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I can see how Islam has grown & spread since its inception, but can you honestly use Ezekiel 43:1-6 relating it to Muslims building the temple? I've read the passage many times, indeed the whole Book of Ezekiel, but I note that it's the "glory of the God of Israel" that will one day enter in "from the way of the east". From chapters 40 to the end, we read the prophecies concerning Israel during the Millenial Kingdom (the new Temple, God's Glory returned, new Service of Worship, & a new Holy Land). It will be a time when Israel & all those saved through Christ's Blood will be in that Holy City - all others, including Muslims who reject Jesus Christ, debarred.

Now how this Temple & its similarities to the old (under the Covenant of Law) fit together is still unknown: whether only symbolic by its presence or operational under the New Covenant, with changes, is unclear. But the prophecy is given & since that time, no temple of such magnitude has been built. It gave meaning & hope to the exiles that they would be released & one day Israel would be re-established in their God-given land. As well, I couldn't comprehend what John 4:23,24 has to do with the above, seeing that Jesus was speaking about His Presence amongst them & the coming Holy Spirit.

Yes they are the Muslim and Ezekiel 43;1-6 declare so read carefully he wants people from the east build the temple,in verse7

And he said , son of man the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet,where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever, and my holy name SHAL THE HOUSEOF ISRAEL NO MORE DEFILE,neither they ,nor the kings, by their whoredom,nor by the carcasses, of their king in high places.

Read carefully and see how GOD CHANGE his mind.

Now Jerusalem was desolate because whoever was there is not recognize by GOD in 630 AD read history so you can how the Muslim grow.

John;4;23 24 But the hour come and now, when the true worshippers shall worship THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH:

For the father seeketh such to worship him

GOD IS A SPIRIT AND THEY THAT HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH

Now how do you worship GOD almighty the creator of heaven and earth

Psalms 121:4

Behold, HE that keepeth Israel shall neither slumbers nor sleep.

Psalms 121:3

He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.

Roman's 11:7-8

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election (Gentiles) hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.

Comment: no one is sneaking anything past God. We can choose to live for Messiah Jesus, or ___.

Hello Larry. Not sure if you're suggesting that God anointed men from the East to be His witnesses, i.e. Muslims. Maybe not & I misunderstood you & you meant something else, because not only does Isaiah not suggest that, but Islam only came into being from approx. 610 AD when Muhammed supposedly began receiving revelations & Judah's captivity to Babylon commenced from approx. 590 BC.

Verse1&2; remembering israeland 'Jerusalem the land, as the land become desolate and destroyed by the Roman's and he ANNOINT the men from east to be his witnesses the Muslim.

4-21 22-26 Israel failure to follow God

The Lord Jesus is our Savior and there is no Savior but God.

Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 45:21

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Giannis,

No. I would not go nuts, if I found a list hidden because I would not feel betrayed because it was hidden. I would ask why he was keeping the list, and I would attempt to fix those things he documented. This is not a matter of common sense or lack thereof. I am not a nonsensical person. (Wow. That stung. I did not post my concern to be insulted). Seeing Scripture about "leaving the past alone" and "looking forward" made me wonder what exactly to do ( Isaiah 43:18 - Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Isaiah 43:18-19 - Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Philippians 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before. Philippians 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus, etc.). Like I said to Adam, 20+ years ago, I was completely shocked by his response, he didn't want to talk with me about it, and he used to get very angry if I apologized to him about anything. Plus, I didn't remember or pinpoint the incident until recently. There is no Pastor or Priest that I can talk with right now. The reason I am using this online venue is because users provide Biblical responses that I can research.

Joyce, Scripture does not give us the reason God gave us the ability to obey Him or not. He did not see that it was necessary for Him to explain this to man, but keeps it in His eternal counsel, perhaps to be revealed when we get to heaven. We do know that God created all creatures for a purpose that will bring Him glory ( Isaiah 43:7). We do know that from before He even created the decision was made within the Godhead to create creatures that would need His care, mercy, and redemption. God made some angels who could sin, knowing they would, and that they would rebel and not be offered redemption or mercy. He planned that He would work in some angels in order that they would never sin and need redemption. He planned to make humans able to sin, knowing they would, and then need redemption because God desired to do so.

