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  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Vincent.

    You quoted

    "Four hundred years in Egypt as owners, paid back by four hundred years of slavery under the house of Israel (UK/US) Isaiah 14:2 The curse of Cannan is representative of certain Africans."

    Well to begin with Isaiah 14:2 have not been fulfilled yet,

    Look at verse 3: And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

    Do Israel have the rest and live without fear over there as promised in Isaiah 14:3.?

    The question is was man delivered from the curse of Adams transgression after the flood? I think not, If so we wouldn't have the account in Genesis 9:25-27. Nor would we have the account of Noah drunken with wine.

    that you wrongfully ascribe to a people of today we know as black people.

    All 8 souls on the Ark were under Adam's transgression "apart from Gods Atonement,' Genesis 6:14. The word pitched used here is "Atonement"

    Apart from God's grace we're all Lost and unrighteous and there is no partiality with God.

    Genesis 6:8-9. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

    These are the generations of Noah: (Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,) and Noah walked with God.

    We know Noah was just/Justified. In which you can only be by faith! They had faith in their sacrifice and offerings which we know they submitted to the Lord as we see as early as Genesis 4:4.

    This is a carnal insert to a Christian forum; we should covet the new birth in the spirit and not rank in our old nature "The flesh.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Isaiah 14:28-32 is a separate prophecy, which includes the verse you enquired of. To understand it, a little background first.

    This prophecy was given to comfort Judah. It wasn't a message to Palestina (i.e. Philistia) but to assure Judah that they would be in no danger from Philistine invasion under the reign of the successor of Ahaz (i.e. Hezekiah) & that God would more greatly overthrow them than had previously occurred to them.

    It's possible that at the death of Ahaz & with the prospect of a change in the government on the accession of Hezekiah, the Philistines, the natural enemies of Judah, had contemplated launching a fresh invasion on Judah. The Philistines had been subdued in the time of Azariah ( 2 Kings 15:1-7); Azariah broke down the wall of Gath, and the wall of Gabneh, and the wall of Ashdod, and effectually subdued and humbled them ( 2 Chronicles 26:6). Then in the time of Ahaz & while Ahaz was engaged in matters with Syria and Ephraim, the Philistines took advantage of the sad state of Judah, and made a successful war on her, and took several of the towns ( 2 Chronicles 28:18); & at his death they hoped to be able to resist Judah more easily since the reign of Hezekiah would be mild, peaceable, and unwarlike. Therefore Isaiah, in this prophecy, gives a warning about Philistia, that they not entertain such incorrect expectations that Judah would be overcome by them, rather gives assurance that Hezekiah's reign would be as disastrous to them as had been the reign of his predecessors.

    So verses 29 to 31 depict the horrors that would come upon Philistia; verse 29: the words, 'serpent, serpent's root, cockatrice', are depictions of the previous kings of Judah (Kings Uzziah, Ahaz, & Hezekiah) which, through Hezekiah, would ultimately bring down Philistia ( 2 Kings 18:8).
  • Verses i can't understand - 3 years ago
    could some one explain Isaiah 14:29
  • Cowboy - In Reply on Psalms 82 - 3 years ago
    Dorothea

    Lucifer was thrown out of heaven because he wanted to be God. Lucifer was God's right hand angel until he thought he could be God. Here are some of the verses that show where Lucifer was cast out of Heaven and on to the Earth where he (Lucifer) set up his kingdom.

    Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

    17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

    And in Luke chapter 10 verse 18 Jesus said I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. ( Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven). Lucifer is Satan and Lucifer / Satan is the prince of this world. Jesus never called Satan the King of this world Jesus just called Satan / Lucifer a prince of this world.

    I hope this helps you understand

    God Bless

    Stay prayed up and ready to go up

    Cowboy
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 3 years ago
    Dgjot, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Try to understand that you ARE NOT separate and apart from God, but ONE, you do not exist apart from God.

    NOW:

    Philippians 2: 13 For it is God (the spirit of LIFE and TRUTH IN YOU) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL AND TO DO his good pleasure.

    He is the ONLY LIFE and he is working to make you that LIFE ALSO. He want FAIL.

    Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also have obtained an INHERITANCE, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who worketh all things after the council of HIS WILL.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he foreknow, he also predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, so that he might be the first borne among many brethren.

