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Hi Giannis. Colossians 2:16 proclaims very clearly to not Judge others for the Sabbath (or any Holy day) in which they choose to celebrate, or whether or not they even keep the Sabbath in honor of God. In the 5992 years of Creation since Adam, God's New Moon's have not changed; His Sabbath has not changed; and His obligations for us as New Testament believers is very clear on the issue of keeping the Sabbath Holy. Respectfully Giannis, Colossians 2:16 is not matter of your own interpretation. Best, Robert

Dear Robert

The verse you mentioned from Galatians says to us the other way around from what you are implying. It states that we, christians, must not let others criticize us for not keeping the Sabbath as the Jews were. Sabbath is not a christian holiday or a holly day. We do not celebrate Sabbath, we simply have Saturday. The early christians since the time of apostles chose Sunday, that is the first day of the week as the day for the formal congregation of believers, simply because on that day Jesus Christ was ressurected. Of course a church can choose any other day for that, it is not compulsory to be Sunday, I believe. But since Sunday is weekend and nobody works, I think it is the most suitable day for that.

The Bible teaches us that Sabbath is based on the lunar cycle and the original Hebrew Calendar: New Moon is Day 1, and Sabbaths are Days 8, 15, 22, and 29. The actual Sabbath is neither Saturday or Sunday - That said, worship God on whatever day you want, and stop condemning others who worship their Sabbath on their own days and times ( Colossians 2:16).

Isaiah 58, Isaiah 58:3, Isaiah 58:6,7,9,10, Isaiah 10:1-3, Isaiah 1:17-18,23-26, Matthew 23, Matthew 23:14,

Exodus 20:10, Leviticus 25:6, Deuteronomy 5:14, Amos 8:4-7,

Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:27, Jeremiah 5:28-29, Jeremiah 7:5-7, Jeremiah 22:3, Malachi 3:5,

Deuteronomy 14:28-29, Deuteronomy 16:10-14, Deuteronomy 24:17-21, Deuteronomy 26:10-19, Leviticus 23,

Isaiah 56, Matthew 12,

Hopefully these are helpful in your seeking of GOD's will & your walk

u know folks, while listenning to 'uplifting' gospel music ["I feel your spirit" sung by Polish young people & "flash mob" videos ] i felt led to share some thoughts/scriptures with you concernig today's present world situation [i.e. spiritual warfare]. Paul here in this chapter vs.4-5 reminds us what our warfare & weapons are all about, especially if/when sin is in the/our camp, thru out the Bible (KJV) revival & victory is won/guaranteed when we put WORSHIPPERS IN FRONT/AHEAD OF EVERYTHING ELSE (did we forget again?), beginning with a return to the Word Of God! Remember Jericho? The Day Of Pentecost, Hezekiah's revival etc?

The scripture in Isaiah 58:1 says show *'My People' their transgressions & *'The House Of Jacob' their sins! A clear distinction of the two ("why call me LORD, LORD ....). Can you imagine what would/could happen if we put Judah (Praise/spiritual weapons) in front/before PEACEFUL patriotic truckers assemblies world wide, especially in CANADA & AMERICA? What could the people satan is using do "IN SUCH A TIME AS THIS" (REMEMBER QUEEN ESTHER)

"NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST US CAN/WILL PROSPER" Isaiah 54:17, no matter who seems to be in power! Stop following the enemies [followers of the devil (evil one)] naratives/talking points and do as little David did against his giant foe, Goliath! He used what worked for him, 'his weapon' (sling shot) and we all should know what followed!

So be encouraged to fight these situations with OUR WEAPONS WHICH ARE SPIRITUAL, and watch what happens, Game Over! "If my people who are called by My Name, would humble themselves & pray...."

"Doers & not hearers" of God's Word(s)! Amen? AMEN!!! Patriots everywhere need our support [try worship music at your events when possible; it will also attract & encourage our young people & others]

I'm your brother in Yeshua Hammachiah/Christ Jesus our Lord & Saviour; I am also a whosoever of whosoevers according to John 3:16.

God Bless & Stay Safe, i.e. kol tuv etc!

MARANATHA!

I'm sorry, this is incorrect, Chris. Resting on God's Holy Day Isaiah 58:13, the only day God EVER blessed and made holy, IS the very worship you claim didn't happen for that day. Obeying God's Commandments IS worship of God and those who obey ARE worshiping God by that very act.

Sin is the breaking of the Commandments 1 John 3:4. So sin does still 100% exist and Christians are fully capable of sinning, saved or not. Therefore the 10 Commandments still 100% exist and are valid for Christians.

