Another failure of the enemy of our souls and his tactics
Satan knows that he failed in using the people such as Judas Iscariot; the Romans and the Pharisees to betray and then crucify Christ after the Resurrection occurred. He has another big surprise coming when the saints are all rewarded due to enduring patiently the trials which were largely devised by Satan to buffet God's saints while on the earth. They will come back to fight with Christ and do the subsequent cleanup of earth after that event (in reality we will be spectators of Christ who goes through the vineyard alone ( Isaiah 63:3) but rule and reign with a rod of iron with Christ afterwards. ( Rev. 2:26-27).
The enemy has; as I have brought out on other occasions two primary tactics. One is of outright persecution and the second temptations to put us out of commission. There are several distinct advantages for the second method to be applied instead of the first. We must consider that if someone is taken out through martyrdom that they will no doubt be influencing others who will be continuing to accelerate the Great Commission. This method of seduction allows for infiltration and compromising of groups of people and exponentially infects the church; and we only need to look at today's sad state of affairs in American churches to see evidence of just how effective the last few decades of deception has been. If the enemy is in the camp then of course he can bring God's sore displeasure and we can see how effective that was with the absence of all seven churches listed in Revelation 2 and 3 from modern day Turkey (even if the Philadelphia church was faithful that nation has succumbed to what is likely about to once again be a Muslim Caliphate in the next few years.) Our country is seeing a shocking rise in paganism and Satanism today which of course has infiltrated many houses of worship in thinly disguised methods (such as cards with "Christian" images basically mimicking Tarot cards.)
God the Father granted Christ all authority on heaven and earth which sets forth the ultimate example of how God worked to reward the perfect obedience of Christ. It also goes against Satan's offer to worship him to have such authority. ( Matthew 28:18; Matthew 4:9).
One may question how Christ; who Himself brought all of creation into existence would have such a destiny. ( Colossians 1:16-20). In that situation; one may say that He was the Person to do the work that the Father had planned; and His agent as it were was the Spirit of God (hovering over the waters as it states in Genesis 1:2).
We realize in this that no servant is greater than his master. ( John 15:20). We all are nothing without Him; yet He will likewise exalt the humble with positions to rule and reign with Christ in the Millennium. In some sense we can say that Christ emptied Himself so that He could be our High Priest suffering in all ways but without sin. ( Heb. 4:15). As the second Adam He was able to keep from the temptations of the devil to fall unlike Adam; as well as fulfilling the law perfectly which no man could do. ( 1 Cor. 15:45-47).
It is hard to get our mind around these facts; that He who created all things would start from conception as a helpless babe and end as a sheep to the slaughter ( Isaiah 53:7); the Lamb of God which will forever be ascribed to His Name. Of course all of us who are saved are adopted sons; ( Ephesians 1:5) part of the eternal lineage of the rightous (as contrasted with the earth dwellers in Revelation 11:10).
Christ is returning as conquering king. He alone trods the winepress ( Isaiah 63:3). He alone brings forth the TRUE one world government of peace and rules in righteousness; impartially judging as many verses in Isaiah testify. Some verses can be taken symbolically but to not take Revelation 19 literally or somehow think Christ already returned in some mystical way is heretical thinking (see 2 Tim. 2:18)
We constantly grow in the grace and knowledge of God, only in his time frame, his appointed time to each of his children.
I think there is enough evidence through out the word of God that shows Christ is the angel of the Lord.
Acts 27:23 And there stood before me this night the ANGEL of the Lord, whose I am, and whom I serve.
We serve Christ, the angel (messenger) of the Lord (God).
Galatians 4:14 ....but received me as an angel of God, EVEN AS Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 63:9 In all their (creations) affections he (Christ) was afflicted, and the ANGEL of HIS (God's) presence SAVED them, in his (God's) love and his (God's) pity he (God) redeemed (through Christ, God's does all things through Christ) and bare them, and
carried them all the days of old.
There is many more scriptures, I like you try to keep comment short.
God BLESS YOU as we grow together in the knowledge of God.
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE body ... ONE Spirit ....
Ephesians 4:5 ..... ONE God ..... Father of ALL .... even angels .... above all ..... through you all .... and IN YOU ALL .....even angels.
1 Corinthians 15:28 ..... that God may be ALL in ALL .....even angels .....
Psalms 103:20 ....ye HIS ANGELS ......
Romans 8:29 ...conformed to the IMAGE of HIS SON ....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they died anymore, for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS (Christ being the angel of the Lord, and they were resurrected in his image), and are the children of God, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
May I add a little bit of my understanding to your understanding, which are parallel to each other.
We are taught by God, the Spirit of truth and life that gives us existence.
God is Spirit, invisible, yet he wants to be known and seen, so he created a BODY, and he called that MAN Christ (Adam) the beginning of creation.
Through that MAN, Christ. he does ALL THE WORKS of the Almighty God, so truth and life CAN BE SEEN.
Christ can appear in a body of flesh, or he can be the SPIRIT of prophecy, he is omnipresent as is his Father.
We cannot exist without the SPIRIT of God, through Christ, giving us LIFE, just as Christ, a BODY, cannot exist without the Spirit of his Father giving him LIFE.
Christ commended HIS Spirit, the Spirit of HIS Father back to God who gave him LIFE, thus his body DIED on the cross, for the SALVATION of God's creation.
When God put his Spirit back into Christ he RESURRECTED all creation ANEW, the IMAGE of GOD, the body of Christ.
When we are MATURE in the TRUTH and LIFE of God, Christ will sent his angels to harvest us, in the twinkling of an eye we will PUT ON CHRIST, the express IMAGE and GLORY of GOD.
Christ told his disciples I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am, there will you be also.
At present Christ is indwelling creation revealing the KINGDOM of God to creation.
Isaiah 63:9 ...and the ANGEL of HIS presence SAVED them ....
Colossians 1:27 ... thist mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU ......
That where I am ye may be also.
Revelation 10:11 ... Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATION, BAPTIZING in the NAME .....
His disciples never understood till pentecost that they would not be able to TEACH ALL NATION, until they had been harvested and become the express IMAGE and Glory of God, all by the WORKS of Christ RESURRECTION.
God is angry with the nations as well as individuals. Revelation 11:18 begins a discussion of God's wrath and it is accomplished when the winepress is trod alone by Christ ( Isaiah 63:3) which mirrors Armageddon as described in Revelation 19; but also the campaign of the Exekiel 38 war and the nations God destroys in the process.
In such a topic; of course we see other attributes of God balancing things such as wrath and anger with patience and longsuffering of the Lord; for instance. In all this discussion it is important to see how a balanced picture of our Lord brings a better focus as to who He is. We can't just focus on anger or there is no hope for His love; but the same holds true for those who only want to hear "encouraging" verses in scripture. As famously stated we either have all of Christ or we have in reality none of Him. We must take the whole counsel of the Word of God rather than cherry picking what we want as context gets thrown out the window at best with that mindset; and at worst whole doctrinal truths are cast aside. Such is the action of such deists as Benjamin Franklin apparently. The flesh really doesn't even comprehend God's love; for human love and its vicissitudes clearly can't be trusted ( Jeremiah 17:9) as our heart is desperately wicked and who can know it? God judges impartially and is not a "respecter of persons" ( Romans 2:11-16; Acts 10:34). He is entirely righteous and no one can argue with Him once judgment comes. As Psalm 2 states we should "kiss the Son" while He is in the way so that His anger doesn't make us perish (verse 12; loosely translated). God's terms are having Christ as our mediator and High Priest because He can't look upon sin ( Heb. 9:15; Habakkuk 1:13). God will thankfully bring His own people to completion and hence the new heaven and earth will have nations of righteous people serving God; both the survivors of the Tribulation and Resurrected/Raptured saints.
