Charles walter doughty on Isaiah 24:23 - 11 years ago
The word in the Hebrew is "old men" or elders, It is hard to believe that it is so ambiguously translated as to be "ancients". There is another Hebrew word for ancient, it is used of God and Jesus "ancient of days". The reign of Christ is accompanied by the agreement of the sun and moon who shine the more in recognition of this fact and will cease also in the same recognition. Evangelists ordain elders ( Titus 1:5), and elders oversee the congregations in the Kingdom of Christ. It is a great loss that this passage has not been accurately translated.
In Isaiah 2:10-22 we read of the day of the Lord of hosts in which the Lord Will arise to shake terribly the earth. In chapter 24:5-6 Isaiah of says (of this day) the earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned and a few are left. Jeremiah says: a noise shall come even to the ends of the earth: for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh: he will give them that are wicked to the sword ( Jeremiah 25:27-38 ). The nations shall drink the cup of the wrath of the almighty God. God had promised Abraham a blessing to all the nations through his seed, that is Christ. He was given for a covenant of the people,for a light of the Gentiles. Before the desolation of Jerusalem Paul had these words to say to the Gentiles: and if some of the branches broken off and thou being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partakers of the root and the fatness of the olive tree: boast not against the branches, but if thou boast, thou bearest not the root but the root thee. Thou wilt say the branches were broken that I may be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standeth by faith. Be not highminded but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches take heed lest he spare not thee.--- for if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted in their own olive tree ( Romans 11:17-26)? The beginning of the gospel was foreran by Malachi 3 messenger ( Mark 1: 1- 3); Jesus pointed in Mathew 11: 10: for this is he, of Whom it is written, Behold I will send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare the way before me. He was the forerunner of the first coming and he went before him in the the Spirit and power of Elijah, and many of the children of Israel he turned to the Lord their God ( Luke1:17) .He, Christ is the author and the finisher of our faith. He promised in Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he declared to his servants the prophets. We read in the scripture, concerning the second coming: and at midnight there was a cry made, behold the bridegroom cometh (25:5) there is the messenger that is to forerun the second coming, the supper time messenger( Luke 14:17, Revelation 19:9). The forerunner of the second coming will have the spirit of Elijah just as the first forerunner. He will have a world wide ministry because the curse of Isaiah 24:6 will follow after the days of his ministry. The Gentiles (church) will be Judged just as Jerusalem was destroyed by General Titus. The Malachi 3 messenger with the spirit of Elijah ministered the other side of the the atonement before death burial and ressurection. The messenger of Malachi 4 with the spirit of Elijah minister this side of the atonement before the rapture of the church
"From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leaness, my leaness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously." ( Isaiah 24:16) I see a correlation here with Revelation. I see a remnant of God's people singing unto Him; I see Isaiah seeing woe "...the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously." Revelation 6:9-11 says, "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." I see in Revelation those who will come out of great tribulation. ( Revelation 7) I think of the Nazi's against the Jews (and other people's as well). When the mass killing began, songs could be heard amongst such evil. Some Jews (and others) may have been heard singing unto God; singing unto His righteousness, holding to their faith and their God; some songs may of been for deliverance. Many went to their death singing both songs. The woe was great when treacherous dealers dealt treacherously with them; very treacherously. In Isaiah, and in Revelation, we see woe, treachery, songs, and great and final deliverance.
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together, as the prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited." There is coming a day when the fallen angels will be able to work against mankind no more.
"There is crying for wine in the streets..." ( Isaiah 24:ll) Did you notice they are crying for wine? They are not crying for bread, neither are they crying for milk, or water; they are crying for wine. Wine is that symbol of effervesing - intoxication, or banqueting. Isaiah speaking of our Lord said "butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good." ( Isaiah 7:15) Do people cry out for butter and honey, or do they want wine? Do we desire the Bread of Life, and the everlasting water, or does our soul desire the wine of fornication? ( Revelation 17:2)
I remember a time when I had a pancake for supper. I did not have syrup for it, just the pancake. I sat on my bed eating that pancake from my hand while sitting before the Lord in His word. My soul was feasting. I desired the Lord and His word. The pancake satisfied my hunger, but, the pancake was secondary; it was the Lord who I desired. It did not really matter what I was eating, the pancake was like a full course meal; yet, it was not the physical food I was eating that made the difference, it was the Lord - he spread a table before me. I was once at meal I was disposed to go to( I Corinthians 10:7) and the head there said to me, "get you a beer." I am not judging anyone who desires a beer, but my thought was "I drink wine;" not the wine of fornication, but the Lord is my joy. He has turned my water into wine. We have recently been in a position to enjoy some things that could be received as "wine of the world." We have been places, and have obtained some things, but, in their proper place they are enjoyment, but they do not exceed the Lord. He is the Lord of the wine. And if I had spent my life working to obtain these things as satisfaction for my soul, I know they would be a huge disappointment. I would say, "is this it?" In their proper place, there is an enjoyment; there is a sweetness when a desire of the soul is accomplished; but, there is nothing sweeter than the Lord. There is no food I can eat, that can satisfy like eating with the Lord. There are no clothes that can beautify more than what the Lord can clothe with. I thank God for every good thing I have had, but, I rejoice most in Him. The Lord can provide a table in the wilderness.
