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My comments addressed all the godless humanist "ISM's - among which, ZIONISM, 1896, and NOT the book of Genesis, which is also God's living Word prophesying the coming of Christ Jesus Messiah Lord God Savior Redeemer in GENESIS 3:15, KJV, where Christ is referred to as THE SEED OF WOMAN, and not as "descendant" or "offspring" that begs focus and concentration on carnal biological genealogical flesh lineage that contradicts God's Word in the Book of John that we are BORN OF GOD and that THE FLESH IS OF NO AVAIL ( JOHN 1: 1-18; JOHN 3:16; JOHN 6:63; JOHN 17:3; HEBREWS 8:13; HEBREWS 13:8; REVELATION 1:7; REVELATION 20, 21, 22, KJV 1611, HOLY BIBLE). ***

Hi Karen.

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Now I'm not sure if all Israel and the prophets and priests knew that all the sacrifices and works in the old tabernacle was pointing to Christ but i believe John the baptist knew, that's what his baptism was about and it was for the Jews, he prepared the way for Christ.

And maybe Abraham, he dwelt in tents looking for a city whose maker was God.

Hebrews 11:9-10. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

This would perhaps be the New Jerusalem,

I believe their veil we being taken away is what we see in Hebrews 11:8 when God says he will write his laws in their hearts, "not stoney tablets" for ALL shall know me, That's the work of the Holyspirit, "spirit of truth" Jesus told the disciples to wait on the Holyspirit before they go on with there mission.

So the promise was not to be completed under the old covenant because it could not be complete without the new heart.

Hebrews 11:39-40. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 8:10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

I hope someone can help us both as I am green in this study.

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Thank you for your reply, Ron - much appreciated. If I could just address a couple of your points:

a. "If Jesus did not have the sinful flesh that came from the first Adam and Jesus was incapable of sin what did He fulfill?" You clearly referred to Matthew 5:17. Using the Greek words for 'abolish & fulfil', their meanings are: abolish = to destroy, abrogate, or to deny Divine Authority. And 'fulfil' = to complete, fill up what was predicted, accomplish what was intended by it.

When we read it as given, then we see that the Lord, in His 'sinless' condition, could indeed fulfil the Law, because His coming was not to prove His ability to be obedient to the Law but was for the purpose to bring the Law to its planned & proper completion. And this He did as the One Who not only was the Word of God (as the Word/Law/Prophecies) given to Israel, but also Who came now in human form (that Word made Flesh) to bring the Law to finality by His death, resurrection & bringing in of a better Covenant ( Hebrews 8:6,7).

b. Romans 8:3. "in the likeness of sinful flesh". Many look at this phrase as supporting the belief that Jesus had sinful flesh as we have. If that were so, then he would have the sin nature in Him as 'sinful flesh' speaks of that, in one respect. In the other respect, it could also mean that Jesus came in human flesh, resembling (likeness of) sinful flesh that he partook of flesh, or the nature of man, but without any of its sinful propensities or desires. Why would that be? Because the sin nature, which is common to man, was not found in Him. Satan's great desire was to replicate what he did to the first Adam - but the last Adam withstood him disallowing sin to enter thereby imputing the sin nature.

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

"you won't see God with his son standing next to him".

Luke 22:69; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; Acts 7:56; Romans 8:34; 1 Peter 3:22; etc.

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:11-13

Hebrews 12:2

Luke 16:19

Mark 14:62

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:21

1 Peter 3:22

Acts 7:55

Colossians 3:1

These verses should be sufficient to show that the risen Jesus Christ is now at the Father's right Hand.

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And what was God's righteousness? This was faith in God's Provision of His Son. Jesus became "the END OF THE LAW giving righteousness to everyone that believeth". So the letter of the Law has not changed, but what that Law could never accomplish, Jesus did for us through His Sacrifice.

Now, some Christians say, "I have saving faith in God through Jesus Christ but I am still bound to obey God's Commandments (i.e. the letter of the Law)". What Paul was teaching is that if we are going to be bound to the Law, then our salvation is dependent on our obedience to it (& that can never work). We can't claim to regard the Law in our lives along with having faith in Jesus Who removed that Law for those who come to Him in faith. The requirements of the Law & of Faith cannot be fused - it only causes confusion; just as oil & water won't mix because of their different polar & non-polar molecules that don't allow them to mix.

The Law ultimately led to knowledge of sin & death - Faith in Jesus leads to victory over sin & eternal life. If we try to fuse the two, then we state that Christ's Sacrifice was insufficient & obedience to a set of rules is also needed for our justification & to please God. His Sacrifice was complete in itself: it gave us full redemption, our full acceptability to God & God's Power to obey Him through His Spirit over & above what the Law could ever prescribe us to do.

