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Hopefully these are helpful.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58

Luke 16:22-26

Hebrews 9:27

Revelation 2:11

Revelation 20:4-6

Revelation 20:12-15

Revelation 3:3-5

Revelation 21:10-27

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17

Hi Brother Ronald.

Part 1.

As I promised once I settle back at home I would reach out and continue our dialog on the 1st Adam and 2nd Adam.

RECAP.

As I said I don't believe God dwelled "IN" Adam. Below is some of the previous references below.

The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple.

( 1 Corinthians 3:16. )

( Hebrews 10:14-22. )

Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of ( 1 John 3:9. )

Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- ( 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. )

Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a

( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give us eternal life.

Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was made a living soul. So is our 1st birth.

Here is a quote from part 1 of your reply:

"When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.

If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12)." End quote.

In part 2 I will address the view I hold on Adam and Eve being naked.

See Part 2.

Thank you.

Wesley's Notes for Hebrews 9:27

9:27 After this, the judgment - Of the great day. At the moment of death every man's final state is determined. But there is not a word in scripture of a particular judgment immediately after death.

People's Bible Notes for Hebrews 9:27

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. The fixed order for all men is to die once only, and to be judged after death. When they die, finality is stamped, on their life work.

Hebrews 9

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Note: These Commentaries are on this website any time you need to see what others thought upon these scriptures

Part one,

S Spencer, brother thank you for your caring and your support to the brothers and sisters on this site. I understand this subject is off-limits to many and I thank you for your answer. I understand as Christian's we have different understandings of scriptures. I understand discernment, it is like Paul said in ( 1 Corinthians 3:2) the Holy Spirit does the same.

I went to church in my younger years and I had Christian parents, but I was not truly saved until my forties going on thirty years ago, it took over two years through demonic battles and things I did not believe were even real. I have full faith in my salvation in Jesus Christ and the baptizing of the Holy Spirit, if not I would not be here today.

I understand wanting to sit this one out some people's emotions override the love in Christ and many hold this undebatable, if we lived long ago, we would be in fear of death and even today your treated as unwanted, and cast out of many congregations, and I do cherish you considering me a brother.

On to the two Adams, now this is what I feel has been revealed through the Holy Spirit and my understanding of Scripture and I understand if we do not agree, but I will as best I can, tell you. When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.

If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12).

Continued

Ed on Hebrews 9

How do you get to heaven?

You are replying to a comment by "Ed"

Heaven:

Matthew 22:14

Revelation 14:3 144,000 (only taken from the earth Matthew 20:23)

1 Corinthians 15:42-44

Revelation 20 (Only one can be president and only a few

can be co-rulers. when Jehovah/ Psalm 83:18 choses a person...no one can steal that

away (not family, friends or acquaintances etc.). only that person can decide if they want to receive the invitation of reject it. Mark 10:17-31)

Earth: Isa. 45:18

2 Peter 3:13

Psalm 37:9-11,29,34

John 5:28,29

Revelation 21:3-5

Luke 23:42, 43 (Earth will be a paradise again

just like the days of genesis 1,2)

Matthew 11:26-30 (Jesus will comfort those remaining on earth)

Hope this helps

You do as Jesus told Nicodemas in John 3; be born again and receive Jesus as your Savior and Lord.

There is a link on this website named

"Become a Christian". It's right where you clicked to enter this room.

It tells you step by step and even has a prayer you can pray. You receive salvation by the words of your mouth. Jesus will send The Holy Spirit to you. He teaches you everything you need to know about Jesus.

Everybody in this room will become your brothers and sisters in Christ. We'll try to answer all your questions with the love of Christ.

It's such a grand thing to buy your first Bible and write your name in it. Revelation 22:7 Your name is written down in the Book of Life.

From my experience it's easier if you'll find a church that teaches Bible and not philosophy. You can ask the Holy Spirit anything.

Start reading in Matthew and head towards the back of the Bible. I love Romans 7 because Paul asked himself all the questions I was mulling over too :D

Welcome to Gods family!

How do you get to heaven

Mr. Daubenspeck, I will try my best to answer your question.

I Samuel

I Samuel 2:28

It appears that people rejected GOD, HIS people

I Samuel 2:17

I Samuel 3:14

I Samuel 7:3

I Samuel 8:6-7

Could this have been the prophetic end of the sacrifice to GOD?

