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Roman,

"... as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. They...(ate, drank and married)... until THE DAY that Noah entered the Ark, and the flood came, and destroyed THEM ALL. (The sinners are not destroyed 1,000 years later)

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; ... THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from Heaven, and destroyed THEM ALL.

Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of Man is revealed."

Luke 17:26-30

And when is He revealed?

AFTER the Great Tribulation, on the LAST DAY of this world, NOT 1,000 years later.

Mt. 24:29-31

John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24; 12:48

"... the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, ...cast into the sea, ...When it was full, they ... gathered the good into vessels, but CAST THE BAD AWAY. (They didn't SAVE the bad for 1,000 years.)

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and SEVER THE WICKED from among the just, and shall CAST THEM INTO THE FURNACE OF FIRE: ..."

Mat. 13:47-50

The wicked will be SEVERED from the just on THE DAY that Jesus returns, and they will be destroyed along with the rest of the earth.

Isaiah 13:9-11

You mentioned something about this next passage, the order of the firstfruits?:

"...they that are Christ's at His coming. (shall be made alive) Then COMETH THE END, when He shall have DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, even the Father; WHEN HE SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN ALL RULE and all authority and power."

1 Cor. 15:22-24

And why does Jesus hand over HIS kingdom to the Father on the SAME DAY that He returns? BECAUSE IT WAS HIS KINGDOM from the time of the Cross until His return. He does NOT hand it over 1,000 years AFTER His return.

Israel of God, the Children of God, are a Spiritual Race, not a physical ethnic race. How can we be sure?

"God is a Spirit"

John 4:24

"... Israel is My son; even My first-born:"

Exod. 4:22

If God is a Spirit, His children must be of the Spirit; not a physical race of people who are centralized in one place in the world. God told us He would strike the Shepherd (Jesus) and the sheep would be scattered. The Israel/Children of God are among every race and in every corner of the world.

"... They which are the children of THE FLESH, these are NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: ..."

Rom. 9:8

The Children of the Spirit are of God; THEY are the True Israel.

The Day of the Lord in Joel is the same as in Isaiah 13:9-11 & Matt. 24:29-31. It is the Wrath of God, final day judgment. Jesus returns on the very last day of the world which eliminates the possibility of a Millennium period BEFORE these things take place.

Jesus tells us in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; John 11:24 & John 12:48 that He is coming on the Last Day of the world. That is the SAME DAY that the Wrath of God takes place. That's why it is called the Lord's (Jesus') Day.

These verses coincide perfectly with the Matt. and Isaiah verses above.

"A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, ..."

Joel 2:2

"The earth shall quake ... the heavens shall tremble: the sun and moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army: for the Day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

Joel 2:10-11

"...let the Bridegroom go forth of His chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (this is Jesus returning for His saints on the same day as the Wrath of God/Day of the Lord - coincides perfectly with Matt. 24:29-31)

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible Day of the Lord come."

Joel 2:31

There is no place for 1,000 yrs between Jesus' return and the Wrath of God. It does not fit.

Many people try to claim that events in scripture coincide with certain Trumpet Events, and therefore MUST be held to a certain order of events listed in Revelation. The book of Revelation makes very clear that it is all vision, symbols and spiritual events. As I've shown, Rev. 20:1-7 is contradicted by many prior events in the book of Revelation and thus cannot be taken as literal or LINEAR. Too many events in Revelation contradict 20:1-7 before it even begins.

God makes very clear to us in His Word using 'signature events' to create undeniable proof of the things that line-up in scripture to create a rock-solid foundation for specific doctrine. The 'Day of the Lord, Wrath of God, return of Jesus' is one of those events - the same event. And I have supplied the passages that reveal this very clearly.

Matthew 24:29-31

and

Isaiah 13:9-11

Signature events:

"...the stars of heaven and the constellations ... shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened ... the moon shall not cause her light to shine."

