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Wheat is the forbidden fruit itself. It is the herb of the field. We will eat it in the sweat of our face because it causes Celiac Disease and a host of other autoimmune problems. Men were the hunters, woman the gatherers. Woman were the first to gather the seeds of wheat and then make bread which was then offered to the men. So it was. No one to blame. In sorry most continue to eat it all the days of their life, never realizing the cause of their intestinal demise. Hippocrates said, "all disease begins in the gut" and "let food be thy medicine." The hunters had it right.

Eat meat, not wheat! They next chapter, the story of Cain and Abel will tell you the same. This was our fall from grace.

Melchizedek was a King of Salem (an old reference to a city that eventually became the position of modern Jerusalem) & a priest. In those early days, gentile kings often had the duty of being a priest as well to their people. Though he was a gentile (a Canaanite) but one of such standing & belief of the True God, that he was not only worthy of mention, but his lack of revealed ancestry, provided a picture of the eternal priesthood of Jesus (to which Hebrews ascribe).

When you read the Genesis 14 account of Abraham & Melchizedek, we see that this king acknowledged Abraham returning from war & provided him & his men victuals to sustain them. In return, Abraham gave to him tithes (a tenth) of the spoils of war, thereby acknowledging his position & help given & the blessing of God upon him for doing this for God's servant. Ordinarily, such a gentile would not have been given much attention & respect, but Melchizedek was a different character in many ways.

Who was melchisedes....

Wesley's Notes for Hebrews 5:7

The sum of the things treated of in the seventh and following chapters is contained, Heb 5:7-10; and in this sum is admirably comprised the process of his passion, with its inmost causes, in the very terms used by the evangelists. Who in the days of his flesh - Those two days, in particular, wherein his sufferings were at the height. Having offered up prayers and supplications - Thrice. With strong crying and tears - In the garden. To him that was able to save him from death - Which yet he endured, in obedience to the will of his Father. And being heard in that which he particularly feared - When the cup was offered him first, there was set before him that horrible image of a painful, shameful, accursed death, which moved him to pray conditionally against it: for, if he had desired it, his heavenly Father would have sent him more than twelve legions of angels to have delivered him. But what he most exceedingly feared was the weight of infinite justice; the being bruised and put to grief by the hand of God himself. Compared with this, everything else was a mere nothing; and yet, so greatly did he ever thirst to be obedient to the righteous will of his Father, and to lay down even his life for the sheep, that he vehemently longed to be baptized with this baptism, Lu 12:50. Indeed, his human nature needed the support of Omnipotence; and for this he sent up strong crying and tears: but, throughout his whole life, he showed that it was not the sufferings he was to undergo, but the dishonour that sin had done to so holy a God, that grieved his spotless soul. The consideration of its being the will of God tempered his fear, and afterwards swallowed it up; and he was heard not so that the cup should pass away, but so that he drank it without any fear.

People's Bible Notes for Hebrews 5:7

Who in the days of his flesh. Christ, while on earth, is referred to. When he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying

Sometimes I wonder if those asking questions are forgetting that the Holy Spirit is the TEACHER of all born again people. You are to cross check everything with Holy Spirit. Learn how to discern Fruit. Bad fruit is stinking doctrine. Be strong enough to say: you are wrong.

Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

2 Timothy 4:3

For the TIME WILL COME when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own LUSTS shall they (you) heap to themselves teachers: having itching ears.

Hebrews 5:12

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Titus 2:3

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them WHICH CAUSE divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID them.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

Galatians 5:22-23

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Mishael

Hebrews 5:12

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

We each have to lay down, layer upon layer, of Knowledge. It involves turning the tv off and reading through Books (plural) of the Bible. What's your real life appetite for food?

television, media, Twitter are Junk Food.

Start consuming the Bible on your own resolve.

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Born again people, HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST. We have The Holy Spirit as our Teacher. John 16. You have to initiate a one to one relationship to HIM. Ask Him. Pray for a teachable spirit.

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Glad that this chapter explained the difference between a "babe and a mature Christian." Often when one becomes a New

Christian, some believe that they should know everything about God at once. Some want them to stop doing, going or wearing

what they did prior to accepting Christ. It can be a gradual step just like a Baby. They should not be abused or casted down

because they do not immediately act as Mature Christians. Just as it takes a Baby time to develop , so does it take time for

Baby Christian. There hearts will be convicted as they walk with God. Be careful how you speak to them. They will learn by

your good example of being a Mature Christian.

