Discuss Hosea 2

Hi Inajermyn. Are you referring to Hosea 2:16,17 & also to Revelation 19:7-9? If so, we're not told in the Revelation whether the LORD God is referred to by a special Name (e.g. Ishi = Husband). We do know that ever since Jesus, God's Son, came to Earth to secure our redemption through His Blood, the LORD has always been referred to as Abba = Father, amongst those in that new relationship to Him (of Jew & Gentile).

God was once considered by Israel as 'Baali' (Owner), though the LORD longed that Israel would turn away from idolatry & turn back to Him, their Husband (Ishi). How that relationship with Israel pans out post-Cross is difficult to say, for the Scriptures are clear that only those who 'call upon the Lord (Jesus) will be saved' ( Romans 10:13) - and these people are those who call the LORD, their Heavenly Father, even as He is the Father of Jesus Christ, and we in Him, His Body, the Church.

Ez. 16:35-64 "O Daughter of Zion" (2 of 2)

The mighty Samson's fall did not come out of a vacuum. His daily walks and the company chose were ever at heels. Evil communication corrupts good manners, in his case his Nazarite vow and it shall lead him inevitable to Delilah's lap. As a lamb to the slaughter he walked into disaster. " And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him." (Ju.16:20. One of the saddest lines ever penned for our instruction. No different is how those who ought to be teachers err in photoshopping Jesus by making him more salable to the congregation. Take away his deity and what is left ? This slipshod attitude to what is holy makes apostate church. Comparing apples with lemon is OK because fruit is a fruit. But knowing holiness of God is a spiritual task so literal significance of a fruit is not called for but what taste has it? "Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?" This is how one need to approach comparing spiritual with spiritual. (Jas.3:10-12)

"Thou art thy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children." When one has left off the godliness and simplicity, mother could be Sodom for all that was her characteristic is now reborn in daughter of Zion. "And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD,thatthou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali( Hosea 2:16)". "For thy Makeristhine husband; the LORD of hostsishis name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called (Is.54:5)".

You're welcome Gigi.

Look how God's longsuffering and everlasting mercy plays a role in the Nation!

Here's a few points that's often overlooked in this portion of scripture.

Israel was already given the law at this time, however the keeping of the law played no role in them entering the promise land.

Lack of faith did.

There were no requirements on their part but to trust in the unconditional promises God gave to Abraham.

It's God's reputation and ability to provide those promises was and still is on display.

As we look ahead into Ch 14 we see Moses making intercession for Israel by God's promises, "Not Israel's faithfulness"

Notice Numbers 14:11-16.

Today the Church has joined this group in their mockery of God's promises!

God could have ended it right there but he made Promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob "who's later named Israel" that he will make a nation out of them and they would inherit a Land that he laid out.

That's important because they have NEVER possessed all the Land. But they will!

Look at the means by which Moses petition God on the behalf of Israel in Numbers 14:17-

And now, I beseech thee, let the power of my LORD be great, according as thou hast spoken, saying,

The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

Pardon, I beseech thee, the iniquity of THIS PEOPLE according unto the greatness of thy mercy, and as thou hast forgiven THIS PEOPLE, from Egypt even until now.

The Nation of Israel is given mercy and inheritance as God's first born.

Exodus 4:22.

Isaiah 14:1-2.

Hosea 2:23.

According to Paul he's not done with them and the promises will be fulfilled to them as a Nation and first born.

Romans 10:19-21 through

Romans 11:1-4.

Conclusion.

Romans 11:30-32.

God bless.

0817880641. You asked, "what is a gentile to God?" When we think of a 'gentile' (or, a non-Jew), we can only use the word after Noah, the Flood, & ultimately his sons as they & their descendants departed & inhabited the 'new world' (post-Flood). Before Noah, there were no Jews or Israel - but man from the very beginning began to depart from worshiping the true God. So when you look at the generations from Shem (Noah's son, through whom God called out His special people), in Genesis 11:10-26, we see that God had a specific plan to bring about blessing first to Israel & then to the gentiles. Even though it might seem that the gentile was unimportant to God, because they did not receive His Favor, His Laws, & His Presence, gentiles were never far from God's thoughts, even using them to sometimes bless or chastise His people.

