Discuss Hebrews 8 Page 3

Tabernacle also as per Old Testament: Exodus 25:8,9, Exodus 26, there is much detail in the Tabernacle GOD had Moses build in several more chapters following Exodus 25, 26, 27, 30

Exodus 30:36, Exodus 33:7, Ezekiel 37:27,

2Corinthians 5:1,4, Hebrews 8:1-13, - Hebrews 9:1-28,

Interesting it also has been referred to as temporary, moveable, place of worship & to meet GOD.

Hopefully this is also helpful

I think you may find your answers in : 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, Luke 1, Luke 2, 1 Corinthians 12, John 11:51,

Hebrews 3:1-6, Hebrews 4:14-16, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8:1-13, Hebrews 9, Hebrews 10,

Romans 12:4-6, Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Thank you for that extra information, Dr. Lee. I understand that you apply the term, Old Testament', to the other Laws, whereas we commonly refer to the OT as that part of the Bible that contains all the testaments/covenants with their applications, ramifications, & performance by the people. When you refer to Galatians 3:19, I read that it speaks of the Law, ordained (not created) by angels; for it's not in their power to create. And this Law has to include all the Law & not only the other Laws, as in Galatians 3:10-17.

It seems that it would be easier & more understandable to all if we spoke of the Law given as the Ten Commandments & the Other Laws. To introduce the wording: 'Old Testament' into this seems misleading as the Testament is the Covenant which must also include all the Laws applicable to it. And a Testament must of necessity include the death of the Testator to come into effect; to which the Old (Mosaic) Testament included the shedding of blood as dedication or consecration of that Promise ( Hebrews 9:16-22). Since God cannot die, it clearly looked ahead when He would do, in His Son, Who became the "Mediator of the New Testament" (the better Covenant: Hebrews 8:6). And the Old (Mosaic) Covenant simply being those Laws which God had given, to which both parties were to fully comply with (Deuteronomy chapter 28).

I realize that this is different to what you've stated, but as I've considered the Scriptures you've given, I can't see the need to differentiate the Old Covenant & the Old Testament in the way you suggest. Have you given it merely to create a difference between the two (sets) of Laws, or is there a specific Scripture you see to denote that the Old Testament applies to the other Laws?

Dr. Lyle Lee,

You didn't address me personally, but your positions ignore much scripture. Jesus didn't come to destroy the law (10 commandments) he came to die for our sins, provide us the means through Him to receive forgiveness for our sins, and teach us how to live and please God, and provide for us a way to achieve salvation if we listen and believe in HIS GOSPEL!

Matthew 5:17-19

17- Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth have NOT passed. Listen close to Jesus:

18- Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You may want to reconsider following God's commandments.

When asked; Jesus stated the two most important commandments: To love God, and to love our neighbor's. He also stated in the next verse: Matthew 22:40 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Jesus said that all the of law hang on those 2 greatest commandments. The commandments are still in affect - until the End of Time!

God did promise us a new covenant. Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:" He will put His Laws in our minds - not do away with them!

Jesus tells us: John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Jesus also tells us 45 to 50 years after his death - in Revelation 22:14 to keep the commandments if we want to enter into Heaven. This is VERY STRONG scripture to ignore.

Read and Believe!