    Isaiah 14:24 ....Surely as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, an as I have purposed, so shall it stand.
  • Mishael - 3 years ago
    In Isaiah 14:13-14,

    How many times did Lucifer (Satan) say,

    "I WILL"?

    Satan knows the Bible better than we do. Yet he still believes He will beat Jesus at Armageddon.
  • Chris - In Reply on Job 1 - 3 years ago
    Hello Prasanth. The question you ask is a valid one & because the Scriptures are not entirely clear on all the events pertaining to Satan's origin & despatch, we can only formulate an opinion based on what the Scriptures do reveal. Therefore, we can get many opinions on this, even yours could be valid. So, as you've asked the question, let me give you my understanding using a timeline.

    a. When God created all things in Heaven (He Himself being un-created), all heavenly beings, etc. were created in eternity past. This was before the creation of the worlds, of man & of other things for the Earth. In Heaven, God created beings such as cherubs, seraphs, beasts, etc., which all had a particular function before God & which constantly worshipped Him ( Ezekiel 10:1-22; Isaiah 6:1-8).

    b. One cherub, which was "perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" ( Ezekiel 28:15), is reference to the one the Bible calls, Lucifer ( Isaiah 14:12). Although, the Ezekiel reference is directly to the King of Tyrus, the wording suggests that the spirit within the king is being addressed & described. Lucifer desired to sit in God's place ( Isaiah 14:12-14), therefore he was cast out of Heaven onto the Earth.

    c. And Lucifer, also called Satan (in Book of Job), was there in readiness to deform God's perfect creation (man & woman) in the Garden of Eden, that they too might become like him, filled with evil & opposing God & all that is righteous & holy ( Genesis 3:1-19).

    d. Though Satan was cast to the Earth, he still has access to Heaven, even as he presented himself to God with the other angels ( Job 1:6,7) to accuse Job (even as he does us: Revelation 12:10). Satan is not chained or confined to Hell now - he roams freely to deceive the nations ( Revelation 20:3) & will make his final thrust through the coming Anti-Christ, the personification of Satan, just as King Tyrus was. But he will one day be locked up for good ( Revelation 20:7-10).
  • Mishael - In Reply on Genesis 6:2 - 3 years ago
    Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Isaiah 14:12-15 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    Ezekiel 28:14 - Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:15 - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    Ezekiel 28:16 - By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

    Luke 10:18 - And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

    Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    John 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of DEATH, that is, the devil;

    LEGALLY, because Jesus (2nd Adam) WON back the Authority FROM SATAN that First Adam lost in the Garden of Eden.

    Jesus, by the Holy Spirit, was conceived becoming the SON OF MAN. All God, all HUMAN.

    Satan and Demons are NOT HUMAN. They borrow bodies: dogs, frogs and witches who lend their bodies.

    CAREFULLY READ EPHESIANS 6
  • Jubra Shoebat on Isaiah 14 - 3 years ago
    chapter 13 and 14 are (by design and foreknowledge) narratives of what has been happening in the US for many decades and what is about to come upon the luciferian cabul that released the pandemic, locked the nations down, silenced and handcuffed the church, and looted the nation through the manipulation of the crises they created.

    In 2022 look for NUREMBERG like military tribunals.

    And that president #45that all you mainline-denominational-world-aligned religious' leaders hate -

    yes, that president #45, is the modern day CYRUS of ch 45 and he will be back in charge before 2024 to complete the draining of the swamp.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Deuteronomy 28 - 3 years ago
    Roy!

    My understanding is we were all under that Adamic curse.

    The scripture doesn't label people by color as we do today, Isaiah 14:2 speaks of future that Has Not been fulfilled yet!!

    You let this guy uncover you!

    I think he's wrong in is beliefs and so are you!!
  • Roy - In Reply on Deuteronomy 28 - 3 years ago
    Are you saying that Jesus was black? Ham was the father of blacks, and was not Semitic. That is the curse blacks bear, not something bestowed upon Israelites.

    For one thing, when Jesus comes back he will be transfigured Jesus, full of brightness, neither white nor black. If He returned as He was in life, He'd look the same as the Arabs, His cousins.

    I have soundly refuted such claims through scripture as opportunistic taint. It appears similar in text, but it's not prophesy for blacks as they have their own Ham/Cannan curse. Isaiah 14:2 sees the house of Israel (US/UK) holding blacks slaves as they once held Israel captive 400 years in Egypt.