For me, in all of this, I believe that God in His essential nature is infinitely perfect and an aspect of this perfection is to self-exist and to act on His perfections. Therefore, being infinitely merciful, loving, gracious, how would He act on these perfections? Within the Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, there is perfect love, but there is no need to act mercifully or graciously towards each other because there was and is no sin in any of them to need mercy and grace.

If God made us perfect and angels perfect and neither could ever sin, how could God act mercifully and graciously? How could He act on His forbearance and forgiveness towards sin if there was no sin? How could He act on His hatred for sin by acting wrathful or His justice by judging rightly if there was no sin to hate or judge?

I don't think God will allow any of His perfections to lie latent and unacted upon. I think that in the resurrection we will know so much more and see how infinite, how perfect, how, glorious, how holy God is and be astounded and worshipful.

We are not robots, we have personality, will, emotions. Nor are we pawns in an egotistical plan made time

So true, Marke

Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

If Jesus is not God then He is no saviour because there is no Saviour but God.

Isaiah 40:31

but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

1 Peter 5:7

Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.

Isaiah 12:2

Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD himself, is my strength and my defense ; he has become my salvation.

Isaiah 41:10

So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

Isaiah 43:2

When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.

Jeremiah 29:11

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

John 16:33

I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart, I have overcome the world. (The Cross)

Mark 10:27

Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.

Joshua 1:9

Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go.

Philippians 4:13

I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

Psalm 31:24

Be strong and take heart, all you who hope in the LORD.

Psalm 46:1

God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.

Romans 15:13

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with HOPE by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Comment: in this world we are aliens. Our true home is in heaven. We can't "fix" this world. God has plans for the ultimate "RESET". 2 Peter 3

Psalms 119:99, Isaiah 43:27, 1Timothy 1:7, 2Peter 2:1,

2Timothy 2:1-5, Psalms 102:12, 2Thessalonians 1:4,

Hopefully these are helpful

We face many trials as human beings and they bring a lot of fear into our hearts. Sometimes we don't know what to do, and the only place we can turn is to our heavenly Father.

God knows that in this world we will face many trials but throughout His Word, He gives us encouragement and comfort in the scriptures.

When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.

It's normal to feel alone when all around you is falling apart and you see no hope of the end coming soon. With God, you can face any trial and overcome it because He gives you His power and strength.

He knows that trials can easily crush and destroy you if He does not intervene. Rest in the hope that God sees your situation and will help you.

Isaiah 43:2 was written when

God was comforting His people and reminding them that He was their redeemer, and would be with them just like He was when they left Egypt (bondage to sin).

1 Peter

5 for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

7 Casting all your care(s) upon him; for he cares for you.

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour:

Sometimes it helps me to pray if I pray the Lords prayer_and stop on each line and put in my own thoughts.

Like, Our Father who art in heavenI add my own thoughts of praise and worship of WHO HE IS in my sometimes, needy life. He is "our daddy". We are allowed to run to Father for our needs.

Jesus prayed, "Father forgive them; they know Not what they do." Jesus opened that place we can go to for refuge and help; comfort.

Take advantage of what was provided__through Jesus's shed blood. Honor the blood of that sacrifice.

What is meant by the rivers and fire in verse 2 here? they will not overflow thee or not be burned neither any flame kindle upon thee.

Hey brother S Spencer,

Part 1

May I answer with humility my understanding. The scripture covering the creation of Adam in Genesis 2 is not the same creation of mankind on day six. Looking at Hebrew words, 'asah translated made, denoting something produced, as a work. Hebrew word bara', translated created, with the same implication as to work in all of Genesis 1, that God rested from on the seventh day.

There is a different word used in Genesis 2 for Adam, yatsar, formed meaning to fashion or form for a purpose. This is the same word found in Isaiah 43:21 proclaiming Israel to be 'the people I formed, (yatsar) for Myself', the purpose, to be a light to the nations, Isaiah 49:6. Before the resurrection, only the house of Israel had a covenant with God. John 4:22, Adam's purpose was the bloodline to the Last Adam Jesus.

We see the word ha-'adamah (the ground) now with the creation of Adam in Genesis 2:7, was not the Hebrew word 'erets meaning earth, land, countries, used in Genesis 1. The Hebrew word -eh (field) means field, land, agriculture, which brings in Genesis 2:5 the plants of the field was not in the earth as of yet because there was not a man to till it, husbandry, Adam.