Hi Chris; Whenever I refer unto the Old Testament I also call it the law of Moses, because he was the mediator between God and Israel, however; the old covenant simple means the Ten Commandments in stone as in Deuteronomy 5:2-3 & Hebrews 9:4 - Jer. 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-7 Genesis holds three covenants created before the Old Testament, Adam, Noah and Abraham all received a covenant, which was not the Old Testament. Then the angels created the Old Testament, Acts 7:53 & Galatians 3:19 During that dispensation, about 1,600 years or so, God gave the old covenant (Ten Commandments in stone) and the Davidical covenant, howbeit, neither of these were the Old Testament. It is generally speculated that the Old Testament has 613 laws, actually all of which should be in the book of Leviticus, meaning the O.T. specifically is only Leviticus, all other books before the New Testament are not the Old Testament, they are written during that dispensation, although some of them, like Exodus, numbers and Deuteronomy have some of the O.T. written within it. Therefore; you cannot put the four gospels in the Old Testament, as they do not contain any Old Testament laws, neither do they contain obedience to the old covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in stone. The old covenant was magnified by the Lord Jesus Christ Isaiah 42:21 making it spiritual, harder to obey, and was written in the heart of all Christians Jer. 31:31-34 - Hebrews 8:6-13 & James 1:21 This n.c. sets us free from the o.c. as in Romans 8 for the law of life in Christ Jesus, has made me free from the law of sin and death. It should be noted that the Old Testament was destroyed by the death of Christ on Calvary as in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing if we obey one commandment from that law we are cursed according to Gal. 3:10 and Deut. 27:26 Yet the old covenant was magnified, not destroyed, but fulfilled as in Matthew 5:17-18 although it had an expiry date, as in Luke 16:16 I hope this is clear.

Hi Rod;

I read what you wrote and questions have arisen from your thoughts, you stated the Old Testament was not destroyed based upon Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15, I think you should re=read those scriptures again and pray over them for meaning, also, if the Old Testament is not destroyed can you obey even one Old Testament law today? Knowing if you do, you are cursed as a Christians to obey all 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 Then you said I should read Hebrews 9:11-14 stating the ordinances are no longer of value because of the blood of Christ, I do not think these verses are teaching what you are implying at all, as this is about the blood of Christ cleaning our conscience, not about him removing the Old Testament by his blood. You then went on to talk about the Ten Commandments in stone from Matthew 5:18 and then you quoted it again from Galatians 5:14, I will ask this question, do you know the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament? By your thoughts it appears you think they are the same thing, otherwise why mention the Law of God, when I was talking about the Old Testament being destroyed? The Ten Commandments in stone is the old covenant, it is not a testament, please do not confuse them, they must be kept separate, as the old covenant was replaced with the new covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in the heart. Hebrews 8:6-7 But the Old Testament was not replaced it was destroyed.

Amen Philip.

spot on!! And welcome back.

God bless.

Regarding Hebrews 8:5 = GOD commanded Moses to construct the Old Testament Tabernacle as the instrument of HIS presenting HIMSELF to Israel ( Exo. 25:22; cp. 30:6 & 36):

"There I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the Mercy Seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the Ark of the Testimony, of all things which I will give thee in Commandment unto the children of Israel."

This verse ( Heb. 8:5) records three terms which demonstrate the purpose and value of the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood and of the Tabernacle that GOD commanded Moses to replicate on earth. These terms provide a comprehensive perspective "figure" ( Heb. 9:9) of that which is "of Heavenly Things".

1st, they served as "the example of Heavenly Things", meaning an exact copy or reproduction of the original and "True Tabernacle, which The LORD pitched, and not man" (v.2). Compare the terms "figure", "pattern", and "fashion" in the following references: Exodus 26:30; 27:8; Numbers 8:4; Acts 7:44; and Hebrews 9:9;

By design, the example demonstrates the purpose and value of the original. This example is not a counterfeit, but rather a replication of the actual Heavenly Tabernacle which speaks of the saints dwelling in the very Presence of CHRIST ( Rev. 13:6; 15:5; 21:3).

2nd, they served as a "shadow of Heavenly Things", meaning it only typified, symbolized, represented, and pointed to the Heavenly Tabernacle. A literal shadow is intangible which reveals simply the outline or profile of the actual object. The earthly Tabernacle simply revealed "a figure for the time then present."

3rd, they served as GOD's earthly "pattern" which was enforced only temporarily until CHRIST established HIS "more Excellent Ministry" (v.6) as exclaimed in Hebrews 10:9-12.