I Samuel 8:7-20

Malachi 3:8 -10

Romans 12:1 , Luke 11:42 , Matthew 23:23 ,

Isaiah 58

Hebrews 8:3

Hebrews 9:12

Hebrew 10:6

Hebrews 13:15

Hopefully that helps in your study.

Hi Thos. As others have stated, the teaching on Purgatory is largely a Roman Catholic one & is generally based on the Apocryphal Book, 2 Maccabees 12:38-45. The story there is about some Jews who were slain in battle but had unholy things in their possession & this was seen by the other Jews, making them unclean. To deal with this, the people had to remove this sight from their thoughts & that a large amount of silver was to be sent to Jerusalem as a sin offering for those sinners who died. This was done to guarantee them the right to the resurrection. And verse 44 also speaks about prayers being offered for the dead, that there would still be reconciliation for them & deliverance from sin.

This portion of 2 Maccabees is what the RCs use to support Purgatory, a intermediate place where outstanding sins can be atoned for coupled with the prayers from the living & gifts to the Church. However, the Bible totally refutes & rejects such an abomination, as we are all given only one life on Earth & one Saviour to call upon for the forgiveness of our sins. If we fail to do this, then there is no intermediate place of purification - only Hell where all unforgiven sinners are consigned. Hebrews 9:27: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (no second chances - no purgatory). How important it is for each one to take hold of the Truth & run to the Cross of Jesus for salvation & not trusting in man's wisdom & works to get there.

Hebrews 9:27 seems to be the closest to what you're seeking.

Precious brother Chris. So glad you brought up: "'Law Administration' is difficult to comprehend when water baptism was not part of the Law to Israel (except concerning the priesthood as a ritual cleansing)." In regards to this, you may find the following "view of Israel's priesthood" Very Interesting - thanks for your careful/prayerful consideration:

{Borrowed from my 12 baptisms "study"}: ONE of Israel's various washings! Greek: Baptismos = ( Hebrews 9:10):

4. Levitical priesthood baptism ( Exodus 29:4) ( Leviticus 8:6) ( Numbers 8:7). This washing was The Second Requirement { The First being: "NO blemish!" ( Leviticus 21:21) }, in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses! Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?:

9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach! ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25).

a) Does this baptism "save" anyone ( Luke 7:29-30?)?

b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For them "to be a nation of priests unto God" ( Exodus 19:6!)?

b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction, Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve "heal" everyone in Israel who came to them, in order to meet "The FIRST Requirement" For the priesthood, that Of "NO blemish!"? ( Matthew 4:24) ( Acts 5:16) compare: ( Leviticus 21:21)

More questions - to be continued

Hi Jaden.

I would like to attempt to refresh your question because it is All important.

To get a understanding of salvation we must recognize that we have come up short even when giving our best efforts.

We are sinners no matter who we attempt to compare ourselves with. And the wages of sin is death.

Romans 5:12. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:23. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 9:22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

OUR REDEMPTION.

Salvation is not getting away with sin "because we say we believe" Salvation is Christ to on the penalty of our sins and died for us, And those who truly has been regenerated was baptized into that death. and when Christ rose again they was baptized into his resurrection with newness of Everlasting life.

1 Corinthians 15:21-22. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as IN Adam all die, EVEN SO IN CHRIST SHALL ALL BE MADE ALIVE.

Now to attempt to answer your question.

We believe we are without hope apart from Christ, Christ took the penalty of our sins upon him and paid for them with his life. Then rose again the third day. We were IDENTIFIED/BAPTIZED into that death and resurrection by the Holyspirit. Romans 1:3-4.

Now fruit in our lives confirms our belief.

and we. If there is no fruit produced in our lives then our faith was in vain.

Because it's Christ spirit in you that performs.

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Hopefully we can expand on this.

God bless.

Sister Dianne, words to THINK UPON:

Your reply to S Spencer, Onward till the RETURN of our Master.

I BELIEVE if you are BORN AGAIN, the Master has already come (to you) the SECOND TIME.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ (came the FIRST time in the flesh and) was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that LOOK (with spiritual eyes) for him shall he appear (as the Holy Spirit) the SECOND time (coming) without sin unto SALVATION.

You never see the thief, if you could see him he would not have spoiled your house.

Everyone one is LOOKING to see him with eyes of flesh.

That happens at his return to judge the world. Those seeing him; with eyes of flesh, will have missed the SECOND coming (being BORN OF THE SPIRIT).

The Born Again will be WITH HIM when he comes to judge the world.

Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

Hello Giannis. I understand that the NT authors & Septuagint translators found that 'diatheke' was the best word that could be used when translating or referring from the Hebrew 'berith' (covenant). Diatheke was preferred over 'syntheke', since this word (syntheke) conveyed more of an agreement between equal partners, whereas 'diatheke' meant a covenant between a superior & a subordinate. And also to note, even as you mentioned, that a testament cannot be changed after the death of the testator, however, it can be changed while the testator is alive, for various reasons. Whereas a covenant cannot be changed at all while it is in force: when God makes a covenant with His people, He can punish them for breaking the covenant, but He never cancels the covenant promises He has made. However, Hebrews 8:6-13, speaks of Jesus being the "mediator of a better covenant" (as declared in Jeremiah 31:31-34), where the old was abrogated (i.e. it served its purpose & its time limit), ushering the new covenant through "the blood of the everlasting covenant" ( Hebrews 13:20).

So, the way I see it, even though the Greek rendering is correct as "testament", it would allow, in biblical terms, for its use as 'Covenant' when translated & referred from the Hebrew word & meaning, as any another Greek word (even symfono?) would be unsuitable. As the New Testament came into force with the death of the testator ( Hebrews 9:16,17), it was still based on the first Covenant that God made with His people which is now made new through His Son.

Hi Ann,

Perhaps this is what you are looking for.

Hebrews 9:27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: ?

God bless

Hebrews 8:5 = GOD commanded Moses to construct the Old Testament Tabernacle as the instrument of HIS presenting HIM-SELF to Israel ( Exo. 25:22; cp. 30:6 & 36):

"There I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the Mercy Seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the Ark of the Testimony, of all things which I will give thee in Commandment unto the children of Israel."

This verse ( Heb. 8:5) records three terms which demonstrates the purpose and value of the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood and of the Tabernacle that GOD commanded Moses to replicate on earth to provide a comprehensive perspective "figure" ( Heb. 9:9) of that which is "of Heavenly Things".

1st, they served as "the example of Heavenly Things", meaning an exact copy or reproduction of the original and "True Tabernacle, which The LORD pitched, and not man" (v.2). Compare the terms "figure", "pat-tern", and "fashion" in the following references: Exodus 26:30; 27:8; Numbers 8:4; Acts 7:44; and Hebrews 9:9;

2nd, they served as a "shadow of Heavenly Things", meaning it only typified, symbolized, represented, and point-ed to the Heavenly Tabernacle. A literal shadow is intangible which reveals simply the outline or profile of the actual object. The earthly Tabernacle simply revealed a "a figure for the time then present."

By design, the example demonstrates the purpose and value of the original. This example is not a counterfeit, but rather a replication of the actual Heavenly Tabernacle which speaks of the saints dwelling in the very Presence of CHRIST ( Rev. 13:6; 15:5; 21:3).

3rd, they served as GOD's earthly "pattern" which was enforced only temporarily until CHRIST established HIS "more Excellent Ministry" (v.6) as exclaimed in Hebrews 10:9-12.

Gertrude,

Sorry to intrude on your conversation, but if you don't mind me asking, I have a few questions. Are you saying that those who believe in a rapture are fanatics and are cheating Hebrews 9:27? Secondly, if 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is written so poorly and in conflict with other scripture, how would you re-write that verse? If scripture is in conflict with other scripture, why should we even trust the bible at all? Are there other conflicting scriptures that you are aware of? I've had someone tell me before that the bible is full of contradictions. I don't agree with that. You say that both resurrections are conflated? How so? Also, are you saying that Jesus' bride consists of only 144K? If I'm not mistaken, the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that. Is that your belief also? Lastly, do you believe in a rapture at all?

Sorry if this is a lot of questions, and I want to thank you in advance for your time!

Mishael,

Thank you for your inspiring words, but I am not a fanatic to believe supernatural things not promised. It can never be so, that's cheating Hebrews 9:27. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is a shame it's written so poorly and in conflict with other scriptures. People also believe in a pre-sixth trump rapture, which is impossible. It's safe to say that both resurrections are conflated. so faith is on you.

I cherish the firstfruits, the 144k saints out of the great tribulation and symbolically featured in heaven. These are the ones Jesus has chosen as His bride. Why would Jesus sully the wedding to those not worthy? Even though there's a case for a lifting up, the #'s would require more accommodations, hence the new heaven and new earth, hence the rest can wait for the 2nd resurrection.

I have lots of questions about what happens between the seventh trumpet and thousand years.