The word translated till is the Hebrew word avad only translate here as till but the meaning is to work and serve, translated 141 times serve, and 7 times worship. What we serve and work at, we worship. Our walk is to till, same as a garden, we plow the field, we plant the seeds, we water, and God brings forth the harvest.



See part 2

Hi Joe.

The first 12 verses is rectrospect 13 through 28 is judgement, redemption and restoration.

Here we see where God says he created Israel, he also redeemed Israel and he will restore them! This section of scripture proves God is not done with Israel as some the Church has replaced Israel in receiving the promises given in the Old Testament or the promises given to Israel is actually to the church and not Israel.

Look at these verses! Isaiah 43:24-25.

24) "Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities."

25) I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." )

Verse 25 says a lot! God stake his Great name on the restoration of Israel!

See Jeremiah 31:34-37.

That restoration and redemption doesn't depend on Israels faithfulness

See Jeremiah 23:5-8.

Parallel these verses with Isaiah 43 and you will also discover the father and the son in the God head.

God bless

Chapter 43 vs 19-20-21. Kjv This is a vision. The owls are birds , the dragons r herds of animals. This is a similar vision in Zechariah we're he talks about what Jerusalem will look like after the 7 th trump is blown. In 43 that is almost the same vision. In the vision u will be standing on Gods Holy mountain. In the East looking down off his mountain u will see a River of fast moving stream. And the other side will be animals in herds. The ground around u will be nothing but sand and pebbles. The birds will come over u in flocks as far as u can see. Everything and ur self will feel Gods presence. To the East and a little north will be 2 hills with a beam of sun light through clouds shining down on them. That will be the mount of olives split into. As u turn and walk west u will start to walk then realize u can move without effort. Once u make it to the west of that holy mountain u will be able to see down below and it's like large blocks that fell out of the mountain. There will be a stream of water that comes from the south and comes close to bottom of that mountain. U will be given a desire to get down to it. There are trees growing next to the course of water. Willows. As u walk into this stream of water it never comes much higher than ur knees. Then the desire to drink the water overwhelms you. Then u drink. This is the vision all of Gods chosen r given. Who shall stand on Gods Holy mount. He who has a pure heart. This vision is not written other than in pieces. Only if u see this in vision will u know about what I left out. I'm looking for someone that has also seen this. Only he can fill in the blanks.

Thanks Adam.

Simple me!

Hi S Spencer, I think he's talking about Isaiah 43 since that's what it says in the title.

Hi Joe.

Can you give the book, Chapter, and verses?

Thank you and God bless.

Has anyone idea what it's talking about here

Please Reflect on Psalm 46, John 16:33, Isaiah 43:2, and Proverbs 3:5-6.

Do u understand that chapter 43 vers 20 and 21 r a vision given to his elect. It's a signature given to his elect. Zechariah saw it also. Also we're ever it is written. He that have a ear. Also Jeremiah 31. A new thing in the earth. Wondering how far into the truth u know. Have seen the white stone. The book of life. Have u stood on Gods holy mountain.

Hi M.

Providing we're able to convince one there is a God by his creation,

Psalms 19:1.

Romans 1:19-20.

Perhaps here's a few of many verses that shows the God of the Bible is that God.

Genesis 13:14-15. And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed (FOR EVER.)

As we know they went into captivity, And Ezekiel wrote from Babylon when the was desolate. They later returned and the land was left desolate again for over 1900 years.

May14, 1948. We see the "start" of

Ezekiel 37:1-27.

Ezekiel 20:42.

Jeremiah 30:2-3.

Jeremiah 31:17.

Isaiah 43:5-6.

Micah 4:6-7.

Amos 9:14-15.

Ezekiel 36:23. AND I WILL SANCTIFY MY GREAT NAME, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I SHALL BE SANCTIFIED IN YOU BEFORE THEIR EYES.

Jeremiah 16:14-15. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Jeremiah 23:6-8. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

I noticed in the King James Version in Isa. 43:10 it says "Lord" instead of Jehovahwhile other scriptures in this translation have the name Jehovah in the proper place such as in the following scriptures:

Ex." "6:3; Ps. 83:18; Isa. 12:2; 26:4,

Alex,

Love you, too, in our Lord, Jesus Christ.