To add, let's not forget the worst punishment they faced : Hebrews 3:8-19, Deuteronomy 1:26-46, Numbers 14:22-24,

Numbers 14:31-33*, read all of Numbers 14, Numbers 20:12, Acts 7:40-43, Hebrews 8:9,

Hopefully this is helpful & adds well to your discussion.

Hi Rick; Thanks for helping me in your right understanding, this is true, we are not practicing the old covenant today (Ten Commandments in stone) but rather the new covenant as in Hebrews 8:6-13. I am glad therefore you have not gone under that bondage. Stay blessed

Hi Rick; by your response you have led me to believe you think as Christians we should practice the Ten Commandments in stone, this of course would be bondage, as Christians are now commanded to obey the Ten Commandments in the heart according to Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 This old law of God had an expiry date according to the Lord Jesus who taught it would expire as soon as he fulfilled it. Matthew 5:18 The question should be asked, when did he fulfill it? The answer is then given in Luke 16:16 by the time of John the Baptist, as it would expire at that time. Today the Ten Commandments in stone is dead. Romans 7:4 and 7:6-7 We are now commanded to keep the new covenant which is the Ten Commandments written in the heart where there is no Sabbath or generational curses.

Hi Richard.

HE'S GOING TO WRITE HIS LAWS ON THEIR HEARTS.

Jeremiah 31:31. As it reads God is going to make a new covenant with the house of Israel.

Jeremiah 31:32 The Lord says this new covenant won't be like the old covenant that he gave their fathers, ( On Mount Sinai by Moses. )

Note: "A Mount that could not be touched"

Jeremiah 31:33-34. Tell us what the New covenant shall be. And how it will function!!

"I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;

" Not on tables of Stone "

You see an example of this in

2 Corinthians 3:3.

This new covenant is NOT where they were bond to a law in which they could not keep because of the weakness of the flesh.

See Romans 8:3-4.

That Covenant and tabernacle was a shadow of the (TRUE) tabernacle.

( Hebrews 8:2. A minister of the sanctuary, and of the TRUE tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.)

See Hebrews 8:1-13.

See Hebrews 9:1-28.

See Hebrews 10:8-17.

THE ENERGY BEHIND THE DESIRE TO KEEPING THE LAW BEHIND THIS COVENANT WASN'T COMMANDMENT,

This covenant is set in motion and Moved by the Holyspirit. This is an inward action not an outward one.

This New Covenant is what the Old covenant/Law pointed to.

Note with both Covenants in view.

Galatians 4:23-28. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

God bless.

Brother Rick,

I say this with love, and also for others that are seeking the truth. Jesus absolutely did not do away with the 10 Commandments/Law, including the Holy Sabbath Day, Saturday.

Jesus states:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Jesus knows who loves him, because they will keep his commandments. Many people don't even try to keep God's commandments because it doesn't facilitate their worldly lifestyle. We have to ask ourselves this important question: Do we let our lifestyles guide us, or God's words?

Jesus said: Matthew 16:25

"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Do you believe this scripture?

Matthew 24:35

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

So are you saying that Jesus words in John 14:15, and Matthew 24:35,have passed away?

Hebrews 13:8

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

Are you saying that Jesus Christ changed? His words no longer matter?

Jesus death on the cross and the new covenant does not erase the Ten Commandments/Law. Please read what God tells us about the new covenant and the law:

Hebrews 8:10

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

God is telling us he will put his laws into our minds, and our hearts! Do you believe this? This scripture is very important: Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Do you believe this scripture?

The scripture is very clear, and easy to understand. We can't change the scripture, but many try to ignore or twist it into a puzzle that doesn't even make sense.

Read it and believe it!

God Bless

The reference to Hebrews 7, should have been written as Hebrews 8:7-13. Sorry.

Mr. Daubenspeck, I will try my best to answer your question.

