Discuss Hosea 11

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2 15.

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the TRADITION which he received of us."

God of my father, i said I would forsake the Catholic church. But now I beseech thee to save the catholic church and not destroy it.

How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together."

"I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city." Hosea 11: 8,9

"Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found." Hosea 14: 8.

These are my petitions for the Catholic church, Lord Jesus Christ,

that you be their only Mediator, the only name that Catholic Christians pray in.

God of my father, save the Christian traditions, save the Catholic church, save Israel, save them and us for thy pardon's sake,

for thy mercies' sake.

God, save thy people Israel in like manner, that they know their true and only Messiah Jesus Christ, and be safeguarded through Him and His forgiveness.

I still need you to be the one that heals me, God of our fathers, stop the way against what hurts, and stop the way against what i fear. Heal my wounds just enough to get me out of harm's way, enough to make me functional again.

I beg to The Lord our God that I be not hospitalized but healed by Him who has Almighty power, through the merits of Our Saviour and Healer Jesus Christ.

Trinity vs Oneness camp: Part 1

I have been wiped out on my computer TWICE trying to get this posting out. Seems the enemy doesn't want me to do this.

Or I had too many windows up at the same time. UGH.

Whenever I go to get scripture references I take a chance on wiping out the page; although my computer for some reason stalled out last run..

I will post this as an argument and rebuttal format just to do something different....

First assumption (as best I understand it). Christ didn't appear any other time in a bodily form except while here on earth.

It should be clear that Christ rose with scars remaining from His body which He had on earth that was resurrected. This is clear from "doubting Thomas" in John 20:28. There are numerous instances when Christ was indeed in a preincarnate form; such as with the incident with Abraham in Genesis 18:18 (where it also appears the discussion in the previous verses is between the Godhead as to whether these things should remain hidden). There is also the incident with the angel of the Lord in Hosea 11:4 cross referencing Jacob wrestling with God in the account of Genesis 32:22-32. For worship to occur these saints of God were indeed only to worship God. Since 1 John states that no one can see God and live; and Genesis 32:30 says that no one has seen God at any time; it seems clear that Christ was appearing in these cases. Numerous other verses could be cited.

The "us" verses.

We see in the original creation story in Genesis 1; as well as the narrative of the Tower of Babel ( Genesis 11:7) where "our image" and "us" is referred to in the creation of man; and the determination to confuse the language of men.

Argument Two: Main premise that God is one appearing in different "modes" or forms. To ignore that God is in distinct persons seems absurd in light of verses such as Luke 23:46 (where Jesus commended His spirit to God at death); and all other verses which showed Christ praying to the Father.

Hi Jesse,

Sorry for the typos, it should be Hosea 11:9 and 1 Corinthians 15:21-22

RLW

Hi Jesse,

"But the importance is that everybody must settle it in their own hearts and minds about who Jesus is." So true. This has been discussed I think most know my understanding on this.

Was He just a great man? 1 Timothy 2:5 Numbers 23:19 1 Hosea 11:19 Corinthians 15:21-22 Was He just a great teacher? John 3:2 Was He a great healer? Luke 4:18-19 Was He a prophet? Deuteronomy 18:18 Was He the brother of Satan? No, He is the only begotten Son, John 3:16 1 John 4:14. Was He Michael the archangel? No, Hebrews 1:5. Or was He God in the flesh? 1 Timothy 3:16 manifest, (make clear, make known) John 5:19. Did Peter give the right answer? Yes.

This doctrine was developed almost 400 years after Jesus's crucifixion, today in Christianity salvation is dependent on the belief in the Trinity doctrine. If that is true. Why is it not taught anywhere in the New Testament?

If Jesus is God why would God have to anoint Him with His Spirit? Did Jesus do the works and the miracles or did God the Father by His Spirit/Holy Spirit? Is salvation at the mercy of the belief in the Trinity doctrine? Did Jesus say the Father was His God? Could God fulfill the law that was made for man? Did God give Himself or His Son that we would not perish? If we say Jesus is God, do we deny the Son?

