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Good Morning Lynnshirley Your answer we have already been spiritually clothed with grace when born again

of Gods gift Holy Spirit its a package deal. Now Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto to the throne

of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. The context starts in verse one and

the rest and grace are in the believing! Also look at Epistle of John 3:20-22 Good stuff! Have a great day

GIVE THEM HEAVEN!

Sorry I didn't finish my thoughts completely on my posts: when trying to jump in & start observing the Sabbath I realized it wasn't just an easy decision. There is a bigger message. I quoted earlier many scriptures. It's very significant to GOD or it wouldn't be mentioned so much in Old & New Testament.

Is it pointing to CHRIST?

Hebrews 4:8-10, Is observing the Sabbath pointing to being ready for eternity? Hebrews 4:11,

Hebrews 4:12-16

I also noticed it says 'nor your laborers' one major thing I've observed which now saddens me is how often many will observe their own "Sabbath" either Saturday or Sunday or HOLYday/Holiday & flood into restaurants etc. overwhelmingly, then mistreat the "laborers" for example making them prepare meal while they "rested" or "worshipped", complaining about waitstaff not being attentive (while they have more people groups attending), or when 30 additional people arrive & certain favorite food isn't available. then they wonder why their "congregations" doesn't grow? If we could only get the bigger message! Jesus was directing us to LOVE, HE cares about the fatherless & widow. Example Mothers' Day: how often does the beloved Mothers get treated to meal or services 'out' being served by single 'Mothers of Fatherless children' whom GOD loves? James 1:27,

There is much to discuss & learn on this subject, I hope these were helpful to you.

Hi Tony. You may be referring to Exodus 31:12-17. This Law was given to Israel in line with Day 7 of the Days of Creation - the Day that God "rested (or, ceased) from all His work" ( Genesis 2:3). The Law, which included the keeping of the seventh day (the Sabbath), & circumcision, were the signs that made God's people a special, chosen people, unlike any other nation on Earth. As God ceased from His Work of creation, so He required His people (Israel) to set a specific day each week to also rest from their labours. And the fact that God sanctified the day (i.e. He set it apart as a special day), meant that Israel should engage themselves with other things other than going through the rigors of daily toil. So, it was a day of physical rest & also a day when their minds could re-focus on their Creator & learning more about Him.

Israel today still keep the Sabbath as required of them. But those of Judaism who have come out, finding new life & liberty in Jesus Christ & led of the Spirit are no longer under the Law ( Galatians 5:18), just as the Gentiles who are "without the Law" ( 1 Corinthians 9:21), are not required to be bound to it - to a Law that only showed man his sin & his incapability to fully obey it ( Romans 7:7 ff).

Both Jew & Gentile still need a rest day from hard toil - for the Jew, the seventh day was appointed. For the Christian, any day could be a day of physical rest. For the Jew, he went to the Temple or Synagogue on the Sabbath to worship God - for the Christian, he can worship God on any day he chooses. The early Church met on the first day of the week to worship ( Acts 20:7), fellowship & break bread together, remembering the Lord Who gave His Life for them & rose from the grave on the first day of the week. So, there is no commandment to break; the Sabbath for worship together does not apply to the Christian - some worship on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday - maybe even other days. But if Sabbath is forced upon Christians, then we have a problem.

Hi Beverly Campbell. Jesus was telling them that he was going to be crucified and taken. That the disciples would have to go to battle spiritually with the word which is sharper than any two edged sword.

Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." ... His Word is the ultimate truth, and we can find confidence in knowing it is our greatest weapon.

I hope this helps.

Thenbible says keeping is a sign between him and us does that mean if we worshio on sunday we are breaking the cammandent.

Hi Wanyama William Achuchi I give you words of encouragement and prayer. This is overcome with fasting and prayer to Yahweh! Jesus told his disciples this type can only come out by fasting and prayer. It is possible to stop. If you listen to music, only listen to gospel music. Surround yourself with people! Know the things that causes it. And cast down those imaginations. Yahweh, I am stepping in the gap for Wanyama William Achuchi who struggles with an addiction. I ask you that you give Wanyama William Achuchi strength, patience, fortitude, and all the tools Wanyama William Achuchi needs to overcome this. We know that this will be a battle which can take many, many, many years to overcome. Baby steps is in the keep, consider every improvement a plus. I ask this in Jesus name.

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May God answer your prayers and give you victory in your life, amen. Thank you Jesus.

Gigi The word tells me what my fight is and understanding of the old man nature the spirit lets me know always the correct action to take in my believing walk in Christ, I don't wake up with the mind set of a fight with the sin I gotta

focus on whats my next move God, I've learned when I sin thank God of course genuinely for forgiveness and move on absolutely no dwelling, learn from it yes but no dwelling.