I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, and the praises of the Lord, according to all that the Lord hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they REBELLED, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he -THE HOLY SPIRIT- was turned to be their ENEMY, and he FOUGHT against them.
11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Psalm 51:11-13
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Matthew 13:30 Let them grow together (the wheat and the tares) ......but gather the wheat into the barn ....
Job 39:12 Wilt thou believe him (a prophecy of the Messiah), that he (Christ) may bring home the SEED (the word of God), and gather it (the word of God)(the SEED)(the WHEAT)(all symbols of CHRIST) into the barn (a symbol of the TEMPLE)
John 12:24 ... except a corn of WHEAT (SEED)(word of God)(CHRIST) fall into the ground (the grave)and DIE, it (Christ)(the WORD)(the SEED) (the WHEAT) abideth alone, but if it (Christ, the SEED, the WORD, the WHEAT) DIE, it (CHRIST) bringeth forth much FRUIT.
Wheat makes more WHEAT, Christ makes MORE CHRIST.
Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE body .... ONE Spirit ....
John 17:22 .... that they may be ONE as we are ONE ......
Christ ONLY was raised from the DEAD.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIED ANYMORE: but they are EQUAL to the ANGELS, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
Isaiah 63:9 ... and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM ....
I am going to let the word of God answer the questions you ask.
You ask: Did the apostle Paul commit sin after he was saved.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN of GOD doeth not commit sin, for his (GOD'S) SEED remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin because he is BORN of God.
You ask: in 100 years will I be alive in physical body? YES!
John 11:26 Whosoever liveth and believeth in me (the SEED) shall NEVER DIE, believest thou this?
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the SEED) DIE ANYMORE (they died with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS (angles have Christ's resurrected body); and are the children (SONS, like Christ) of God, being the children (SEED) of the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (Christ's SEED) a body as it has pleased him, to every SEED his (Christ's) OWN BODY.
You ask: do I every commit sin. NO!
Galatians 2:20 .....I am DEAD, nonetheless I LIVE, YET NOT I, but Christ LIVETH IN ME .... ALL creation DIED on the cross ....ONLY ONE SEED (Christ) arose ....
You ask: What does it mean to be born again.
To believe the WORD's Of GOD.
You can not be BORN again until you BELIEVE YOUR DEAD, only Christ is alive.
You ask: Where is Paul living and in what form:
Luke 20:36 ...EQUAL to the angles .... the IMAGE of CHRIST ...... Christ is the ANGEL of GOD ......
Isaiah 63:8 .... and the ANGEL of his (God's) presence SAVED them ..... Paul is living IN and BY the presence of Christ, in the body of Christ ...
Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery ..... Christ in you .....
1 Corinthians 12:27 ... ye are the BODY of Christ ....
Ezekiel 20:36-40 is an interesting read; and it seems to show how at the end of the Tribulation God will judge the Jews in particular as to who is suitable to enter into the Millennial Kingdom.
As you probably are aware; many elements of the Exodus are similar to what goes on during the Tribulation judgments; such as water being turned into blood andarkness being brought to part of the earth. The hardening of Pharoah is much like the Antichrist after he rids himself of the two witnesses (a bit like Moses and Aaron in their prophesying). We see the physical preservation of those that escape the "flood" that comes out of the mouth of the Beast ( Rev. 12:15)-called the serpent. Much like the Egyptians on their suicidal mission to get the Jews back we see Antichrist and his armies fighting Christ at His return ( Psalm 2). There are some who physically survive and thus; are judged as to whether they are true believers or just rebels from the remnant who haven't taken the mark of the Beast among the Jews; it would seem. It is a sobering thought that circumstances don't change sheep from goats; as we see another rebellion at the end of the Millenium after a world that is as close to Paradise as mortal man can experience.
On this day; of course we are reminded of Christ's sacrificial death; atonement and ultimate Resurrection defeating death and hell as a result of our sins which He took on when nailed to the cross. Isaiah 63:3 and many other passages demonstrate that the wrath of God must be satisfied either in His method of substitutionary sacrifice or in His wrath at Armageddon when He judges the world or at the death of all unregenerate individuals suffering their eternal fate separated from God in hell.
Let us live consistent with being a peculiar people ( 1 Peter 2:9); also referencing our priesthood (it is good to read the whole verse). The hidden inner man is what contrasts us from the rest of the world; not an outside veneer of religion.
Continuing with just a few of the Day of the Lord verses.
Zephaniah 1:15
Isaiah 13:9
Lamentations 2:1
Isaiah 13:13
Isaiah 51:22
Jeremiah 25:15
Revelation 16:19
Revelation 14:10
Revelation 16:1
Isaiah 63:1-6.
This is what Paul is telling them is not at hand. This is what we all agree on besides a few that the Church will not see.
However some see the Rapture in Revelation 20:4-6 sadly mistaking it for the Resurrection.
That would place the Church on the Earth during the wrath of the Lord that comes upon all the Earth.
When we take 2 Thessalonians 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition;
Paul gives them the sequence of events in chronological order of what happens "AFTER" that what he reminded them of previously in
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
That's why he opens up saying "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by "OUR" gathering together unto him," 2 Thessalonians 2:1.
Paul included them and himself in this gathering! So did they see the son of perdition? No.
We take 2 Thessalonians 2:3 with the following scriptures to pitch our viewpoint. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-15.
The son of perdition can't come while the light bearers is in the world. The Church! Who sits in the midst of the Church? Christ/His Holyspirit.
Hello Free & Gi Gi....Gbu....But everything i have written is Biblical.... Gen. 22:17 kjv...It all goes back to the Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thats y the sower has to go forth and sow his precious seed in man's hearts...And God Almighty SWORE BY HIS VERY SELF when he made this Promise of multipling Christ seed essentially multipling very God...Thats y Our Lord says to whom the Word came ( his good seed ) it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken.... Luke 24:49...Thats y they referred to the H.G. as the Promise....A baby Christ ....He is the multiplication of very God as God is spirit that has to be born in us from Jesus's good seed the living word....But Jesus said that satan is the father of the Tares b/c he sows the Tares....Thus Christ is the father of the wheat b/c Jesus is the one who sows the wheat Thus the Children of the Kingdom....Remember Jesus said the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom.
......But here is what happens satan comes and sows another seed in our heart....Then we are involved in war in heaven...Violence in heaven....The good seed the wheat is a baby Christ ...But the Tare becomes another satan..But Jesus said to let them grow together till the Harvest....Whosoever receives one such Child in my name receves me....The reason i say the wheat is a baby Christ is b/c the sower of that good seed is CHRIST THE BRIDEGROOM.....They don't call Jesus the bridegroom for nothin....God Almighty wants Jesus seed so the great promise of multiplication of Gods will happen....Children that cannot lie so he was their savior / father... Isaiah 63:8...Thus an ISRAEL of God....that are gonna be as the stars of heaven....Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect...But this war is raging with in us ...Thus the wheat the baby Christ is in prison spiritually to the TARES....Thats y Paul was saying when i wd do good evil is present with me....I cannot do what i want to do O wretched man that i am. Alex GBU
Psalms 17:15 As for ME (Christ), I will behold thy (the Father and God of Christ) face: I (Christ) will be satisfied, when I (Christ) awake (am resurrected, by the Father's SPIRIT), with THY (the Father's) likeness.
Romans 6:5 For if were be planted TOGETHER (you and Christ) in the likeness of his (Christ) DEATH; we shall also be the LIKENESS of HIS RESURRECTION.
Genesis 5:1 In that DAY (the day of the LORD; ALL MEN died with Christ and all MEN were resurrected with Christ) that God created man ( BY the resurrection), in the LIKENESS of GOD created he them.
Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth THY (the Father of ALL ( Ephesians 4:6) SPIRIT, THEY (all men) are CREATED; thou renewest the face of the earth.
Ezekiel 1:5 And out if the MIDST thereof (Christ) there came forth four LIVING CREATIONS, And this was their appearance, they (the new creation) had the appearance of A MAN (Christ).
Ezekiel 10:10 And as for the for their appearances (the LIVING CREATIONS), they four (the new creation) had ONE LIKENESS, as a WHEEL (Christ) in the MIDST of a WHEEL (Christ).
Colossians 1:27 ..this MYSTERY (of his resurrection) ... CHRIST IN YOU ..
Romans 8:28 For whom he (the Father of ALL) did foreknow, He (the Father) did predistinate (by the resurrection of Christ) to be conformed to the IMAGE (God) of his son, that he (Christ) might be the FIRSTBORN among many (cloned by his resurrection) BRETHREN.
Psalms 82:6 For I (the Father) have said, YE (my new creation, by your brother's resurrection) ARE GODS, the children of the most high.
John 10:35 If he (our Father, the WORD) called them (the new creation, by resurrection) GODS, unto WHOM the word of GOD CAME ( Hebrews 9:28), the scripture CANNOT be BROKEN.
Luke 20:36 Neither can THEY (the new creation) DIED ANYMORE (you died with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS ( Isaiah 63:9...and the ANGEL of HIS (Christ in YOU) PRESENCE SAVED THEM.
Job 1:12 And the Lord said unto SATAN, Behold, all that he hath is in thine power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So SATAN went forth from THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.
Isaiah 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM: in his love and his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one UNTO SATAN for the DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH, that the SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED in the day of the LORD JESUS.
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alesander, whom I have delivered unto SATAN, that they MAY LEARN not to blaspheme.
What is good and evil? To get a definition we must first adhere to God's standards rather than our own; while acknowledging that His ways are higher than ours. For instance; we are not commanded to fight against the whole world of wicked man and the Antichrist and False Prophet and usher in God's Kingdom. There are some Dominionists who seem to go pretty far in that direction though; acting like Christ coming in vengeance ( Isaiah 63:3) is going to somehow be preceded by a red carpet welcoming mat of a world that is subjugated to Christianity. That isn't even what Post Mil reformers are saying! In any case a mass slaughter of most of the surviving earth at the end of the Tribulation isn't something that would be classified as good for anyone but the King of Kings. No doubt; of course Antichrist will beforehand attempt to justify his wars of conquest as a "man of peace" and when that is proven to be wrong; as the only one who can fight God who will be; to put it mildly called unjust.
To the world; Psalm 2 will seem like a way to "loosen their fetters" so to speak; this will seem like the ultimate revolutionary act to do for the world against those "aliens" attempting to invade the earth!
The other side of the coin; of course is the concept of what exactly "good" is. We know that God Himself can do no wrong; and is love itself ( Job 34:12; 1 John 4:8). We know that no one does good and all are estranged from the womb ( Romans 3:12; Psalms 14:3). Christ mentions this with those who are "evil" that give good gifts to their children. ( Luke 11:13). Therefore; the action may be the same among the regenerate and unsaved; but the motivations will be different; for instance pride of self or family; or an attempt to appease God and men through behaviors. This may be why the young man wasn't disputed when he said that he obeyed certain things since a youth. ( Matthew 19:20 and elsewhere). Hidden covetousness was thus exposed.
Apparently David was in charge of and/or led several campaigns in an area that is somewhat disputed today as to the exact location(s) due to the topography and changes in the landscape since Biblical times. Nonetheless I am unaware of any great miracles of God causing the earth to shift such as in verse 2.
The whole area surrounding Jerusalem in the territory God promised a includes not only the area already conquered and allotted to tribes but surrounding territories (verses 6-8). These larger regions and the other references seeming to indicate a larger judgment probably are prophetic to things which will happen in the end times. The trumpet and bowl judgments will affect the whole world with earthquakes; and the "wine of astonishment" referred to in verse 3 is found in Isaiah; Jeremiah; Ezekiel and a later Psalm as well as of course describing Babylon the Great in Revelation 17 and 18. Of course the Book of Lamentations involving the Babylonian captivity also caused great famine and cannibalism as a horrible sign resulting from the abominable sins that God forewarned about that would cause such things to be unleashed. That is also a warning today to Israel who will have to go through the fire in the Tribulation for national revival to finally occur.
Further evidence of future prophecy is seen in verses 10-12. Edom is mentioned in the Book of Hosea with last day fulfillments as well. Christ coming down to earth is mentioned in Zechariah 14. He will; of course tread down His enemies in the wine of His wrath alone ( Isaiah 63:3) as well as Revelation 19.
Perhaps these themes were an encouragement to David as well as us that eventually all of the territory God promised in the promise of the Covenant He gave to Abraham will be fulfilled.
Suleiman in 1540 apparently sealed the eastern gate in Jerusalem; which is apparently where the Messiah is going to return at the Second Coming (or shortly thereafter after defeating His enemies). We can see this in the beginning of Ezekiel 43 as well as Ezekiel 44 in the closing of the gate. There are other scriptures in Nehemiah and Zechariah which point to the glory of the Lord to the east as well.
The repeated theme in verses 7 through 10 could also refer to Christ's triumphant return to the heavenly city and throne when He sat at the right hand of God after accomplishing His work here on earth ( Acts 2:33; Hebrews 10:12 and about 100 ADDITIONAL cross references to that affect!)
When we see His triumphant return; His vestures are dipped in blood. ( Rev. 19:13; Isaiah 63:3). It is certainly possible that when He first entered heaven there was some of the blood from His atonement placed there ( Hebrews 9:12). I would take this verse literally; although there is commentary from some famous people (I will leave unnamed) who say to the contrary.
A couple other themes seen in verses 1 and 2 show the original earth and that after the flood that God established. To be in heaven according to verses 3 through 5 have certain characteristics. We need to heed not swearing deceitfully as well; for any covenant or vow before God is something we are to keep our end on (and I am placing the marriage covenant there as well). God is eternal therefore not planning to change His covenants; with the exception of the New Covenant that He established abrogating the sacrifices of the O.T. for a better one ( Matt. 26:28; etc.) Verse 6 states a generation of them that seek Him; that could be the whole resurrected group of saints; or the Millennial generation born on earth after He comes; or both.
God did not come from anywhere. He has existed always. He had no beginning and will never ceases to be. This is why He gave Moses His name as "I AM WHO I AM" or "I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE" which speaks to being everlasting, eternal, being self-existent. This means that God is Life Itself. His existence is derived only from Himself, not having acquired life or existence outside of Himself. Existence is internally Who He Is. In many places in the Scriptures God speaks of Himself as the Eternal God, Everlasting Father, Everlasting to Everlasting, ( Isaiah 63:16; 1 Chronicles 16:36; 29:10; Psalm 41:13; 90:2; Isaiah 9:6; 40:26; Psalm 93:2; Genesis 21:33; Jeremiah 10:10, etc.)
We are to understand by these Scriptures that God always IS eternally so. He alone has this eternal existence, that is why He alone is the only true God. Hope this helps.
This is another reference to the 144,000 who appear to be translated or raptured as they appear before the heavenly Mt. Zion. They have the seal of God on their foreheads which they were given earlier to prevent the plagues from God to affect them ( Rev. 9:4). They are mentioned as "firstfruits" and they would be the last of a whole train of people in heaven from Christ ( 1 Cor. 15:23) until now. Those who will be with Him at His coming will include all the rest of the martyrs who would not take the mark of the Beast (see v. 9-11). There were general admonitions given by angels to worship God who created all things; as well as the fall of Babylon (the great city) which would be the ECONOMIC part of Babylon (i.e. the city running everything) which some say is Rome; others New York City; or possibly a future one in the Middle East. Since the term "is fallen" is stated twice in verse 8; it indicates that the spiritual Babylon system of false religion ALSO is overturned by the Beast at this time (as we wee in further detail in Revelation 17 and 18.
