Discuss Hebrews 5 Page 4

PG 2.

Lets revisit the text starting from-

Hebrews 5:11-14. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Paul is urging them towards maturity.

Now lets take up Hebrews 6:7-9.

For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

Verse 8: But that which ""beareth thorns and briers"" is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

THE KEY IS IN VERSE 9.

Verse 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and ( things that accompany salvation,) though we thus speak. WHAT ACCOMPANIES SALVATION? FRUIT AND REWARDS.

Verse 8 parallels with

Isaiah 5:6-7. And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

Also. Link

You see the whole concept here. Link

You see these verses can not be about salvation, if so we're all in trouble.

Its about what accompany salvation.

I hope that helps.

John 3:13: This chapter finds Jesus talking with Nicodemus about heavenly/spiritual things, which sadly, Nicodemus was ignorant of. He asks in verse 9, "How can these things be?", or in other words, 'Jesus, you're telling me strange things which I find impossible to accept & believe in'. So Jesus goes on to tell him that it's not only heavenly things but also earthly things that he doesn't understand. Then verse 13 refers to Jesus being the only one that is qualified to bring 'that heavenly light' to people as He was the one to come down from Heaven. And none else filled this position or was qualified, as not even Elijah or Enoch or even the OT saints have gone into Heaven & come back to Earth to reveal such Divine insights.

Psalm 2:7: This is one of many Messianic Psalms which have a reference to the coming Messiah (see also Psalms 8, 16, 22, 34, 35, 40, etc.). David would not have had full knowledge of what God had put on his heart to write, except that God did have a plan, that through David there would be in the future an everlasting kingdom ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13). Whether David felt there was some reference to him in Psalm 2:7, is not known, but he knew ultimately that these words did not apply only to Him but to Another, as we read the whole Psalm. Even the NT writers referred to it: Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5, indicating that they too saw Psalm 2:7 as ultimately referring to the Messiah. So, you're correct that it is God speaking to (or, inspiring) David to write the Psalm, but many Psalms & other OT writings are prophetical pointing to Jesus, as even Jesus Himself looked back at those prophecies that spoke of Him & urged others to do so ( John 5:39).

I don't understand why people want to condemn others who believe in God a certain way. We all worship the same God. There is only one true God and only one way to God. Through His Son Jesus Christ. Who was a free gift from our Father to pay for our sins. Having faith and giving yourself to Jesus Christ is the most important thing.

There is only one God our Father. Should we not honor the Son as we honor the Father? Like we're told. Does not Jesus Christ have all the power and authority of the Father? Given to Him by the Father. I myself don't believe Jesus Christ is God the Father but that the Father is in Him and He in the Father. I also believe in the deity of Christ that He was with the Father before He came to earth. Like He says. Can I explain all this? No. That's what I believe and it all came to me through the Holy Bible.

A couple verses showing God the Father is not Jesus Christ:

Matthew 26:39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

John 8:17-18, 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of Myself, and the Father that sent Me beareth witness of Me.

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us

( 2 Peter 1:17-18, 17 For He received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with Him in the holy mount.

Why can't some believe in two, plus the Holy Ghost, which is three in this new covenant? One God.

I love Jesus as my personal saviour

Alex, It is you who has taken the word of God out of context, so as to further the lie you teach. Saved by the fire, regardless of what a person believes, is not by faith in Christ to have paid for sins. Jesus did say, "it is finished", that is, the work of salvation which he finished on the cross. "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Hebrews 5:9, not ALL, as you say, will enter eternity as saved. Alex, you diminish the sacrifice of Jesus.

While I address this reply to Alex, I know he will not hear. But this forum is open to many others who come here with an intent to hear and see God's word. It is no surprise that agents of Satan will be here to slander God's word. They operate as the fowls following the sower, to take away the seed of truth. Luke 8:12

I agree with you my brother. By your response, I know that you are genuine..back to the "Parable of the sower" the right seed planted in the wrong ground never produces anything and as such will not yield any fruit. Hearts must be good ground and receptive to receive the benefit of the word. Jesus taught using real life examples to teach...for example he said over and over, "The Kingdom of Heaven is like." I believe that one of the ways that we can show that Jesus is also a Father is to look at our own family relationships, beginning with Adam, the father of Seth, the father of Noah, the father of Shem....the father of Terah, the father of Abraham, the father of Isacc, the father of Israel. The title of father is being handed down through generations even in our own families. Christ is Father to us who believe in him that he is not just the Son but has also inherited the title of Father...we are called his little children because we are begotten of him through his blood through the lineage of King David who is our father too. Jesus is Son of God and Son of Man.