In Gods eyes the word says we are saints which means separated one by the gospel I am no longer a sinner in a constant state the one I was born In I'm born again Gods Child

now I will commit sin or break fellowship but that does not make me a sinner. You can't be both. Now I'm sharing with you my heart and understanding and I'd rather believe this positive than walk around being fearful of making a mistake

which I know a lot of believers that constantly think there doing something wrong all the time. That condemnation is a trick of the devil. We are more than conquerors through Him that loved us and gave Himself for us. One other point if I feel unworthy how can I do or believe Hebrews 4:16. Let us come boldly to the throne of grace[we didn't earn it we just believe it] that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. None of us are good Enough to have what we have been given, its all grace. God Bless

I need prayers cause im strugling with porn

Hi Jean It is available for all believers to manifest or display power from on high Speaking in tongues, Jesus Christ spoke about this when addressing the samaritan woman when in John 4:23 +24 he said But the hour cometh and now is when the true worshipers shall worship the father in spirit and in truth for the father seeketh such to worship him. God is Spirit

and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth or truly by the spirit. That was the first display of

Gods spirit working on the day of pentecost birthday of the age of Grace. Some say special gift some say doesn't exist anymore some say not needed. 1 Corinthians 12 : Paul went from gift to in verse 7 to manifestation of the gift, it is a great benefit to the believer spiritually it is personal prayer between you and father not to be done out loud or out

of order because all things of God are done decent and in order This is not to say that believers who don't speak in tongues don't believe or love God, that is biblically not sound. My bible says confess Romans 10:9+10 and believe in your heart and act on Gods Word. My understanding

Hello, In the book of Acts, it seems that the gift of speaking in tongues (languages unknown to speaker) most likely manifested in believers following the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I does not say anywhere in Scripture that it always did.

The account of Paul in Acts 9:17-18 says that Ananias laid hands on Paul and the Holy Spirit caused the scales to fall from Paul's eyes, restoring is blindness from His encounter with the risen Christ. He was then baptized in water by Ananias. It does not say that Paul began to speak in tongues when he was filled with the Holy Spirit, although Paul does later say that he does speak in tongues. So, I believe that the Spirit gives diverse spiritual gifts to the body of Christ as e sees fit. Anyone who has been believed and been baptized as received the Holy Spirit. The "filling" of Holy Spirit is the Spirit equipping a person for the work He as for us to do to build up the body of Christ. It is adding spiritual power and abilities to the person to do the specific work God desires the person to carry out in ministry.

Hi Jean Hebrews 4 In regards to Speaking in tongues the wonderful works of God been doing that for 48 years

its not a over wired emotional controlled by God deal. Keep something in mind its Gods gift so you operate the gift

it does not operate you. It doesn't put you into an emotional frenzy or make you hit the floor or any of those out of

order things because the true God is a God of order. Its actually the opposite it gets you peaceful and calm on the inside. People do these things because of the examples they have seen

and believe that's the way it is that God Controls them. The True God never controls us he works in us to do of his good

will and pleasure Phil. 2:14. Last point there are biblically 12 things in scripture that S.I.T. does for the believer that's

another discussion. It is the first outward display of the spirit working on the day of pentecost also the apostle paul wrote

he thanked God he S.I.T. more than a whole assy. at corinth. That says something.

God is so wonderful; he has healed by body so many times. The doctors are amazed. I have learned that faith can carry through any situation of life. Also, why do young or new believers

have such challenges in their Christian walk? Should they be told that they are Not perfect yet

and if they era or make a mistake in their development that God is not going to discard them

and what scriptures back this up?? Also do all new believers speak with new tongues?? Do

you feel emotions when you speak in tongues like in the book of Acts???

Brother Dan.

My view on John 3:5.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. "Born of water" This has nothing to do with baptism by water. If this baptism have anything to do with this section of scripture it would be in verse 6 where Jesus says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirt. Romans 6:4. The water mentioned here I believe is the word of God!

John 17:17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. " The cleansing sanctifying power of the word!"

John 15:3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Hebrews 4:12. The word is alive!! A person must be born again by the use of the scripture and its the Holyspirit taking the scripture and using it. I've heard it put like this, You have Spirit of God using the word of God through the man of God.

Verse 11: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We "SPEAK" that we do know, and "TESTIFY" that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

It takes the spirit of God to be obedient to the word of God. It takes the spirit of God to receive the word of God. And it take the word of God to receive the spirit of God through baptism of the Holyspirit.