Jesus said this, John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Acts 4:12 God bless,

RLW

Ez.5:1-4 "A Third Part " (1 of 2)

What is a third part? In the lexicon of the Spirit number Three refers to the Son. The third refers to the tripartite nature of man,body soul and spirit. In his human likeness he was identical with man in all aspects but without sin. In the Book of the Revelation also we come across it in connection with the seven angels with the seven trumpets (Re.8). In the Book of Ezekiel we read thus "...Divide the hair./Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them(5:1-2)."

The three refers to Trinity and when we translate it in terms of judgment we are looking at sin of rebellion in terms of body, spirit and soul. In Torah we have tetragrammaton which when transliterated is YHWH. It is written without vowels, Trinity is somewhat similar. When we consider the Lord Almighty he is expressed as the Father, the Son who is he but the Great Shepherd of souls, and the Holy Ghost.

In an earlier post we mentioned that God forbade Isaac from going to Egypt as his father did in the time of famine. God allowed Abraham to go since it was the necessity of his body. Similarly it was self preservation that necessitated the flight to Egypt surrounding the birth of Jesus. This was predicted by prophet( Hosea 11:1)

How did children of Israel end up in Egypt? In the eyes of God what the patriarchs did to Joseph was sin against his father Jacob. The nation of Israel had to be delivered from Egypt as a synonym for sin. It was against the spirit and crossing the red sea would be in the larger picture of Salvation Plan of God a sacrament, of dying to sin in body. The deliverance of Israelites under the hand of Moses(faithful in all his house) is like a kangaroo word and the Spirit sets him a double for Jesus 'over his own house.'

oops, I meant Hosea 11:9

Hello 08770641,

Hosea 11:18 says: "I am God not a man"

God is eternally unchanging, so He was never a man that became a god.

Matthew 18:2-14, Mark 9:36-37, Mark 10:13-15,

KJV definition of child: Exodus 21:22, starts in womb, 1Kings 3:7-10, Matthew 2:1, Psalms 131:2, Ecclesiastes 4:13, Hosea 11:1,

A child has to trust for every provision

Hopefully these are helpful

No worries Glen , we are all learning from each other on this site .

No worries fren ,. I have no agenda, just basically quotes of scripture an doctors that are in my family !!! An tho all scripture from our Father is truly truthful,.. I can dismiss, that not all medical matters , an experience, or opinions , are correct,.. !!! An hey, no one is perfect, I keep trying an studying, an I learn new things each an every time,.. an when I get stuck on a issue, I MASCHIL. !!! ( stop , pause , meditate, think ). Then of course , pray an ask. !!!!

Glenn , I am sorry if I have misunderstood you , I have the same blood group as my mum , not my dad , it's o rh d neg , it's a rare one apparently ,as a woman , if I got pregnant and my child that was in my womb didn't have the same blood group as me I would probably miscarry without medical intervention . I believe this is only true of o rh d neg . We read in Genesis that Christ is the seed of the woman and a person is only Jewish if their mother is . Again , I'm sorry if I've misunderstood your line of thought on this subject .

The only thing a father gives to there child most definitely in the womb ,.. is there Blood ,.. all children have there's fathered blood line ,.. DNA , takes care of the rest , as far as looks , eyes , hair color, etc

Delia In regards to the genetics of Jesus Christ the human side was Mary the mother, the father side was God who created sperm in mary and keep in mind in genetics the dominant characteristics are from the male side in the blood line. That's why Jesus christ had sinless blood I.E. Lamb of god which taketh away sin of the world. In leviticus 17: 11 the life of the flesh is in the blood. In Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of the flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part [the flesh] of the same that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death that is the devil. Also in Mathew 27:3+4 Then Judas which had betrayed him when he saw that he was condemned repented himself and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the priests and elders. Verse 4 Saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.

We all know that Jesus was not born of man, but of the Holy Spirit.

We know that Joseph, the man who raised Him was from the line of Abraham.

1. Why is Mary's lineage not discussed when she actually shared her blood with Jesus. Joseph helped raise Him as His stepfather.

2. If we are all born into sin (male and female) then why was Marys' blood ok, but not Josephs'?

Hosea 11:4

I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them.