I believe that we have had this conversation before about believers becoming gods. Don't wish to re-hash.

I will just leave you with these Scriptures where God is speaking and says there is no other gods but Himself:

Isaiah 43:10

"You are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me and understand that i am He. Before me there was no God found, neither shall there be after me."

Is. 45:21 Ps. 86:10

Is. 37:16 2 Sam. 17:22

Is. 46:9 Is. 44:8

Is. 45:5

There are a multitude of other verses that unequivocally state that God is God alone, and there is no other besides Himself.

Satan was overthrown and thrown out of Heaven because he believed he could ascend and become like God. We should heed the warning from this event and not think too highly of ourselves and think that we could ever become a god that that would share God's essence or Glory. He can not meet these things out to anyone else. He does have some communicable attributes such as love, mercy, compassion, wisdom, etc. that man can possess (but not to the infinitely perfect degree that He possesses them) in a limited finite capacity. It is in these communicable attributes that we are in His image, but never in His essence to be a god beside Him.

Bea 2 questions

1- what happened to all the bodies of the the 1000's that died in biblical battles?

2- if Abraham lived 175 yrs. and Sarah 127, why were their bodies considered too old to produce or bear a child?

You are replying to a comment by "Bea"

Here's some scriptures:

1) Ecclesiastes 3:19,20

2) James 4:13, 14; Isaiah 43:13

(old age causes lost of strength and many other issues. weak body parts etc.

in Sarah's case, she gave birth to many children with the help

of God himself Psalm 83:18)

Hope this answers your question.

please let me know. - Prov. 3:27

Lily Mcallister on John 1

Is the Holy Spirit a person?

Jehovah's is a spirit ( Psalm 83:18; John 4:24). and he made his Angels spirits ( psalm 104:4);

and he blew his spirit into Adam nostril "the breath of life." when a men or human dies, his breath goes out. and the spirit returns to God (not the flesh itself.. because the body is flesh made from dust - Genesis 2:7).

the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, these qualities is his spirit. this he has created men in his image to display these qualities to take care of the earth. -

Galatians 5:22,23

According to Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus said go therefore baptizing in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit (the accurate term is holy spirit because John 4:24 accurately says spirit). Also, Jesus is not God ( John 5:19) but he was raised up as a spirit again; and he is a Angel.- John 14:28

Point: God can give his spirit to anyone to serve his purpose- Luke 1:35. if we worship God, we must worship with spirit and truth- john 4:24. anyone who want to worship in truth...should believe in the word of God ( 2 Timothy 3:16,17). by this God will give his spirit and truth will speak.

To illustrate: person 1, person 2, and person 3 are all different people. God will and can give his spirit to person 2 to carry out a particular task. God may want person 2 to completes that task fully. he may use person 3 or person 1 to do something completely different or accomplish the same purpose. (so yes the spirit basically belongs to God, because he is a spirit and the source of distributing that spirit to accomplish his purpose.- Genesis 1:1,26,27 ). no human can force God to do this or that. he is the boss of the spirit.- Isaiah 43:11-13

hope these scriptures help.

Me again.. after reading further in John.

More of what Jesus has to say about him and God the Father being one in the same:

1. "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

John 8:24 KJV

2. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."

John 8:51 KJV - "This is another remarkable claim that only makes sense if Jesus is God, and is one with God the Father. Jesus promises eternal life to those who keep His word."

3. "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

John 8:58 KJV - "With this dramatic phrase Jesus told them that He was the eternal God, existing not only during the time of Abraham but before unto eternity past. Jesus claimed to be the great I AM, the voice of the covenant God of Israel revealed at the burning bush ( Exodus 3:13-14). This is the third time in this chapter Jesus uses the phrase I AM ( John 8:24, 8:28, 8:58) The ancient Greek phrase is ego emi, which was the same term used in the Greek translation of the Old Testament in Jesus' day to describe the Voice from the burning bush. In using the phrase I AM, Jesus used a clear divine title belonging to Yahweh alone ( Exodus 3:13-14, Deuteronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43:10) and was interpreted as such by Jesus' listeners ( John 8:58-59). "I AM was recognized by the Jews as a title of deity." (Tenney)"

4. "Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he."

John 13:19 KJV

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