The warnings in verse 9 about not taking the mark of the Beast and eternal damnation also is preached by an angel. Verses 12 and 13 show those who will still die; and the "patience" of the saints. They will rest after their labors.
The rest of the chapter shows the judgment of the nations at Armageddon; and perhaps in the bigger picture with the bloodbath to come. Various angels are seen with sickles (v. 16 and 17) who are given instruction by the angel in verse 15. Verses 18 and 19 show those that are grapes; those who will be trodden by the wrath of the winepress of God ( Isaiah 63:3). It seems unclear if the angels in v. 15-17 are gathering the righteous (as it would seem from preceeding verses); or the wicked. There is the possibility that it would be those who will not fight in battle who are the tares. God isn't mentioned specifically or a heavenly view of saints; in general Matt. 13:30 will occur.
The Scriptures say that God is everlasting and eternal, without beginning nor being created and will never cease to exist. Life and existence belong wholly to Him. They do not exist outside of God, meaning He did not acquire them from anything outside of Himself. He always has possessed these.
Genesis 21:33 (Eternal)
Isaiah 63:16 (Everlasting)
Isaiah 26:4 (Rock eternal)
Jeremiah 10:10 (the living God, the Eternal King)
Romans 16:26 (Eternal God)
1Tim 1:17 (unto the King eternal immortal)
Hebrews 9:14 (eternal Spirit)
1John 5:20 (He is the true God and Eternal life)
Ps. 93>2 (You are from all eternity)
Deuteronomy 33:27 (Eternal)
1 Chronicles 16:36 (the God of Irael, from everlasting to everlasting)
Nehemiah 9:5 (who is from everlasting to everlasting)
Isaiah 9:6 (Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace)
Isaiah 40:28 (The Lord is the Everlasting God)
Habakkuk 1:12, (O lord, are You not rom everlasting?)
The doctrine of election is described as the "total depravity" of man according to the "TULIP" acronym which was credited toward; but not originated with Calvin's set of beliefs on predestination as one of the elements. Simply put; Christ looked down also and saw that there was no man in Isaiah 63:3; thus he renders justice and we are only made right through His sacrifice. If anyone else could have done it; surely Christ wouldn't have to die on the cross; or have to pray that if possible the cup would be spared
( Luke 22:42). It is obvious from scripture that "all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". ( Romans 3:23). There are; of course many other verses in both Testaments on that subject.
We could say that since Revelation indicates the fate of ALL who are NOT written in the Book of Life is to worship Antichrist ( Rev. 13:8) we all are going to turn away as your quoted verse in Psalms indicates. Obviously; some do come to God; but since repentance is a gift according to scripture ( Acts 11:18); and faith is also mentioned as such in Ephesians 2:8; it becomes clear that all good gifts come from above ( James 1:17).
This doesn't absolve our personal responsibility; and part of this mystery of election involves man's response or lack thereof to the same evidence at least with external appearance. The sticking point comes as indicated when Christ said "why do you call me good"? ( Mark 10:18). Seeing Him as God in the flesh only comes through Divine revelation ( Matthew 16:17). Others see Him as a "good teacher; Prophet or something else as the earlier verses in that passage indicate. Those people are not "spiritually discerned" ( 1 Cor. 2:14).
Finally; going back to Noah we have the lack of salvation available for hybrid offspring of the fallen angels; as well as those angels themselves. Therefore; a universal destruction occured; except for Noah "perfect in his generations" ( Gen. 6:9). This indicates pure human seed; not sinless
Hello Margo. One cannot comment with great clarity or certainty on a matter that is contained in a couple of chapters in Job. From what I read, it appears that Satan did have access to Heaven, as he did on these occasions, but was he allowed right into God's Presence or was his access limited? We know that he is still a spirit being so movement on Earth or in the heavens is not limited. But God does set bounds for spirit & human beings, so it may well be that we can assume this here also.
In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.
How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).
Isaiah 63:9 ....and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE (the Father's presence, the ONLY LIFE there is) saved them.
Christ is the saviour, therefore Christ is the Angel, the messenger of the Father.
Luke 1:19 And the Angel answering him said unto him, I AM Gabriel, that stands in the presence of God ...
Anyone standing in the presence of God, has the LIFE OF GOD.
Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD (ONE LIFE) and Father of ALL (standing in his presence), and above ALL, and through ALL, and IN YOU ALL.
John 14:6 I AM THE LIFE .....
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ in You ....
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and will rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT (in the presence) of the lord (the ONLY LIFE).
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the only Life) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE SPIRIT, and ONE BODY .....
Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, but it (the inheritance) is no more of PROMISE, but God gave it to Abraham by PROMISE.
We have to know what this PROMISE is.
The PROMISE was A SEED.
Luke 8:11 ....THE SEED .....is THE WORD OF GOD.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD (THE SEED), and the WORD (THE SEED) was with God, and the WORD (THE SEED) was God.
Now we know Christ is the SEED, but Christ is also the ANGEL of the Lord; therefore HIS SEED, those born of GOD will also be an angel, because we have become ONE.
Ephesians 2:15 ....for to make IN HIMSELF ONE NEW MAN.
Isaiah 63:9 ....and the ANGEL of HIS (the Father, SPIRIT) presence SAVED THEM.
Christ is the ANGEL.
A SEED always duplicates itself, wheat seed always makes wheat seed, it's a LAW of GOD.
When Christ the SEED is planted in you; at maturity you will be the exact same SEED: two; you and Christ, become ONE.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added for transgressions, till THE SEED (the WORD, Christ); could come to whom the promise was made; and it (the SEED) was ordained by angels (THE SEED of the SEED) in the hand of a mediator.
1 Timothy 2:5 For the is ONE GOD (ONE SEED), and ONE MEDIATOR, between God and MEN; the MAN Jesus Christ (the SEED).
Psalms 82:6 I (the WORD, the SEED) have said ye are gods (SEED made like the SEED planted), all of you are the children of the most HIGH (the SEED).
THE SEED IS ETERNAL LIFE.
1 Timothy 6:16, ...who (the SEED) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light ....
The Last Battle after the Tribulation - In Reply - 2 years ago
Revelation 14:20
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Revelation 19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him (JESUS) that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Revelation 19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his MOUTH: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
[This passage uses the symbolism of grapes in a winepress to describe the eventual defeat of the wicked in the end times. As grapes are crushed and broken to release wine, the bodies of God's enemies will be smashed in a bloody defeat. Taken in absolutely literal terms, this verse describes a cascade of blood some five or six feet (2 meters) high and 180 miles (290 kilometers) long. Most interpreters see this as primarily symbolic. Some suggest that what's described is a 1600-stadia zone of carnage during battle, so violent that blood is splattered as high as the head of a horse.
Whether entirely or partly poetic, one thing is certain: this judgment creates a gory scene. Revelation 19:13 pictures Jesus as having blood on His robe as He rides into warfare against the wicked. Although some believe this is the blood Jesus shed on the cross, others see this as the blood of His enemies. The interpretation that it is the blood of His enemies is supported by the prophetic picture given in Isaiah 63:2-4. Jesus' defeat of His enemies at the end of the tribulation will be absolute and terrible.]
Luke 8:11 Now the PARABLE is this: The SEED is the WORD of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was GOD.
One of God's LAWS is that SEED always MULTIPLIES itself.
NO ONE can plant a wheat seed and harvest a watermelon seed.