Isaiah 13:10

"Immediately after the Tribulation ... shall the sun be darkened,... the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:..."

Matt. 24:29

Same day, same event. The Day of the Lord (Jesus')/Wrath of God destruction of the earth and all sinners and the return of Jesus Christ.

The Wrath of God:

"Behold the Day of the Lord (Jesus) cometh, cruel both with WRATH and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

Isaiah 13:9

"And I will PUNISH THE WORLD for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."

Isaiah 13:11

These events happen on the same exact day, the 'very last day' of the earth. How do we know? Jesus Himself tells us plainly many times in the book of John.

John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24; 12:48

The Millennium is False Doctrine.

SolaScript,

This isn't an argument I like, simply because we are not getting the whole picture, it's a dream state in Plato's cave.

I'm dismayed to report that your context lacks continuity:

Revelation 6 describes subsequent seals, through sixth seal events that lead up to and are actually kicks off (vs 12) the day of the Lord. You must have got mixed up here, made a mistake in scripture selection.

Revelation 7:13-14 These are the 7th trumpet saints, resurrected from the great tribulation and standing in heaven, they were previously getting sealed in verses 1-8.

Matthew 24:29-31 This sequence tells of the 6th trumpet (vs 29) and the 7th trumpet 2nd coming of Christ (vs 30). They are 2 separate events in time.

Isaiah 13:9-11 This is a classic 6th trumpet, day of the Lord depiction.

Revelation 7:15-17 OK, this is a millennium scripture.

The earth was not ever fully destroyed, and that is the absolute reason why Jesus intervenes on our affairs. Jesus returns when he does to stop anti-christ's feuding army from completely blowing up the earth. God lures the beast to Armageddon, where originally the beast was going to fight the false prophet to the death, until Christ showed up. If Jesus didn't save the earth, then whats the point of a savior? He didn't die on the cross in vain. I strongly believe you are reading this wrong, and limited sources doesn't help much.

Daniel 7:12 will manifest itself in our realm, like anti-christ will manifest himself after the falling away. The other beasts are nations, and peoples, not figments of God's imagination. These characters are real nations and real people, doing the Lord's will. The same on earth as in heaven, so above, so below. We are soon moving on to a new age, and changes are on the way.

Hi Richard.

The Millennium doctrine maintains that the judgment will not come until after the 1,000 years. Your first sentence contradicts that right off the bat.

You are actually correct about everything up to the Millennium part. The Tribulation will come, then immediately after that Jesus returns, gathers His saints and the Wrath of God destruction of the earth (judgment of the earth and all sinners) ensues. After that is the New Heaven and New Earth. No Millennium time period at all. Jesus just reigns for eternity after all that. This coincides perfectly with these main end time verses.

Matt. 24:29-31

Isaiah 13:9-11

And does not coincide whatsoever with Rev. 20:1-7. Look at Rev. 19 and you will see that sinners and the beast and false prophet are already gone before Rev. 20 even begins. That's why you can't translate chapter 20 literally OR linearly. Chapter 10 tells us all time stops. ???

The small portion of scripture from Rev. 20:1 to 20:7 cannot be confirmed by any other scripture anywhere in the Bible. If you look at it enough, you will see this.

Hi Aaron.

One of the conditions of the Millennium time period doctrine is that it must take place on the physical earth 'prior' to the earth's destruction. The 144, 000 are discussed in Rev. 7. Herein lies the problem. Rev. 6 describes the return of Christ and the Wrath of God 'destruction', and falling apart of the earth. Rev. 7:13-14 coincides perfectly with Matt. 24:29-31 and Isaiah 13:9-11. Also, Rev. 7:15-17 describes these people being in a heavenly/spiritual realm, not a physical one. The earth has already been destroyed at this time and the Millennium cannot be happening because its doctrine states that the earth will be the same throughout the 1,000 years and the New Heaven and New Earth will not come until after the Mill.

