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You are ready to learn about spiritual warfare, mentioned in Ephesians 6. Our enemies are invisible. But we know when they are around. They have fruits: fear, doubt, self-criticism, and more. They have personalities that give their names to you.

Learn what each piece of the Armor of God, does. We have to ingest into our born again spirit, scriptures that defeat their plans to discourage you. That's what Jesus did to Satan, when He was on the 40 day fast. He countered Satan's attack with the Word; with scriptures.

When He cast evil spirits out of people, we need to re-read all of those incidents. What did Jesus say? That's what we say too. We must know that we have authority to do it. Jesus imparted it to all of His disciples; His followers.

I find it easier to study scriptures in the Bible when it's quiet. We need to re-read the Gospels, Book of Acts__and see how it's done.

Isaiah 14:16-17 says that when we'll see Satan that we will see him as he really is.is this the man?! that made the earth to tremble. I'm not saying he's not hateful. He is. But Jesus defeated him. Stripped the authority from him__and gave it to BELIEVERS. Hallelujah!!

You have the authority; ask the Holy Spirit to give you the names of those evil spirits; you have the power to send them into outer darkness. IN THE NAME of Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus did not leave us to be troubled by those invisible evil spirits. Our Sword in the armor of God, is made bigger by filling ourselves on scripture.

Television and video games are not useful when your house gets invaded by evil spirits. I get attacked too. Anyone doing anything with Jesus, is a target. Fight back. Take authority over your home.

Ok I've had attacks by real gnarly ones. But they gotta leave when you fire some scriptures at them.

As Gods children, we can ask for angelic assist for a time. You will experience the peace return to you. I'm happy for you because truly God has his hand on your life.

There are no giants today! The dead in Isaiah 14:9 is the Rephaim the fallen that joined him and refused to be born of woman; the 7k already sentenced to die(Revelation11) because they refused to be born of women and take part in this age but instead left their 1st estate to seduce women just as Satan did starting with Eve..Nephilim-fallen ones; naphal=to fall = resulting in Giants- mix flesh women with fallen angels and the whole purpose of the flood of Noah for every flesh except Noah and his family were corrupted. Noah and his family were the only pure pedigree at time of flood. They are locked in chains in darkness awaiting judgement ( 2 Peter 2:4) where they can no longer intermix and will be loosed again for 5 months picking up where they left off as in the days of Noah giving and taking in marriage at the 6th trump. Their spirits can still entice and possess people as can Satan's but their true spirit bodies the Hebr. Ruach, the solid spirit can no longer traverse-de-facto, where they can seduce women and sire giants.

Hi Suze.

I believe I answered that question in my original post, And Brother Chris gave much detail.

So my answer again is No it's not the King of Babylon.

Isaiah 14:12.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,

"WHEN WAS THE KING OF BABYLON IN HEAVEN?

son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Here's Lucifer in the Hebrew.

This doesn't describe the King of Babylon.

Hebrew:

Transliteration: hyll

Pronunciation: hay-lale'

Definition: From H1984 (IN THE SENSE OF BRIGHTNESS); THE MORNING STAR: - lucifer.

KJV Usage: Lucifer(1x).

Sorry if that widely held view bothers you.

We will have to peacefully agree to disagree. I'm moving on.

God bless.

Hi.

Isaiah 14:13-14.

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH.

God bless.

Isaiah 14:12-17,Revelations 12:7-9, Ezekiel 28:13-19

Hopefully these verses are helpful : Luke 10:17-20, Isaiah 14:12-32, Daniel 10, through Daniel 11:1, Daniel 12, Jude 1:9, 2Corinthian 11:13-14, Revelation 12, compare books of Luke,

1Chronicles 21:27, Hebrews 1:1-14, please read whole chapter,

Hi Cathy,

the "I wills' of satan are in Isaiah 14:13,14. The other portion you mentioned is from Revelation 12:7!

Blessings!