Till the coming of Jesus, His Sacrifice for all sinners (Jew & Gentile alike: Romans 10:12, "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him"), the gentile had little knowledge or participation in the Grace of God. Therefore, gentiles, as the Jew, are from the one Adam onto Noah & his sons - all are precious to Him & all will fulfill His Plan for the world.

You have questioned your position & purpose as a gentile before God. The Apostle Paul reminds us in Romans 9:25,26, "As he saith also in Osee (Hosea), I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God" ( Hosea 2:23). This is speaking about us, to us. If you as a gentile rejected God's Call on your life to salvation & blessing, then you would be in the same boat as the Jew, who received the blessings, but still rejecting God's Grace in His Son. "There is no difference". You are more precious to God if you have called upon Him.

Jema,

Pt. 2

In John 8:56, Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see my (Jesus') day. Abraham knew that the promise God made to him concerning his seed was a prophecy of Jesus, the Seed, promised. Abraham knew that Isaac was a fulfillment of the promise, but also knew that Isaac was foreshadowing Jesus, the Messiah, the true Israel of God because the gospel was preached to Abraham in advance (I'll get you the Scripture citation later).

In Rom. 9:1-6 Paul speaks of his desire for his ethnic people to be saved because of the heritage they received: the covenants, the law, service to God, the promises, and from whom, concerning the fleshy lineage, Christ came (vs.4-5). In vs 6-8 speaks that not all who are of (ethnic) Israel are of Israel (Christ), neither because they are sons of Abraham in the flesh, are they children (of God), but the children of the promise (of Christ) are counted as seed.

Verses 22-27 speaks of God preparing before creation the vessels of His mercy created for Hiis glory and to receive glory. Then Paul says: Even us, not the Jews only but also gentiles citing Hosea 2:23 that God will call those people who are not my people my people and her beloved , which was not beloved (meaning those who are in Christ-the Church) who are now God's people, the children of the living God. That's us!

Verse 27 speaks of Israel as being as many as the sands of the sea, yet only a remnant of ethnic Israel will be saved. And this remnant are those who believe in Jesus. Verse 30-32 speaks of the gentiles who followed not after righteousness from keeping the law have attained righteousness by faith. And Israel, who tried to attain righteousness by keeping the law did not attain righteousness through the law, did not, because they sought righteousness in law-keeping and not in Christ by faith.

Chapter 10 begins with Paul expressing his heartfelt desire and prayer is for Israel to be saved. ....cont.

Jimbob

Pt. 4

These Jews became one in Christ along with the Gentiles and together are the True Israel of God, the people of God, a holy nation, royal priesthood, peculiar people, chosen of God. This is a spiritual people, which is the highest and most perfect way for one to be joined to God as His people.

In my view, there are no more promises or prophecies to be fulfilled for ethnic Israel, because Jesus fulfilled all of them, being Yes in them. So, I do not believe it is God's will for the Jews to have an earthly kingdom in the end times, or to rebuild a temple, and begin to offer sacrifices once again. If the Jews do this, it is of their making, not God's.

God had promised to bring the remnant of Israel back to God from all parts of the world, but this is a remnant that is in Christ, not the ethnic nation of Israel. What we see as the nation of Israel was brought about by Zionists in places of power, But God allowed it desiring them to turn back to Him. But as Jesus said, "Jerusalem, Jerusalem...... how often would I have gathered your children together.....and Ye would NOT! Behold your house is left to you desolate (70 A.D.) Matt. 23:37-38. And today, they still WILL NOT.

But all Jews who are in Christ will be saved, the remnant that God elected, chosen before the creation of the world. In Romans 9 Paull quotes Hosea 2:25-27 saying that the people that were not Gods people, are now HIs people, sons of the living God. And Paul quotes Isaiah 10_20-23 and Hosea 1:10 concerning Israel, that though the number of the children of Israel be as sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.

