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My comment is partly a question. Isaiah 46:10 - 12

Indeed God loves all the people he created out of his image by sending his son Jesus Christ. Even though there is a condition to it, which is to accept his son as Lord and savior. John 3:16

My question is that, does these verses in lsaiah 46:10 and 12 fulfilling the end times to our generation because sin has gone beyond man's understanding and what is verse eleven teaching us about the ravenous bird that will occur from the east ( some versions describes as 'far' east), to which God will permit to happen in this generation.

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My comment is partly a question. Isaiah 46:10 - 12

Indeed God loves all the people he created out of his image by sending his son Jesus Christ. Even though there is a condition to it, which is to accept his son as Lord and savior. John 3:16

My question is that, does these verses in lsaiah 46:10 and 12 fulfilling the end times to our generation because sin has gone beyond man's understanding and what is verse eleven teaching us about the ravenous bird that will occur from the east ( some versions describes as 'far' east), to which God will permit to happen in this generation.

Bible commentors l need your comment on this.

I will appreciate you.

Thanks

Hi Oseas.

Let's put 2 Peter 3:8. in its context starting from verse 3.

2 Peter 3:3-9.

Now lets look at verse 8 and give attention to the second half of this verse as highlighted below.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and ( A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.)

When we apply the second half of this verse it cancels out the first half of this verse when trying to use it to measure the length of a day!

You see the day is very long or very short.

The Emphasis is NOT on the length of a day that we may measure it.

The Emphasis is on the Lords longsuffering and patience because he's not restricted by time. He stands outside of time looking in.

Isaiah 46:10. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In context with the preceding verse 9.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

HERE'S WHAT PETER IS ADDRESSING.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

HE'S NOT LAYING OUT A WAY WE MEASURE A DAY.

God bless.

Hi Shaarei.

Here's another you might like.

Isaiah 55:10-11. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God bless

And being fully persuaded that what he has promised, he is also able to perform . The Word of God does not return to him void . Great is the Lord

Hi Norman,

I believe that suggestion is a insult to our Lord,

The creation shows his Glory! God spoke this universe into existence! God made these vessels of clay live! God has no beginning or ending, Knows our thoughts, Stands outside of time looking in!!

GOD IS OMNISCIENT, "ALL KNOWING "

Isaiah 46:9-10. Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

.

Psalms 94:8-9. Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?

He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?

Psalms 139:3-4. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.

For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalms 119:105,

WE DEPEND ON THE WORD FOR LIFE IN THIS WORLD AND THE WORLD TO COME!!

THERE'S NO FAITH WITHOUT THE WORLD AND NO SALVATION.

WITH THE WORD BEING SO PRECIOUS AND VITAL AND GOD BEING ALL WISE AND ALL KNOWING, WHY IS IT SO MANY PEOPLE DISCREDIT GOD BY SAYING HE CAN NOT PRESERVE HIS WORD!!

And little created man can out smart God by scrambling the inspired scripture and derail his plan for salvation. That thought is disrespectful.

God bless.

Hi butch,

you say: "yes the person can be saved and be lost if he turned his back on god" i agree!

thank god we have such a great shepherd in our lord jesus christ that want let that happen!!!

the shepherd job is to care for the sheep and ( make sure they dont get lost in the wilderness by wondering.)

john 10:11

i am the good shepherd: ( the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.)

with that being said i feel secure the "good shepherd" will do his job!!

how will he do that?

john 10:7-9.

then said jesus unto them again, verily, verily, i say unto you, i am the door of the sheep.

all that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

i am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

jesus says he is the door of the sheep, there is only one door! you came in by jesus, "you have to slip by him to get lost".

john 10:27-28.

my sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they follow me:

and i give unto them eternal life; ( and they shall never perish,) neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

:no man shall pluck them out of my hand is one thing, " they shall never perish' is another!!

no man shall pluck them out his hand, is because they want follow no one but jesus. ( they hear his voice and wont follow strangers.

they shall never perish covers broader protection, he want let them wonder off, get lost,

"he holds them in his hand"!!!

sheeps gets lost by nature, they cant keep they self safe.

thats the shepherds job. and they dont loose they sheep (( because they follow him ))!!!

and this is the work of the holy spirirt!!!

god bless.

We shall be partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stead fast unto the end oh, yes the person can be saved and be lost if he turned his back on God

Amen.

Praise the Lord!

Revelation 13:8

King James Version

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Does this mean there was a lamb up in heaven with it's throat slit before God said, "let there be light." ?

Of course not.

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

As you said, of a truth, all Christians (born again of the word 1Peter 1:23/ John 3:3 and baptized in Jesus' name and filled with His Spirit John 3:5/ Acts 2:38)

had glory with the Father before the world was. Does this mean we were physically or spiritually there with the Father in heaven? Of course not.