The Laws were clearly given in the OT to teach the Israelites how to be right with God after the Fall of this world in Eden. Under that system, they needed to do continuous sacrifices to cleanse them of sin. Jesus has become the unequaled, perfect sacrifice for all sin and abolished that system of sacrifice with His Crucifixion. All of the Mosaic CEREMONIAL Laws, that were made such a heavy burden by the Pharisees and Sadducees, have been abolished as well.

The 10 Commandments have absolutely NOT been abolished, and will never BE abolished. That is one of the biggest reasons Jesus did what He did with His life and sent us His Spirit afterward that had been trained up to obey ALL of the Commandments.

Jesus obeyed ALL the 10 and we are to live as He lived. John 15:10 1 John 2:6

Christian MEANS follower of Christ.

The 10 Commandments were the ONLY Commandments God spoke ALOUD to Israel. And they were the ONLY Commandments written IN STONE by the finger of GOD, twice.

God SPOKE this world into existence. God SPOKE the 10 Commandments into existence - NEVER to be altered or repealed.

Psalm 89:34

Jesus Christ obeyed all the 10 Commandments His entire life. John 15:10 If He had not, He would not have been 100% SINLESS (without blemish) and His sacrifice would not have been so powerful to accomplish all that it did.

We are to walk just as Jesus walked. 1 John 2:6

When we take His Spirit into us, that is the same event as us receiving a new heart - spoken of in Ezekiel 36:26-27. Look closely at those verses. "I will ... CAUSE you to walk in My statutes, and ye SHALL keep My judgments, and do them."

Christ observed the 7th Day Sabbath every week of His life and it is the 4th Commandment. We are to do the same.

Resting in the security of His providence is a good thing to do, but it is not a substitute for the Sabbath Day of rest instituted at Creation Week - because none of the Commandments have ever been repealed. Gen. 2:2-3 God blessed and sanctified only one day ever, and what God blesses cannot be reversed. Num. 23:20

It is the only day He ever claimed to be HIS Day. Isaiah 58:13 It is the GENUINE Lord's Day that John refers to in Rev. 1:10. There is no other reference anywhere in scripture to that term and the Isaiah verse identifies which day that is.

Please read Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 1:26-30, here it states plural. It also reasonably suggests multiple to subdue the entire earth. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28,

Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,

Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,

Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.

The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"

Genesis 6:1-6, Gen 6:6, "earth" not "garden"

Hello Connie,

My interpretation of "Faith without works is dead" is what's written in scripture: James 2:1-4, James 2:5, please read all of James 2, for perspective & context. It says that faith without works is dead 3 times. Then gives examples what that is : * James 2:13-17,

James 2:19-20,

Notice: Isaiah 58, please read whole chapter. * Isaiah 58:6-7, James 1:23-27,

Isaiah 58:10-12, Matthew 25:31-46, 1 Timothy 6:17-19, again read, 1Timothy 6, whole chapter. 1 Corinthians 13,

I hope these scriptures help give you understanding to what GOD means by "Faith without out works is dead."

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Genesis 2:2-3 , Ezekiel 46:1, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 6:1, Luke 13:10,

Isaiah 58:1-14, Exodus 20:8, Exodus 20:10-11,

Exodus 31:13,14,16, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 23:1-8, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2, Leviticus 25:4, Leviticus 25:17, Jeremiah 17:19-27, Lamentations 1:1-7, Isaiah 1:11-17, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 22:26,

Amos 8:4-8, Mark 2:27,

Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:1-27, Mark 3:1-11, Luke 6:6-11, Luke 13:11-17, Luke 14:3-6, Luke 14:12-24, Luke 23:3-56, John 5:1-16, John 7:22-24,

Colossians 2:8-17,

James 2:1-26

Daniel 10:3,

2 Chronicles 20:1-4, Ezra 8:21-22, Esther 3: , Esther 4:1,3,7,8,11,14,16, Isaiah 58:6-14, Jeremiah 36:7-10, Joel 1:12-15, Joel 2:15,

