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Some teach that based on interpretation of; Isaiah 42:7, 1Peter 3:18-19, Ecclesiastes 4:14-16, Psalms 142:7, Isaiah 53:7-12, Revelation 1:17-18, Matthew 12:38-45, Luke 11:29-32, Ephesians 4:8-10, Psalms 86:13, Acts 2:27,31, Psalms 16:10, but none of these are clearly stated nor defined so. Jonah 2:2,

Luke 16:22-31,

I guess my question is why?

Jesus has all authority: Luke 12:5, Luke 9:1, Mark 1:27, 1Corinthians 15:24, Matthew 28:18, Job 26:6, Psalms 139, Revelation 1:18,

Revelation 20, 2Peter 2:4,

Let's not divide over these issues, James 3:6,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Hello again Amy. I had a lot typed; but I erased all of it; because God wants me; and you; and all of us; to stand on HIS Word; NOT on MAN'S Word. (I use caps not to 'yell' but to stress points since there is no option on here for bold type or underscoring.)

God does NOT CARE what ANY mere man says Amy; and I write this with love; not condemnation.

When we die; we will not stand before Trump or any man. While we are alive; we answer to God; and take directions from God.

I shared numerous Scriptures with you Amy; and I feel to say, "IT. IS. WRITTEN...."

God's Word stands far above ANY words that man says. There should be no need for further explanations about why thinking Trump is 'something', God's Word is enough; so I won't give you any 'arguments' or 'discussions' from my flesh; they will avail you nor I nor anyone else anything good; only The unerring Word of God will help.

I will share with you a few Christian sites I found that I think might help you to overcome the last-days deception that so MANY of us...INCLUDING MYSELF...were embroiled in concerning Trump. We MUST be on our HIGHEST GUARD now; more than EVER BEFORE Amy; because we ARE in the last days; and "Be sober-minded; watch. Your adversary the devil prowls about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour". 1 Peter 5:8.

If deception APPEARED AS deception Amy; NO ONE would be ABLE to be deceived. But deception is like a vapor, it wafts under our noses and we take it in without realizing we've inhaled poison.

Here's one more Scripture for you Amy: Isaiah 42:8 ESV / I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

Please resist the urge to feel angry at what I shared Amy; I'm not berating you; I'm trying to encourage you. To pull you out of the lions mouth. He has a good hold of you Amy; and WILL; if you ALLOW HIM TO; TOTALLY DEVOUR YOU. May The Lord help you with all of this. Take care Amy.

Isaiah 45:24 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

2 Kings 2:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

Jeremiah 31:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

Isaiah 42:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

Psalms 70:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.

Psalms 40:14 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

Isaiah 1:29 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen.

Psalms 35:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

Joel 2:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Thank you. That happened to me 35 years ago, as a new Christian. The Lord helped me, every step I took. All I knew, was to run to the Cross.

The Devil is jealous because the Lord has covered us completely with love, mercy and Grace.

1 John 4:4 - Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Keep quoting scripture. Do not listen to anything they say. Confusion is normal. When you feel fear and confusion you can guarantee it is an evil spirit. In the NT they spoke often when they saw Jesus. Also look for anything in your life like unforgiveness and other rebellion in your heart. Repent immediately. We should be repenting regardless. However never forget Lucifer is created and still ultimately a servant of God as are his underlings.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and giuen him a Name which is aboue euery name: 10That at the Name of Iesus euery knee should bow, of things in heauen, and things in earth, and things vnder the earth: 11And that euery tongue should confesse, that Iesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

He can speak in an audible voice.

Eg.

1. When Jesus Christ was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, Satan spoke with Him audibly.

And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. Luke 4:3

2. Satan spoke with Eve audibly. Gen 3:1

If you feel fear, confusion, temptation, it could be an evil spirit. The one time I heard a voice (they're invisible) it quoted scripture. I refused what it said.

Check your home for any forgotten items that evil spirits might hope you'll be entangled with again; and destroy those things. Acts 19:19.