Is this the verse you're thinking of

Revelation 12:7-9 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This is another verse that talks of Lucifer's fall, Isaiah 14:11-15

Psalms 23,

Rod: Exodus 4:17,

Job 9:34, Job 21:9, Psalms 2:9, Psalms 89:32, Psalms 125:3, Proverbs 10:13, Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:13,14, Proverbs 26:3,

Proverbs 29:15, Isaiah 9:4, Isaiah 10:5, Isaiah 10:15, Isaiah 10:26, Isaiah 11:1,4, Jeremiah 10:16, Revelation 12:25,

Staff: Genesis 32:10, Genesis 38:18, Exodus 12:17, Exodus 21:19, Leviticus 26:26, Numbers 13:23, Judges 6:21, 2Samuel 3:29, 2Samuel 23:7,21, 2Kings 4:29,31, 2Kings 18:21, Isaiah 3:1, Isaiah 14:5, Isaiah 28:27,

Hopefully these are helpful

I believe it was to clearly point out the fulfillment of Prophecy. Please see:

Son of David prophecy : 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, 2Chronicles 7:18, Psalms 132:11,

The coming promise of deliverance : Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 33:15, proclaimed: Matthew 22:24,43,44,45, Matthew 1:1,

Luke 18:38, some identified JESUS as by different names for significance to themselves, healer, deliverer

Son of GOD : Genesis 6:2,4, Daniel 3:25, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, Romans 8:14, Matthew 11:27,

Son of Man : prophecy : Daniel 7:13-14, Revelation 1, Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 30:1-4, Job 25:4-6, Job 35:8-16, Matthew 24:30, proclaimed : Mark 14:21, John 12, Matthew 11:19,

Additionally he was called the BRANCH : Job 14:7, Psalms 80:15, Isaiah 11:1, Isaiah 14:19, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, proclamed: John 15,

Also "shall be called Nazarene " Matthew 2:23,

Hopefully this is helpful

That already happened. If it had not...then why was Satan in the garden already when Adam and Eve were created? If Lucifer (who became Satan) had not been cast out, there likely would have been no curse of sin on Earth. But Lucifer was cast out and his angels. There are a few verses in the O.T. but these ones in Isaiah 14 paint a fairly clear picture:

Isaiah 14:12-15

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

Thanks Giannis.

In the past I've used that analogy of the puzzle pieces. The Gospel paints a picture starting from Genesis.

The problem often comes when one have a picture in mind and try to fit pieces of the puzzles together that don't belong so they have to reshape the surrounding pieces to there liking, usually by spritualizing all the pieces/scripture, or they take one piece of a puzzle/scripture that represents their picture and try to fit it in a 1000 piece puzzle that it doesn't belong to, so they reshape the 1000 pieces by spritualizing.

Here's an example.

Who's the writer referring to here?

"Therefore my people" are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.

Isaiah 5:13.

I've heard it taught that this was all of creation. ( A piece of puzzle that don't even fit the chapter or anywhere else in the 66 books. )

But if they would let the scripture say what it is saying you would find the answer throughout the chapter, especially verse 7.

"For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry"

Isaiah 5:7.

Here's just a few of many other puzzle pieces.

Exodus 3:10.

Exodus 5:1.

Exodus 8:23.

Leviticus 26:12.

1 Samuel 2:28-29.

1 Kings 6:12-13.

Isaiah 1:3.

Isaiah 10:24.

Isaiah 14:25.

Jeremiah 1:16.

Jeremiah 2:11.

Ezekiel 11:20.

Ect...

There's hundreds that reference Isaiah 5:13. to Israel!!

And Hosea 2:23 suggests God's not done with them. Also Romans 11:1.

God is in the generation of the righteous. Psalms 14:5.

We become his people by seeking him, not everyone will do this.

Zachariah gives a distinction between between the heathen nations and God's people. Zachariah 8:7.

Another distinction.

Mathew 7:21-23. You can't be his people and he not know you.

Heresies are built this way.

God bless.