I Samuel

I Samuel 2:28

It appears that people rejected GOD, HIS people

I Samuel 2:17

I Samuel 3:14

I Samuel 7:3

I Samuel 8:6-7

Could this have been the prophetic end of the sacrifice to GOD?

I Samuel 8:7-20

Malachi 3:8 -10

Romans 12:1 , Luke 11:42 , Matthew 23:23 ,

Isaiah 58

Hebrews 8:3

Hebrews 9:12

Hebrew 10:6

Hebrews 13:15

Hopefully that helps in your study.

Hi Harry , "experimental outpatient " surely that's a warren song ? If it isn't it should be ! Hubby is a total softy , he honestly believes that warrens songs kept him together when I had cancer , he genuinely loves him . I honestly believe that if you are a Christian you should treat all your sufferings as lessons ,Heb ch5 V8 . Suffering is extremely important to us , it smooths off our sharp edges . Suffering is valuable experience for us , or it should be . I learned for sure that I am not my body . On the morning of my 4th chemo I woke up and my body said to me , loud and clear : please don't do that to me again today , I don't like it , I had to psychologically force myself to go and have it and the other two sessions that I had . I now know that I am not my body . It can be very hard to be happy in this world , so many people needlessly suffering , it's hard to accept that as individuals there's not much we can do other than be as kind as possible to everyone who crosses our path . A favourite American writer of mine , Kurt Vonnegut says that the two most dangerous things for us are lonelyness and boredom because these two paths can lead us into terrible trouble if we are not carefull . I've never felt lonely and as an only child I have always known how to amuse myself . Books , especially the best book ever ! I've always loved reading , music is such an instant fix of joy and films . I feel very sorry for anyone who doesn't know how to be happy on their own . Thankfully hubby loves the same stuff as me . He's an only child also . I wonder if that's significant . May God bless you and may He keep you very close to Him always .

English Sacha,

I read your 1st message with the same understanding of your 2nd message. I instinctively know what you said, so no worries. Bless your heart for double-backing around to safeguard my fragile feelings, lol. Bob Dylan has a tune called "License to kill", and has some typical Zimmy lines about man's fall. It's about a woman (Christian) sitting on the hill (Mt Olives) waiting for Jesus to come and take away man's license to kill. "Maybe a noise maker, spirit maker, heart breaker, back breaker, leave no stone unturned, maybe an actor in a plot that might be all that you got, till you error you clearly learn". The Stones make a horse-meat pie sound scrumptious in a song that rhymes with "itch". Too bad it wasn't a corned beef pie, my dad would be 1st one at the table.

I don't consider my brief challenge of ailments a bad thing considering I could have it much worse. I pledged yearly donations to the hospital annex facility years before I checked in as an experimental outpatient, and I requested they treat me the same as a non-paying client, from a disadvantaged background. The Lord has blessed me beyond my dreams, so I can share the joy with other like minded souls, into the vapor. Cheers to your husband for the well wishes upon a stranger; he's a rock standing out in an ocean of doubt, without compromise.

Hi Harold , this is my second reply to you . I was worried I might be misunderstood , what I meant by : we cause these illnesses ourselves was that we , humans , have damaged our environment and filled the earth with all kinds of things that poison us and cause us to be ill . I panicked when I read my first message to you , I was worried you might get the wrong end of the stick as we say in England .

Hi Harold , it sounds as if you have had a tough time and I'm very glad to hear you are on the up , I hope you can be happy and healthy again , hubby sends you a manly hug , I've never had a problem taking any treatments . God knows and has always known everything . He already created cures for our ailments before the ailments existed , He also knew how we would poison ourselves and cause these illnesses Gen ch1 v31 and Rom ch14 v14 . I hope none of your white coats is a nurse Ratchet ! I know for an absolute certainty that the harder we lean on Jesus the tighter he keeps hold of us . John ch16 v33 , and it's not horse meat pie , that's a French delicacy ,it's Stargazy Pie , look it up , it's disgusting !