Romans 11:2 says that God has not cast away his people which He foreknew...And in verse 5 Paul says that that there is a remnant according to election by grace reserved for salvation. Paul says that ethnic Israel has been blinded, and have a spirit of slumber, their eyes do not see and ears do not hear.

Paul then goes on to explain the two olive trees, .....cont.

ISRAEL GODS ELECT.

Part 2.

Richard, I was reading the thread you posted and I made a mistake and sent Part 1 to you. I was trying to start a new thread. Sorry.

Daniel 9:24-27.

Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE AND UPON THY HOLY CITY, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

THY PEOPLE AND UPON THY HOLY CITY. This is Israel!

These verses have to be interpreted correctly in order to understand eschatology.

Associate these verses with Mathew 24 and Romans 11:25.

Hosea 2:1-23.

and Acts 15:13-16.

Notice verse 16.

AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

After what?

"The fulness of the Gentiles Paul speaks of in Romans 11:25.

Hi Texsis. He is partly correct in what he said, but more accurately, it should be written, 'The Bible is, in part, about the history of Israel, the people chosen by God, through whom God's blessings would come; that all the world should know the One & True Living God, Who would one day send His Son to be the Redeemer for Israel & the World.' The Torah had an immediate benefit only to Israel, for it was given to them to learn from & obey. Had they been true to God, they would have been used by God as a mighty witness to the World. But they failed Him, disobeying Him & taking on the sins & corruptions of the Gentiles, thus falling into the same condemnation.

God may not have "dealt with any other nations" as He did with His people Israel, but the nations stood condemned for their sins & idolatry just as Israel suffered under God's Hand when they despised Him. The nations may not have known anything about Israel's God, but the Bible in its fullness must have a very real bearing to the Gentiles as their history is also intertwined within Israel's history.

From Adam & Eve right up to Abraham & Isaac, Israel was not a people or nation. Gentiles too have an heritage to Adam even though not much is given after the Flood when the descendants of Ham & Japheth spread out into the world. But we have the mention of Melchizedek ( Genesis 14:18-20), Hagar ( Genesis 16:1-3), Rahab ( Joshua 6:22-25), Ruth (Ruth chapter 2), the repentance of the City of Nineveh ( Jonah 3:5-10). All these in the OT show that Gentiles were still in God's Mind & to be used of Him.

And Hosea 2:23, "...I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God", to this verse the Apostle Peter refers in 1 Peter 2:10. The Church, composed of Jew & Gentile believers were planned for in the Old Testament & realized in the NT Church & the coming of the Holy Spirit to make her God's special possession.

Thank you Jesse! We are free because of the Brave!

Matthew 10:34, Romans 8:38-39, Ecclesiastes 3:1-11,

Genesis 3:24, 1Chronicles 21, 1Chronicles 24:16, Exodus 32:27, read in context Exodus 32, Leviticus 26, Numbers 22, Deuteronomy 13:15, Deuteronomy 20:13, Deuteronomy 32, Jeremiah 50:35-37, Amos 1:11, Amos 9:4-15,

Joshua 5:10-15 continues Joshua 6,

1Samuel 15,

2Kings 6, note 2Kings 6:22, 2Chronicles 23:21, Nehemiah 4, Esther 9, Jeremiah 43:11, Hosea 2:18, Micah 4:3,

Hope these encourage

Thanks Giannis.

In the past I've used that analogy of the puzzle pieces. The Gospel paints a picture starting from Genesis.

The problem often comes when one have a picture in mind and try to fit pieces of the puzzles together that don't belong so they have to reshape the surrounding pieces to there liking, usually by spritualizing all the pieces/scripture, or they take one piece of a puzzle/scripture that represents their picture and try to fit it in a 1000 piece puzzle that it doesn't belong to, so they reshape the 1000 pieces by spritualizing.