Just to give a Scripture to the accurate definition that GiGi gave you. You can read this Name in Isaiah 14:13,14: "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (el): I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High (ely-own)". He is indeed "the most High God", otherwise translated, 'the strongest Strong One'.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. -- notice it says branch in me.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. --- This is Jesus its not my opinion (fire)

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art (converted), strengthen thy brethren.--- Peter you must not cut off people ear --

John 18:36 if my kingdom were of this world my servants would fight

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

We make mistakes, but a Christian stops lying, steeling, killing, adultery, + the other commandments

Free,

You must have the ability the put the end times in perspective by trumpets, or you will be contextually confused. It's not hard to do. Focus on the last 3 trumpets that are for our generation, as this generation will not pass before the fulfillment. The 4 previous trumpets were WWI, WWII, Korea & Vietnam, and are past.

5th trumpet = 9-11-01 "war on terror" was Revelation 9:1-11 The scripture and date look almost identical, they are identifiable and by no mistake. Our esoterical owners picked that date for a reason, because it fits prophesy. Look at vs 4:

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

The US army, like locust, swarmed the ME to kill Muslims (no seal in foreheads) and didn't hurt green things (no green things in desert).

*THIS IS WHERE WE ARE PROPHETICALLY, WAITING ON THE 6TH SEAL* = Rev 6:14 attack/scroll, then Rev 6:12 earthquake kicks off the day of the Lord, vs 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

6th Trumpet = the day of the Lord attack on Mystery Babylon and the Babylon System. This begins anti-Christs rule of 42 months rule.

The attack is so powerful that it knocks the earth off its axis, Isaiah 24:20. The earth is ruined from the beast destroying Babylon, 900 US bases worldwide. As a result, the moon and stars won't give their light 1/3rd the day. The Russian beast and China false prophet will bitterly fight each other with their "flying fiery serpent" (nuclear devices), Isaiah 14:29.

7th trumpet = This beast infighting will cause Jesus Messiah to return to earth to stop the fragmented beast army from completely destroying the earth. So, Jesus has a definite reason for intervening, and defeating all armies. This begins the 1,000 year reign of transfigured Christ, having a new name that only He knows.

Yes, it is America. America turned it's back on God long ago and decided to go it alone. America is synonymous with Mystery Babylon Rev 17 and will receive the curse of Sodom and Gomorrah at the day of the Lord. No other nation on earth is as decadent or corrupt as America.

America and America's vassals, NATO, Japan, S. Korea, Israel, represent the 'Babylon system' in which they operate in. They all get taken down to hell at the 6th trumpet, 2nd woe.

Isaiah 14:5-9

5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Who else could America possibly be to think they will sit a queen forever, and never experience widowhood or the loss of children? For in one day both shall come, and no on will save them. Isaiah 47.

Russia is poised to levy the greatest attack in the history of the world. Deny the Russian beast security, and nobody will have security, you will have baldness and clean teeth. Perpetual war, and then it comes, and all hearts will melt, etc.

Hey Love of Jesus

Satan is a created being, what does he look like? Isaiah 14:12-15 morning star, translated Lucifer, the morning star/day star is the planet, Venus, it is brightest just before sunrise, 2 Corinthians 11:14 an angel of light, 1 Peter 5:8 a roaring lion, Revelation 12:3 great red dragon seven heads ten horns and seven crowns. There are many descriptions of Satan, but he is a master of disguise.

The horrific almost cartoonish description of Satan comes from the Middle Ages. If the understanding it is covering Satan, Ezekiel 28:14 says Satan was a covering cherub. There are seraphim we see in Isaiah 6:1-6 and in Revelation 4:6-9 called beasts, and cherubim, is in the bible more times, seraphim six wings, cherubim four wings. The biblical descriptions, I believe if we came face to face with, we would faint from fear.

Satan is not omnipresent; he can only be in one place at a time. There are evil spirits and evil angels he controls on this earth, we see in Daniel, battles that we cannot see, Daniel 10. The devil and his evil spirits can affect our life, and it can be vicious, Ephesians 6:12 but we far too often use that to excuse our own bad choices (the devil made me do it). Galatians 5:17

We also have been told, James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

God bless,

RLW

3 verses for the daughter of Babylon:

Isaiah 33:1

Isaiah 24:16

Isaiah 14:7

Hi Roman.

I believe Isaiah 14:16-17. is speaking of Satan/Lucifer.