English Sacha,

You just cheered me up, I like how you have that effect on me. I have/had clinical depression, however, you and magic mushrooms lift me up to where I can see the light of day. I'm in a micro-dosing study at the local university, and never felt better. My brain scans show normal activity where it used to be sparse, meaning my brain has been, forgive me, "raptured". The white coats call me an excitable boy, (I'm almost 60). God put cures out there for the taking, alternative medicines are a life saver.

I missed you and hoped you were safe and sound, nibbling on a horse meat pie, enjoying every sandwich. Tenderness on the block is hard to find when you're searching for a heart. I say this because my dad, in Wallasey, England, as a teen during WWII spent years eating only corned beef. I once bought him a 12 lb corned beef for his birthday and he promptly launched it off the balcony, into the pool.

We can talk about the Lord's business next time around. I just wanted to catch up for now. My rides here, gotta hasten down the wind. Bless you and your loved ones.

Hi Harold , so sorry for the late reply , I had a bad luck streak in dancing school and I was mistaken for s p a m , I do hope that you and all yours are ok . We do not belong to this world so try not to let it wind you up , we have a lot to look forward to so stay strong and cheerfull , keep your eye on the prize ! Much love in Christ .

Lex The question is not Gods ability to forgive the question is the persons being honest in their Heart about what they are doing or want. Getting born again and changing is not lip service! God knows everything omnipresent therefore the only one who's being played with is the individual not being honest in His spiritual life or walk with God. Also God does not produce fear or terror 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and a sound mind. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Conscience is habit pattern so if you continue in same corrupt habit pattern there has been no change of Heart towards respecting or obeying Gods word. So for that individual the sacrifice made by Jesus christ for sins means nothing, not a good place to be in mentally. So make up your mind 1 John 1:9 In His Service

If one errs from the truth and wants to return to Christ but fears they have fallen away (in reference to Hebrews 6) do you think that the fact that they find it hard to experience godly sorrow means that they are unable to be brought back to repentance? I have read it explained a few ways: those who have completely fallen away don't want to repent, or they don't believe so they do not, but my concern is what if someone who has fallen away does want to repent but God in His power basically says no? God doesn't contradict Himself but that notion has kept me awake before.

English Sacha,

I like your attitude towards the authentic. Splendid Isolation draws me in at a time when America's decline and subsequent dismantling is inevitable. How can this possibly be a Mystery when it has been written?

Adam,

I'm sorry, I really only responded to a small part of what you wrote:

I also have a good friend who is a believer but lives by the ways of the world. And I also take the bible - every word of the Word - literally and seriously. I'm with you in worrying, I know it's hard to see the people you care about wandering off the narrow path. But if they're practicing sin, they are backslidden. If they think they know better than God what's right and wrong for them, or what's good and what's bad for them, they are committing original sin. That's the pride of life, and the very cause of the fallen state in which we all find ourselves. God can help them, He will leave the 99 to retrieve the 1, that's a promise! And He is faithful to keep His promises.

Hi English Sacha,

There are definitely some people who come to church to be seen, and that's always been the case. People tend to expose their bodies for attention (which they think of as love), or for money; sometimes both (like with actors and actresses on TV). The world has trained everyone to think we need carnal attention or else we're not valuable. All we need is to be pleasing in the sight of God, but we forget that and try to be crowd pleasers. I also wear a little bit of mascara and I color in my eyebrows lightly, because I'm pale and I rubbed off a lot of the hair on my brows trying to fix them when I was younger - doesn't want to grow back, now. But I talk to God about it in my mind pretty frequently, I apologize for thinking I could do a better job than He did on putting me together. :- And I thank Him for being my eyes and guiding my hands while I attempt a slight enhancement - on my own, I can get ham fisted and heavy handed about it. Not to mention asymmetrical. At any rate, I hope He forgives me my little vanities and I do my best to keep my thoughts humble and grateful. He blesses me with so much and keeps me from the struggles I would otherwise create for myself.