Another example is that God called the first man and woman Adam which means earth ( Gen 5:3). Adam (male) was the one to name Adam his wife (female) eve. Because they are our foreparents all of humanity is called "earth"...besides read John 10:34-38 and Psalm 82:1-6. Those who are born of God the Psalmist says are gods. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" ( John 10:30-33; Deuteronomy 6:4; Philippians 2:6).

Jesus also called the church his bride so we are also one with him.

Any title of God is inherited by Christ who is the begotten of the Father ( Psalm 2:7; Hebrews 5:5). Our children refer to us as father and mother although we ourselves call out parents the same...I hope this helps.

Why do preachers persist in telling Gentile Congregations that everything that Jesus taught and said while He was on earth was directed to them? It clearly was not because He was talking to Jews under the law the whole time. No Gentile was allowed in to a synagogue. He was talking to Jews when he gave the Disciples the great commission. He told the disciples Matt.10:5-6, not to go to the Gentiles. They were also called dogs by him as well as all Jews, (Ref. the caananite woman who asked for help). People are going to Hell because they are not being told the truth. The Apostle Paul called by Jesus. Plainly stated, that Gospel we are saved by is the one in 1Cor. 15:1-4 and stated in Galatians Ch. 1, that anybody that preached any other, Let him be accursed and that he got it by revelation from Jesus Himself. Jesus never preached any gospel but the Gospel of the Kingdom. He could not, because He had not been crucified yet. I know a lot of what He said was for our learning as Paul said, but He came here to fulfill the covenant promises , to be the King of the Jews AND to turn them into a nation of priests, who would then take salvation to the Gentiles. This failed because of the unbelief of his own people. Paul also stated in the bible that we, Jew and Gentile, would be judged by the righteous judge, according to his gospel, which was the Gospel of Grace ( 1Cor. 15:1-4). Why aren't people being told that? Again, people are filling pews every Sunday, thinking they are saved and are going to hell because they have not been told the truth. This is ALL in the book and preachers are not preaching it... WHY??? Don't tell me that the Apostle Paul has no standing because He was called by Jesus himself and wrote half the New Testament AFTER he spent three years in Arabia probably on Mount Sinai, getting a three year Revelation from Jesus, the same as the Disciples got from Him in person when He preached the Gospel of the Kingdom.

What things did Jesus sufferwhereby he learned obedeince

Wheat is the forbidden fruit itself. It is the herb of the field. We will eat it in the sweat of our face because it causes Celiac Disease and a host of other autoimmune problems. Men were the hunters, woman the gatherers. Woman were the first to gather the seeds of wheat and then make bread which was then offered to the men. So it was. No one to blame. In sorry most continue to eat it all the days of their life, never realizing the cause of their intestinal demise. Hippocrates said, "all disease begins in the gut" and "let food be thy medicine." The hunters had it right.

Eat meat, not wheat! They next chapter, the story of Cain and Abel will tell you the same. This was our fall from grace.

Melchizedek was a King of Salem (an old reference to a city that eventually became the position of modern Jerusalem) & a priest. In those early days, gentile kings often had the duty of being a priest as well to their people. Though he was a gentile (a Canaanite) but one of such standing & belief of the True God, that he was not only worthy of mention, but his lack of revealed ancestry, provided a picture of the eternal priesthood of Jesus (to which Hebrews ascribe).

When you read the Genesis 14 account of Abraham & Melchizedek, we see that this king acknowledged Abraham returning from war & provided him & his men victuals to sustain them. In return, Abraham gave to him tithes (a tenth) of the spoils of war, thereby acknowledging his position & help given & the blessing of God upon him for doing this for God's servant. Ordinarily, such a gentile would not have been given much attention & respect, but Melchizedek was a different character in many ways.

Who was melchisedes....

