bless you!

From much experience with that myself; you are called to be at peace. If the other person is non-Christian, they are reacting to Who's inside of you (Jesus). Forgive and then close that door. I prayed for the Lord to bring Christian friends into my life. He did!!! We went to church together and out for tacos after & more.

Don't over-analyze this too much. If the Lord allows it, then you have to Trust Jesus to close that door and open a new one.

Luke 6:22

Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

2 Corinthians 6:17

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Hebrews 12:14

Follow peace with ALL men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Proverbs Chapter 6

16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

May the Lord help you put this behind you.

Sister Kay:

You are exactly right WE DIE daily.

Our mind of flesh being renewed to the mind of Christ.

We can only come to the TRUTH of the NEW BIRTH, it happens at the death of this body.

There is ONLY ONE LIFE, CHRIST, and Christ is God.

Our body of flesh dies, LIFE (God) continues, we switch BODIES.

1 Corinthians 15:38 ...and to every SEED; HIS (Christ is the SEED) own body. Seed always begats the same seed.

It is beyond our mind of flesh to comprehend that Christ can live in us, yet can also appear as a man walking in flesh.

This is what we can look forward to.

Christ said that where he is we will be also; Christ is IN CREATION bringing creation to TRUTH and LIFE.

We as priest (with the body of Christ) in HIS Kingdom, the likeness of Christ, will be IN CREATION bringing creation to TRUTH and LIFE.

Revelation 10:11 ....thou must prophesy again (in your new body) before many peoples and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Go ye into all the world teaching and preaching the gospel of the kingdom. This is only possibly in the next AGE (world).

Read and study: Isaiah 66:18-24 and Jeremiah 51:19-33 and Revelation 2:26-27

These are prophecy about the Sons of God, we not a perfect Son of God till we leave this AGE (world).

Hebrews 12:23 ...... and to the spirits of just men made PERFECT.

God Bless YOU!

Sister Kay:

Hell: the Hebrew word sheol, a place of no perception were the dead go, the grave.

Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in my anger .....

Is this fire literal, started with a match, of the fire of the Lord.

Luke 12:49 And I have come to send fire on the earth; and what will I (be), if it (the fire) already be kindled?

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Luke 12:50 And I have a baptism (fire), to be baptised with, and how am I straitened till it BE ACCOMPLISHED.

Matthew 3:11 ...he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire.

1 Corinthians 3:15 .....but he himself shall be save, as yet by fire.

Psalms 86:13 For great is thy (the Father's) mercy toward me (Christ): and thou (the Father) shall deliver my (Christ's) soul (body) from the lowest hell (sheol, the grave).

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell (sheol, the grave) hath enlarged herself, and open her mouth without measure ....

Mark 9:43

I have never seen a Christian that believed these verses, if they are literal, otherwise they would have cut off their hands and feet to keep from going to hell.

It's an analogy.

You believe in a literal heaven and a literal hell.

Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those (literal and physical) things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things (SPIRIT) which cannot be shaken remain.

God Bless YOU!

Hi Gigi.

This is a significant portion of scripture. I would like to add a portion from the new testament.

We see here the difference between the ministration of the law and the ministration of grace.

FOR ONE THEY SANCTIFIED THERE SELVES 3 DAYS AND STILL COULDN'T APPROACH THE MOUNT. ( LAW)

Galatians 4:21-26. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hebrews 12:18-24. For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

WE'VE BEEN WASHED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. WE NOW CAN ENTER IN. (GRACE)

Hebrews 10:10-22.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11.

God bless.

Hi Richard. The word 'holy' in Greek is 'hagios'. And this means, 'holy, sacred, set apart'. When the word is used for those who have been saved, born again by the Spirit of God, it means that the Spirit immediately causes the believer to be marked & set apart from anything not of God & also belonging to Him alone. But can the believer just rest in that wonderful fact & then remain stagnant, careless or lethargic in his life from God? The one in whom the Spirit of God resides can never remain in such a sad state - the indwelling Lord will not permit it.