The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron.

Noone has ever pre-existed oneself.

If only people would (as your name suggests) read their bible, and stop listening to deceived men (theologians/ lying "pastors") they would be free indeed - John 8:31-32.

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

It was over before it began.

Hallelujah!

Hi Skip, hope you don't mind, I agree with your "wonder to the angels". I have not read anywhere in scripture that angels will be replaced. In Matt. 25:41 we read the lake of fire was prepared for Satan (devil) and his angels and like everything else, most likely before the foundation of the world, the plan of God. We read in Job1:6 Job 2:1 Satan still has access to heaven, Satan and God are having a conversation about Job. We also see God puts restrictions on Satan.

I Luke.10:18 we read Jesus saw Satan fall as lightning from heaven.

In Revelation 12:10 we read the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down. Satan did not fall in Revelation 12, he was cast out of heaven "neither was their place found any more in heaven". We also see in Revelation 12:11 the reason they were able to cast Satan out. "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony"; This shows this is at least after the crucifying of Jesus, more likely in the future. Also, in Revelation 12, it is permanent, they are rejoicing in heaven Satan will no longer have access to heaven. When Satan is cast out down to earth he gives his power to the beast in Revelation 13.

In the Bible, we can read angels left their first estate and their own habitation and are locked in chains of darkness until judgment day. Jude 1:6 and 2Pet.2:4. Some scriptures say there are demons, evil spirits on the earth, and how they got here there is little information in the Bible how. You have to go outside the Bible and compile a bushel of speculations and pick one but be careful.

Some things are not answered by scriptures but do not affect our salvation. The things we do need are in bold print.

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Thanks Ron

God does indeed know all about us, even from before we were conceived to the exact time we will die. Even an untimely death will not take Him by surprise, for all things are known by Him.

See: Isaiah 46:9,10; Jeremiah 1:4,5; Psalm 139:13-16.

Yet, many live in fear of when their end may come. For the one who has put his/her trust in the Lord Jesus, death brings no fear - has no sting. It's simply a transition from this life to the one God has prepared for those who love Him. Many over the years welcomed death at the hands of their tormentors: the wicked one might have vented his anger against the Christian, but the Christian looked beyond to the welcoming Arms of the One Who first laid down His Life for him.

Lidya, the Spirit of understanding be with you. Isaiah 46:3-4 ..... which (you) are borne (carried) by me (Christ) from the belly (birth), which (you) are carried (by Christ) from the womb (birth). (vs) 4 And even to your old age am I he; and even to hoar hairs will I (Christ) carry you; I (Christ) have made (created you), and I (Christ) will bear; even I (Christ) will carry; and deliver you. Jesus told his disciples that the Son of Man was sent to be a servant; isn't it nice that Jesus does everything for us; therefore, we can cease from our works and come into his rest.

I think something special will happen

Wow I did not know that.

John 12: 28-30 the voice in Heaven indicated that a special event will take place in the future--that is God's name will be glorified again in the future just like Jesus glorified God name by doing all the work that God asked him to go and do it on earth.

Jesus indicated clearly that the voice that came from heaven is not for him but for the people. this means that people must not confused when similar things happen in the future (out time). This prevent the people from confused in case they confused just like they did when Jesus came down on earth when they think Jesus is just the son of Maria and Joseph.

We forgive others for our peace not theirs that's why christ says forgive always 70 times 7 in one day. Because he wants us in peace and if we hold on to what people does to us it takes our peace. Plus there is no peace in judgement.

You did say truely. The answer is No.

No. But they

will get less rewards.

Yes if a person rejects the Holy spirit in his life and continues evil living without repenting or doesn't even care he can loss salvation. But that's up to God who knows everything in a persons heart God is the only true judge.

The Accuser is trying to convince you that Jesus didn't do enough to save mankind.

Jesus did! :) You're going to have to stomp on satans head just like Jesus. It was a prophesy written in Genesis 3:15. It was fulfilled.

Fight those voices. Fill your VOICE with scriptures you have memorized. The Bible says we have the Mind of Christ.

You have all you need to make demons run, when you show up. Recognize their FRUIT; send them to deserts and hot places, in Jesus name.

What is a backslider? can a person that has truely repented of their sins and is born again lose their salvation?

Chris,

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These are some very important subjects that you seem to be a bit unsure of. As I am sure you already are, we have to dig a little bit under the surface; that is where the hidden treasure is. If we do not understand what happened in the beginning, how will we understand what will happen in the end?

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man" ( Luke 17:26), also look at Isaiah 46:10, Amos 8:11, Matthew 24:37, 2 Timothy 2:15.

Since we have been discussing the first chapters of Genesis, I will leave you with this.