Wesley's Notes for Hebrews 5:7

The sum of the things treated of in the seventh and following chapters is contained, Heb 5:7-10; and in this sum is admirably comprised the process of his passion, with its inmost causes, in the very terms used by the evangelists. Who in the days of his flesh - Those two days, in particular, wherein his sufferings were at the height. Having offered up prayers and supplications - Thrice. With strong crying and tears - In the garden. To him that was able to save him from death - Which yet he endured, in obedience to the will of his Father. And being heard in that which he particularly feared - When the cup was offered him first, there was set before him that horrible image of a painful, shameful, accursed death, which moved him to pray conditionally against it: for, if he had desired it, his heavenly Father would have sent him more than twelve legions of angels to have delivered him. But what he most exceedingly feared was the weight of infinite justice; the being bruised and put to grief by the hand of God himself. Compared with this, everything else was a mere nothing; and yet, so greatly did he ever thirst to be obedient to the righteous will of his Father, and to lay down even his life for the sheep, that he vehemently longed to be baptized with this baptism, Lu 12:50. Indeed, his human nature needed the support of Omnipotence; and for this he sent up strong crying and tears: but, throughout his whole life, he showed that it was not the sufferings he was to undergo, but the dishonour that sin had done to so holy a God, that grieved his spotless soul. The consideration of its being the will of God tempered his fear, and afterwards swallowed it up; and he was heard not so that the cup should pass away, but so that he drank it without any fear.

People's Bible Notes for Hebrews 5:7

Who in the days of his flesh. Christ, while on earth, is referred to. When he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying

Sometimes I wonder if those asking questions are forgetting that the Holy Spirit is the TEACHER of all born again people. You are to cross check everything with Holy Spirit. Learn how to discern Fruit. Bad fruit is stinking doctrine. Be strong enough to say: you are wrong.

Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

2 Timothy 4:3

For the TIME WILL COME when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own LUSTS shall they (you) heap to themselves teachers: having itching ears.

Hebrews 5:12

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Titus 2:3

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them WHICH CAUSE divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID them.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

Galatians 5:22-23

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Mishael

Hebrews 5:12

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

We each have to lay down, layer upon layer, of Knowledge. It involves turning the tv off and reading through Books (plural) of the Bible. What's your real life appetite for food?

television, media, Twitter are Junk Food.

Start consuming the Bible on your own resolve.

This Website has a great Search Engine that I hope you are using for some of your questions.

It includes Commentaries by Matthew Henry and others.

It has a quickie link to Google who checks to see what it has for your scripture and verse.

If you will learn how to use this website's Bible Study helps, you'll have more fun studying.

Born again people, HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST. We have The Holy Spirit as our Teacher. John 16. You have to initiate a one to one relationship to HIM. Ask Him. Pray for a teachable spirit.

This website gleans posted comments that are alike in subject. Useful to see what others think on that subject. Explore all of the Links. Click on everything :D

Glad that this chapter explained the difference between a "babe and a mature Christian." Often when one becomes a New

Christian, some believe that they should know everything about God at once. Some want them to stop doing, going or wearing

what they did prior to accepting Christ. It can be a gradual step just like a Baby. They should not be abused or casted down

because they do not immediately act as Mature Christians. Just as it takes a Baby time to develop , so does it take time for

Baby Christian. There hearts will be convicted as they walk with God. Be careful how you speak to them. They will learn by

your good example of being a Mature Christian.

Remember in the desert how El Shaddai took Moses aside and told him, when the Priest following Korah were immolated and others swallowed whole into Sheol, that He would decimate these rebels and make a people of Moses. And God was willing to destroy them with a plague. Moses interceded and stayed El Shaddai. He would talk to the people and bring them in line. Today a plague, which have no doubt comes from God and threatens to destroy en masse. This is from El Shaddai for our iniquities!!! Righteousness have devolved into partisan bickering. The Truth is elusive and facts are contorted to fit our leader's agenda!!. Evangelicals are largely responsible in that they were willing to compromise their values in order to facilitate their anti choice agenda, their anti personal freedom agenda. So they made a deal with Satan, that got their inarguably evil leader in place. So, this is what we have. Historically bad leadership on an historically bad plague. We as American's are laughing stock, while evangelicals pray to a Jesus that wouldn't return to earth from the sky with heralding angels to save anyone from this pandemic!

Sin is what makes us die for as one sins one gets used to sin and is addicted reason we envy,jealous and eventually kill another,oppress another because you have the power to do so;death is not God's intention for us but when we get to know that reality we no longer babes but mature spirit driven knowing the good and bad subconsciously,during this Covid-19 novelty God Jehova wants human beings to know something about His power,not our power.