When we see important Scriptures as you shared, as in 1 Peter 1:14-16, "As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: but as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy", we see a couple of things. Once our lives were lived according to our own desires & dictates from the world. Peter instructs that all that is now past because God has "called you", or, God has chosen you to receive salvation & eternal life. And if God has called & He is Holy, then our new lives lived in the Spirit will be according to the dictates of His Spirit. And He says 'don't fashion yourself to the world but to the One Who has redeemed you'. If we subject ourselves to Him, then He will direct our lives to live in a manner that is pleasing to Him. Are we then freed from sinning? If so, then we must also be free of this sinful flesh & free from the struggles of this flesh with the spirit. Since we're never promised that in this life, striving for holiness will always be the quest of the spiritual person, desiring to please the Lord Who ransomed him & be circumspect in every area of life.

Some might give up & say that this is impossible to achieve. We need to keep the Lord always in view, & 'run with patience the race that is set before us' ( Hebrews 12:1,2). The road ahead won't be smooth, but finish we must.

Advocate - 1 John 2:1

Alive for Evermore - Rev 1:18

All Knowing Psalm 139:1-6

All, and in All - Colossians 3:11

Almighty - Revelation 1:8

Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8

Altar - Hebrews 13:10

Altogether Lovely - Song of Solomon 5:16

Amen - Revelation 3:14

Ancient of Days - Daniel 7:13 & Daniel 7:22

Anointed One - 1 Samuel 2:35

Author of Eternal Salvation - Hebrews 5:9

Author of our Faith - Hebrews 12:2

Balm of Gilead - Jeremiah 8:22

Banner over us - Ps 60:4, S of Sol 2:4

Bearer of Sin - Hebrews 9:28

Before All Things - Colossians 1:17

Beginning and Ending - Revelation 1:8

Bishop of our Souls - 1 Peter 2:25

Blessed and Only Potentate - 1 Timothy 6:15

Blessed Hope - Titus 2:13

Bread of Life, my manna - John 6:35

Bridegroom - John 3:29

Bright and Morning Star - Revelation 22:16

Brightness of His Glory - Hebrews 1:3

Buckler - Psalms 18:30

Captain - Joshua 5:14-15, Hebrews 2:10

Changeless One - Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8

Chief Among 10,000, S. of Solomon 5:10

Chosen of God - 1 Peter 2:4

Christ - Matthew 1:16 - 1 John 5:1

Comforter - John 14:16-18

Consolation of Israel - Luke 2:25

Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

Creator - Romans 1:25 - Isaiah 40:28

Crown of Glory - Isaiah 28:5

Tony:

There is flesh and blood: A BODY

There is ONE SPIRIT: IMMORTAL LIFE

Flesh and blood, the body, dies and returns to dust,

Spirit, life, CANNOT die.

Hell is a doctrine of man: If a body of flesh and blood was placed in literal fire, it would be consumed in a few minutes, there would be not eternal torment. No need for a second resurrection.

If SPIRIT (there is only ONE SPIRIT and that SPIRIT IS GOD)( Ephesians 4:4-6) was placed in literal fire, it would not be affected.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Lazarus and the rich man is a PARABLE.

Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham, symbolic of the BORN AGAIN, being ONE with God.

The rich man went to the GRAVE, a gulf that CANNOT be passed over UNTIL the second resurrection of the DEAD back to their flesh, to be judged and brought to TRUTH.

There are TWO RESURRECTION, one has already occurred, Christ and those that were ORDAINED to have their part in that FIRST RESURRECTION.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they (those CHOSEN to have their part in the first resurrection) DIE ANY MORE: for they (the CHOSEN) are equal into the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the (FIRST) resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection ......

The second resurrection TO JUDGEMENT, has not yet occurred BUT:

Isaiah 26:9 ...For when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

1 Timothy 4:10 ...for we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN (even those in the second resurrection), specially those (in the first resurrection) who believe.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (man) WAITETH (second resurrection) for the manifestation of the Sons of God (first resurrection).

Romans 8:21 Because the creature (man) ITSELF shall ALSO be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (the GRAVE) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

God Bless YOU!

Mark 16:15 | View whole chapter

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We all need to remember that Jesus said this to all of His followers. Everyone can participate in some kind of capacity. If you can't go, be part of intercessory prayer groups to pray for those that do go. Fund the missionaries your church sends out.

Give an offering to God__and bless those who need Bible tracts as they go minister on the streets of your city.

Figure out what part of the Body of Christ you are. I'm his feet. Hear the call.

Bible...King James ...pray , study ,reach out , learn from experiences... Trust in the Lord with all your heart...( Prov. 3:5-7) .God Bless !

Brother James, God's will is that all men come to LIFE and TRUTH.

I have a question?