"The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant." ( Isaiah 24:5) What is the outcome of going against God's way? When we transgress His laws, we move ourselves away from His judgments, thus, we move ourselves away from Him. Devils seek to get man to transgress. Their goal is to traduce man, to lead man across. If God is "A" and Satan is "B", his goal is to lead you from "A to B". Mans transgression began in the Garden of Eden. Satan's trangression began before that, when he transgressed against and away from God. Transgression can be willful or it can be from ignorance. Man can repent from his transgressions and receive forgiveness. A further progression from transgression can be seen in "changed the ordinance..." Man can transgress God's laws, and he can seek to change the ordinances of God. If man does not repent from his transgression, he establishes his own ordinance, his own way. This can be seen in individuals and in groups of peoples. (churches, nations, etc.) I think of Revelation 9:20-21, when it says, "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the work of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornications, nor of their thefts." They have neither repented of the original transgression wherewith every human person is born with a nature transgressed away from God. Neither have they repented from the transgresssions they now commit. If man continues against God's covenant, he will end in ruin. When we transgress against God, and change His ordinances, and break, or despise His covenant, the end of that way is desolation; that is why we can see two ways - the ways of Life and of Death. We can also see the image of God (Jesus Christ) and His kingdom, and the false image of Satan and his kingdom. Satan is a traducer, Jesus Christ is our Savior and Redeemer!!! He is our way back to God the Father.
He will be coming with great power. There will be a fire around Him and it will be tempestuous which means, wild, raging, furious, and angry.
3. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silent; A fire shall devour before Him, And it shall be very tempestuous all around Him. Psalm 50:3.
Jeremiah speaks of the Lord as roaring from on high. It will be very tempestuous.
30. The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout." Jeremiah 25:30.
The earth will start to respond to this tempestuous God coming toward it.
19. The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly.
20. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again. Isaiah 24:19-20.
The earth will be self-destructing in front of the eyes of the wicked and their hears will fail them for fear. And they start to realize that it is going to get worse.
26. men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.
27. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luke 21:26-27.
In terror, the wicked will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud and they will hunt for holes and caves to craw into so they don't have to see what is coming.
19. And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
It was known to the writer of Ecclesiastes how this world had ended in the first timeline. In Ecclesiastes Chapter 12, it illustrates the time of trouble when the sun, moon, and stars will be veiled by the violent ejection of dust and thick smoke from a huge caldera (see Ecclesiastes 12:2 and Revelation 6:12; 9:2). A great star (comet of Revelation 8:10; 9:1) is likened to an eagle (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Isaiah 46:11). When the ravenous bird (comet) enters Earth’s atmosphere, it causes a great sound of thunder. Its voice cries out like a thundering trumpet (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Isaiah 27:13; Zechariah 9:14; Revelation
11:15). The voice heralds the time of the latter-day literal and figurative resurrection for the latter-day righteous who believed this new doctrine (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Daniel 12:1; Hosea 6:2; Revelation 11:11-13).
Isaiah was also told how our world will end. In Isaiah 13:6, it states that the day of the Lord (who personifies a comet) is at hand. At that time, the light of the sun, moon, and stars will be veiled when dust and smoke explode from a huge volcano’s crater (see Isaiah 13:10). These prophecies were written over two thousand years ago. God’s written word is able to declare what is going to take place in the last generation because God (personifying each scroll that records and plays over each generation) has seen the end already take place in the first timeline (see Isaiah 46:10). The same catastrophic event of a great star’s (personified as the return of God) impact – which causes an immense volcano to explode and release dust, smoke, hot ash, and then lava – is written in the writings of the prophets. However, the written prophecies in the Old Testament, which are to be fulfilled in our day, are written as if they could have happened during events that took place in each prophet’s generation.
With this in mind when reading the Old Testament prophecies, take into consideration that the past types are mixed-in with future, yet to be fulfilled, prophecies (see Job 14:12, 13; Psalm 18:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:2-5; Isaiah 24:17-23; Jeremiah 4:23-28; Ezekiel 32:7, 8; Joel 2:1, 30-32; Amos 5:16-18; Micah 3:6; Nahum 1:3-6; Habakkuk 3:3-16; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Haggai 2:6; Zechariah 14:3, 4, 12; Malachi 4:1; Revelation 19:11, 20).