Daniel 7:12 also has a similar problem. It is all a symbolic, spiritual 'vision' - not literal. Verse 13 reads:

"I saw in the 'night visions' and behold one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. ... His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

The Ancient of Days is a Spirit and resides in the spirit realm. John 4:24

An everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and a kingdom which shall not be destroyed does not say anything at all about a 1,000 year trial period of time. No Millennium verses here. This is all symbolic vision and/or things taking place in the spirit realm. They cannot be speaking of the Millennium doctrine.

I almost forgot to mention, it appears you have Isaiah 13:9-11 out of context. That chapter portrays the day of the Lord, the fall of Babylon in graphic detail. Regardless, you did an outstanding job covering this topic.

Hi Mishael.

The Millennium doctrine is based only upon 7 verses in Rev. 20:1-7, but that is a symbolic, visionary, spiritual prophecy that is not to be taken literally or in a linear understanding. Rev. 10 speaks of all time coming to an end while Rev. 19 speaks of the beast and false prophet being destroyed along with all sinners left in the world. By the time Rev. 20:1-7 begins, it has already been contradicted multiple times in Revelation itself. It is not to be taken literally. Matthew 24:29-31 and Isaiah 13:9-11 coincide perfectly showing Christ's return AFTER the Great Tribulation (there is NO Pre-Trib Rapture) and He gathers His people immediately before the Wrath of God destruction of the earth and all sinners.

There is no reconciling all those verses without taking the Millennium event of Rev. 20 out of literal interpretation.

The end times will include a Great Tribulation which all Christians will have to endure. Some will be converted to the antichrist faith out of fear and desperation. Some will be killed for their faith and refusal to denounce Christ and some will live throughout that time until the very end ( Matthew 24:29-31) when Jesus will come in an unimaginably dramatic fashion and every eye will see Him. ( Rev. 1:7) He will gather the remnant of His people and then God's Wrath will destroy the earth and all sinners therein as well as the devil, the beast and the false prophet. Then the New Heaven and New Earth will come about and Jesus' "Heavenly"(not physical earthly) reign will ensue.

Happy to discuss further if you'd like to address specific verses. It is very important for Christians to understand this information. Some would argue it is not salvific (does not concern salvation), but it very much does. Please review the verses I presented and respond with any questions.

Thank you and God bless.

King James and Strong's is all I use. Been studying scripture, cover to cover, for well over a decade. Jer. 17 speaks of the Sabbath. You are claiming that is speaking of a thousand year period instead of the 7th Day Sabbath which is what the Bible is referring to there. There is no mention anywhere there of a 1,000 year period. By default, you are claiming that the days of Creation were thousand year periods as well which is not Biblical. Each day statement ends with the word day, regardless of the 'evening and morning' comment. ... the first Day, ... the second Day, etc. Not 1,000 year periods of time. Leviticus 23:32 makes plain what God intended to convey with the Creation week account. The Sabbath was taken from than account ( Gen. 2:2-3) and the Lev. verse tells us it is one 24 hr day.

Proverbs 1 says nothing about a 1,000 year period.

James 5, as well, says nothing at all about a 1,000 yr period of time. The only possible reference there is to the return of Christ and maybe the Wrath of God. Neither of which contain a 1,000 yr period of time. Matthew 24:29-31 presents the one and only return of Jesus and details many of the beginnings of the destruction of the earth at that very time. Millennium doctrine does not allow for destruction of the earth until after the 1,000 years. It is not supported by scripture anywhere outside of Rev. 20:1-7 which is symbolic or takes place in the spirit, not literal/physical. Isaiah 13:9-11 supports the same as Mt. 24:29-31.