Jamie, may CHRIST IN US GRACE us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Understanding the second coming is necessary to understand God's WORD.

Man teaches that the second coming is SOMEWHERE in the future.

Jesus came the FIRST TIME in the flesh; His 42 month ministry in the flesh on earth. (same 42 months in Revelation).

Jesus has ALREADY come the SECOND TIME in the form of the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit or Comforter.

This second coming has been happening since pentecost (like a thief in the night) and will culminate in His physical body appearance at the second resurrection. Everyone is LOOKING for something physical and literal when it's all being done in realm we can't see and touch. Our mind that is attuned to only the physical and literal, has to be destroyed and replaced by a mind that can understand the spiritual (the mind of Christ). Most everything is HIDDEN in the scriptures; most often the literal represents something else. We know some of these, tree of life, book of life, living water, lamb of God, river of life, etc. With the SPIRIT'S help we have to find the ones we don't know; to understand. For instance; heaven is a literal physical place; but to understand the scriptures, heaven represents MAN (where God dwells). There was war in heaven (in man). Satan was cast out of heaven (out of man). If you like mystery novels, God's Word is the best ever written.

This is what makes Revelation so difficult to understand. Look at everything as if it represents something else. But it CANNOT contradict other TRUTHS, they have to harmonise. The answer are found in other places in the scriptures.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was ONCE (in the flesh) offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that LOOK FOR HIM shall he appear the SECOND TIME (in Spirit) without sin unto salvation.

Brother Jesse, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are ASLEEP, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of SLEEP: for now is our salvation nearer than when we first believed.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and arose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us NOT SLEEP, as do others; but us watch an be sober.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST shall RISE FIRST (first resurrection)( Revelation 20:5):

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead that DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth .....

I BELIEVE this is the FIRST DEATH and the first resurrection also describe in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

I BELIEVE the ONLY one that hears this shout and trumpet is the one being CALLED to take part in the first resurrection. I come as a thief in the night. If everyone heard, it would no be as a thief.

Hebrews 9:27 It is appointed unto men to die..I BELIEVE this is the same death in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 14:13...but after this the judgement.

I BELIEVE this judgement is by God's WORD; both written and living, on those that have their part in the first resurrection. 1 Peter 4:17

I BELIEVE 1 Thessalonians 4 is about those that take part in the first resurrection and are present with Christ upon his return at the second resurrection.

What difference is there in the snatching up, whether it be one at a time or collectively.

1 Thessalonian 4 purports a seventh trumpet resurrection of both dead and surviving sealed saints, coming out of the great tribulation. Since this occurs 42 months AFTER the abomination of desolation, it nullifies such beliefs; it proves the notion and timing of a "rapture" is unsound. The saints were not taken up BEFORE the abomination of desolation, but only at the seventh trumpet, 42 months later. You would want to be "taken" before the great tribulation, not after.

Since 1 Thessalonian 4:17 occurs at the last trumpet, equivalent to Revelation 11:15, it is the first resurrection of the sealed saints only. The dead rise first before the living, therefore this is a small, treasured group of people, and not the whole group. Revelation 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand...These sealed saints overcame the beast and his mark, they are virgins who will rule with Christ for 1K years. Who among us can be described like that, and who will make it to the end alive?

IT IS NOT Ezekiel 37:1-14 either (2nd resurrection), because here BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah) are being resurrected and stand up as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. AND THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!!

This "lifting up" event is misinterpreted so badly, seeing that billions and billions of Christian sinners will require a new earth and new heaven to accommodate them all. Everyone involved should humble their place in line. Counting yourselves among the Revelation 14:4 saints is rather precarious, indeed. Does man immediately deserve to stand alongside the elect saints, and Jesus Christ?

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. The second resurrection is for the rest, other than the elect, of which the majority are not. When the fast bullets fly, we will get a new perspective on Hebrews 9:27.

The 70 th Week

Part 3

Jesus confirmed the last 3.5 years through His apostles ending when Stephen was killed, Paul was converted, Peter had his dream the conformation to Judah ended and the gospel was sent to the Gentiles. This fulfills the 70=weeks 490/483 years

We have been told to study, we are told to test the spirits, trust our teacher the Holy Spirit and pray. These are the six things that were determined on Judah and the holy city Jerusalem, a few verses that may help see if this has been fulfilled by Jesus.