The sons of God are Angels, look at Job 1:6, 7. The fallen angels came down from heaven and mated SPECIFICALLY with the daughters of Adam, producing giants. The flood came not only to rid the earth of evil men, but to preserve the lineage from which Christ would come (due to the success of the fallen angels).

Satan was an angel. Eve was beguiled by Satan. The word "beguiled" means to be seduced (Strong's). What happened in the garden to Eve (and Adam) was the first attempt to blot out the seed line from which the Messiah would come, and was the same thing the fallen angels were guilty of during their second attempt. The punishment Eve (and the rest of womankind) would from that point forward endure had to do with BIRTH, look at Genesis 3:16; and the punishment Satan faced included a separation of his PROGENY from that of the woman ( Genesis 3:15).

Chris. Still on Page 3. You say that after the Fall "the Purpose of God in Creation was thwarted". I am certain you don't believe that. You just haven't examined the thought. What does the Bible say about God and His Purpose? It specifically says it cannot be thwarted. The Purpose of God will stand.

Isaiah 14:24, 26-27 - The LORD of Hosts has sworn: "Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand. This the plan devised for the whole earth, and this is the hand stretched out over all the nations. The LORD of Hosts has purposed, and who can thwart Him? His hand is outstretched, so who can turn it back?

Ephesians 1:4-5 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.

Isaiah 46:9-11 - Remember what happened long ago, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. I distinguish the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: 'My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.' I summon a bird of prey from the east, a man for My purpose from a far-off land. Truly I have spoken, truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, I will surely do it.

Isaiah 48:3 - I foretold the former things long ago; they came out of My mouth and I proclaimed them.

Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.

Acts 4:28 - They carried out what Your hand and purpose had decided beforehand would happen.

Daniel 4:35 - All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing, and He does as He pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'"

The confidence we have is that God is trustworthy. He is not fickle. If God says we will be eternally perfect, we will be. If God had created Adam and Eve perfect, they would have been. And neither they, nor the devil would have rebelled against God.

Everything in Scripture, from Genesis 1-3:15 to Revelation 22 is about Christ. Everything points to Christ. God said in Isaiah 46:10 that His Purpose would stand. And in 14:24, "The LORD of Hosts has sworn: "As I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand."

If Christ was not the purpose of creation and all things were not created for His incarnation, death and resurrection, as stated in Col 1:16, Rom 11:36 and Heb 10:5, what was the purpose of creation? The entire Bible is dedicated to Christ and 2Tim 1:9 tells us it was "by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time eternal."

I would argue that if the Plan of Salvation was drawn up before the Fall, in fact, before time/space, then creation had to have been for and about Christ. Christ came to destroy the works of the devil, to vanquish death, to redeem His creation and to establish eternal perfection.

So, if God knew man would fail, before He even created man, why did He create man and why send Christ to redeem him? Why not just create people that would not sin? After all, isn't that what we are promised in Heaven? Isn't the promise, abundant life for all eternity, where neither sin nor moth corrupt? Why did God subject all of creation to all this trouble ( Rom 8) just to get to perfection and a sinless eternity?

The argument is, man has free will and s/he can't have free will unless they have the ability or possibility to rebel, disobey, sin. But if that is the case, will we have free will in Heaven? And if we do, will anyone rebel? And if we have free will, why do we pray, Your Will Be Done? Why would God create a being with free will, then ask him to relinquish it? Why not create a being like those that will exist in eternity?

The fact is all creation was subjected to suffering, because it was necessary ( Rom 8). Just as necessary will be the release of Satan after his 1,000 incarceration ( Rev 20:7). Why? All things are for Christ ( Col 1:16).

Amen, my sister in christ.

Gale Myers, I am so happy to have helped you. You will not be lost. Yes, we are almost there, the Lord is so close. May the Lord Jesus Christ be with you always. Bless you my friend. Isaiah 46:4 And even to your old age I am he and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear even I will carry, and will deliver you.

verse-3 "Hearken unto me..."/ verse-8 "Remember this... / verse-9 "Remember the former things of old..." / verse -12 " Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted"... WOW, WOW, WOW... it is clear as the sun on a cloudless day... woe, woe, woe, unto the nation(s) blessed by God then they go whoring after the gods of men / lust of the flesh, eye, pride

Verse 9: There is no god that is like Jehovah God. He is the only true God.

Verse 4 brings out that Jehovah God will lovingly care for us as we grow older.

MY LORD!!! ITS A BLESSING TO KNOW WHEN PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE WALK AWAY, TURN THEIR BACK ON U, AND FORGET ABOUT U THAT GOD, WHO CREATED US, WILL SUSTAIN AND RESCUE US IN THIS WORLD OF SIN AND EVIL! Isaiah 40:30-31 "Even youths grow tired and fall and young men stumble and fall but those who hope on the Lord will renew their strength......." LORD THANK U FOR SUSTAINING ME