2 Tim. 2 does not mention any 1,000 yr period of time. There is no support of the Mil. The only verse that could come close is 2:12 about 'reigning with Him.' That is not a reference to a Mil. time period, it is a reference to 1 Cor. 6:17 - our spirit being joined to the Lord at this very moment if we are 'IN' Christ

Please post 'specific' verses or passages if you wish to continue so that we can get right down to Hebrew/Greek 'word meanings' if necessary. Posting entire chapters is a waste of time.

Between your post and mine, what I stated was very matter of fact and impersonal. Yours was defensive. I certainly didn't call you out personally and if what I posted was perceived as a threat to you, you did not have to reply.

The Isaiah passage you quoted was very long and general. It does mention the New Heaven and New Earth, though. That is not part of the Millennium doctrine, it is said to come after that time frame. The Millennium doctrine claims that the earth will remain as is for the 1,000 year period and not be destroyed, or made new, until after that time period. Also, New Heaven and New Earth can imply a heavenly/spiritual time, which supports my position that the Millennium is not supported by any scripture outside of Revelation.

In the Rev. 20 passage, thrones are mentioned as well as souls of the beheaded. This strongly implies a heavenly/spiritual dimension, not physical. Beheaded souls cannot be alive in the physical. The mention of thrones echoes Daniel 7:9 which speaks of a heavenly/spiritual realm of existence where the Ancient of Days is upon the throne.

Revelation is highly symbolic and non-literal, even the intro says so. John himself states that he was "in the spirit" on three, or more, occasions. There are some things in Revelation that are backed by multiple other scriptures outside of the book itself, but the Millennium reign has no support at all. The rest of scripture makes the case clearly that Jesus will return, gather His people and the Wrath of God destruction, and wiping out of sinners, will ensue. It is then that the New Heaven and New Earth will begin. Not a thousand years after, and not before the Wrath of God destruction and final judgment of all sinners.

Matthew 24:29-31

Isaiah 13:9-11

Revelation 10 describes all time ending, long before Revelation 20 - which tells us we cannot take Revelation literally or in a linear perception.

I will have to address the other contradictions in my next post. No more characters allowed

In this passage; it would seem that the "sanctified ones" who "rejoice in my highness" would be none other than God's Resurrected Saints arriving toward the end of the Tribulation; to follow in the destruction of Babylon following Christ's triumphant return where He alone will "trod out the grapes" as shown in Isaiah 63:3; and also indicated in Revelation 14:9. There are; no doubt preparatory stages for this; for even in the sixth seal judgment of Revelation 6:12 we see the knowledge of the peoples of the earth of the judgments of both the Father and the Son; and events similar to verse 10 of this chapter. Other verses such as verse 13 could be both seal judgment earthquakes and the later one which comes at Babylon the Great's destruction or indeed at Armageddon. It would seem that there is a destruction of a literal city first; then the whole world system later. Armageddon; the gathering together of all nations also will be associated with people from one end of the earth to another being killed at around the same time as well. Whether the USA is indicated; or what seems to be a new planned mega-city in the Arabian vicinity (30 times the size of New York City run by drones is the claim); we see a push in that region of the world for an ecumenical unification of the 3 monotheistic faiths in the cards being planned by the Pope and others in short order. Still other verses would seem to indicate that Israel's still greater prosperity in gold and silver; and worldwide trade is yet to come-this is probably bolstered further by the tremendous natural gas resources as yet untapped due to conflicting claims of ownership by surrounding nations. The recent Gulf States plans for economic cooperation with Israel and the Saudi's not far behind is another indication of the likelihood that the geographic region of ancient Babylon may once again become a reality as to being a major area of trade. In any event verse 11 and 12 show the worldwide end of the age judgment

Amen David. Yah will not force himself upon anyone. It is our duty to seek his face lest we perish. And it is his desire that all be saved. Thank you David for the word, may you be encouraged thereby.

God's love is never forced upon any one. He will let people reject His call and allow people to make their own decision. He is not willing that anyone should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It is your choice and no one will force you, least of all the Lord Jesus Christ. Our prayer is as the Lord's desire is - that all will be saved.