I haven't heard one person on this site said they wasn't baptized, So why quarrel about obedience in that regard? But many of us say it wasn't to add to what Christ done on the cross. Is that disobedience? If you believe keeping some ritual or commandments is your way to salvation, What does the cross mean to you? Christ wasn't sacrificed "JUST IN CASE YOU FALL SHORT" He was sacrificed because you couldn't. He paid the penalty BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL READY GUILTY.

God bless.

Sis That gets back to rightly divided doctrine, and No private interpretation which has been handed down through the ages. I do what I do because it works not because its a nice head trip, Jesus Christ walked and talked in the realm of the miraculous, we can too which I KNOW most people don't believe but that's not my problem, that's what my God through his Son paid for in full. Because of His Sacrifice and resurrection we can Hebrews 4:16, Romans 12:2, Ephesians 5:1+2,

Ephesians 1:19, John 10:10, 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 John 3:22, there are over 400 of these called promises to us who believe.

I've learned by walking out and doing that is believing, I never received nothing until I read listened and Acted which by the way is why its called the book of Acts, they believed and moved.

Sister GiGi, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Romans 8:11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any GOOD or EVIL, that the PURPOSE OF GOD according to election might stand, not of works, but if him that calleth;

Ephesian 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundations of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.

Hebrews 4:3 .... the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the word.

Abel was chose, Cain was not, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, all the prophets, etc., etc. were CHOSEN for the PURPOSE of GOD, all others were not CHOSEN during their first life in the flesh, but will be resurrected back to their flesh, and then be save, but according to the purpose and election of GOD, at each ones appointed time.

Those chosen in this age, are chosen for a PURPOSE OF GOD, to be PRIEST in the KINGDOM OF GOD, on this earth.

All others will have a different office in God's kingdom, but eventually brought into the priesthood.

Ezekiel 20:37 And I WILL CAUSE YOU to pass under the rod, and will bring you into the covenant of God.

In the OLD testament, every tenth one that passed under the ROD was and offering unto the LORD.

Malachi 3:3 ... that they may offer to the Lord an OFFERING in RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Isaiah 6:13 But yet in the land shall be a TENTH, and it (the tenth) shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (the HOLY SEED, CHRIST IN YOU) is in them, when they (the trees) cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.

Revelation 22:2 And in the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the TREE(S) OF LIFE which bear twelve manner of fruit every month: and the LEAVES OF THE TREE(S) was for the healing of the nations.

This is the purpose of those CHOSEN by election, in this AGE.

Hebrews 4:15 He cares.

I saw your request days ago and began lifting you up! Im praying for you LaTonya.

This is a difficult request for man. But nothing is too hard for The Lord!

Im reading in Matthew. It's such an amazing book! Jesus delivered people from demons healed the sick raised the dead! Surely He can do this for you! I pray in Jesus name amen!

Just do me a favor and don't Forget to come back and testify?

Hello Jackie Our rest is in our peace and believing that through Him Jesus Christ all needs are met and our final resting place or so to speak our promise land is going to be our Home In heaven in our new bodies. Hebrews 4:1-11

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Hello Ronald. Thank you brother for your thoughtful comments & I certainly respect the spirit that you have given them in. In considering both the individual aspects of your comments as well as its overall thrust, I would say that at the first, we need to determine Jesus' position pre-incarnate & post-incarnate. On this determination, hang all our beliefs & discussions of the Godhead (i.e. the Father, the Word & the Holy Spirit).

Re: Jesus' flesh. As I read the Word, I believe that Jesus was born of God entirely pure, i.e. with flesh untarnished with sin. It could be said that his flesh was as that of Adam, pre-fall. However, Adam sinned & the sin nature & propensity to sin passed on all of us, but Jesus refused to sin, that "he was on all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" ( Hebrews 4:15b) - still in the flesh but the sin nature couldn't take hold. Some would say that Jesus was the product of the fusing of the seed of God & the seed of Mary. I would tend to disagree; if anything directly human was involved in human production, then the sin nature has to be passed on. I believe that what was placed in Mary was entirely of God & Mary was the vehicle for bringing forth a child, in fulfilment of the prophecies concerning Him.

So, when I say 'Godhead', in lieu of 'Trinity', it is to firstly avoid the naysayers, & secondly to emphasize that the Godhead cannot be complete without the Word & the Spirit being vitally connected & a part of Almighty God's Being. If the Word proceeded out from God, as even He sends forth His Spirit, then the Word made flesh must be the exact personification of God, sans the humanity & the laying aside of His Glory that "He had with (God) before the world was" ( John 17:5).

My friend Thomas,

If you read the Bible correctly, you will find that Saturday, is the Sabbath and not Sunday.

Keep reading the Bible.

Yours,

Marco

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Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. Please know that my response is given in love with my only intention to glorify the Lord.