If wheat seed is planted; wheat seed is harvested. It's a LAW of God.
The WORD says that the SEED is the WORD, and that WORD is GOD, and God is SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost.
Christ (the man, the angel of the Lord, the Holy Ghost) is THE SEED planted IN US, Christ is the SEED that will be harvested (we, no longer flesh and blood, a man, an angel of the Lord, the Holy Ghost).
The SEED harvested is ALWAYS exactly like the SEED planted.
The HARVEST IS RIPE. We are awaiting the HARVEST, to depart this flesh.
Isaiah 63:9 ....and the Angel of his (the Father's) presence saved them......
Angels are Spirit; but they have GLORIFIED BODIES.
They (angels) are MEN MADE PERFECT, by
The SPIRIT and LIFE and POWER of the FATHER; but with the Body of CHRIST.
Christ was the first man.
Christ was the first angel.
Christ is also the Holy Ghost;
A man (an angel) that is SPIRIT, LIFE and TRUTH, with a glorified body.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE SPIRIT (the Father) and ONE BODY (the Christ).
Judges 6:21 Then the Angel (Christ appeared in the flesh, as a man) of the Lord (the Father) put forth the staff that was in his hand, and touched the FLESH and UNLEAVEND CAKES; AND THERE ROSE UP OUT OF THE ROCK (CHRIST IS THE ROCK) FIRE (our God is a consuming fire Hebrews 12:29) and CONSUMED the FLESH and THE UNLEAVENED CAKES, then the angel of the Lord departed out of his sight (he took on the form of the Holy Ghost, a man in a glorified body).
Isaiah 63:9 .... and the angel (Christ) of HIS PRESENCE (the Father; SPIRIT) SAVED THEM ......
Keep studying, it take lots of time to find all the HIDDEN TRUTH in God's word.
Satan knows that he failed in using the people such as Judas Iscariot; the Romans and the Pharisees to betray and then crucify Christ after the Resurrection occurred. He has another big surprise coming when the saints are all rewarded due to enduring patiently the trials which were largely devised by Satan to buffet God's saints while on the earth. They will come back to fight with Christ and do the subsequent cleanup of earth after that event (in reality we will be spectators of Christ who goes through the vineyard alone ( Isaiah 63:3) but rule and reign with a rod of iron with Christ afterwards. ( Rev. 2:26-27).
The enemy has; as I have brought out on other occasions two primary tactics. One is of outright persecution and the second temptations to put us out of commission. There are several distinct advantages for the second method to be applied instead of the first. We must consider that if someone is taken out through martyrdom that they will no doubt be influencing others who will be continuing to accelerate the Great Commission. This method of seduction allows for infiltration and compromising of groups of people and exponentially infects the church; and we only need to look at today's sad state of affairs in American churches to see evidence of just how effective the last few decades of deception has been. If the enemy is in the camp then of course he can bring God's sore displeasure and we can see how effective that was with the absence of all seven churches listed in Revelation 2 and 3 from modern day Turkey (even if the Philadelphia church was faithful that nation has succumbed to what is likely about to once again be a Muslim Caliphate in the next few years.) Our country is seeing a shocking rise in paganism and Satanism today which of course has infiltrated many houses of worship in thinly disguised methods (such as cards with "Christian" images basically mimicking Tarot cards.)
God the Father granted Christ all authority on heaven and earth which sets forth the ultimate example of how God worked to reward the perfect obedience of Christ. It also goes against Satan's offer to worship him to have such authority. ( Matthew 28:18; Matthew 4:9).
One may question how Christ; who Himself brought all of creation into existence would have such a destiny. ( Colossians 1:16-20). In that situation; one may say that He was the Person to do the work that the Father had planned; and His agent as it were was the Spirit of God (hovering over the waters as it states in Genesis 1:2).
We realize in this that no servant is greater than his master. ( John 15:20). We all are nothing without Him; yet He will likewise exalt the humble with positions to rule and reign with Christ in the Millennium. In some sense we can say that Christ emptied Himself so that He could be our High Priest suffering in all ways but without sin. ( Heb. 4:15). As the second Adam He was able to keep from the temptations of the devil to fall unlike Adam; as well as fulfilling the law perfectly which no man could do. ( 1 Cor. 15:45-47).
It is hard to get our mind around these facts; that He who created all things would start from conception as a helpless babe and end as a sheep to the slaughter ( Isaiah 53:7); the Lamb of God which will forever be ascribed to His Name. Of course all of us who are saved are adopted sons; ( Ephesians 1:5) part of the eternal lineage of the rightous (as contrasted with the earth dwellers in Revelation 11:10).
Christ is returning as conquering king. He alone trods the winepress ( Isaiah 63:3). He alone brings forth the TRUE one world government of peace and rules in righteousness; impartially judging as many verses in Isaiah testify. Some verses can be taken symbolically but to not take Revelation 19 literally or somehow think Christ already returned in some mystical way is heretical thinking (see 2 Tim. 2:18)
We constantly grow in the grace and knowledge of God, only in his time frame, his appointed time to each of his children.
I think there is enough evidence through out the word of God that shows Christ is the angel of the Lord.
Acts 27:23 And there stood before me this night the ANGEL of the Lord, whose I am, and whom I serve.
We serve Christ, the angel (messenger) of the Lord (God).
Galatians 4:14 ....but received me as an angel of God, EVEN AS Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 63:9 In all their (creations) affections he (Christ) was afflicted, and the ANGEL of HIS (God's) presence SAVED them, in his (God's) love and his (God's) pity he (God) redeemed (through Christ, God's does all things through Christ) and bare them, and
carried them all the days of old.
There is many more scriptures, I like you try to keep comment short.
God BLESS YOU as we grow together in the knowledge of God.
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE body ... ONE Spirit ....
Ephesians 4:5 ..... ONE God ..... Father of ALL .... even angels .... above all ..... through you all .... and IN YOU ALL .....even angels.
1 Corinthians 15:28 ..... that God may be ALL in ALL .....even angels .....
Psalms 103:20 ....ye HIS ANGELS ......
Romans 8:29 ...conformed to the IMAGE of HIS SON ....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they died anymore, for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS (Christ being the angel of the Lord, and they were resurrected in his image), and are the children of God, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
God BLESS YOU!
May I add a little bit of my understanding to your understanding, which are parallel to each other.
We are taught by God, the Spirit of truth and life that gives us existence.
God is Spirit, invisible, yet he wants to be known and seen, so he created a BODY, and he called that MAN Christ (Adam) the beginning of creation.
Through that MAN, Christ. he does ALL THE WORKS of the Almighty God, so truth and life CAN BE SEEN.
Christ can appear in a body of flesh, or he can be the SPIRIT of prophecy, he is omnipresent as is his Father.
We cannot exist without the SPIRIT of God, through Christ, giving us LIFE, just as Christ, a BODY, cannot exist without the Spirit of his Father giving him LIFE.
Christ commended HIS Spirit, the Spirit of HIS Father back to God who gave him LIFE, thus his body DIED on the cross, for the SALVATION of God's creation.
When God put his Spirit back into Christ he RESURRECTED all creation ANEW, the IMAGE of GOD, the body of Christ.
When we are MATURE in the TRUTH and LIFE of God, Christ will sent his angels to harvest us, in the twinkling of an eye we will PUT ON CHRIST, the express IMAGE and GLORY of GOD.
Christ told his disciples I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am, there will you be also.
At present Christ is indwelling creation revealing the KINGDOM of God to creation.
Isaiah 63:9 ...and the ANGEL of HIS presence SAVED them ....
Colossians 1:27 ... thist mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU ......
That where I am ye may be also.
Revelation 10:11 ... Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATION, BAPTIZING in the NAME .....