Remember in the desert how El Shaddai took Moses aside and told him, when the Priest following Korah were immolated and others swallowed whole into Sheol, that He would decimate these rebels and make a people of Moses. And God was willing to destroy them with a plague. Moses interceded and stayed El Shaddai. He would talk to the people and bring them in line. Today a plague, which have no doubt comes from God and threatens to destroy en masse. This is from El Shaddai for our iniquities!!! Righteousness have devolved into partisan bickering. The Truth is elusive and facts are contorted to fit our leader's agenda!!. Evangelicals are largely responsible in that they were willing to compromise their values in order to facilitate their anti choice agenda, their anti personal freedom agenda. So they made a deal with Satan, that got their inarguably evil leader in place. So, this is what we have. Historically bad leadership on an historically bad plague. We as American's are laughing stock, while evangelicals pray to a Jesus that wouldn't return to earth from the sky with heralding angels to save anyone from this pandemic!

Sin is what makes us die for as one sins one gets used to sin and is addicted reason we envy,jealous and eventually kill another,oppress another because you have the power to do so;death is not God's intention for us but when we get to know that reality we no longer babes but mature spirit driven knowing the good and bad subconsciously,during this Covid-19 novelty God Jehova wants human beings to know something about His power,not our power.

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b. do you go to Confession for absolution? 1 Timothy 2:5 tells us that there is only one Mediator between God & man & His Name is Jesus. By believing that a priest can hear & absolve your sins shows that Christ is not approachable & cannot forgive, yet 1 John 1:9 says ""If we confess our sins (to whom?), he (Jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". We have our High Priest seated in Heaven (see Hebrews 5:5,6 & 10:21,22): there is no Priest, Cardinal or Pope that can ever do the work of Jesus in Heaven for us.

c. do you believe in the Eucharist that Christ's Body & Blood are physically evident there? Every time you partake of it, you are sacrificing Christ, or continuing Christ's sacrifice perpetually. Jesus died for your sins once only - we do great wrong to perpetually put Him to the Cross. Romans 6:9,10: "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth NO MORE; death hath NO MORE dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Jesus is no longer at the Cross - He is seated at the Father's right Hand, continually interceding for His children ( Romans 8:34).

d. do you study God's Word for yourself or leave it up to the Priest to teach you? 2 Timothy 2:15, says to read & study God's Word for yourself & allow Him to speak to you from it. For many years, Catholics were not allowed to read the Bible for themselves, being told that they won't be able to understand it. So many blindly followed what they were taught - some are now reading the Bible for themselves & seeing new things. That is why we get such questions here: they may be very simple basic questions, but for those people, they were never told the Truth & so are desperate for answers. Please read the references I've given & other portions of the Bible in your devotion times with God: God will speak to you directly.

Joseph,

1 Corinthians 10:3, John 6:27, John 6:51, 1 Peter 2:2, Hebrews 5:12-14 are just a few of many places. In John 4:32, after Jesus' disciples brought Him physical food, Jesus said "I have meat to eat that ye know not of."

I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, but Christians have somewhat many times, where you are physically hungry, and you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference. That physical hunger or physical thirst somehow just disappears!

The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting in John Chapter 4 is that the woman left her waterpot behind. Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.

And you may want to check out 2Peter 3:3-8, with Isaiah 28:9-10 & Hebrews 5:10 bringing Melchisedec into the mix?!?

Jesus set the pattern for us in learning how to endure. In vs. 7 Jesus relied on his heavenly father " with strong crying & tears" to help him endure his death on a torture stake. Jesus never broke his integrity to his father Jehovah, and the results" He was heard". So many of us are experiencing many trials right now as a result of the global pandemic 2020. It may feel like we are enduring a torture stake of our own. However, let us call out to God as Jesus did, in prayer. With tears and supplication if need be. If we remain loyal to God in word and deed, he will hear our cries for help just as he heard Jesus. Stay strong everybody!

Hebrews 5:14 - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to DISCERN both good and evil. 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually DISCERNED (We need the Holy Spirit to give us CORRECT discernment or we will lose our way).
1 Kings 3:9 - Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may DISCERN BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" When a Christian discerns the WRONG way, he/she is to turn away from it.