Isaiah 14:12-17.

God bless.

Does anyone else feel that Russia will be pivotal in the last days?

Ezekiel 38:3-4 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Daniel 8:7 pops up, and God says "I will bring thee forth, and all thine army...." No more holding them back. This is happening right now, before us.

Putin at Yearly address March 1, 2018: "They have not succeeded in holding Russia back," said Putin, referring to the West, which he said had ignored Moscow in the past, but would now have to sit up and listen. "Now they need to take account of a new reality and understand that everything I have said today is not a bluff." [Hypersonic Arsenal]

'Is this the man that made the world a wilderness, destroyed cities'? Isaiah 14:16-17

Chris,

I'm speaking of a specific point in time because I know it like a road map. Your context is off, timing of events is causing you to conflate the narrative.

I've studies for decades. I understand scripture all too well, details.

When you know Biblical history like a text book, but can't see duplicity, or ritual, your not seeing the complete picture. You don't move in the spirit of prophesy.

I still have no idea what you proclaim as a Christian, how you could have no idea of the prophets, and have such a strong opinion. You didn't say a word about your beliefs that struck me. Tell me your Christian view of the world to come from today forward.

You should know the end-time trumpets 5-6-7 and the order of events. Anything else cones from your imagination.

Yes, when time is up God reestablishes Israel with the saints. Isaiah 14:2 Can you tell me what trumpet this happens at?

Chris & GiGi,

You are missing the point of the narrative, the sixth trumpet, the day of the lord, judgment day when both houses of Israel experience Jacobs time of trouble. Spend some time with Isaiah 47, see how America is described, told to sit in the dirt, in darkness.

You said Israel will be "preserved". Israel will be invaded and taken into a third captivity at the day of the lord ( Luke 21:20-24). America will be nowhere to be found to save Israel, they received their part in the abomination of desolation in the same hour, spoken of by Daniel. Antichrist rules all strong holds for 42 months, at which time Christ returns to take the kingdom. It is at this point and only at this point that Israel is reestablished, Isaiah 14:2, with the resurrected saints, and only the saints.

Behold, I come quickly; blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. Revelation 22:7

Jesus Christ himself placed the benchmark high according to the prophets, and not about what's convenient for man. Uncomfortable truths here are discouraged from uncovering. Did Ham's son bear the curse God dealt out or not? If you can't face the small facts, how are you gonna handle the day of the Lord when it takes you by surprise, simply because you never understood what it was. The trumpets you ignore. That's a shame, but then the Lord says when His people are attacked, Ezekiel 21:12, they will not know from where it came from, as if they're too caught up in their own Gospel to know the difference.

Do you wonder why the USSR fell in 1991 of a deadly wound, and up popped up a new country, a new government, called The Russian Federation? Daniel 7:8 Russia is the little horn, more stout than his fellows Daniel 7:20 Russia is run by a president who refers to his nuclear arsenal as a "fiery serpent" Isaiah 14:29.

You people literally have no idea what's about to go down while this is what I carry around every day:

And it shall be when they say unto thee,Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shall answer for the tidings because it come as an every heart shall melt and all hands shall be civil and every spirit shall faint and all knees shall be weak as water behold it, and it shall be brought to pass saith the Lord God. Ezekiel 21:7

Ezekiel and the rest of the prophets see what I see coming and there's no denying it. If you have the least bit inclination as to what I'm talking about you may as well get your house in order now.

In this chapter; we have one of two infamous commentaries with a detailed description of Lucifer (see verse 12 for specific reference). The other passage in Ezekiel 28 gets into further detail of the "anointed cherub" and his downfall to what is now Satan. There once again; as in so many other prophetic passages in scripture a statement about a human emissary of evil (here no doubt the Antichrist or the "King of Babylon" as quoted in verse 4). He is also referenced as "the Assyrian" in verse 25. No doubt certain previous fulfillments from verse 28 to the end of the chapter with Palestina were fulfilled when King Ahaz died; but the current Palestinians also will face future judgment as earlier passages in Isaiah and elsewhere indicate.