His disciples never understood till pentecost that they would not be able to TEACH ALL NATION, until they had been harvested and become the express IMAGE and Glory of God, all by the WORKS of Christ RESURRECTION.
God Bless YOU!
God is angry with the nations as well as individuals. Revelation 11:18 begins a discussion of God's wrath and it is accomplished when the winepress is trod alone by Christ ( Isaiah 63:3) which mirrors Armageddon as described in Revelation 19; but also the campaign of the Exekiel 38 war and the nations God destroys in the process.
In such a topic; of course we see other attributes of God balancing things such as wrath and anger with patience and longsuffering of the Lord; for instance. In all this discussion it is important to see how a balanced picture of our Lord brings a better focus as to who He is. We can't just focus on anger or there is no hope for His love; but the same holds true for those who only want to hear "encouraging" verses in scripture. As famously stated we either have all of Christ or we have in reality none of Him. We must take the whole counsel of the Word of God rather than cherry picking what we want as context gets thrown out the window at best with that mindset; and at worst whole doctrinal truths are cast aside. Such is the action of such deists as Benjamin Franklin apparently. The flesh really doesn't even comprehend God's love; for human love and its vicissitudes clearly can't be trusted ( Jeremiah 17:9) as our heart is desperately wicked and who can know it? God judges impartially and is not a "respecter of persons" ( Romans 2:11-16; Acts 10:34). He is entirely righteous and no one can argue with Him once judgment comes. As Psalm 2 states we should "kiss the Son" while He is in the way so that His anger doesn't make us perish (verse 12; loosely translated). God's terms are having Christ as our mediator and High Priest because He can't look upon sin ( Heb. 9:15; Habakkuk 1:13). God will thankfully bring His own people to completion and hence the new heaven and earth will have nations of righteous people serving God; both the survivors of the Tribulation and Resurrected/Raptured saints.
I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, and the praises of the Lord, according to all that the Lord hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they REBELLED, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he -THE HOLY SPIRIT- was turned to be their ENEMY, and he FOUGHT against them.
11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Psalm 51:11-13
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Matthew 13:30 Let them grow together (the wheat and the tares) ......but gather the wheat into the barn ....
Job 39:12 Wilt thou believe him (a prophecy of the Messiah), that he (Christ) may bring home the SEED (the word of God), and gather it (the word of God)(the SEED)(the WHEAT)(all symbols of CHRIST) into the barn (a symbol of the TEMPLE)
John 12:24 ... except a corn of WHEAT (SEED)(word of God)(CHRIST) fall into the ground (the grave)and DIE, it (Christ)(the WORD)(the SEED) (the WHEAT) abideth alone, but if it (Christ, the SEED, the WORD, the WHEAT) DIE, it (CHRIST) bringeth forth much FRUIT.
Wheat makes more WHEAT, Christ makes MORE CHRIST.
Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE body .... ONE Spirit ....
John 17:22 .... that they may be ONE as we are ONE ......
Christ ONLY was raised from the DEAD.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIED ANYMORE: but they are EQUAL to the ANGELS, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
Isaiah 63:9 ... and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM ....
God bless you.
I am going to let the word of God answer the questions you ask.
You ask: Did the apostle Paul commit sin after he was saved.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN of GOD doeth not commit sin, for his (GOD'S) SEED remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin because he is BORN of God.
You ask: in 100 years will I be alive in physical body? YES!
John 11:26 Whosoever liveth and believeth in me (the SEED) shall NEVER DIE, believest thou this?
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the SEED) DIE ANYMORE (they died with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS (angles have Christ's resurrected body); and are the children (SONS, like Christ) of God, being the children (SEED) of the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (Christ's SEED) a body as it has pleased him, to every SEED his (Christ's) OWN BODY.
You ask: do I every commit sin. NO!
Galatians 2:20 .....I am DEAD, nonetheless I LIVE, YET NOT I, but Christ LIVETH IN ME .... ALL creation DIED on the cross ....ONLY ONE SEED (Christ) arose ....
You ask: What does it mean to be born again.
To believe the WORD's Of GOD.
You can not be BORN again until you BELIEVE YOUR DEAD, only Christ is alive.
You ask: Where is Paul living and in what form:
Luke 20:36 ...EQUAL to the angles .... the IMAGE of CHRIST ...... Christ is the ANGEL of GOD ......
Isaiah 63:8 .... and the ANGEL of his (God's) presence SAVED them ..... Paul is living IN and BY the presence of Christ, in the body of Christ ...
Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery ..... Christ in you .....
1 Corinthians 12:27 ... ye are the BODY of Christ ....
God bless YOU!
As you probably are aware; many elements of the Exodus are similar to what goes on during the Tribulation judgments; such as water being turned into blood andarkness being brought to part of the earth. The hardening of Pharoah is much like the Antichrist after he rids himself of the two witnesses (a bit like Moses and Aaron in their prophesying). We see the physical preservation of those that escape the "flood" that comes out of the mouth of the Beast ( Rev. 12:15)-called the serpent. Much like the Egyptians on their suicidal mission to get the Jews back we see Antichrist and his armies fighting Christ at His return ( Psalm 2). There are some who physically survive and thus; are judged as to whether they are true believers or just rebels from the remnant who haven't taken the mark of the Beast among the Jews; it would seem. It is a sobering thought that circumstances don't change sheep from goats; as we see another rebellion at the end of the Millenium after a world that is as close to Paradise as mortal man can experience.
On this day; of course we are reminded of Christ's sacrificial death; atonement and ultimate Resurrection defeating death and hell as a result of our sins which He took on when nailed to the cross. Isaiah 63:3 and many other passages demonstrate that the wrath of God must be satisfied either in His method of substitutionary sacrifice or in His wrath at Armageddon when He judges the world or at the death of all unregenerate individuals suffering their eternal fate separated from God in hell.
Let us live consistent with being a peculiar people ( 1 Peter 2:9); also referencing our priesthood (it is good to read the whole verse). The hidden inner man is what contrasts us from the rest of the world; not an outside veneer of religion.
Part 2.
Continuing with just a few of the Day of the Lord verses.
Zephaniah 1:15
Isaiah 13:9
Lamentations 2:1
Isaiah 13:13
Isaiah 51:22
Jeremiah 25:15
Revelation 16:19
Revelation 14:10
Revelation 16:1
Isaiah 63:1-6.
This is what Paul is telling them is not at hand. This is what we all agree on besides a few that the Church will not see.
However some see the Rapture in Revelation 20:4-6 sadly mistaking it for the Resurrection.
That would place the Church on the Earth during the wrath of the Lord that comes upon all the Earth.
When we take 2 Thessalonians 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition;
Paul gives them the sequence of events in chronological order of what happens "AFTER" that what he reminded them of previously in
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
That's why he opens up saying "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by "OUR" gathering together unto him," 2 Thessalonians 2:1.
Paul included them and himself in this gathering! So did they see the son of perdition? No.
We take 2 Thessalonians 2:3 with the following scriptures to pitch our viewpoint. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-15.
The son of perdition can't come while the light bearers is in the world. The Church! Who sits in the midst of the Church? Christ/His Holyspirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:6-8.
God bless.
......But here is what happens satan comes and sows another seed in our heart....Then we are involved in war in heaven...Violence in heaven....The good seed the wheat is a baby Christ ...But the Tare becomes another satan..But Jesus said to let them grow together till the Harvest....Whosoever receives one such Child in my name receves me....The reason i say the wheat is a baby Christ is b/c the sower of that good seed is CHRIST THE BRIDEGROOM.....They don't call Jesus the bridegroom for nothin....God Almighty wants Jesus seed so the great promise of multiplication of Gods will happen....Children that cannot lie so he was their savior / father... Isaiah 63:8...Thus an ISRAEL of God....that are gonna be as the stars of heaven....Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect...But this war is raging with in us ...Thus the wheat the baby Christ is in prison spiritually to the TARES....Thats y Paul was saying when i wd do good evil is present with me....I cannot do what i want to do O wretched man that i am. Alex GBU
Psalms 17:15 As for ME (Christ), I will behold thy (the Father and God of Christ) face: I (Christ) will be satisfied, when I (Christ) awake (am resurrected, by the Father's SPIRIT), with THY (the Father's) likeness.