1. To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Isaiah 53:11) ( Hebrews 9:15-18)

2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( John 1:29) ( 1 Corinthians 15:3)

( 1 John 3:5) ( Psalm 32) ( Romans 8:3)

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Isaiah 53:11) ( Ephesians 2:16) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19)

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( Romans 3:21-26) ( 1Peter 2:24)

( 2 Corinthians 5:21) ( Isaiah 61:10-11)

5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) ( Acts 3:18)

( John 5:36-40) ( Matthew 11:11-15)

6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 8:1-12) ( Hebrews 9:6-14)

The 70 th week has been used along with other Bible verses to paint a fantastic picture of end times. The pre, mid, or post rapture of the Church, an antichrist, 7-year tribulation, 3.5-year covenant with Israel, a third temple, abomination of desolation, 3.5 years great tribulation after breaking covenant, and more. Many of these teachings started in the late 1600s. I hope this helps, if this prophecy has been fulfilled, it will show the falsehoods of these teachings because without using part of the 70 weeks prophecy given to Daniel, these teachings will fall apart.

Acts.3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

RLW

Commentaries from this website concerning Revelation 11:19 and then what is written in the Bible. The Ark contents were of the First Testament/Covenant. Jesus completed it with His Own Blood.

Someone else place where The Ark is: between Jesus's death and resurrection; and what is seen in the verse above.

Wesley's Notes for Revelation 11:19

11:19 And the temple of God - The inmost part of it. Was opened in heaven - And hereby is opened a new scene of the most momentous things, that we may see how the contents of the seventh trumpet are executed; and, notwithstanding the greatest opposition, (particularly by the third woe,) brought to a glorious conclusion. And the ark of the covenant was seen in his temple - The ark of the covenant which was made by Moses was not in the second temple, being probably burnt with the first temple by the Chaldeans. But here is the heavenly ark of the everlasting covenant, the shadow of which was under the Old Testament, Hebrews 9:4. The inhabitants of heaven saw the ark before: St. John also saw it now; for a testimony, that what God had promised, should be fulfilled to the uttermost. And there were lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail - The very same there are, and in the same order, when the seventh angel has poured out his phial; # Rev 16:17- 21: one place answers the other. What the trumpet here denounces in heaven, is there executed by the phial upon earth. First it is shown what will be done; and afterwards it is done.

People's Bible Notes for Revelation 11:19

Re 11:19 I believe this verse, ought to belong to chapter 12, and will there consider it. If it is connected in meaning with Rev.11:18, it signifies that heaven is opened at the close of the seventh trumpet, and that from thence come judgments as well as blessings.

Adam.

Read the next verse down ( Luke 17:37):

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The disciples asked Jesus where these people are being "taken", and Jesus explains that they are dead. Therefore, siting that and other like scriptures, I reject the notion of divine intervention for end-time sinners as fantasy. Hebrews 9:27

I have an obligation to correct those who spread unsound Biblical methods. If we don't reprove one another, we have babel.

Hello, I appreciate what you wrote there and agree with all your points except the book of life. It's my opinion that we're not written in the book of life until we're first judged by God. I think God knows all and might even take notes in such a book.

I think many assume we're 'saved' instantly when we start following Christ. While the Bible says we can have assurance of salvation if we follow Him, but I'm not aware of any verse saying we're instantly saved and will skip judgment and are in a book of life, as if its a guest list for heaven.

I looked up the 4 verses you posted about 'book of life' and they don't say that all Christians have their names written in the book of life, it doesn't say who or when their names may be written in the book, and doesn't say this comes before judgment day. The Exodus reference suggests that Moses's name was written in a book by God. It doesn't call it the book of life. Moses was also a special person appointed by God. God also replied with this: And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. And the Bible says everyone has sinned.

1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Doesn't say you have salvation now, doesn't say you have it instantly and aren't judged, it says revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

This says grace isn't even given to us until the end at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 20:12 - indicates the book of life is used on the day of judgment to review what all have done. Either way all will be judged.

2 Corinthians 5:10

Romans 2:16

John 12:48

Hebrews 9:27

Revelation 20:12

If you have more evidence that says the moment you say respond to an altar call you're instantly in the book of life, or that the moment you decide to follow Jesus you are written in the book of life, please let me know where... Thank you.

Hi Cheryl,

The Bible says we will all first be judged. Not just non-Christians, not just "sinners."

Ecclesiastes 12:14

2 Corinthians 5:10

Matthew 12:36

We also know that some will be confident and assume they'll go to heaven, but won't get in.