Jonah 3:3-6,

Matthew 6:16-18, Matthew 9:14-15, Mark 2:18-20, Luke 5:33-35,

This is what John Wesley Commentary wrote of Isaiah 3-14

A fast is a day to afflict the soul; if it does not express true sorrow for sin, and does not promote the putting away of sin, it is not a fast. These professors had shown sorrow on stated or occasioned fasts. But they indulged pride, covetousness, and malignant passions. To be liberal and merciful is more acceptable to God than mere fasting, which, without them, is vain and hypocritical. Many who seem humble in God's house, are hard at home, and harass their families. But no man's faith justifies, which does not work by love. Yet persons, families, neighbourhoods, churches, or nations, show repentance and sorrow for sin, by keeping a fast sincerely, and, from right motives, repenting, and doing good works. The heavy yoke of sin and oppression must be removed. As sin and sorrow dry the bones and weaken the strongest human constitution; so the duties of kindness and charity strengthen and refresh both body and mind. Those who do justly and love mercy, shall have the comfort, even in this world. Good works will bring the blessing of God, provided they are done from love to God and man, and wrought in the soul by the Holy Spirit.

Paisley, Glad it helped some. Have a good night.

Thank you so much for sharing that with me. It really helped me understand the passage more.

Isaiah 58

GOD hates hypocrisy & fake religious acts, Isaiah 58:2-3, Isaiah 58:4,

GOD loves people, has compassion for widows, orphans, fatherless children, poor, Isaiah 58:6-7,

GOD gives chances for repentance Isaiah 58:1, Isaiah 58:5

GOD ALMIGHTY wants to bless us. Isaiah 58:8

Additional scriptures: Matthew 25:31-46, Psalms 139, Luke 13:34,

Hopefully these are helpful.

Paisley,

I was typing too fast. My name is GiGi.

Blessings to you!

Hi, Paisley,

I read all the way through to verse 20. that may help you understand the passage a bit better. God is calling out the Israelite people for turning their backs on God and living in disobedience, but still thinking that offering up bloody sacrifices and keeping certain holy days will garner favor with God. He wants His people to stay turned towards Him, to follow only Him and and His commands. Because they have not done so, they have met with devastation God has allowed so that they will return to Him and serve Him above all. He says, "Come let us reason together," and speaks of how He will cleanse them from sin and restore them. He calls the people to do what is good and right. A people that claims Him as their God should live godly lives.

That is some of what I get out of this passage. It tells me that God loves us but will allow hardships to come upon us to break us from rebellion and sin, so we will repent and live for God. This is His desire for believers as well. He is a forgiving God. He wants sincere worship from those who have "clean hands and hearts". You may discover some other things about God as you consider the passage more. I suggest re-reading it a few times to let the truth of His Word speak to you.

Thanks for asking. It caused me to consider this passage anew!

What does Isaiah 58:1-12 teach me about God?

I felt led to add. Years ago, I actually tried to observe the Sabbath as a Christian who never had beforehand. I learned much

1. to observe a Sabbath: you really have to plan

2 someone has to prepare beforehand

3. Shop for things beforehand

4. It opened my understanding of the scripture & GOD's compassion

Here are multiple scriptures on the Sabbath :

Genesis 2:2,3 (set Sabbath apart), Exodus 16:19-30 (significant differece on Sabbath) , * Exodus 23:11, Exodus 20:11 (blessed & set apart), * Exodus 23:12, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 34:21, Exodus 35:2, Leviticus 16:29-34 (atonement), Leviticus 23:1-10, (seventh day & Passover), * Leviticus 23:21-22, Leviticus 23:27-29 (atonement), Leviticus 23:28-32, * Deuteronomy 5:14, 2 Chronicles 2:4 (forever to Israel), * Isaiah 1:11-18, * Isaiah 56:1-8, * Isaiah 58:6-14,

Jesus observed Matthew 12:8, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Mark 15:42, Luke 4:16,

Jesus set examples on Sabbath * Matthew 12, * Mark 2, * Mark 3, * Luke 6, & many more.

* please note the (*s) these were scriptures that showed compassion & the importance to GOD. (Opposite: Luke 11:42-46 hypocrisy)

By observing the Sabbath do we= Matthew 25:31-46,

Isaiah 58:1-14,

Hebrews 10:1-39, Malachi 3:10, Matthew 25:31-46, Isaiah 58:6-8, James 2:15-20

Hopefully these help

Isaiah 58:6

Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Brother Earl, If today, a lamb rests by the still water from it's labors (burdens) is it not in the chosen fast? What would hinder this continuing fast of Jesus's little lambs?

Isaiah 58:1-14, Daniel 1:5-20, Daniel 10:2-4, Matthew 6:16-18, Matthew 4:1-2, Exodus 34:28, Judges 13:1-5,7,14,

I hope these scriptures give you some insight on a few perspectives, examples related.