Romans 6:5 For if were be planted TOGETHER (you and Christ) in the likeness of his (Christ) DEATH; we shall also be the LIKENESS of HIS RESURRECTION.
Genesis 5:1 In that DAY (the day of the LORD; ALL MEN died with Christ and all MEN were resurrected with Christ) that God created man ( BY the resurrection), in the LIKENESS of GOD created he them.
Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth THY (the Father of ALL ( Ephesians 4:6) SPIRIT, THEY (all men) are CREATED; thou renewest the face of the earth.
Ezekiel 1:5 And out if the MIDST thereof (Christ) there came forth four LIVING CREATIONS, And this was their appearance, they (the new creation) had the appearance of A MAN (Christ).
Ezekiel 10:10 And as for the for their appearances (the LIVING CREATIONS), they four (the new creation) had ONE LIKENESS, as a WHEEL (Christ) in the MIDST of a WHEEL (Christ).
Colossians 1:27 ..this MYSTERY (of his resurrection) ... CHRIST IN YOU ..
Romans 8:28 For whom he (the Father of ALL) did foreknow, He (the Father) did predistinate (by the resurrection of Christ) to be conformed to the IMAGE (God) of his son, that he (Christ) might be the FIRSTBORN among many (cloned by his resurrection) BRETHREN.
Psalms 82:6 For I (the Father) have said, YE (my new creation, by your brother's resurrection) ARE GODS, the children of the most high.
John 10:35 If he (our Father, the WORD) called them (the new creation, by resurrection) GODS, unto WHOM the word of GOD CAME ( Hebrews 9:28), the scripture CANNOT be BROKEN.
Luke 20:36 Neither can THEY (the new creation) DIED ANYMORE (you died with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS ( Isaiah 63:9...and the ANGEL of HIS (Christ in YOU) PRESENCE SAVED THEM.
Do YOU BELIEVE God's WORD?
Isaiah 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM: in his love and his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one UNTO SATAN for the DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH, that the SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED in the day of the LORD JESUS.
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alesander, whom I have delivered unto SATAN, that they MAY LEARN not to blaspheme.
Some WORDS OF GOD TO MEDITATE ON
I also found it's used with the HOLY Spirit in Old Testament in Isaiah 63:10, Holy: translation as ( qodesh )
with searching site word search & then referenced Strongs Exhaustive Concordance on site.
& Isaiah 11:12 as And the Spirit, of the LORD (Yhovah) transliteration (Yhvh)
Spirit (ruwach) used 3 times in same verse, prophetic of Jesus CHRIST, awesome
What is good and evil? To get a definition we must first adhere to God's standards rather than our own; while acknowledging that His ways are higher than ours. For instance; we are not commanded to fight against the whole world of wicked man and the Antichrist and False Prophet and usher in God's Kingdom. There are some Dominionists who seem to go pretty far in that direction though; acting like Christ coming in vengeance ( Isaiah 63:3) is going to somehow be preceded by a red carpet welcoming mat of a world that is subjugated to Christianity. That isn't even what Post Mil reformers are saying! In any case a mass slaughter of most of the surviving earth at the end of the Tribulation isn't something that would be classified as good for anyone but the King of Kings. No doubt; of course Antichrist will beforehand attempt to justify his wars of conquest as a "man of peace" and when that is proven to be wrong; as the only one who can fight God who will be; to put it mildly called unjust.
To the world; Psalm 2 will seem like a way to "loosen their fetters" so to speak; this will seem like the ultimate revolutionary act to do for the world against those "aliens" attempting to invade the earth!
The other side of the coin; of course is the concept of what exactly "good" is. We know that God Himself can do no wrong; and is love itself ( Job 34:12; 1 John 4:8). We know that no one does good and all are estranged from the womb ( Romans 3:12; Psalms 14:3). Christ mentions this with those who are "evil" that give good gifts to their children. ( Luke 11:13). Therefore; the action may be the same among the regenerate and unsaved; but the motivations will be different; for instance pride of self or family; or an attempt to appease God and men through behaviors. This may be why the young man wasn't disputed when he said that he obeyed certain things since a youth. ( Matthew 19:20 and elsewhere). Hidden covetousness was thus exposed.
Apparently David was in charge of and/or led several campaigns in an area that is somewhat disputed today as to the exact location(s) due to the topography and changes in the landscape since Biblical times. Nonetheless I am unaware of any great miracles of God causing the earth to shift such as in verse 2.
The whole area surrounding Jerusalem in the territory God promised a includes not only the area already conquered and allotted to tribes but surrounding territories (verses 6-8). These larger regions and the other references seeming to indicate a larger judgment probably are prophetic to things which will happen in the end times. The trumpet and bowl judgments will affect the whole world with earthquakes; and the "wine of astonishment" referred to in verse 3 is found in Isaiah; Jeremiah; Ezekiel and a later Psalm as well as of course describing Babylon the Great in Revelation 17 and 18. Of course the Book of Lamentations involving the Babylonian captivity also caused great famine and cannibalism as a horrible sign resulting from the abominable sins that God forewarned about that would cause such things to be unleashed. That is also a warning today to Israel who will have to go through the fire in the Tribulation for national revival to finally occur.
Further evidence of future prophecy is seen in verses 10-12. Edom is mentioned in the Book of Hosea with last day fulfillments as well. Christ coming down to earth is mentioned in Zechariah 14. He will; of course tread down His enemies in the wine of His wrath alone ( Isaiah 63:3) as well as Revelation 19.
Perhaps these themes were an encouragement to David as well as us that eventually all of the territory God promised in the promise of the Covenant He gave to Abraham will be fulfilled.
Suleiman in 1540 apparently sealed the eastern gate in Jerusalem; which is apparently where the Messiah is going to return at the Second Coming (or shortly thereafter after defeating His enemies). We can see this in the beginning of Ezekiel 43 as well as Ezekiel 44 in the closing of the gate. There are other scriptures in Nehemiah and Zechariah which point to the glory of the Lord to the east as well.
The repeated theme in verses 7 through 10 could also refer to Christ's triumphant return to the heavenly city and throne when He sat at the right hand of God after accomplishing His work here on earth ( Acts 2:33; Hebrews 10:12 and about 100 ADDITIONAL cross references to that affect!)
When we see His triumphant return; His vestures are dipped in blood. ( Rev. 19:13; Isaiah 63:3). It is certainly possible that when He first entered heaven there was some of the blood from His atonement placed there ( Hebrews 9:12). I would take this verse literally; although there is commentary from some famous people (I will leave unnamed) who say to the contrary.
A couple other themes seen in verses 1 and 2 show the original earth and that after the flood that God established. To be in heaven according to verses 3 through 5 have certain characteristics. We need to heed not swearing deceitfully as well; for any covenant or vow before God is something we are to keep our end on (and I am placing the marriage covenant there as well). God is eternal therefore not planning to change His covenants; with the exception of the New Covenant that He established abrogating the sacrifices of the O.T. for a better one ( Matt. 26:28; etc.) Verse 6 states a generation of them that seek Him; that could be the whole resurrected group of saints; or the Millennial generation born on earth after He comes; or both.