Here's an example.

Who's the writer referring to here?

"Therefore my people" are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.

Isaiah 5:13.

I've heard it taught that this was all of creation. ( A piece of puzzle that don't even fit the chapter or anywhere else in the 66 books. )

But if they would let the scripture say what it is saying you would find the answer throughout the chapter, especially verse 7.

"For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry"

Isaiah 5:7.

Here's just a few of many other puzzle pieces.

Exodus 3:10.

Exodus 5:1.

Exodus 8:23.

Leviticus 26:12.

1 Samuel 2:28-29.

1 Kings 6:12-13.

Isaiah 1:3.

Isaiah 10:24.

Isaiah 14:25.

Jeremiah 1:16.

Jeremiah 2:11.

Ezekiel 11:20.

Ect...

There's hundreds that reference Isaiah 5:13. to Israel!!

And Hosea 2:23 suggests God's not done with them. Also Romans 11:1.

God is in the generation of the righteous. Psalms 14:5.

We become his people by seeking him, not everyone will do this.

Zachariah gives a distinction between between the heathen nations and God's people. Zachariah 8:7.

Another distinction.

Mathew 7:21-23. You can't be his people and he not know you.

Heresies are built this way.

God bless.

Matthew 25:31-46,

St. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. St. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. I am not aware the Bible uses unconditional love unless it uses a different word. It does say God commendeth(introduce or exhibit) his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

The love of God is unconditional.no matter how much we sin He is always at the door waiting for you to open it voluntarily.saying yes to God with all of our heart,mind and our soul.

Why are we not now - in the present, living out Isaiah 11:6-9? - Which tells us that the coming Kingdom will be free of harm. Isaiah 65:25, Hosea 2:18, Ezekiel 34:25, Romans 14:17.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.

It seems to me there is absolutely no reason to slaughter any sentient beings other than to fill our stomachs with rotting flesh. This practice does not paint a picture of the peaceable kingdom in the garden of Eden. Animal husbandry is barbaric-inhumane-void of compassion.

"Compassion, in which all ethics must take root, can only attain its full breadth and depth if it embraces all living creatures and does not limit itself to mankind." Albert Schweitzer

"I believe in my heart that faith in Jesus Christ can and will lead us beyond an exclusive concern for the well being of other human beings to the broader concern for the well-being of the birds in our backyard, the fish in our rivers, and every living creature on the face of the earth." John Wesley, Christian Theologian.

"I am persuaded you are not insensible to the pain given to every Christian, every humane heart, by those savage diversions, bull-baiting, cock-fighting, horse-racing, and hunting." John Wesley

In Genesis 9:3 God gave Noah the permission to eat animal flesh. This was a concession to man's sinfulness. But when you look at the verse in it's context, it is clear that God is only grudgingly giving humans this permission. "Vegetarianism practiced in the Garden of Eden ( Gen. 1:29-30, 2:16), and the prophecy that natural predators will live together peacefully in the future (Is 11:6-8), suggest that the eating of animal flesh isn't God's ideal." Steve W. Bemke

In the presence of Jehovah

Lino

I have a question.....will all children born out of wedlock be cursed for 7 generations?

This passage is often used to provoke us to witness but in fact it's a sad declaration to the Jews (& specifically to those around Jesus at meal-time). The message of Luke 14:16-24 was an indictment against the Jews about their rejection of God's Message & Provision of salvation. One said in verse 15, "Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God", believing in the special position that only the Jews enjoyed & to be in God's Kingdom. Jesus then went about to show him that that position was now untenable because of their rejection of the Messiah of God.

So, in the parable, the invited guests represent the Jewish people. The Kingdom was prepared for them & Jesus came preaching that the Kingdom of Heaven was near ( Matthew 4:17), but they had rejected Him & His Messiahship ( John 1:11). And of course, all types of excuses were given to discount Jesus' claim & works.