Romans 8:2 tells us of the new Law from the Life-giving Spirit that frees us from the old. And this was foretold when a new Covenant would be made with Israel with God's Laws being written upon their hearts, Hebrews 8:7-11. Also Romans chapter 7, especially verses 4 to 6.

Again, I can't disagree with the Scriptures you quote, Matthew 5:17,18. They were valid at that time as they are valid today: the Law came from the Mouth of God, Jesus came to fulfil all of its demands & the prophecies about Him of which none other could, & the Law's purity & power remain unchanged even today.

What changed after Jesus' ministry on Earth & His death & resurrection, was that that Law that was supposed to bring us life actually showed us our sin & incapability of keeping it, thereby guaranteeing us separation from God for all eternity: Romans 7:10,11, "And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me".

So for those who bind themselves to the Law now after expressing faith in Jesus' Sacrifice for their sins & still desire to please God by fulfilling the requirements of the Law, will most certainly fail before God now, just as the Jews did (& Saul did) before. Romans 8:3,4, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh (i.e. man could never fully obey the Law), God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".

And what is it to "walk after the Spirit"? Romans 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death". The Law by the Life-giving Spirit of God which is now in every believer fully meets our legal position before God. Why? Because we are now "in Christ" & come under His Spirit's Laws & not under the Laws that condemned us. If now in this glorious position because of God's Gift of His Son, why should we turn back to that which kills us rather that we obey the Giver of Eternal Life? Hebrews 8:10: this was God's Plan from the beginning: the written Law would fade allowing for the new Law in the heart by Christ.

To clarify, are you suggesting that there is no God in Heaven except Jesus, Who is God? Or, maybe that Jesus is Our God, so the God in Heaven is no longer our God? It would be difficult to prove that only Jesus (as God) is presently in Heaven.

To do so, then a lot of other Scriptures would have to be negated, when Jesus says: John 16:16.17 "I go to the Father"; John 20:17 "I ascend to my Father...and to My God"; Hebrews 8:1, 10:12, Mark 16:19, Romans 8:34, 1 Peter 3:22 "at the right Hand of God" & many more.

I earnestly hope that I have misunderstood your comments as the abundance of Scripture is given for us to know that there is still a God in Heaven & His Word made flesh has now ascended victorious & glorious, seated at His Father's right Hand, receiving the worship as One inclusive in the eternal Godhead.

You said: "The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us." With the Scriptures before us, and they don't lie, the "mystery of the Trinity" in part, is that the Eternal God has in His Love, chosen to give of Himself as the only Sacrifice that would satisfy His demands of justice & redemption. An unblemished animal was a temporal covering for sin which could never remove the guilt & consequences of sin. God had to provide His Own Lamb, which He did ( Isaiah 53:7, John 1:29), which no animal or man could fulfil. God the Father did not leave Heaven to accomplish this task but He sent forth His Word clothed in flesh to do so ( John 1:1-14) & called this Word, His beloved Son. God also sent forth His Spirit to empower His Son for service & power to all who repent & call upon Him that they too may be one as They are One ( John 17:21-26).

God cannot be divided into three parts, else we might conclude, three gods. He has revealed Himself in His Fullness, in tri-unity, without which He could not be the God He reveals to us & what He accomplishes for us. Blessings.

When reading the Word & its use of this word, 'heaven', I see it applied in four ways:

a. the sky/atmosphere or troposphere & this goes to an altitude of approx. fifteen miles. Genesis 6:7, James 5:18 as examples.

b. the celestial (outer space) of planets, stars & constellations. Deuteronomy 4:19, Matthew 24:29.

c. the Place of God's Abode. Hebrews 8:1, Acts 7:56.

d. the new Heaven (& Earth) that is yet to come after all the corrupt Earth & Sky are dissolved. Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:1.

Dear Rick, Yes I believe that The US was purposed by God, for the spreading of the Gospel, where the believer is free to worship God by choice (not baptized into Christianity like some do). Choice takes being instructed in God's call to Salvation in his Son, Jesus. The unborn children and young children remain innocent and are in the hands of the Living God. As parents we are extremely accountable to this work of Life gifted to us. The Gospel message is to call any hearer to come to Jesus, believe and repent. By adding another cause to the Book of Revelation there may be error. The world is dark and getting darker, we can pray and be a light to those that remain in darkness that repentance and faith can be heard and believed and witnessed by Christians who have the Peace of God residing in their hearts. We are off message if we are driving the Gospel message by force of any kind. Perhaps the end of time is near if the Christian has to defend the Gospel by force. The True Christian is to be harmless as a dove yet wise as a serpent. What is the field, is it ripe? Was I not the most vile sinner as Jesus accepted my by faith repentance of all the evil I did against His Holy Will?