I have heard many fast by not eating meat or sweets, mostly vegetables. Some turn off T.V., radio or other habits. Some have done all liquid only, such as broths, juices etc. Most people won't recommend a total fast, but some will do a 3 day no food or liquid fast.

I personally recommend you seek GOD fully before you do any fast. If you feel led by the HOLY SPIRIT to fast HE will help you. It is a very personal thing & if you don't feel personally led, I recommend you wait. Matthew 23:1-4,

There are moments to humble yourself, seek GOD's face in a powerful way, to teach yourself submission, break stronghold habits, difficult choices, impossible situations, etc. Trust the LORD to lead you, sustain you & keep you.

More scriptures to consider. Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:16-29,

Philippians 2:12 please notice the similarity in these verses in context Philippians 2:3-4, read Philippians 2:1-15,

Matthew 25:31-46

Proverbs 3:1-35

Isaiah 58:1-14

Jude 1:1-25

I have drawn comfort from these scriptures. Jude 1:24-25, 1 Jude 1:21,

Nahum 1:7 also in context is the bigger picture

Luke 12:32 Luke 12:1-59

1 Colossians 1:10-23

Philippians 1:6

I hope these scriptures give you a bigger picture that the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY is showing us & are encouraging to you. Many more I wanted to share but deleted & held back to not overwhelm with too much reading all at once.

Let him be the judge, Your scrutiny is not acceptable in his eyes.

Sir Scott

When we incorporate fasting our spirits become more resilient. Our temples are cleansed our minds become more receptive to the messages that He would have us hear with our spiritual faculties. He wants us to feel those hunger pains. He wants us to understand humility in many facets of our lives. Fasting is only one way that we can draw nearer unto Him. There are other ways we can fast in our lives, giving up remedial choices that are idols placed before Him. He wants our full best robust lives sanctified lives daily walking with him. Our lives can realistically be lived without sin each and every week. When we partake of His holy emblems on the Sabbath we are completely cleansed from all sin, baptized every Sabbath day when we walk through those doors at the end of our sabbath meeting. Fasting helps us elevate our spirits nearer to His. It allows Him to facilitate His thoughts into our minds or a higher level. Go ye therefore and be even as I am. He's asking us to offer a better self unto Him. Consider a monatary offering while you are fasting, watch the windows of heaven open with blessings you won't have room to receive. He's waiting with open arms. Your body/Temple will thank you for the rest it receives while you fast also.

THE KINGDOM OF GOD

May CHRIST IS US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

Matthew 12:28 But if I (Christ) cast out DEVILS by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT ....

Revelation 11:15 ...The kingdoms of this world (Satan in us) are become the kingdoms of God (CHRIST IN US), and his Christ; and he shall reign (IN US) for ever and ever.

Colossians 1:27 ...This mystery...CHRIST IN YOU...

GARDEN OF GOD

Song of Solomon 5:1 I (Christ) am come unto my GARDEN...

Isaiah 58:11 ...and thou shall be like a watered GARDEN....

Isaiah 61:11 ...and as the GARDEN causeth the things that are sown it to spring forth; so the Lord WILL CAUSE righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land (kingdom of God) that was DESOLATE is become like the GARDEN OF EDEN ...

Genesis 2:9 ...And the TREE OF LIFE also in the midst of the GARDEN, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion (His chosen): he will comfort all her waste places: and he WILL MAKE her wilderness like EDEN, and her deserts like the GARDEN OF THE LORD: joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Genesis 3:8 ..the Lord God walking in the GARDEN..

Ezekiel 31:8 The cedars in the GARDEN OF GOD could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches: nor any tree in the GARDEN OF GOD were like unto him (Christ) in his beauty.

WE ARE THE GARDEN OF GOD....CHRIST IN US...

Lisa, I will be praying for you now. Remember Isaiah 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. Allow the Holy Spirit to speak the words and He will provide for you a safe haven for you and your family. Jesus bless and keep you in all ways.

Sister Audrey,

Best to read your bible and pray and ask God's Holy Sprit to help you understand what you read. There are many people out there that will try to lead you in the wrong direction.they interprete and twist the words they read in the Bible to mean whatever message they are trying to push.

The Sabbath Day has always been the last day of the week - Saturday. God gave us the Sabbath to rest, pray, reflect and give thanks to God. Yes the 4th commandment asks us to Keep Holy the Sabbath.

Many Christians and churches today do not keep the 4th commandment.

There are many references in the Bible regarding keeping God's 10 Commandments. Here is Jesus speaking the following Bible scripture below:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

In summary: You can always believe in the bible scripture!

God Bless