Thus the invitation (of God) went out to those whom the Jews considered as outcasts & unclean (the Gentiles), that we in our miserable state of ignorance of God's Holy Demands, would be given the opportunity to salvation which the Jews despised. As Hosea 2:23 says, "I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God".

Even as Paul declared in Acts 13:46,47, "It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth." We may not all be missionaries in our calling, or standing on street corners warning every man, but we are called to be witnesses of God's Grace reaching out to those who have never heard. In the most part, we as Christians, have failed to be God's Light & Hope in this dark & desperate world.

What does this bible verse explain

Joe,

The word corn in Hosea 2:8 refers to grain or wheat. It is not corn. From what I have learned, they didn't have cornfields back then. But they did have wheat fields.

The word corn in Matthew 12:1 and Luke 6:1 can be replaced with the word wheat. These were not cornfields, but wheat fields. The disciples were picking grains of wheat. I am not sure why the translators put corn in our English bible, but the word corn in the Greek text is the word STACHUAS, which refers to ears of grain.

If corn is native to the Americas, how is it written about in ancient Judah? Is this just because its King James translation?

Bill sometimes those words meaning Lord or King is associated with satanism.

Baal meant Lord and was so associated with satanism the Lord said not to call him that anymore.

Judges 2:13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

Judges 8:33 And it came to pass, as soon as Gideon was dead, that the children of Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Baalim, and made Baalberith their god.

Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: (CHILD SACRIFICES)

Hosea 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.

1 Kings 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

2 Kings 23:13 And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.

What is this "original Hebrew" stuff? Do you want to call the God of Heaven a name associated with Devils?

2:11 I will also cause to cease..... her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. Since God divorced Israel, and abandoned her, I assume this prophecy came true. So Israel, the true Israel, has no clue when their new moons or Sabbaths are God took them away. Is this still true after the Pharisees returned in 1948? And is this why the Sabbath command was not re-instituted in the NT?

The original sabbaths which were the ceremonial law were nailed to the cross. The moral law was written on table of stone, with the finger of God. EXODUS 20:8-11. The Ceremonial law written by Moses, Deut. 31:24-26. Hosea 2:11 is referring to the ceremonial laws. The ten commandments is still binding today. Where there is no law there is no sin.

The original sabbath which was observed using the Lunar Calendar was lost among the Israelites because they refused to keep the laws of Yahuwah. Read Hosea 2:11 for more info.

Osee is Hosea. The passage is found in Hosea 2:23

Hosea chapter 2 teaches me about the love God have for humanity. if God could asked His prophet Hosea to take a whore as a wife and He himself named the children of this whore, then brethren we should not condemn anyone because my God is capable to use those we called unbelievers to glorify Himself or accomplish His prophesies. for whiles we were yet sinners Christ died for us, glory haleluya

verse 4 Who are israelites to whom pertinent the promises verse 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh these are not the children of God verse 24,25 Read Hosea 2:23, Hosea 1:10 These are all israelites not outsiders

Verse 10: The Israelites were accountable to Jehovah God and none of the false gods they were worshipping would save them from him judgment.

A prophecy for Israel: Hosea's life dipicted Israel's life with Yah. Israel committed whoredoms by going after the Baalims, and Yah said Lo Ammi (not my people) and He scattered them, but He says even though He scattered them their number will be as the sand of the sea ( Genesis 22:). But He will gather them again and take away baalim from their mouth and they shall call Him Ishi (My Husband).

This is a Prophecy for the people of Israel, if we read the first chapter carefully we will see this.
the wife of whoredoms represents Israel and her whoredoms to Yah, and He Yah is telling what will happen to Israel. and He is saying that although He will do all this to Israel their number will be as the sand of the sea (for this He promised to Abraham in Genesis)

This chapter teaches me about the unfailing love for all humanity especially those that he called my people..christians who understands this claim my people knows that no matter what we go through in life even falling short of Gods glory that there is always that open door to reconciliation it teaches me the breath the width and the depth of God's unconditional love for us as a people His chosen.