Linda. There are two references to this: Isaiah 13:9.10 and Joel 3:14-16.

Genius 1:16

Amos 5:8

1 Corinthians 15:14

Genius 2:4

Psalms 115:16 (space) the lack of breathable atmosphere, radiation, medical complications?

Psalms 147:4

Psalms 136:9

Revelation 6:13

Job 25:5

Job 9:7

Job 22:12

Psalms 8:3

Joel 2:10 Eclipse? Ezekiel 32:7 , Isaiah 50:3

Isaiah 13:10

Isaiah 40::22

Hopefully these scripture verses help you better research the Bible & what more it says about Earth, and space. There are more.

Precious friends, 'Which' Day are we, The Body Of CHRIST 'To look, watch, and wait for'?

Please prayerfully/Carefully Consider, for Encouragement and Comfort ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)

The Day Of CHRIST:

"Mystery" CHURCH: Designated as the "Heavenly" Day of CHRIST, Which Will Be The Day Of the consummation of our salvation (into glorification!), And, Presenting of our "rewards!" (Phi 1:6; Phi 1:10; Philippians 1:6,10, Phi 2:16; 1 Corinthians 1:8, 1 Co 3:8-15; 2 Corinthians 1:14).

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Day Of The LORD:

Israel's KINGDOM: Designated as the "Earthly" Day Of The LORD, which will be, first

of all, a day of Judgment to be followed by the establishment of the Kingdom!

( Isaiah 13:9-16, Isa 24:21-23, Isa 26:20-21, Isaiah 34:1-35:10; Isa 34; Isa 35:1-10; Ezekiel 30:3; Joel 1:15, Joe 2:1-11, Joel 2:1-11; Amos 5:16-20; Obadiah 1:15-21; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Zephaniah 14:1-21; Malachi 4:1-6; Matthew 25:31-46; Acts 2:19-21)

Portion of C.R. Stam Article: Link

or:

(Full Article: "The Day of the Lord -- What Is It?" - by Pastor Cornelius R. Stam)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)

You can't see the connection besides the obvious, that both Cyrus and anti-christ destroy Babylon? You can't see similarities between the attacks? Much of what God proclaims of Cyrus can be found in anti-christ.

Anti-christ posses every characteristic that previous empires boasted, to include Persia. ( Daniel 7)

The references are short and subtle here, but none the less, the association is evident. Don't sell yourself short on the depth of richness offered by the prophets.

Isaiah 46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Isaiah 13:5 They come FROM A FAR COUNTRY, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

This reveals shared anti-christ traits, his many descriptions, here a ravenous bird from the east that executes God's will. It is all connected, even in small ways. God holds the right hand of Cyrus, sanctified in him to do God's will, like anti-christ.

Below you can see the similarity, the order, God is one with anti-christ (like Cyrus) in battle, and is delighted with His army that's about to destroy Babylon. God even calls anti-christ's army "His sanctified ones" (like Cyrus). This theme mirrors many other accounts, for example:

( Isaiah 13:1-7) specifically vs 5:

1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

This is about anti-christ, his many descriptions, here a ravenous bird from the east that executes God's will. Below you can see God is one with anti-christ in battle, and is delighted with His army that's about to destroy Babylon. God even calls anti-christ's army "His sanctified ones". This theme mirrors many other accounts, for example:

( Isaiah 13:1-7) specifically vs 5:

1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

Sacha,

You are a dear, bless your heart, may you and your lucky husband prosper in heart. The other thread was closed for fundamental vanity, so I'm posting on the main page, cause I like you in a very normal 90's way. I was the 1st one to answer your poll, and I'll add another one. God is gifting you spiritual thoughts that turn into truth goosebumps.

What's happening now has always been happening since the inception of UK/US & others, state propaganda, but now, with tech, it's too hard to hide their exploits. Poor Iran, getting bullied by Israel; I can picture the pillar of thick black smoke, as new years day draws closer. These war developments will be answered with the usual smattering of unrest, then suddenly continents go dark ( Isaiah 13:11).