Memorize Ephesians 6. "They are invisible."

Be quick to plead the blood of Jesus. They don't bother blood bought children of God.

I had alot of push back from them. I found, that even if you can't speak it out, ALL OF HEAVEN can hear your screaming born again spirit. Angels will be dispatched.

I'm saying this because I don't know if this is a one-time creepy event or more.

You are beloved in the Son, Jesus. Be encouraged.

I would say "Yes" because he did so to tempt Eve and he did so to Jesus to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.

Yes question, can devil speak in an audible voice?

Elect; chosen, Isaiah 42:1, 2Timothy 2:10, Isaiah 45:4, Titus 1:1, Matthew 24:22, Isaiah 65:9, 1st CHRIST Jesus, then His followers Romans 11:7,

Election ; 2Peter 1:10,

1Corinthians 12,

Hopefully these are helpful,

Though I didn't fully understand what you were asking

It's interesting that you're noticing the differences, I'm guessing you've read Genesis before & studying or reading again or just very observant.

John 1:1-5, Revelation 4:10-11, Colossians 1:12-23, Ephesians 3:9, Revelation 10:1-7,

Note: Isaiah 42:1-12, Isaiah 42:23, compare: the Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke & John,

There is a difference I believe because it seems to point out that man Adam being put into the Garden, symbolic of the Church. To tend it, where GOD seems to already have given the Genesis 1:27-28 'created female & males, direction to multiply & subdue take dominion over the earth & creatures land & sea. Genesis 2:7-8, Genesis 5:1-3, interestingly it is the lineage of Seth the Jesus comes through : Luke 3:23-38

1Corinthians 15:45, 1Corinthians 15:42-47, Genesis 2:15, Genesis 2:18-24,

Hi BMW.

Part 7 of 7.

(3) Gentiles were not required, but had the privilege of, joining the Hebrew family via the proselytization process (cf. Acts 2:10; 13:16). Additionally, there were many instructions in Moses' law designed to benefit the "strangers" (Gentiles) who came among Israelite people ( Leviticus 19:33ff).

(4) The Lord sent Jonah to the Gentiles of Nineveh ( Jonah 3:1). Archer said that the theme of the book of Jonah "is that God's mercy and compassion extend even to the heathen nations on condition of their repentance" (1964, 295). Jonah is sometimes called "the first apostle to the Gentiles."

(5) Four Gentile women were woven into the genealogical fabric of the Messiah-Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba-in both legal and biological senses ( Matthew 1:5-6; Luke 3:31-32).

(6) In addition, the prophets clearly revealed Jehovah's redemptive concern for the Gentiles, who were to be grafted into the New Testament church on an equal basis with the Jews ( Genesis 17:4; 22:18; Psalms 2:8; Isaiah 42:1, 6; 49:6; cf. Romans 11:1ff; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:11ff).

Conclusion

There always has been a way for honest people to be right with their Creator-if they seek after him and choose to please him ( Acts 17:27ff). God so loved the entire world and gave his Son as a potential redeeming sacrifice for all who avail themselves of his gift ( John 3:16). He is the loving benefactor to everyone who submits to his will in faithful obedience ( 1 Timothy 2:4; Hebrews 5:8-9; cf. 2 Peter 3:9).

Article by Wayne Jackson.

I share this information for one to go over. I haven't had the time to do no more than glance over the beginning being I'm out town on business again.

Hopefully some others can share on this great question you asked.

God bless.