    Blacks carry the curse of Ham (was the father of black people)/Cannan. Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    Solomon wrote about an Ethiopian queen, which is poorly misrepresented as something it's not.

    If all you have is Deuteronomy 28, and famous black people saying they are Jews for popular reasons, that will not fly. It stands that you can take scripture and twist it to your liking, and believe a falsehood.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    Hi Loretta.

    You are correct, God knows all things. He even knew Satan would fall and deceive man.

    Knowing this you know about as much as everybody. So with that being said I will give you my answer which would sound a lot like sister Dianne's and brother Earls, but I will say it in three word! I DONT KNOW. There is nothing given in scripture on this matter.

    Another question is could creating Lucifer the way he did and knowing he would fall be a part of Gods redemption plan? Who knows?

    Another question and this one might a little easier to answer, If God never created Satan and would have just created Satan would man have turned out rebellious and evil? Perhaps so. We know during the millennium Satan will be chained a thousand years and man will be under the reign of Christ and there will still be death and sin. After the Devil is loosed again he will deceive the nations again. With that being said, why did God create a rebellious man?

    Now we come to part of Brother Earl's answer.

    Romans 9:20-23. Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

    Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

    What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    "Perhaps this can apply to Lucifer as well."

    Here's a side note on Satan. He was created perfect. Ezekiel 28:15.

    He fell because of pride. Ezekiel 28:17. and this caused him to want to be like the most high! Isaiah 14:12-14.

    He was created perfect and by this he wanted to be worshiped.

    Is not that what he ask the Lord Jesus to do in Mathew 4:9. This is also one of mans biggest problems as well, desiring praise and glory for ourselves.

    God bless.
  • FALSE RELIGIONDOCTRINE OF DEMONS - In Reply on Joel 2 - 3 years ago
    In order to truly see God, you have to stay in NOTHING else but the Bible; the Word of God. Jesus said, I and My Father are One and the same. The Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of Christ.

    As one who was delivered from evil I had done; That Person died. I woke up a brand new child of the Living God. The old person passed away. I put my life into Gods hands. I Choose to Follow Jesus and the Bible every day.

    IT TOOK ME AN ENTIRE DAY TO RID MY HOME OF ALL OCCULT MATERIAL. Worth thousands of dollars and I burned all of it. I stirred it and made sure it was destroyed. I dedicated the act to God. "I do this for You. I worship You. I choose You, to be my Father." Acts 19:19. The Holy Spirit undertook my babyhood in Jesus. He has been my only TEACHER. My Comforter. My Beloved.

    You cannot STRADDLE THE FENCE, between loving Jesus, and loving the World. To even read books of things that were mentioned in this comment room today; is an ABOMINATION.

    You must CHOOSE today whom you will serve. You cannot have Both. Do you want to see God? Read Isaiah 6: 1-9

    I will not read mans writings of satan and his numerous lies, deceptions, false religions, books people wrote in order to enrich their bank accounts. Book of Enoch is NOT in the Bible!

    If you want to know about Satan and his demons, principalities and powers: memorize Isaiah 14. Count how many times Satan boasts, I WILL...

    What does Satan look like? Isaiah 14:11

    He will steal and pollute your mind, seduce you with lies. Before you know your house will be covered in occult books (which are inhabited by demons)..and the Bible will be covered in Dust.

    There is no glory in being an expert on demonology. In cursing innocent children's walk with God; You fall from heaven like Lucifer did. There was no ceremony. Michael the archangel hurled Satan to the earth like a sack of potatoes; and the demons followed in like manner.

    Buy this: JESUS WINS THE BATTLE.

    Revelation 22:12-16

    Mishael
  • THE WORD IN YOUR MOUTH IS TWO-EDGED - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I am not bragging! When I say that for 30 years Satan and his goons (demons) have tried to frighten and kill me. I got mad and read everything available to fight back. Actually I found the answer in the Bible. It's when Jesus was on that 40 day fast. EVERY TIME SATAN TEMPTED JESUS, Jesus returned that assault WITH THE RIGHT SCRIPTURE. He defeated Satan on every assault. He didn't get upset, scream or call out the angels. He SPOKE THE WORD OF GOD.

    That told me right there, I needed to load up on scriptures that would answer and defeat every demonic attack. If our loved ones get sick or any other reason, our ARSENAL OF SCRIPTURE will defeat the Enemy.