I understand what you are saying about not turning down service providers based on if they are believers or not, I certainly would not turn down bypass surgery or roof repair because the provider was not a believer; however, those services are quite different than "spiritual" or "mind" service providers. Heart surgery or roof repair is not doctrine or the word of God and has nothing to do with salvation or living a Godly life or solving behavioral (heart) problems ( Jeremiah 17:9, Mark 7:20-23).

When it comes to obeying the Lord and following His word, psychology just seems to be a secular (and ungodly) look at behavior. It is an attempt to explain why we do things and what the solution is without referring to God and His word. Psychology is an invention from worldly men who denied Jesus Christ (people like Freud, Wundt, Jung, Skinner, etc). Some psychologists even merge the word of God and secular theory which seems unbiblical to me (we are to be set apart from this world - John 15:19, Romans 12:1-3, 1 John 2:15-17).

I guess what I am really asking is - to put it how you were phrasing it - if someone was 'sick' (spiritually) why would they go to a secular physician (psychologist) and not a spiritual physician (Jesus)? We even have a behavioral manual (the Word). The bible seems to continually say that the Lord and His word are sufficient, exactly what we need and that we should avoid the wisdom of men ( 2 Timothy 2:15-16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 2:25, Hebrews 4:14-16, Isaiah 55:7-9). 1 Corinthians 2:11-16. When we become a Christian, we have the mind of Christ, which is spiritual - not worldly. Jesus is our counselor ( Isaiah 9:6) and he knows us ( John 2:25).

It seems that as a Christian we either believe that the word of God is sufficient for all spiritual problems or we don't.

BTW - this is not for me, it involves a family member.

Please read these scriptures & pray for understanding, if you have any trouble seeing this mystery = James 1:5

Romans 8:3

Isaiah 53

John 3:16

1 Peter 2:22

Hebrews 4 the chapter

Hebrews 4:15

Hopefully these are helpful :)

Isaiah 58 whole chapter

Isaiah 58 :13

Deuteronomy 5:14

Mathew 12:1-8

Mark 2:27 -28

Luke 6 most of chapter

Hopefully that's helpful

I don't know about Seattle, but there are many great preachers on FM Radio you can listen to daily. Greg Laurie is on there and has a new spot on cable too.

He has a channel on YouTube too. There's no reason for you to starve spiritually until you can find that church that is a perfect FIT for you.

Some Churches are trying to help Gay Lifestyle folks, COME TO JESUS.

If it was me in Seattle, I would email Greg Lauries's ministry (Harvest Church)

He lives in California. He will know of a church in Seattle you can start attending. Include a zipcode?

Praying and the Bible was taken out if public schools in 1962. People have gone in every direction since then. Romans chapter 1 describes them.

God wants you to be in a Church that nurtures your spirit and helps you to grow as a Christian.

I was a street preacher just like Greg. Seen everything. We are to keep ourselves spotless from worldly activity. I do understand your desire to find a place to learn, fellowship and help out if needed.

Go Look up that CONTACT US, email name

May the Lord lead you and keep you.

Mishael

Hello, Likely, there is a gospel mission/tract effort in Seattle that you can fellowship with.

2 Timothy 3:13-17. Does this relate to things like 'Christian' psychologists or psychology in general? Things like the DSM or personality disorders, etc. Isn't God's word sufficient? Psychology is rooted in the wisdom of man (and from those who denied Christ no less like Freud and Jung) so why should we listen to them when we have the word of God? 1 Corinthians 2:5, Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 16:25, 2 Timothy 4:1-4, 1 John 2:15-17, Hebrews 4:12. Are these not related to 2 Timothy 3:13-17? Do we need to be 'diagnosed'? Are psychology and God's word compatible? If they are I would like to see some scripture that points to this (I know the Bible will not say 'psychology' specifically). This is important to me and my family as it is seeping in at the moment and I want to approach this biblically.

Is Sunday the day of rest?-- am I violating this day of rest by watching NFL football? (I live in Seattle and can't find a conservative fundamental church) most churches here that have remained open lean heavily LGBTQ2+ oriented. (pure evil IMO)

Hi Karen.

I would like to add to what Brother Jesse shared,

Hebrews 4:11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

"This is A CALL BEFORE HAND, not a call afterwards.". IT SAYS ENTER INTO HIS REST "LEST" YOU FALL. and that rest is to rest from your works, The only way you can fall is unbelief, and if you have unbelief you never entered in. The unbelief is NOT taking stock in HIS REST AND OUR REST HE HAS GIVEN US MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS VERSES.

If we refuses the finish work on the cross and insist in a works based salvation plan you have not joined him in his rest, and may fall after the same example of unbelief, ( Disbelieving in the rest we have when joined to Christ. )

Hebrews 4:10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

God bless.