An earthly priest is a shepherd unto Gods children.A good shepherd, will lead his sheep so that they will learn what is the good path , a good shepherd will know how to do this because he understands the dangers that surround him and His flock.His infirmities like the sheep are the same. The shepherd called, are a priest unto a high priest, who is Christ. Their is no priest between the sheep and the shepherd, only the high priest ,Jesus Christ.

I am confused by your comment. Are you denying the deity of Christ? Jesus was not just a man who was anointed by God. He is God in the flesh. Sin is passed down through man. Jesus was born of a virgin, therefore, he had no sin. We are born into sin because we are conceived by the seed of a human man. Before Abraham was I AM. Jesus existed before us. It is clear in scripture

My fellow brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus and his father. I believe evil is at work more than ever before and if you believe, you have truth then you know what time it is. Thanks to the internet poison has spread to every soul all across the globe. Through their eyes and ears innocence is lost and more reason to be accepting of sinful behavior and become unsure of right and wrong. Hebrews 5:8

In my heart my understanding of the first few verses harkens to how we can facilitate love and forgiveness more powerfully through the humility of seeing the shortcomings in ourselves, which also compels us to be compassionate to ourselves as well as others. It strikes me that our faith in God becomes a stronger part us through this practice of love with truth and goodness duty for existence path

Jesus had no sin and being born is not sin, David even says he was born in sin like being born into a pool. That scripture also must be taken in context because David was talking to God about the sin he did and he basically was like I was born into this, I was shaped in immoral behavior the flesh Psalms 51: 5 "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me."

Matthew 26:39 Matthew 26:42 Galatians 3:13-14

Thanks a lot for your response, however, I would like to bring to understanding that that's not what Jesus prayed for, Jesus prayed to God to save him from death, he didn't want to drink from the cup of suffering and his prayers were hard. Why would God punish Jesus for our sins, what wrong did he commit to deserve such a punishment. The bible says anyone put to death on a pole is cursed Gal 3:13

Jesus prayed for "God's will" to be done, not his own. And it was answered, God's will was that Jesus die on the Cross in order to be our substitute, our savior. Jesus was made to taste death, that all who accept Jesus as their Savior may live.

This short chapter shows that some things are just harder to understand! "Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and them that are out of the way for that he himself is also compassed with infirmity. see verse 2

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffers,says Paul of Melchisidec, who was a High Priest, as was Jesus, chosen by God, as was Jesus to offer sacrifice for sin, his and others."Oh no! Jesus had no sin" To be born into flesh is sin, in that we automatically assume differentiation from God, but there is atonement, and mercy thru tears, praying for forgiveness,

What did Jesus ever do to provoke the hypocrites? He exposed their hypocrisy! And why not even from out of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? If you're about to be hauled before the Judge, don't you want to do everything to cooperate and seek lenience? Or when He has frankly forgiven you everything, BECAUSE you had nothing to pay; do you look for some fellow servant to take by the throat?

Yes, Steve, Nowhere! When the Lord taught the crowds He used parables; (short stories that are told for to making moral and spiritual points); which every man hearing could in his integrity of heart and fear of God receive good and well as it was ever intended when God spoke it to him. Likewise when a man has no place for faith or fear of God, he cannot hear what's plainly spoken; but hardens.

Servant.. many religious experts believe so I don't believe they are the same and I am convinced I have the Holy Ghost. Matthew Henry said in his abridged commentary that referring to Melchizedek having no parents, no begaining or ending of days refers to no documentation of his history. Christophanies and Theophanies Christ pre-incarnate appearances are not easily understood but few Deut: 29, 29.

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;" The 'oracles of God' is another way of saying, the Word of God. We can spend a lifetime in church, and still be terribly ignorant of God's Word. And God's word, unknown, can do little to teach us truth. We must make it a part of ourselves, by study and prayer

Not that there hasn't been Spirit beings walking the earth. Enoch, Elijah, Isaiah, Moses, Melchisidek, Jesus. All served God with whole heart, and mind, and being. It is possible for anyone or why did God write his law and testimonies thru his Prophets. In fact we are constructed in His image, in that we are Spirit filled beings, if one were to reflect upon this truth. It is God's will this.