    We need to be 100% convinced that what comes out of our mouth is STRONG ENOUGH to defeat Satan. Satan thinks we are brain damaged and that he can use the same weapons every time and that it will work again. He needs to get hit with the WORD OF GOD IN OUR HEARTS AND MOUTH.

    "He sent His Word and healed them". There is NO condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST JESUS." Satan tries to convince us that we are dirty with sin, but we are covered in the Holy Blood of Jesus! Isaiah 1:18; 43:25. In Jesus, we are not guilty.

    The SEARCH ENGINE on this website will find numerous scriptures on just the word, HEAL, HEALED, DELIVERED. All we have to do is memorize that verse and add it to our arsenal for Prayer, Intercession, watchtower duties, standing in the gap, building up hedges of protection.

    Jesus Provides us WITH HIS PERSONAL ARMOR. Ephesians 6. Just like David and Jonathan did; they swapped armor in their covenant. Jesus took our weaknesses, sin, plastic swords and GAVE US HIS ARMOR. I'd rather go into spiritual warfare with His armor any day. Isaiah 26:3

    In Isaiah 14:11, 16-17 when people see Satan they're going to see short, covered in worms and say, " is this the man (he was created by God) that made the earth to tremble, the world a wilderness?

    Fight back like Jesus did, with THE WORD IN YOU.
  • Tim on Isaiah 14 - 3 years ago
    Dr. David Ward. Respectfully sir, It doesn't not matter how many degrees you have. The word of God is discerned by the Holy Spirit giving you wisdom as you are reading the word of God. Hell is a real literal place. For Example. Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

    20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

    21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

    22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

    23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

    24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    This is not a parable. Hell is a literal place of torment.

    Revelation 20

    12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
  • Misplaced Loyalty - In Reply - 3 years ago
    The Bible only speaks of resurrected bodies. I've seen nothing about our will being changed.

    The Christian's born again free will, should be...as Jesus said: to do the will of my Father.

    Satans Boast: Observe how many times Lucifer aka Satan, says I WILL five times! He has a huge rebellion problem, desiring to be higher than God. Number 1, he is a created being. He creates chaos and destruction, but he cannot create man or anything else. Evil has damaged his brain.

    He will be in hell, covered in worms; later to the Lake of Fire; never to get out again.

    Isaiah 14:12

    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13

    For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ascend into heaven, I WILL exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14

    I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the most High.

    15

    Yet thou (Satan) shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    16

    They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man (Satan) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms?

    This war in Heaven is told in Revelation 12. Start at verse 7-9. He was in charge of worship, and began to covet it for himself. He rebelled and deceived 1/3 of angels. Michael picks him up and hurls Lucifer to earth, with his demons.

    Here's some testimony. For 3 years after I was saved, I was attacked viciously and often by invisible beings. Eyes Held down, couldn't speak or move. My spirit was screaming the blood of Jesus tho. One time my bed was raised off the floor 3' with me in it; again restrained. I plead the Blood. They almost broke my neck but an angel threw it in the yard outside and I heard loud body blows.

    They just want to destroy us. Stop thinking Satan has been treated unfairly. Rather, see him covered in worms. I do.
  • Thomas Wanderlay - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Bill M,

    The other "they" from a far away land, will place a bruise on "evil" Mystery Babylon and this Holy mountain will turn to stubble.

    ( Isaiah 14:5-8)

    5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

    7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

    8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

    This is what I like to talk about, the events that bring us closer to the Lord, the events that won't be put off. Whoever that vile Mystery Babylon is, know that the US military will make quick work off them, cause we're exceptional, and God's on our side. Go God go!
  • Richard Estrada - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Earl Bowman,

    " Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tarsus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart (prince of Tarsus) is lifted up, and thine (prince of Tarsus) heart is lifted up, an thou hast said, I am a God, and I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet that art a MAN, and not God, though thou (prince of Tarsus) Set thine heart AS THE heart of God.

    ALL MEN have the same problem; they want to EXALT THEMSELVES ABOVE GOD.

    ALL MEN START OUT AS (children of) SATAN."

    Ezekiel 28:2 overshadows ( Isaiah 14:12-14) & ( 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

    I like how the prophets intertwine and repeat messages; you will rarely see an error in their texts. The prophets are woefully underrated by the people, as the NT is their book of choice.
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 3 years ago
    DIANNE



    You made a wise comment about Lucifer in the Garden of Eden ( Isaiah 14:v.12-15) and according Ez.28:12 to 17.