I meditate, have a float tank and it is the best get away for my mind, a reset. My night visions are vivid and directly connected to scripture, no man made doctrines or theories for me. Heaven's Gate can wait, Jim Jones can roll the bones.

S Spencer,

I don't see evidence supporting anyone other than the 144k firstfruits being of the first resurrection. The group in Revelation 5 that live as kings and priests, are the 144k. What the 144k do for a thousand years is symbolic ( Revelation 7:15) Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. The 144k are the church, they are the bride. They are Christ-like. They are the only group officially sealed. Revelation is peppered with them in 7 chapters, illustrated in allegory or metaphor to subtly let you know something is afoot.

I found a scripture that would bolster your belief ( Isaiah 13:15). It's for pre-tribbers, but don't tell them.

( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) Everything hinges on this description, then weighing out the billions of people who will attend. It could be that Paul, who's part of the elect 24, was describing his fellow saints rising. I understand your position, better to be a seventh trumpet riser, than the others. What other scripture supports your doctrine? I will spend some time researching this and other scriptures that lend clarity.

In summary, it all depends on how you interpret scripture, or if you're strongly committed to an ideology to alter. I have looked in the web at what others think about prophesy, scholars, and my interpretations all all to myself. I want God to grade my Bible IQ when we're face to face (2nd resurrection).

Bill M,

I noticed I placed the wrong chapter, it's ( Isaiah 13:5-8)

Obadiah 1:10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

This is the 1st time we hear claim of violence against Esau. In real life, the last time Esau and Jacob saw each was on the trail, and Jacob feared Esau would kill him for stealing the birthright, ( Genesis 33). Any previous mention of Gog/the beast anti-christ were glowing. God used Esau's "sanctified" beast army to defeat Jacob (Babylon); anti-christ's army are described as "even them that rejoice in my highness". Gog/beast are Christian's from a (frozen) desert ( Isaiah 21:1). The times God brags about His "northern army" are many.

He calls anti-christ's army, "His army", His "sanctified ones" and "His camp".

( Isaiah 13: 3-6) I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

( Joel 2:11) And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

What did Esau do to change God's mind into HATING him? Esau did God's will and destroyed Babylon, so what happened beyond that? What violence does anti-christ do to infuriate God?

You should just ask us to pray that you'll be enabled to believe, that if you opened the doors of your heart, you would be able to receive what Jesus did for you. That's the first hurdle. It gets lots better after that. Jesus is knocking...

Matthew 18:19-20

That if two of you shall AGREE on earth as touching any thing (or person) that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, THERE AM I, in the midst of them.

John 1:12

Yet to all who receive him, to those who BELiEVED in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.

1 Timothy 2:8

I will, therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

Matthew 7:7

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be OPENED to you.

No one helped me to be saved. No one invited me to go to their Church with them. They just regarded me as "too far gone" in sinful ways, to be reached.

Only my Grandmother sent me love letters about Jesus. Which I scorned at first and put in a drawer. After her death, I read them. That kind of love destroys the walls of hardness.

Despite how everyone treated me, I answered that knock on the day of my salvation. I gave Him all of my pain, and He gave me joy and peace.

Don't give up.

John the Baptist was a martyr but he stirred up Herod's hate, and Salome got her wish to have him served up on a plate,

I said yeah.

Could you stand the torture? And could you stand the pain? Could you put your faith in Jesus when you're burning in the flames? I said yeah.

You'll never make a saint of me, oh yeah.

Earl,

I agree with you in part, but your day of the Lord interpretation doesn't take into account our leaders can easily bring about WWIII, like they did I & 2. When you read about this attack, there are real people dying in a panic, wearing flames.

God tells us plain as day that He is coming for us, His Spirit is with our enemies to do His will.