God Bless our meditations.

Carleton

Dear Rick,

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As Christians we are to fight the good fight. Stay in the race... we are to choose good over evil. Our country was founded with our Creator in mind. We are living in perilous times where they are calling good evil and evil good. The main stream media has chosen evil, while lifting up the Democrat party. The Democrat party chooses to kill babies even after delivery. With that said, it is our duty as Christians to fight this evil and get involved by voting against the evil party. Remember... we will ALL stand before a Holy God and answer for our choices that we made in this Life.

Hebrews 8:4-5

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,

as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle:

See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Hebrews 8:3

For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

Hebrews 8:2

A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Hebrews 8:1

Now of the things we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.

Revelation 5:10

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Jesus reigns on the right hand of the throne of God in the heavens; the born again believer reigns with the indwelling Holy Spirit as Kings and priests on the earth.

This is the pattern fulfilled until time is no more. Jesus on earth is reigning by his Holy Spirit in his Kings and Priests in the peace and order of Melchisedec.

Amen. Follow Christ not these men.

Your and mine relationship with Christ has nothing to do with the world. We are to judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment!You must grow in the spirit, the spirit is found in the word of God. Abide in Christ. Judge not and you will not be judged . Unless a corn of wheat (seed)fall into the ground and die it abides alone.But if it die it brings forth much fruit. Our flesh our human reasoning must die if we are to experience the fruit of the spirit. We cannot bring forth fruit while judging others around us, we will abide alone. When we let go of the world and our flesh, The spirit brings forth fruit and much of it. Always remember Jesus says .BE NOT AFRAID!

Look for the Lambs. They are here and there. Non- resistant, they love their neighbors as themselves, and are the quiet of the land. They do not participate in politics of any country.

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Why is it that what God, the God of Israel, has ministered to in the desert should wax old. As is the fact of today that the people lose faith and fall away, the same was true with Israel. Only Caleb and Joshua would reach the promised land! Not even Moses, who mistrusted the word of El Shaddai at Merabah. God said" Command the Water to flow from the rock! Moses used his staff, tapping it twice. Did Jesus doubt in the Garden prior to his execution? With tears and trembling he did because he was human. Yes human, with all it's correlating doubts and fears. I'm not a Jesus follower but his appearing and reappearing was a wonder. However, his doctrine wasn't written, but recorded from memory many years later. I'm basically bitter with Christianity for all its hycoprisy and politcal dalliences in these most ruinous times. Old weeping entrepreneurs are the messangers. Franklin Graham is so deep into Trump that some consider the lying psychopath of a president a prophet! Get it right, ye Christians. The truth is available only to those who thirst after it!

Bendito Palavra

Concerning the Law;

The everlasting Law God established with those that desire to be called His children still stands.

The 10 Commandments still stand.

Any time we sin we are under the Law.

Everyone sins: Everyday!

Blood ordinances were fulfilled by the death of Christ ( Matthew 26:28, Romans 2:29, Colossians 1:14)

Priestly duties connected to the sons of Aaron were fulfilled in Christ. ( Hebrews 8:1)

The Temple was destroyed; as promised: ( Matthew 24:2)

Deuteronomy 29:29

"The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children FOR EVER, that we may do all the words of this law."

1 Chronicles 16:17

"And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an EVERLASTING covenant,"

Ephesians 2:15

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"

Hebrews 7:12

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

Matthew 27:51

"And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

All has not been fulfilled.

All will not be fulfilled until the return of Christ.

Believe the words of Jesus.

Mathew 5:18

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Concerning works;

Why would Jesus care to evaluate the WORKS of the churches that are on earth at the end times when He comes back if they don't matter? ( Revelation 2:2, 9, 13, 19. 3:1, 3:8, 3:15)

Also look at:

James 2:14-26 - "Faith without works is dead"

Revelation 14:13

Revelation 20:12

Dear DH,

Since you feel guilt and remorse of your past sin that's a good thing. That means you genuinely regret it, but if you confessed this and repented to God already then God has already forgiven you. Hebrews 8:12. The only step remaining is you forgiving yourself and giving that burden to God. If you refuse to forgive yourself, then you might ask: what Jesus dying for you not enough? Galatians 2:21 It is for everyone else, so why not for you? He loves you that much to die for you and forgive your sin even when you mess up, even when you know better, can you accept that? Do you accept his gift?