    Yes, you are right, the serpent description is a figure of speech for how sly he operates. I agree. You are correct.

    Yes, Eve and Adam, or the Man and the Woman, both were in the garden of Eden. Surely, as you said, "Would Eve be so stupid to converse with a hideous beast or snake, not buying it." In fact was a Man, a Cherub, by analogy, a Man like the two angels which GOD sent to Sodoma and Gomorrah, never, but never, like a snake.

    God bless
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Chris.

    I believe the scripture actually says I will be ( LIKE ) the most high. here's scripture:

    Isaiah 14:12-14. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH."

    Ezekiel 28:15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    We often quote it as Satan wanted to be God or dethrone God. But there is a significant difference here that may be applicable for us today.

    You see God shares his glory with NO creative being.

    "" Isaiah 42:8. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.""

    "" Jeremiah 9:23. Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:""

    2 Corinthians 10:17. But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

    Considering Satans fall -

    Here I believe we also should examine ourselves to see what's behind our Motives.

    God bless.
  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Sacha,

    Sweet Sweet Sacha,

    Perhaps you see a reflection of yourself in what I am not.

    Now i will take you deeper when prophets were taken in the spirit, and saw.

    Will my Revelation 6:13-14 vision hold true, got a better one? Then you'll be obligated to listen to old Hurty. I can warn you of Revelation 6:12 earthquake, Revelation 18:6 (if it takes 4.5 bombs to destroy Mystery Babylon, the beast will use 9).

    You read Isaiah, he describes Mystery Babylon America being overtaken: It's not too hard to see from descriptions who the rogue nation is from the iron and clay. What end-time nation continually causes war? The Arab world will celebrate at their fall. A whole new world is on the way, one that doesn't include America.

    ( Isaiah 14:6-8)

    6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

    7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

    8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

    What will Briton do when they see America (Mystery Babylon) smoking from afar at the day of the Lord? In darkness, you will clothe yourselves in trembling.

    ( Ezekiel 26:16-18)

    16 Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay away their robes, and put off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling; they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble at every moment, and be astonished at thee.

    17 And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!

    18 Now shall the isles tremble in the day of thy fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be troubled at thy departure.
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 3 years ago
    MISHAEL

    GOD did not create TIME in Genesis 1, or around 6.000 years ago, no, absolutely no.

    What prevails is the Word of GOD, do you agree? The WORD is GOD.

    Proverbs 8:v.22-23 and 30-31CJB, among others: (CJB-Complete Jewish Bible)

    22 "Adonai made me as the beginning of his way,

    the FIRST of His ancient works.

    23 I was appointed before the world,

    before the start, before the earth's beginnings.

    30 I was with Him as someone He could trust.

    For me, every DAY was pure delight,

    as I played in His presence ALL THE TIME.

    31 playing everywhere on His earth,

    and delighting to be with humankind.

    Many times before the GOD's Plan of retoration of all things, as was revealed to Moses, i.e. Genesis, there was a multitude in the Garden of Eden ruled by a Cherub, the son of morning, but today is the sosns of perdition, the man of sin. Isaiah 14:v.12 to 15 reveal:

    12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

    morning star, SON of the dawn?

    How did you come to be cut to the GROUND,

    conqueror of NATIONS?

    13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

    I will raise my throne above God's stars. (God's stars? Read Daniel 3)

    I will sit on the Mount of ASSEMBLY

    far away in the NORTH. (In the NORTH? Psalm 48:v.2 CJB - (2) beautiful in its elevation, the joy of all the earth,

    Mount Tziyon, in the far NORTH, the City of the Great King. See, the City of the Great King is in the NORTH)

    14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

    I will make myself like the Most High.'

    15 "Instead you are brought down to Sh'ol,

    to the uttermost depths of the pit.

    GOD - the Word is GOD - has not begining , neither ending, GOD is from Eternity to Eternity, JESUS is the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
  • OSEAS - 3 years ago
    TO ALL

    Gen.1:2-This Scriptures were revealed to Moses around 2.500 years after Adam, beteween 2nd and 3rd Day.

    Genesis 1:v.2 And the earth was without form,...