Jeremiah 31:3

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Comment:

These are 2 of my favorite prayers to pray for people that are running from Gods Love. I ask that the Holy Spirit to draw them to God so they may find all of the Love they ever dreamed about; truly belonging, and to never fear again of losing that love. A love steadfast and true. Jesus loved the children in His arms and lap. To which the Pharisees admonished him not to.

The essence of is love is worship. Only unrepentant sin can threaten. If I sense a distancing, I turn back immediately, repent and I'm restored. We don't have to beg. God loves His children.

Song of Solomon 6:3

Psalm 45:11

Genesis 1: 28 Our Lords vision and plan for his children is to Multiply and Increase

1. Enlarge your Tent : Tent represents Prayer, our prayer time should be extended- Exodus 33:9

2. Stretch our your curtains : Curtain represent the Holiness - Exodus 26:33

3. Do not hold back : Represent not to be a hindrance to god's work - Luke 9:49-50

4. Lengthen you cords : Represents Love of God Hosea 11:4

5. Strengthen your Stakes : Represents the Word of God Matthew 7:24-25

Ephesians 5:10 and find our what pleases the God.

This what Lord wanted from us and it pleased to him

Amen.

Hosea 11:1, as per commentary:

11:1 Was a child - In the infancy of Israel. I loved him - Manifested my tender and paternal affection to him. Called my son - Adopted him to be my son, and as my son, provided for him, and brought him out of servitude. Out of Egypt - But Israel, the first adopted son was a type of Christ the first - born. And the history of Israel's coming out was a type of Christ's future coming out of Egypt.

Jesus's parents were told to shelter in Egypt until the death of King Herod; then they returned home.

BSP on Hosea 11:1

what dose it mean ? Sunday school

Isaiah 7:14, Psalm 22"16-18, Genesis 8:1-33, Micah 5:2, Hosea 11:1

Sorry, but verse 1 is pointing to the 1st Exodus of the children of Israel before forming up as a nation. Scripture is always consistent in detailing God's relationship with Israel starting in Egypt.

Verse 1: This was a Messianic prophecy that was fulfilled later as we see at Matthew 2:13-15.

I love this chapter. First Matthew in v15 quotes half of a verse from Hosea 11:1 since the whole verse would show Hosea is speak of the Israel nation. 2nd in v18 he quote Jeremiah, who is talking of Rachel mourning her children going into exile and not of babies being killed. And to top it off in v23 he quotes a prophesy that does not exist! Thanks Matthew, you have destroyed all your credibility!

Please read original text and pray for full dicernment.

This chapter is about somthing that happened in the past and that will repeat its self again.

Also the point of believers being unfaithful and yet God is just.

Stay in the King James Bible. You will never gain anything, but corruption by these other versions. There are four different sons refered to in the Bible. 1 is The Son of God-Jesus 2 Is the son of God-Israel 3 Is sons of God those that are saved and 4 The sons of God which are the Angels. Hosea in this chapter refers to the nation of Israel, not Jesus. Look them up.

First part of Hosea 11:12 KJV matches up with my NIV translation, but the second half of that verse seems to directly contrast with the NIV.

The first verse of this chapter does indeed refer to the Lord JESUS per Matthew chp 2 vs 15. The first portion of Hosea chp 11 vs 1 ...When Israel was a child,... serves as a descriptive timing mechanism for the reader. This is the Word of God you are studying and must be properly divided as encouraged in 2 Timothy chp 2 vs 15. May the LORD bless us all with the Spirit of truth according to His will. Amen

I have read Mathew 2 15 and Hosea 11 it seems that Mathew leaves out the first part of the verse.Hosea is not referring to Jesus, but to the children of Israel. So why leave out the first part of the verse. To make it look like a prophesy about Jesus?.

To me the verse points to Faith, evidence of things not seen God 's mercy endures forever.

There is some confusion on Judah, kjv says he rules and others say he strays. Explain.

This is a prophecy that points toward the Messiah and how he was called out of Egypt. Jesus was taken into Egypt and after Herod died he was brought back from Egypt. The fulfillment of this is found at Matthew 2:15.