>I feel it's unforgivable

Let's challenge this statement. This is an assumption, because you don't truly know that. It's also inconsistent with the Bible. The Bible says all sins are covered except for only one, blasphemy of the holy spirit, and that's not what you did. If your statement was true it would also be true for others too, but its not. There are countless others who have also gone through this and feel 100% forgiven. If its true for them how could a different standard apply for you?

The Bible already made its promises so if you don't believe the Bible that is another matter. You're forgiven, wiped away, and if you follow Christ you this sin is forgotten: Hebrews 8:12. It takes faith to believe the Words of God and to apply them. It clearly says you're forgiven. Believe and celebrate that and go and 'sin no more'. John 8:11

God bless you!

Speaking on the will of God...having faith, studying His word, meditating on His word. You will know His will because Hebrews 8:10 says......I will put my laws into their mind, and write them on their heart: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people He has given us the tools necessary to live accordingly. Be Blessed

Kim Burrow

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Concerning the abolishment of the Law of God:

The book of Hebrews shows us that the 7th day, the Temple, the Tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant, etc., are a copy or replication of what God has already established in Heaven.

Hebrews 8:5 "They serve in a place that is a COPY and SHADOW of the heavenly meeting tent. This is indicated when Moses was warned by God when he was about to set up the meeting tent: See that you FOLLOW THE PATTERN that I showed you on the mountain in every detail;" from Exodus 25:40.

The heavenly pattern is what we follow, and God has not left us any information concerning that being changed in any way.

The fulfillment, partial or total that Christ has done in the Law does not make that Law abolished. For instance, the Temple is gone. We have become His Temple. The veil was rent from top to bottom ( Matthew 27:51) to show that we no longer need a priest to reconcile our sins for us. We all have forgiveness based upon repentance.

Fulfillment, in full, or in part, of the Law does not abolish it. What do you do with all other Scripture that does not agree with your assessment?

When Christ rose and spoke in the Synagogue on the Sabbath, He specifically left out the words in Luke 4:18-19 concerning the "Day of vengeance of our God" ( Isaiah 61:1-2) because that day has not come upon us all yet.

Christ came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. Has the Law been completely fulfilled? No. We are still under the Law, which

Paul states "is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" ( Galatians 5:14)

The "curse" of the Law is a persons' inability to keep it. That "curse" is what Christ has taken on for us. Not the Law. The Law is just and perfect. It is humans that cannot remain righteous; not even a single day of our lives!

Jim

You are deceived!

Concerning the "divorced Israelites"..remember what they were BEFORE they were divorced. However, the covenants, OLD AND NEW is STILL with the Israelites, not with EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. Romans 9:3 "3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my BRETHREN, my KINSMEN according to the FLESH:rnrn4 Who are ISRAELITES; TO WHOM PERTAINETH the ADOPTION, and the GLORY, and the COVENANTS, and the giving of the LAW, and the SERVICE of God, and the PROMISES;rnrn5 Whose are the fathers, and OF WHOM as concerning the flesh CHRIST CAME, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."rnHebrews 8:8" also explains WHO both OLD and NEW covenant is for. See WHO Israel is today( Deuteronomy 28)

Well said Samantha. Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The old regulates people through curses and blessings. Reward n punishment Jesus lived in the old and hushered the new when He rose. Now the new is 'tougher' then the old because it encompasses your intent. Hate is as bad as murder, lusting is now adultery and break one commandment you break them all. The new is about agape, real altruistic love. Love your enemies, bless those who persecute you. You must love everyone without biased. Our Father will help achieve this heavenly order.

Irene, WE are not supposed to pray to anyone or to anything except ""GOD through "JESUS CHRIST" our intercesor . The only way to salvation is through the blood of JESUS. John 16:24-26, Hebrews 8:25.

The earthly tabernacle built during the exodus was patterned after the tabernacle of God in Heaven. Ex 25:8,9 40 . The tabernacle built "without hands" after which the earthly tabernacle was modeled resides in Heaven. The tabernacle system portrays the plan of salvation. The earthly version was the type: The heavenly version fulfills the types. This is the message of Hebrews 7-10.

The laws statues, commandments, were only given to the Israelites, Romans 9:1-5, Salvation is only for the Israelites Luke 1:68-75, you must walk in faith and works James 2:22. The new Kingdom is for Israel, Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8. To get eternal life you must do the commandments of God Matthew 19:16, 1 John 5:3, John 14:15, Ecclesiastes 12:13. God hates the sinners Ecclesiasticus 12:6.

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." We have the ultimate high priest...but of the church, the true tabernacle, built as Jesus said he would. That tabernacle is the temple on earth.