The time element as to the destruction of Antichrist and the False Prophet who will go to judgment in verses 16 to 27 clearly comes before the casting of Satan himself to hell where the "Beast and False Prophet are" at the end of the millennium as stated in Revelation 20:10.

That section would be in verses 12 through 15 in this chapter as a cross reference. The actual brutal world dictatorship mentioned in verse 6 is followed by those in hell in verse 9. The kings of the nations could be also indicate the many nations in Ezekiel who are observing the same thing from the Kingdoms of earth in hell in Ezekiel 32. Those kings of the earth who are imprisoned could also be referred to here in hades awaiting final judgment in Isaiah 24:22. In any case; those who are part of his system will no longer build cities (verse 21); and Revelation discusses all the cities and towers falling. In the mountains of Israel the "Assyrian" will be put to an end (verse 25 and 26); and the living as well as the dead will know it. The section mentioned in verse 12 through 15 shows the original sin of pride and self worship that led to Lucifer's downfall; the end result being judgment after losing his place in heaven; heavenly realms; then the earth

Hi GiGi.

Excuse my corny humor! No we don't go looking for Cherubim to locate the Garden of Eve.

I agree, we just don't know.

However I don't believe where the scripture says he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, TO KEEP THE "WAY" OF THE TREE OF LIFE. Means God set up a road block of some sort.

It means he set gaurd to keep the way open. My sarcasm was it don't take 2 Cherubim to keep little old me out. Angels are known to be mighty.

And as for Adam and Eve and the garden being here on earth, I've never heard it any other way, I believe the scripture plainly states that.

We also have no scripture on what the earth was like before Adam and Eve sinned.

We do know Adam was "placed" in the garden to dress it. Genesis 2:15. "And the LORD God TOOK THE MAN, AND "PUT" HIM INTO THE GARDEN of Eden to dress it and to keep it". Genesis 2:15

And we do know he drove him out to go back to where he was created to till the ground. Genesis 3:23.

And there they populated the Earth.

Here's another provocative view I have heard.

Here in Ezekiel 28:13-14. If the Garden of God and the Garden of Eve is one of the same this is not the view of Satan we have in Genesis!

In Ezekiel he haven't fallen yet, "If" the Garden of Eve and the Garden of God is one of the same when did Satan have his career in it?

Also see Isaiah 14:12-14.

Would this fit into the Gap theory?

This is not a rhetorical question.

You and I admit we don't know, We only have "our" Perspective. Perhaps someone can help us.

God bless.

Glenn. I caution you. Satan is not human. He has to borrow a body. Ephesians 6 Satan, demons, principalities, powers, evil spirits: none have bodies. In the Old Testament they were called inhabitants. Satan took the body of a serpent.

Glued gemstones all over him. You can Google lists of evil spirits names. It's gross.

God was not walking in the garden with invisible spirits.

Secondly, all the giants and evil spirits DROWNED after the flood.

Jesus told demons to get out of the crazy man and go into some pigs__which promptly DROWNED. They wander around looking for people who are drunk, drugged, immoral, etc. to get inside them. They don't mind if we read the Bible or go to church.

They just don't want you to belive it, and live it.

Eve stepped away from her husbands apathy. The serpent was all sparkly with jewels; Adam didn't flinch. She ate the fruit and Adam ate it because he loved Eve more than God. BAM! the 2 Trees were protected and the first HUMANS were driven out. Gods plan of redemption was already in force. A human would die willingly, to pay for the sins of all mankind. Gen. 3:15. When Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own son, for the sins of future Israel; the plan went forward to Luke 1. God became the Son of Man: HUMAN. Jesus would have dominion, power and authority. Satan would be stripped at the Cross. Jesus took satans keys to the prison of death, hell and the grave. He crushed satans neck with his foot.

Isaiah 14:24

You should just give up this Old Earth Cult and be born again from Jesus. Follow Him. He will give you the Holy Spirit forever: to be your Teacher and Revealer of scripture in the KJV Bible. Ask Him to wipe your hard drive (brain) and Help you to win souls to God. Wise he is, who wins souls to God. Holy Spirit just said to tell you read in Timothy.