Page 2.

b. do you go to Confession for absolution? 1 Timothy 2:5 tells us that there is only one Mediator between God & man & His Name is Jesus. By believing that a priest can hear & absolve your sins shows that Christ is not approachable & cannot forgive, yet 1 John 1:9 says ""If we confess our sins (to whom?), he (Jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". We have our High Priest seated in Heaven (see Hebrews 5:5,6 & 10:21,22): there is no Priest, Cardinal or Pope that can ever do the work of Jesus in Heaven for us.

c. do you believe in the Eucharist that Christ's Body & Blood are physically evident there? Every time you partake of it, you are sacrificing Christ, or continuing Christ's sacrifice perpetually. Jesus died for your sins once only - we do great wrong to perpetually put Him to the Cross. Romans 6:9,10: "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth NO MORE; death hath NO MORE dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Jesus is no longer at the Cross - He is seated at the Father's right Hand, continually interceding for His children ( Romans 8:34).

d. do you study God's Word for yourself or leave it up to the Priest to teach you? 2 Timothy 2:15, says to read & study God's Word for yourself & allow Him to speak to you from it. For many years, Catholics were not allowed to read the Bible for themselves, being told that they won't be able to understand it. So many blindly followed what they were taught - some are now reading the Bible for themselves & seeing new things. That is why we get such questions here: they may be very simple basic questions, but for those people, they were never told the Truth & so are desperate for answers. Please read the references I've given & other portions of the Bible in your devotion times with God: God will speak to you directly.

Joseph,

1 Corinthians 10:3, John 6:27, John 6:51, 1 Peter 2:2, Hebrews 5:12-14 are just a few of many places. In John 4:32, after Jesus' disciples brought Him physical food, Jesus said "I have meat to eat that ye know not of."

I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, but Christians have somewhat many times, where you are physically hungry, and you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference. That physical hunger or physical thirst somehow just disappears!

The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting in John Chapter 4 is that the woman left her waterpot behind. Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.

And you may want to check out 2Peter 3:3-8, with Isaiah 28:9-10 & Hebrews 5:10 bringing Melchisedec into the mix?!?

Jesus set the pattern for us in learning how to endure. In vs. 7 Jesus relied on his heavenly father " with strong crying & tears" to help him endure his death on a torture stake. Jesus never broke his integrity to his father Jehovah, and the results" He was heard". So many of us are experiencing many trials right now as a result of the global pandemic 2020. It may feel like we are enduring a torture stake of our own. However, let us call out to God as Jesus did, in prayer. With tears and supplication if need be. If we remain loyal to God in word and deed, he will hear our cries for help just as he heard Jesus. Stay strong everybody!

Hebrews 5:14 - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to DISCERN both good and evil. 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually DISCERNED (We need the Holy Spirit to give us CORRECT discernment or we will lose our way).
1 Kings 3:9 - Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may DISCERN BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" When a Christian discerns the WRONG way, he/she is to turn away from it.

An earthly priest is a shepherd unto Gods children.A good shepherd, will lead his sheep so that they will learn what is the good path , a good shepherd will know how to do this because he understands the dangers that surround him and His flock.His infirmities like the sheep are the same. The shepherd called, are a priest unto a high priest, who is Christ. Their is no priest between the sheep and the shepherd, only the high priest ,Jesus Christ.

I am confused by your comment. Are you denying the deity of Christ? Jesus was not just a man who was anointed by God. He is God in the flesh. Sin is passed down through man. Jesus was born of a virgin, therefore, he had no sin. We are born into sin because we are conceived by the seed of a human man. Before Abraham was I AM. Jesus existed before us. It is clear in scripture

My fellow brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus and his father. I believe evil is at work more than ever before and if you believe, you have truth then you know what time it is. Thanks to the internet poison has spread to every soul all across the globe. Through their eyes and ears innocence is lost and more reason to be accepting of sinful behavior and become unsure of right and wrong. Hebrews 5:8

In my heart my understanding of the first few verses harkens to how we can facilitate love and forgiveness more powerfully through the humility of seeing the shortcomings in ourselves, which also compels us to be compassionate to ourselves as well as others. It strikes me that our faith in God becomes a stronger part us through this practice of love with truth and goodness duty for existence path

Jesus had no sin and being born is not sin, David even says he was born in sin like being born into a pool. That scripture also must be taken in context because David was talking to God about the sin he did and he basically was like I was born into this, I was shaped in immoral behavior the flesh Psalms 51: 5 "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me."

Matthew 26:39 Matthew 26:42 Galatians 3:13-14

Thanks a lot for your response, however, I would like to bring to understanding that that's not what Jesus prayed for, Jesus prayed to God to save him from death, he didn't want to drink from the cup of suffering and his prayers were hard. Why would God punish Jesus for our sins, what wrong did he commit to deserve such a punishment. The bible says anyone put to death on a pole is cursed Gal 3:13

Jesus prayed for "God's will" to be done, not his own. And it was answered, God's will was that Jesus die on the Cross in order to be our substitute, our savior. Jesus was made to taste death, that all who accept Jesus as their Savior may live.