Matthew 7:21

To me that means that no one is going to either of those places until after judgment day:

Revelation 20:11-15

Hebrews 9:27

1 Corinthians 4:5

And finally, if people don't go to heaven or hell when they die, where else do they go? Here's what the Bible says:

Job 14:12

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

1 Thessalonians 4:17

I believe just as 8 hours can pass in the snap of a finger will it seem like a snap of the finger for those "sleeping" will awake and rise to meet Jesus in the air then face judgment. This took time to put together and paste all these verses here for you, so I hope you likewise take a moment to hover over them and read them. I care.

Hi Raquel.

I would second what Mishael has given.

Hebrews 9:27 answers your question directly.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

GOD BLESS

Sister Martha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Israel in the Old Testament was dispersed among all the nation of the world. Judea was left so Jesus lineage could be confirmed to be the natural seed of David. Today none can trace their lineage back to Abraham. ISRAEL today (those born again of the Spirit of God) is the promised SEED of Isaac (his name was changed to Israel) (CHRIST IN US).

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one INWARDLY (Christ in you); and circumcision is of the HEART, in the Spirit, and not in the letter (flesh) .....

Romans 9:6 ...for they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

The kingdom promised to ISRAEL (CHRIST) is not a literal kingdom that can be seen with eyes; but a kingdom of priest (Christ in you). These battles prophesied in scripture are not literal but in the Spirit.

Jesus said before he comes there would be literal wars, literal earthquakes, literal famines and literal pestilence. This has been happening for 2000 years and Jesus has been COMING to those who look for him 2000 years. Jesus said that it would be like the days of Noah. They knew not till the doors on the ark were CLOSED. The ark could have saved them; Jesus is our ark. Man is looking for all things to be literal and all of a sudden DESTRUCTION (you die; the grave is your reward, the doors to the ark are closed). Most will miss Christ coming; because they are looking for something literal, when the BATTLE and BIRTH are SPIRIT. There will continue literal wars, literal earthquakes, literal famines and literal pestilence until the age we are in ENDS and the next age BEGINS.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was ONCE (Christ ministered in the flesh) offered to bear the sins of many; and unto those WHO LOOK FOR HIM he shall appear the SECOND TIME (IN THE SPIRIT) without sin UNTO SALVATION.

I come like a thief in the night; if you would have seen the thief, he would not have DESTROYED you house.

Brother Scott, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endue to the END (times), the same shall be saved.

You say the subject is end times and tribulation.

Did the people 1900 years ago have to consider this verse also. Did they died without Christ; not making it to the end times and tribulation. Whats going to happen to you if you die before the tribulation and the end times come. I don't think you understand End TIME and TRIBULATION.

Revelation 22:10 Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.

I COME QUICKLY

Revelation 3:11

Revelation 22:7

Revelation 22:12

Revelation 22:20

Revelation 2:16

Revelation 11:14

Revelation 2:5

It has been 2000 year since these words were written; is that QUICKLY, perhaps with more study and more REVELATION, TRUTH would be more clear.

Hebrews 9:28

Colossians 3:4

He APPEARS to us now in TRUTH of HIS WORD (written and living, Holy Spirit). At the death of this body of flesh (end time) he shall APPEAR to us to FACE to FACE.

1 John 3:2

Ephesians 4:13

Ephesians 1:10

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE...

For any who are looking at theories on how it ends. There is a fantastic picture that has been painted and taught since the early 1800s and is taken from Daniel 9:27 to create the last week (7 years). The entire theory and all that is taught that will happen hinges on taking the last week/7 years from this 70-week prophecy.

This prophecy was determined on Daniel's people (house of Israel) and the holy city (Jerusalem).

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

If Jesus fulfilled what was determined in this prophecy, does that make this entire theory and all that is taught in this theory untrue?

How will it change the picture if the 70th week in the book of Daniel has been fulfilled?

What is our blessed hope?

We have been told to study, trust our teacher the Holy Spirit and pray.

These are the six things that were determined, and a few verses that may help your study.

1. To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Isaiah 53:11) ( Hebrews 9:15-18)

2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( John 1:29) ( 1 Corinthians 15:3)

( 1 John 3:5) ( Psalm 32) ( Romans 8:3)

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Isaiah 53:11) ( Ephesians 2:16) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19)

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( Romans 3:21-26) ( 1Peter 2:24)

( 2 Corinthians 5:21) ( Isaiah 61:10-11)

5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) ( Acts 3:18)

( John 5:36-40) ( Matthew 11:11-15)

6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 8:1-12) ( Hebrews 9:6-14)

RLW