This has happened time and time again. Recall ancient clay tablets found Mesepotania where the earth had been destroyed by a comet, and carved in stone in 9 countries, the earth had been destroyed by floods several times and by fire, comet. I am sure it was destroyed before and Adam and Eve were put here to restart the world populations again. Recall their children went out and married daughters of men.
Recall that there were giants in the world in those days. Even American Indians speak of 5 worlds before, and have legends that specifically state exact heights of these giants. 8 & 9ft, 14ft, 25ft, and 36ft.
Even ancient Greek wars speak of these giant people out of Iran, as leaders as well as warriers
Everywhere in the world you have stories and carvings about time and time again the world being destroyed by water and fire.
I remember a time when I had a pancake for supper. I did not have syrup for it, just the pancake. I sat on my bed eating that pancake from my hand while sitting before the Lord in His word. My soul was feasting. I desired the Lord and His word. The pancake satisfied my hunger, but, the pancake was secondary; it was the Lord who I desired. It did not really matter what I was eating, the pancake was like a full course meal; yet, it was not the physical food I was eating that made the difference, it was the Lord - he spread a table before me. I was once at meal I was disposed to go to( I Corinthians 10:7) and the head there said to me, "get you a beer." I am not judging anyone who desires a beer, but my thought was "I drink wine;" not the wine of fornication, but the Lord is my joy. He has turned my water into wine. We have recently been in a position to enjoy some things that could be received as "wine of the world." We have been places, and have obtained some things, but, in their proper place they are enjoyment, but they do not exceed the Lord. He is the Lord of the wine. And if I had spent my life working to obtain these things as satisfaction for my soul, I know they would be a huge disappointment. I would say, "is this it?" In their proper place, there is an enjoyment; there is a sweetness when a desire of the soul is accomplished; but, there is nothing sweeter than the Lord. There is no food I can eat, that can satisfy like eating with the Lord. There are no clothes that can beautify more than what the Lord can clothe with. I thank God for every good thing I have had, but, I rejoice most in Him. The Lord can provide a table in the wilderness.
He will be coming with great power. There will be a fire around Him and it will be tempestuous which means, wild, raging, furious, and angry.
3. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silent; A fire shall devour before Him, And it shall be very tempestuous all around Him. Psalm 50:3.
Jeremiah speaks of the Lord as roaring from on high. It will be very tempestuous.
30. The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout." Jeremiah 25:30.
The earth will start to respond to this tempestuous God coming toward it.
19. The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly.
20. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again. Isaiah 24:19-20.
The earth will be self-destructing in front of the eyes of the wicked and their hears will fail them for fear. And they start to realize that it is going to get worse.
26. men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.
27. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luke 21:26-27.
In terror, the wicked will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud and they will hunt for holes and caves to craw into so they don't have to see what is coming.
19. And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
11:15). The voice heralds the time of the latter-day literal and figurative resurrection for the latter-day righteous who believed this new doctrine (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Daniel 12:1; Hosea 6:2; Revelation 11:11-13).
Isaiah was also told how our world will end. In Isaiah 13:6, it states that the day of the Lord (who personifies a comet) is at hand. At that time, the light of the sun, moon, and stars will be veiled when dust and smoke explode from a huge volcano’s crater (see Isaiah 13:10). These prophecies were written over two thousand years ago. God’s written word is able to declare what is going to take place in the last generation because God (personifying each scroll that records and plays over each generation) has seen the end already take place in the first timeline (see Isaiah 46:10). The same catastrophic event of a great star’s (personified as the return of God) impact – which causes an immense volcano to explode and release dust, smoke, hot ash, and then lava – is written in the writings of the prophets. However, the written prophecies in the Old Testament, which are to be fulfilled in our day, are written as if they could have happened during events that took place in each prophet’s generation.
With this in mind when reading the Old Testament prophecies, take into consideration that the past types are mixed-in with future, yet to be fulfilled, prophecies (see Job 14:12, 13; Psalm 18:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:2-5; Isaiah 24:17-23; Jeremiah 4:23-28; Ezekiel 32:7, 8; Joel 2:1, 30-32; Amos 5:16-18; Micah 3:6; Nahum 1:3-6; Habakkuk 3:3-16; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Haggai 2:6; Zechariah 14:3, 4, 12; Malachi 4:1; Revelation 19:11, 20).
Recall that there were giants in the world in those days. Even American Indians speak of 5 worlds before, and have legends that specifically state exact heights of these giants. 8 & 9ft, 14ft, 25ft, and 36ft.
Even ancient Greek wars speak of these giant people out of Iran, as leaders as well as warriers
Everywhere in the world you have stories and carvings about time and time again the world being destroyed by water and fire.