    See, GOD was not speaking of the geometric form of the Planet Earth to Moses, which He "hangeth upon nothing"- Job 26:v.7-, no, absolutely, it because the geometric form of the Planet Earth around 6.000 years ago was the same it is today, of course. NOTE: To say the Planet Earth was without geometric form based in Genesis 1:v. 2 is ridiculous.

    By the way, GOD had planted a wonderful Garden in Eden were a multitude was ruled by a powerful Cherub- Ezekiel 28:v.13-15 and Isaiah 14:v.12-12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!...

    After the rebellion, the inhabitants of Eden, ruler by the fallen Cherub, were transformed into dust, dust of the earth, except the spirit, evidently ( Jude 1:v.6), and the earth did get consequently formless and empty, spiritually, everything was without form but not physically.

    Please, re-study your LITERAL conceptions, many of them ridiculous, and cause a lot of mochery. The letter kills.

    To the only Wise GOD our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.





    and void;

    and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

    And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

    And the evening and the morning were the first day.
  • Lawrence - In Reply - 3 years ago
    You are 100% correct. Who else could Mystery Babylon possibly be but America....who else behaves like the daughter of Babylon, mingled with Sodom & Gomorrah?

    Christian's must see that we constantly live in the grip of chaos and tyranny? They are the first to say that we live in the end-times, but are too oversold to fully realize what that means. God despises this nation. Isaiah 14:9 cometh:a spot has been reserved for America at the sixth trumpet, the second woe. Revelation 18 awaits.

    How many "WATCHMEN" have put God before country? Who has heard what the prophets said about Mystery Babylon, and the merchants of Babylon Proper, sitting across the pond? The answer is very few with the proud saying, "I live in the greatest country ever, and God wouldn't destroy His people". Read it for yourself, God destroys His backsliding people. The house of Israel has become Mystery Babylon, while the house of Judah has become converts of Japheth, Revelation 2:9

    The people know no better than support and defend this bully in the name of patriotism. The iron and clay will show no mercy in the hour of thy visitation. When they fan the land, the stubble will defiantly wonder what they possibly did wrong to deserve desolation. On that day, and in that hour, I will die happy knowing that America's NWO was "taken" in their attempt to rule the world from Jerusalem for a thousand years.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    Thank you once again for your comments, brother Leon. I generally understand & agree with your comments, but if I could direct you to what you wrote: "Following his fall, the adversary was relegated to the position of tempter. Just as he tempted Christ, he was only allowed in the garden to tempt Eve, who was then used to test Adam's loyalty to God."

    I believe we have a problem here: Satan's fall is alluded to in Isaiah 14:12-15 & Ezekiel 28:12-19. And then we have Job 1:6,7. So the questions that arise are: at what point was Satan cast down to the Earth & were there two castings down? One, which caused Genesis 1:2 & another that brought on Genesis 3:1-15? For, if the first beautiful Earth was corrupted by reason of Satan's involvement, then where did he go between the first & second creations of Earth, since he lost his position in Heaven, no doubt?

    Does Satan's "walking to & fro in the Earth & walking up & down in it" apply to the second creation of Earth, where we find him all over the Earth, including Eden, & then again some years later during the lifetime of Job? If that's the case, then he being wholly evil, walking all over this globe, causing mankind's fall & causing Job his ultimate test, surely must indicate that such evil must breed evil, not only to those tested but to all of 'groaning' creation so affected?

    Therefore, looking at the Scriptures given by the Lord for us to work with, to have a two-Earth belief (once unformed & then reformed), becomes very difficult to acquiesce to, for Satan's position in either world, must mean a corruption of that world; i.e. if Satan was the reason for the first deformation, the reformation of the second must be likewise affected. Or, if God cleaned up the first then why permit Satan to be around to also affect the second? To be around again, just to test mankind's fidelity to Him, seems a weak reason in light of the extent of damage that was in Satan's power. The Lord be with you.
  • Reggie Hursh - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Larry,

    This prophetic story continues and eventually comes full circle:

    ( Isaiah 14:2) And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

    What group of people did the house of Israel (Ephraim & Manasseh) take as their captives, whose captives they once were for four hundred thirty years? ( Exodus 12:41) Who are the descendants of Egypt that were held slaves when England & America gained prominence?
  • FIRST ADAM AND SECOND ADAM - 3 years ago
    [Adam gave his mandate over to Satan when he and Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree of Life.]