Isaiah 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, EVEN THE LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

The forth kingdom described by Daniel in the later years, has 7 heads and 10 horns. Jesus Christ is the rock 'hewn without hands' that smashes the beast to rule all kingdoms:

Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

The scriptures below show strict millennial temple worship of the Lord from all nations visiting Jerusalem. They must be going to a temple, to pay respects to Jesus. Jesus Christ sits on Davids throne, otherwise why continue the unbroken lineage? Was it not written that Christ would sit on David's throne?

Zechariah 14:16-17

Psalm 86:9

Psalm 22:27

Revelation 15:4

I see a physical Jesus Christ, transformed and supernatural, coming back in time to stop the feuding beast army from completely blowing the earth up; worse than Isaiah 24.

Fox News Headline 6-10-21: Putin gushes with FLATTERY towards Trump

"Putin calls Trump an 'extraordinary talented individual, otherwise he would not have become U.S. President". Putin told NBC News in his first interview with a U.S. news network since 2018. "He is a colorful individual".

( Daniel 11:21) And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by FLATTERIES.

Putin is poised to put a flame on your face.

( Isaiah 13:7-8)

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their FACES shall be as FLAMES.

This is NOT a symbolic scripture, this will become as real as any war gets.

Hi Peter.

This is those who inhabitant the Earth after the Church is caught up to meet the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 5:4-9. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Isaiah 2:12. For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isaiah 13:9, ...11 (KJV) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy "THE SINNERS" thereof out of it....10...

11. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Joel 1:15. Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Ezekiel 38 Biblical Perspective

Ezekiel 38: 1-9

Part 1 of 4: Gog's sixth trumpet attack on Israel (house):

vs 3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

vs 4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company withbucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

( 2 Thessalonians 2:6) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

vs 7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

( Revelation 9:15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

vs 8 After many days....in the latter years thou shalt come...against the mountains of Israel (house), and they shall dwell safely all of them...

( Revelation 9:13) And the sixth angel sounded....

vs 9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

God is against Gog, yet Gog is finally brought forth in the latter days to do God's will against Israel, Babylon, and eventually every world government. The first "cloud to cover the land" is reported. Israel (house) is being attacked.

( Jeremiah 5:15) Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith the LORD: it is a mighty nation...

( Isaiah 13:5-6) They come from a far country...

( Joel 2:3-11) ...the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness...

( Isaiah 47) vs 9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood..

Ron,

I agree when satan's kicked out of heaven and that initiates the 6th trumpet, 2nd woe, day of the Lord. For reference, here are a few describing the same event from different angles: Isaiah 13, Isaiah 21:1-9, Isaiah 24, Isaiah 47, Ezekiel 21:1-24, Ezekiel 38:1-17, Joel 2:1-11, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Revelation 18. This battle is over in an hour.

Daniel 9:27 I see what you are saying about the language, the dualism. At this point, I need to examine other evidence surrounding this verse, compared to other scriptures to better pin point what is going on.

Right off the bat, it is well known that the day of the Lord sees Jesus coming like a thief with His northern army to lay the land desolate. God states that anti-Christ's army is His army, Joel 2: 10-11

Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north: Ezekiel 21:1-7 "MY sword will go out of HIS sheath".

Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, Isaiah 13: 6 This characteristic of the strike is synonymous with the man of sin, spoiler at noonday, anti-Christs.



God furbishes a sword and places it in the slayers (anti-Christ's) hand, Ezekiel 21:9-12 Russia has God-like weaponry, God has blessed Russia's scientists. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, Ezekiel 21:12

The 70 weeks is a classic Bible mystery. I will study it again. The way I explained it to you makes sense to me considering the 6th trumpet lasts 42 months. I have no strong convictions towards it, and would evolve my mind if I was presented a sound concept. As it stands, it is a side bar to my love of the Lord and His prophets.

I will be around to reprove.