Good night.

Jim This where things get interesting because look at the context of describing lucifer Isaiah 14:12-17 specifically verse 13 [I will exalt my above the stars of God also I will ascend very lofty terminology. In Ezekiel 28:11-18 esp. verse 13

thou Hast been in Eden the garden of God look at the rest of the verses. verse 15 thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created until iniquity was found in thee. There are times also when there figures of speech used in descriptions like verse 12 King of Tyrus Same guy.

Eljer777,

There are writings outside the Bible, these two are mentioned in the Bible, the book of Enoch, Jude 1:14, the book of Jasher, Joshua 10:11 2 Samuel 1:18 but are they the original books, and there are the writings of Josephus.

Scripture does tell us Satan entered Judas, John 13:27, we see in Matthew 12:26 Jesus said, if Satan cast out Satan, suggests he could possess someone, but Mark writes the same conversation, he writes Jesus is speaking in parables, Mark 3:23.

In Daniel 8 not covering Media and Persia, Alexander the Great, and the four it is Antiochus went plundering to place himself above all including God, Isaiah 14:13 is a good description of his intent. He almost destroyed Jerusalem and the worship of God by Israel and placed the abomination in the temple, but he failed. Host of heaven in Paganism are the sun, moon, stars, and planets that is worshiped, but this is not about angels.

Demons and angels are not the same but if you are looking for scripture it is not in the Bible we have. Fallen angels are not in scripture just a definition that has been given the bad ones. Some angels left their first estate and are locked in chains of darkness (bottomless pit), 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6. They have a king, his name in Hebrew Abaddon, Greek Apollyon Revelation 9:1, the hell you speak of, in my understanding comes from Platonism and not scripture.

Revelation 12 that many places in the past but it is yet in the future, the battle is in heaven, so these angels still have access to heaven. When Satan and these angels are cast down to earth will be permanent because it says no more place is found in heaven, Revelation 12:8-12, my understanding this starts the 3.5 years of tribulation when Satan gives his seat, power, and authority to the beast.

There are evil beings on this earth 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 Ephesians 6:12, but how they got here is not in scripture.

Just a little information, may it not add to your questions.

God bless,

RLW

Peter was speaking as a man. What he said was of concern and feelings of loss. He just wasn't thinking. None of us would want to witness Jesus abused and crucified.

But what he spoke was a huge temptation for Jesus. It is HARD to die for mankind before the Cross and after the Cross.

I'm weak and human. I would've cried rather than rejoiced that Jesus was going to destroy the Devils stolen power, FOREVER. It's just part of humanity we deal with every day.

I kick myself in the head when I see people merrily on the way to hell without a care.

If The Lord had not allowed me to see hell, as in Isaiah 14:11. I saw twisted limbs like roots, and the worms moving. I heard many screaming voices. I fell off the chair I was standing on__I thought, into that scene!! When I hit the floor, it was gone. I was delivered from demons by the Lord. When I woke up the next morning, the Holy Spirit was in me. He helped me clean my home of all occult material.

I had to convince my drunken disco buddies I no longer would be going with them. I lost ALL of my friends, for Jesus.

It's true. If you don't seriously start garnishing your "house" (your inner man, your new spirit that is alive to God now) WITH THE SCRIPTURES OF LIFE, the demons will come back to torment you. I went through more deliverance by the Holy Spirit.

We cannot put ANY KIND OF SPIN on the scriptures. If HE cannot trust us to carry the Anointing with reverence, it will be diminished (in my experience).There is no worse feeling of silence and aloneness. You know, that you know, what's missing. It is the Holy Spirit. He is worth more than anything we once thought precious. I had to get honest, real honest, that I could not manage really personal relationships and my new life in evangelism. I let it go and embraced celibacy. It was the right thing. Don't ever risk the loss of the Anointing. Don't allow antichrist spirits to tempt you over scripture. The rewards are awesome. Greater is He

Mishael

Hi Cheryl Sorry Scripture reference Ezekiel 28: King of Tyrus figure of speech for lucifer veres 1-17, also

Isaiah 14:12-16.