    God spoke of the Word to become flesh in the future: Genesis 3:15

    "And I will put enmity between thee (Satan), and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it (Jesus Christ) shall bruise thy head (Satans legal power), and thou shalt bruise his heel. (the nail through Jesus's feet)."

    When Jesus died for the sins of all mankind on the Cross, he fulfilled the Old Covenant, and ratified the New Covenant, with his blood sacrifice as the Lamb of God. Satan didn't know that, or he would have prevented it.

    Jesus was resurrected on the 3rd Day. Satan was stripped of the power he had stolen from First Adam. Second Adam is Jesus. Satan has no authority over Gods born again children. Only what we give him by sinning and not asking to be forgiven. 1 John.

    Jesus descended into hell's prisons, took the KEYS of Death, Hell and the Grave; out of Satans hand. Then Jesus emptied the prison.

    The Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) live outside of Time; and they Live inside of Time.

    "In Beginning," ( Gen. 1:1) is when God began the ticking of Time.

    We might crab at God, "Why did YOU let this disaster happen?! God has a will, He gave free will to mankind to use for good or evil. As a Created being, Satan has an evil will. He does all the things we blame God for. Isaiah 14:12-16

    We all need to remember that. Be wary and pray daily to God: Thy Will Be Done.

    In Job, we see that Satan attacked Job's family first. He stirred up an F-5 tornado against them. Let's be informed "who" is responsible for what.

    God is Love, God is Good. He has made all Provision for us. He even gave His only begotten Son, so that we may live eternally, IF we accept Jesus as Savior and Lord? Take your SELF off the throne of your heart; and ask Jesus to be the Lord of your Life. Be conscious of WHO has your best interests at heart.

    Mishael
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Veronica. You asked, "why is it that those who are unsaved, enjoy sinning against the Lord so much?".

    You've shared some great thoughts & Scriptures there & indeed "the lust of the flesh, & the lust of the eyes & the pride of life" ( 1 John 2:16), is the standard for the majority, instead of doing "justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God" ( Micah 6:8).

    As Jesus spoke to the religious leaders, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do", it is only natural that those without the God of Heaven will cleave to the god of this world ( 2 Corinthians 4:4) who holds the hearts of men in his grip. As Satan's singular desire was to "ascend above the heights of the clouds (and to) be like the most High" ( Isaiah 14:14), so it is also found in his children that they too would behave like gods believing that no God exists, bar themselves.

    One can only imagine that if societal laws didn't exist (however weak & often mis-applied they might be) & without the presence of Christ's Church & the outworking of the Holy Spirit through her, what would be the extent of man's lusts & wickedness & how unrestrained his sins would be, that would speedily bring about another Noahic-type deluge. Yet God's next judgement will be by fire ( 2 Peter 3:7) as His Anger can no longer be withheld. May the life-changing, spirit-renewing Gospel continue to go out, pulling many out of the fiery deceptions & snares of the Devil ( Jude 23). Keep that holy fire burning, Sister.
  • Terrill M Clark - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven( Job 38:4-7 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?) and the earth. ( Isaiah 14:12-14 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.) What I put in parentheses are the the other scriptures that show angles were made before the earth, since they are witness of the creation of the earth. Also I put in scripture were Lucifer first decide to rebel against God which would be after the creation of the earth before the flood of the universe which is why the Spirt of God is hovering over the waters. It was due to judgment against Lucifer and his fallen angels and creation at the time. Now angles cant die by the flood waters they are sprit but what ever was on the earth during that time could die which is were you can find your dinosaurs living during Lucifer rein over the earth. Also its the reason why God said in Genesis 9:11-15 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Their was a flood before Noah's flood its the reason why good use the pervious waters already left over from the pervious flood. When ever waters is mentioned in Genesis it refers to the waters in Genesis 1:2.
  • Pedro - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 3 years ago
    Jesus was a Hebrew. The 1st man to be called Hebrew was Abram ( Genesis 14:13)

    Jesus was Semitic (Shem), with color and tone similar to their Arab cousins

    Today's Jews are Ashkenazi ( Genesis 10:2-3) they are 7th century Khazar converts of Japheth. ( Revelation 2:9)



    ( Genesis 9:27) God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    Sounds like Canaan will be a slave to his two brothers ( Isaiah 14:1-2)


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