What do you do when you depart this body of flesh? When only the spirit remains.

Hebrews 12:23 ....and to the spirits of just men made perfect....

Some of these men (apostles) were made perfect 2000 years ago; what have they been doing for 2000 years?

John 13:36 ....Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now (while you are in the flesh); but thou shall follow me afterwards (when only the spirit remains).

Christ is IN CREATION, (as the Holy Ghost), giving creation LIFE and bringing creation to TRUTH:

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ...

Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD, and FATHER OF ALL...

God is LIFE and TRUTH.

When you leave this flesh and only spirit remains, you are ONE with GOD, ONE SPIRIT, ONE LIFE, ONE TRUTH.

Revelation 10:11 .....thou (John, also you as a ministering spirit) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

John told the disciples to go unto ALL THE NATIONS preaching the kingdom of God; this is only possible after you become a spirit of a just man MADE PERFECT.

The IMAGE OF GOD.

GOD is SPIRIT.

God Bless YOU!

These verses by David show God's design before birth (verse 5-6) as well as in the future whether in heaven or hell (verse 8). There are some who would read the verses in Jonah and indicate that indeed he was dead under the earth (with his body remaining in the whale but his soul in sheol) in Jonah 2:6. The passages referring to the lowest hell being underneath the mountains also exist in Deut. 32:22.

Whatever the actual case in Jonah; for God's CHOSEN people He is certainly with them and cannot escape His presence. What is different; of course with believers and those NOT written in the Book of Life is that any grace is withdrawn; all are naked in Sheol for the wicked ( Job 26:6). For now; captivity has been taken captive; and there is no compartment anymore for the righteous in hell; for to be "absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." ( 2 Cor. 5:8); see also Eph. 4:8; Psalm 68:18. Verses 15-18 continue to describe God's foreknowledge and unlimited wisdom. Immediately after this; there is an impreccatory section in v. 19-22; followed by David's plea to discipline or chastise Him at the end of the Psalm to remove any wickedness; which He does to prune all of His saints. ( Hebrews 12:6; Rev. 3:19).

In order to have such an attitude of perfect love and perfect HATRED; we need to have His perfect righteousness. Therefore; we learn to love what He loves (which is against the flesh and it's desires); and hate what He hates as the Spirit and His Word reveal to us. It is not sinners themselves but sin in general as well as the god of this world that are our enemies. This will come when Isaiah 24:21 is fulfilled. David had his faults; but He spent much time meditating and praising the Lord and was himself a humble man from the start. When he did sin; he would acknowledge it without resistance when confronted with it. Without Nathan the prophet and God's chastisement with the census who knows how much more debased David could have become

Ephesians 2:8-9 Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Response- Yes, by grace we've been saved (past tense). We're told in the next verse that we're made for the purpose of good works. This gives evidence to genuine change in heart & we need to guard our heart (ref. Heb. 3: 12) That's why we can look to Rom 2:6-7 " Who will render to every man according to his deeds:To them who by patient CONTINUANCE in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE:" You can see from this text that salvation starts at the moment we believe on Christ, but, is not a 1x event. It is a lifelong walk. (Reference Rom. 6: 16 & Gal. 6: 7-9)

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Response- John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they FOLLOW me (present continuous tense). Those who actively follow Jesus will inherit eternal life. John 10:28 is such a blessing to know that no one can take me out of the love of Christ, but, even as Jude warns we are to keep ourselves in the love of Christ.

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are par takers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Response- Heb. 12:8 teaches how God corrects His children with the objective of bringing the backsliding back on the strait & narrow. However, we still have a free will and need to come back on our own. Ref. James 5:19-20; 2 Chron. 15: 2)

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Response- 1 Cor. 5:5 is talking about casting a sinner out of the church, as they could bring grave sin, hence a little leaven leaven the lump. Not a OSAS verse. See 1 Cor. 10: 7-12; 1 Cor. 15: 1-2

We are saved, are being saved, and will be saved it we endure to the end in Christ

Please note it starts: Hebrews 12:1, "Wherefore seeing we also ._.._"

Indicates this is connected to another statement. Please read Hebrews 11, then read Hebrews 12, together for better conext. Actually I believe starting with Hebrews 10:36-39, into Hebrews 11, continuing to Hebrews 12. Will give a more complete understanding of what's written.

Please remember the division in chapters & verses didn't exist when these Bible Books/Letters were written

Hopefully this is helpful in your study