Images are an obsession for people in the world, everyone wants to be seen as their best possible image, we just can't see very clearly and don't understand how others are perceiving us. If someone looks like they're lost in worldly ways, they probably are, and we should pray for them to delight in pleasing God instead of striving for the carnal attention of a world that only wants to eat them alive. It's hard, though - I'm not a big fan of mostly naked women parading around town, either - I just keep reminding myself that I don't have any control over it, but God has all the power, and He hears my prayers.

Hi Adam,

Of course we are tempted. We don't want to fall prey to temptation. I am very familiar with Paul, who said that he does what he doesn't want to do, and doesn't do what he does want to do.

We are tempted to sin, but we don't want to sin. I should have been more clear about that, I apologize. :)

Jen

Hallo dear friend in Jesus. Ty for your information and im so glad. Becouse u tell about the peace, the thru, the light and what christian supposed to do, who is not likely easy to live after. Understand me right, we have the Holy Spirit who tell us the law! Who tell us right things too do. Thats all about the life Christianity stand for. And forever we will do the right things. What we really do is a different thing. . . If so we need to confess.

What we bring in too the churches for example?

And here we need too look at each other with fully Love. Becouse all have grown differently with God. Some is a new born all the life. Some is seriously reading and studying the scripture from early morning too late night. Someone take the service of pray, and some lay they're hands on other ppl too heal them and soo much more. Some is singing for the Lord, and some are reading. Nowone is not useful. He Ia the Head.

And all is happy about that way of living. It doesn't make one more worthy anyway. We need too see the Lord in each other. See the Spirit of God, see the Love. And carry over with each other, always! A scripture who follow me is when Jesus wach the feet in

John 13:14

If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

John 13:6

Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?

We need too see the mercy and live after it, as good as we can. That is one of the Spirits. Becouse in another script Jesus said.

Luke 9.54And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

God bless Love u all in Jesus name.

Hi Jen , I enjoyed your post very much . I cannot tell you how many times I have seen people , to be honest women , in a church , with half of their flesh on display , reeking of too much perfume and with a two inch thick mask of make up on their faces . It makes me very sad to think that they feel that this is what they should look like . I'm getting on a bit now and starting to look my age , I wear a tiny bit of mascara and maybe some powder to cover my shiney nose , I dye my hair so it's not grey . I do these things so that people don't think that I'm my husband's mum ! So many men also in expensive suits and jewelry and too much aftershave . I don't understand it . Of course God looks at our hearts and not our outward appearance and these people I am criticizing may be very faithfull Christians , I shouldn't judge , I know that . I'm much more comfortable around slightly scruffy people , I like to see some ones real face .

Hello, thanks for sharing your opinion. You used the word 'we' as though you have grouped yourselves with others, assuming others have the same opinion. I could use 'we' also.

I'd like to question one of your assumptions: "Children of God don't want to sin"

Is that true?

Do you believe is Paul a child of God? In my view, Paul became one of the strongest Christian evangelists in world history. He was absolutely dedicated to preaching the message of Jesus Christ, and wrote more books than anyone else in the Bible. He also wrote the following which he admitted to struggling with sin:

Rom 7:14-19

Do you have any evidence for where the belief that Christians don't want to sin or aren't tempted by sin comes from? Currently, without further Biblical support I tend to believe Paul and what he wrote. God bless.

I know dozens of Christians living in sin right now and they are enjoying it immensely. They are taught they don't have to try to avoid it- that human effort is 'bad', so they follow the world and its desires, assuming they're following Christ. I know some assume there's nothing to worry about since they assume they're 'saved', but I am worried for their souls based on what the Bible says. John 14:15-17, ROMANS 11:6, Hebrews 10:26, James 2:19, 1 Cor 9:24-27. Is it 'wrong' to take the Bible verses literally and be concerned for one's salvation? Is it 'wrong' to believe in the Bible?