Hi Chris; Whenever I refer unto the Old Testament I also call it the law of Moses, because he was the mediator between God and Israel, however; the old covenant simple means the Ten Commandments in stone as in Deuteronomy 5:2-3 & Hebrews 9:4 - Jer. 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-7 Genesis holds three covenants created before the Old Testament, Adam, Noah and Abraham all received a covenant, which was not the Old Testament. Then the angels created the Old Testament, Acts 7:53 & Galatians 3:19 During that dispensation, about 1,600 years or so, God gave the old covenant (Ten Commandments in stone) and the Davidical covenant, howbeit, neither of these were the Old Testament. It is generally speculated that the Old Testament has 613 laws, actually all of which should be in the book of Leviticus, meaning the O.T. specifically is only Leviticus, all other books before the New Testament are not the Old Testament, they are written during that dispensation, although some of them, like Exodus, numbers and Deuteronomy have some of the O.T. written within it. Therefore; you cannot put the four gospels in the Old Testament, as they do not contain any Old Testament laws, neither do they contain obedience to the old covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in stone. The old covenant was magnified by the Lord Jesus Christ Isaiah 42:21 making it spiritual, harder to obey, and was written in the heart of all Christians Jer. 31:31-34 - Hebrews 8:6-13 & James 1:21 This n.c. sets us free from the o.c. as in Romans 8 for the law of life in Christ Jesus, has made me free from the law of sin and death. It should be noted that the Old Testament was destroyed by the death of Christ on Calvary as in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing if we obey one commandment from that law we are cursed according to Gal. 3:10 and Deut. 27:26 Yet the old covenant was magnified, not destroyed, but fulfilled as in Matthew 5:17-18 although it had an expiry date, as in Luke 16:16 I hope this is clear.

Hello Rick. You've raised too many issues here to properly deal with, so I might just throw in a few things.

You wrote: "If I'm gonna take a chance of worshipping another God...". There is no other God - God is One God, none beside Him & Who will not give His Glory to another ( Isaiah 42:8). If Jesus was a separate creation, a product of human sexual union, & you worshipped Him, then yes, you & I should fear worshipping another god. But this Jesus to whom you have given worship & made petition, did not enter the world by that means, but from within God's Being. John 8:42, Jesus said: "If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." The word used here for 'proceeded' & 'came from', is 'ek or ex'= to come out of, meaning that Jesus is stating that His coming was from within God, that it was God's Initiative to send Him & not His.

Yet your pressing search is for the mention of Jesus in the Torah. I'm not sure why, since the Jews themselves will search not only the Torah, but the Prophets, & the Writings for their Messiah. If we remember this aspect of Jewish history: Israel was a special people; they were still sinners before God; God provided a sacrifice system to appease Him & keep Israel always conscious of their sins; this sacrifice would continue until the coming Messiah, Who would become God's only acceptable Sacrifice to redeem them. But what happened? What was written about God's Provision was given to Israel in the Tanakh (TNK) (T=Torah; N=Neviim; K=Ketuvim) ( Luke 24:44), but they could not see it/they could not discern the messages (right from Genesis 3:15). No, we don't see Jesus' Name in the Torah or anywhere else in the OT; Jesus only became Jesus at His Birth ( Luke 1:31,32); but we see God in the whole Bible & His Plan to bring HIS Salvation to all. We could ask, 'why did God bring forth a human (a Son) to be sacrificed? Wouldn't a perfect spotless lamb made by Him suffice?'

Comparison Note:

Isaiah 42:3, Matthew 12:17-23

Isaiah 42:5, to John 1:1,

Hopefully this helps you in your understanding.

Hi Jake Context Isaiah 42:1-7 is prophesy concerning the messiah, the figures of speech bruised reed or

smoking flax represent weak or crippled or spiritually lost people. This middle east thought in representation.

Can you comment on a bruised reed ?

Once not remembered past has come how should people live

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for the insult "You are obviously not aware of the Scriptures." Do you mean scriptures like Matthew 5:11 and 1 Peter 4:14?

Let's address your claim: "The Bible is to the Israelites only."

Is that true? Since there is a lack of evidence for this how can we be certain if your statement is true or not?

Maybe you believe that because Jesus focused his ministry on Israel as said in Matt 15:24. But that doesn't automatically mean his teachings weren't for others, does it?

1 John 2:2 - this says Jesus died for the sins of the 'whole world', not just Israelites. Doesn't that contradict what you said?

John 10:16 - Jesus was ministering to one fold (flock) and said He had others. Could this mean He was talking about people in other countries besides Israel?

Romans 3:29 - this clearly says God is the God of not just Jews but Gentiles too. Doesn't that contradict what you said?

Isaiah 42:6 - same thing. This means He will be a light to other nations. This means the ministry DID include other people besides Israelites.

Acts 2:21 - Everyone who calls upon the Lord shall be saved. If what you said was true it would say [Only Israelites] who call upon... But it clearly says "everyone."

Have you read the above scriptures and what do they mean to you?

Do you believe all moral law is Israel-only like murder, adultery, theft, idols? So, do you think God is ok with non-Israel people committing those sins?

I've been a street preacher 36 years. I mean no offense but not everyone in this forum is a scholar.

Maybe they are baby Christians, or not even saved yet, but kinda thinking about it. They may be visiting today.

I love ever one of God's names; and every one of Jesus's names too! Each one is precious and to be Praised with a loud voice.

If I was on a street corner talking to a kid on a bike, with all his worldly possessions in a backpack; who had been tossed out of his home by alcoholic parents

They need something more to comfort them. God is their Father, and will be their Abba; by receiving His son as their Savior.

God bless.

We recognize there is a whole church out there which stake it's claim on the name Jehovah. Here's the largest problem with that word. It is not Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Old French, Old German nor Old English. In other words, every language in which Bible has been interpreted through in origin cannot render J nor V until the renaissance (1500s or so). The Bible was already thousands of years old and never use J nor V in any ancient text. There is a Pharisee out there deceiving many by trying to make this fit but we have the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to as early as 300 B.C. with even entire books such as the Isaiah scroll of about 25 feet in length which never renders a J nor a V even once. There is no overturning that. One may ignore it but let us not pretend they would be interested in the truth. Yahuah is his name they use This leads us to the name of Messiah as the first 3 letters YHW or YAHU as set by Yahuah. Yes, He literally meant He came in His Father's name.

Even though the Scrolls of the Bible were written in Hebrew, Greek; and translations into other languages; the King James Bible has been found to be the most accurate.

Knowing that we try to reply in comments that are understood. Many people provide the scriptures they are discussing. Any person can look up a verse by Google in languages other than English.

The search engine on this website will quickly bring up every verse in the King James Version of the Bible. Just type it in the Search Box on the red page.

I do realize some religions change verses with Jesus's name in it; to Jehovah.

I use Google if I want to view an explanation of a verse in Hebrew or the Aramaic version.

My KJV Bible does not mention the name Jehovah once in the New Testament and only 4 times in the Old Testament. Why is that?

As the letter "J" was not invented until the 16th century why does your church translate YHWH as Jehovah and how can you be sure how the name should be pronounced and does it matter as different languages use different spelling and pronunciation?

Are you aware that the name given by an angel to his mother, Mary, for her son was Yeshua?

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:3

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Matthew 3:11

For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Galatians 3:6

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2 Corinthians 5:17

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

These things I command you, that ye love one another.

John 15:14-17

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:36

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:27

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 3:21

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Proverbs 30:5

I am the Lord; that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isaiah 42:8

And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

1 Corinthians 3:20

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Islands of the Sea

Wesley's Notes for Isaiah 41:1

41:1 Keep silence - Attend diligently to my plea. Islands - By islands he means countries remote from Judea, inhabited by the idolatrous Gentiles. Renew - Strengthen themselves to maintain their cause against me; let them unite all their strength together. Near - Unto me that we may stand together, and plead our cause, and I will give them free liberty to say what they can on their own behalf.

[you can use the search (box) engine to read all of the "islands of the sea" or "isles" scriptures]

This is what I was taught: that these islands are actually other continents bordered by water (seas or oceans). Presumably Gentile. No where near the Mideast regions.

The Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, the Red Sea and Mediterranean Sea are mentioned a number of times in both the Old and New Testaments. Each the the three bodies of water serves as geographical boundary markers in Numbers 34:1-12.

Ezekiel 26:15-18 (sounds like NYC)

Jeremiah 2:10-11,

Jeremiah 31:10, Isaiah 60:9,

Isaiah 42:10, 11:11, 24:25, 66:19, Daniel 11:18

The USA is bordered on 3 sides by water and would be considered an island.

Mishael

Amen, Rev. Mohan.

God does speak through his word, "accurately".

God bless.

LORD GOD speaks through HIS word! Accurately!

Delores,

It would be difficult in such a short space to summarize the entire chapter. I can share with you a few things and break down the outlines of the chapter for you if that helps. I can also share some key verses and some memorization verses. If there are any specific verses that you would like help on, I or someone else here might be happy to help you.

Chapter 12 can be broken down into five outlines: Verses 1-8, Eating Grain on the Sabbath, Verses 9-21, Healing on the Sabbath, Verses 22-37, Committing the Unpardonable Sin, Verses 38-45, Seeking of a Sign, and Verses 46-50, the Understanding of True Family.

Each of these five sections can be broken down separately as to the meaning of that particular section. Do you have any specific questions on any of these sections?

There are also some key verses in chapter 12. They are Matthew 12:3, which is recorded for us in 1 Samuel 21:1-6. Other key verses are Matthew 12:5, Matthew 12:7 which comes from Hosea 6:6, Matthew 12:17-21 which is the fulfillment of Isaiah 42:1-4 and Isaiah 49:3.

If you are into verse memorization, some verses to memorize in this chapter would be Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:30-32, and Matthew 12:50.

I would love to go over the entire chapter with you but it would take more than one post. Again, if there are any particular sections or verses you would like to go over from chapter 12, please feel free to ask. I would be more than happy to share with you my understanding.

Hi Chris.

I believe the scripture actually says I will be ( LIKE ) the most high. here's scripture:

Isaiah 14:12-14. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH."

Ezekiel 28:15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

We often quote it as Satan wanted to be God or dethrone God. But there is a significant difference here that may be applicable for us today.

You see God shares his glory with NO creative being.

"" Isaiah 42:8. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.""

"" Jeremiah 9:23. Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:""

2 Corinthians 10:17. But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Considering Satans fall -

Here I believe we also should examine ourselves to see what's behind our Motives.

God bless.

Without delving too deep in theology, Divine Election is essentially God choosing who are to belong to Him.

We have the Old Testament references to God's choosing Israel: Isaiah 42:1; Isaiah 45:4; Isaiah 65:9; Matthew 24:22 (Matthew is still OT in this respect). Israel wasn't a nation at the time of God's choosing nor did its forefathers deserve anything for God choosing them, but that He wanted a "special people, to set His Love upon them, & to keep His Oath made to their forefathers" ( Deuteronomy 7:6-8).

In the New Testament (post Cross), the Apostle Paul speaks of God's Elect as being from both Israel & the Gentiles: under "the election of Grace" (Romans chapter 11) and Colossians 3:12; 1 Peter 1:2.

So we understand from Scripture, that God chooses whomever He desires to be His very Own. Yet, after the advent of Jesus Christ & His Sacrifice for all (Jew & Gentile), God's choosing is based on the Cross & yet the remnant of disbelieving Israel will still figure at the end times.

Then maybe your question is in respect of how that Divine Election affects sinful mankind now: are some forever lost without hope, or are some dragged kicking & screaming into the Kingdom, none having any choice because of Divine Election? To answer this, God's choosing of those to be saved is entirely because of His Determination & His Plans. Since we know that God is an Omniscient God (He knows all things from eternity to eternity), His Plans must include those who come into the world, the life path they take, their hearing of the Gospel & their response to it.

Acts 13:48: "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." "Ordained to eternal life". This is election, showing that God, Who had appointed some to eternal life, followed through with believing on His Son. In other words, whom God chooses will be saved - those who refuse His Son are not part of the elect or chosen of God.