Relevant today : Ezekiel 13:22,23
Acts 5:1-10 in context Acts 4:32-37, continued into Acts 5,
Wisdom about : Proverbs 14:5-25, Proverbs 29:12, John 8:42-44 in context John 8,
Psalms 40:4, Isaiah 63:8, Zephaniah 3:13,
God did not come from anywhere. He has existed always. He had no beginning and will never ceases to be. This is why He gave Moses His name as "I AM WHO I AM" or "I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE" which speaks to being everlasting, eternal, being self-existent. This means that God is Life Itself. His existence is derived only from Himself, not having acquired life or existence outside of Himself. Existence is internally Who He Is. In many places in the Scriptures God speaks of Himself as the Eternal God, Everlasting Father, Everlasting to Everlasting, ( Isaiah 63:16; 1 Chronicles 16:36; 29:10; Psalm 41:13; 90:2; Isaiah 9:6; 40:26; Psalm 93:2; Genesis 21:33; Jeremiah 10:10, etc.)
We are to understand by these Scriptures that God always IS eternally so. He alone has this eternal existence, that is why He alone is the only true God. Hope this helps.
The warnings in verse 9 about not taking the mark of the Beast and eternal damnation also is preached by an angel. Verses 12 and 13 show those who will still die; and the "patience" of the saints. They will rest after their labors.
The rest of the chapter shows the judgment of the nations at Armageddon; and perhaps in the bigger picture with the bloodbath to come. Various angels are seen with sickles (v. 16 and 17) who are given instruction by the angel in verse 15. Verses 18 and 19 show those that are grapes; those who will be trodden by the wrath of the winepress of God ( Isaiah 63:3). It seems unclear if the angels in v. 15-17 are gathering the righteous (as it would seem from preceeding verses); or the wicked. There is the possibility that it would be those who will not fight in battle who are the tares. God isn't mentioned specifically or a heavenly view of saints; in general Matt. 13:30 will occur.
Christ is the BODY of his Father's PRESENCE.
We are the Body of Christ's PRESENCE.
Isaiah 63:9 ....and the angel of HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM ........
Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE Spirit (the only life)......One Body (that hold's that Life) ......
Ephesians 4:6 .....ONE God .....and Father of ALL ...and above ALL ....and through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL ....
God Bless YOU, his body.
I concur with Jesse.
The Scriptures say that God is everlasting and eternal, without beginning nor being created and will never cease to exist. Life and existence belong wholly to Him. They do not exist outside of God, meaning He did not acquire them from anything outside of Himself. He always has possessed these.
Genesis 21:33 (Eternal)
Isaiah 63:16 (Everlasting)
Isaiah 26:4 (Rock eternal)
Jeremiah 10:10 (the living God, the Eternal King)
Romans 16:26 (Eternal God)
1Tim 1:17 (unto the King eternal immortal)
Hebrews 9:14 (eternal Spirit)
1John 5:20 (He is the true God and Eternal life)
Ps. 93>2 (You are from all eternity)
Deuteronomy 33:27 (Eternal)
1 Chronicles 16:36 (the God of Irael, from everlasting to everlasting)
Nehemiah 9:5 (who is from everlasting to everlasting)
Isaiah 9:6 (Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace)
Isaiah 40:28 (The Lord is the Everlasting God)
Habakkuk 1:12, (O lord, are You not rom everlasting?)
Isaiah 57:15 (the Lofty One, who lives forever
Hope these help.
( Luke 22:42). It is obvious from scripture that "all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". ( Romans 3:23). There are; of course many other verses in both Testaments on that subject.
We could say that since Revelation indicates the fate of ALL who are NOT written in the Book of Life is to worship Antichrist ( Rev. 13:8) we all are going to turn away as your quoted verse in Psalms indicates. Obviously; some do come to God; but since repentance is a gift according to scripture ( Acts 11:18); and faith is also mentioned as such in Ephesians 2:8; it becomes clear that all good gifts come from above ( James 1:17).
This doesn't absolve our personal responsibility; and part of this mystery of election involves man's response or lack thereof to the same evidence at least with external appearance. The sticking point comes as indicated when Christ said "why do you call me good"? ( Mark 10:18). Seeing Him as God in the flesh only comes through Divine revelation ( Matthew 16:17). Others see Him as a "good teacher; Prophet or something else as the earlier verses in that passage indicate. Those people are not "spiritually discerned" ( 1 Cor. 2:14).
Finally; going back to Noah we have the lack of salvation available for hybrid offspring of the fallen angels; as well as those angels themselves. Therefore; a universal destruction occured; except for Noah "perfect in his generations" ( Gen. 6:9). This indicates pure human seed; not sinless
In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.
How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).
Christ is the Angel of the Lord (the Father).
Christ is the highest ranked Angel.
Christ is Michael the Archangel.
Christ is the Prince.
Isaiah 63:9 ....and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE (the Father's presence, the ONLY LIFE there is) saved them.
Christ is the saviour, therefore Christ is the Angel, the messenger of the Father.
Luke 1:19 And the Angel answering him said unto him, I AM Gabriel, that stands in the presence of God ...
Anyone standing in the presence of God, has the LIFE OF GOD.
Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD (ONE LIFE) and Father of ALL (standing in his presence), and above ALL, and through ALL, and IN YOU ALL.
John 14:6 I AM THE LIFE .....
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ in You ....
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and will rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT (in the presence) of the lord (the ONLY LIFE).
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the only Life) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE SPIRIT, and ONE BODY .....
God Bless You!
Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, but it (the inheritance) is no more of PROMISE, but God gave it to Abraham by PROMISE.
We have to know what this PROMISE is.
The PROMISE was A SEED.
Luke 8:11 ....THE SEED .....is THE WORD OF GOD.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD (THE SEED), and the WORD (THE SEED) was with God, and the WORD (THE SEED) was God.
Now we know Christ is the SEED, but Christ is also the ANGEL of the Lord; therefore HIS SEED, those born of GOD will also be an angel, because we have become ONE.
Ephesians 2:15 ....for to make IN HIMSELF ONE NEW MAN.
Isaiah 63:9 ....and the ANGEL of HIS (the Father, SPIRIT) presence SAVED THEM.
Christ is the ANGEL.
A SEED always duplicates itself, wheat seed always makes wheat seed, it's a LAW of GOD.
When Christ the SEED is planted in you; at maturity you will be the exact same SEED: two; you and Christ, become ONE.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added for transgressions, till THE SEED (the WORD, Christ); could come to whom the promise was made; and it (the SEED) was ordained by angels (THE SEED of the SEED) in the hand of a mediator.
1 Timothy 2:5 For the is ONE GOD (ONE SEED), and ONE MEDIATOR, between God and MEN; the MAN Jesus Christ (the SEED).
Psalms 82:6 I (the WORD, the SEED) have said ye are gods (SEED made like the SEED planted), all of you are the children of the most HIGH (the SEED).
THE SEED IS ETERNAL LIFE.
1 Timothy 6:16, ...who (the SEED) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light ....
God Bless YOU!
And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Revelation 19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him (JESUS) that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Revelation 19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his MOUTH: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
[This passage uses the symbolism of grapes in a winepress to describe the eventual defeat of the wicked in the end times. As grapes are crushed and broken to release wine, the bodies of God's enemies will be smashed in a bloody defeat. Taken in absolutely literal terms, this verse describes a cascade of blood some five or six feet (2 meters) high and 180 miles (290 kilometers) long. Most interpreters see this as primarily symbolic. Some suggest that what's described is a 1600-stadia zone of carnage during battle, so violent that blood is splattered as high as the head of a horse.
Whether entirely or partly poetic, one thing is certain: this judgment creates a gory scene. Revelation 19:13 pictures Jesus as having blood on His robe as He rides into warfare against the wicked. Although some believe this is the blood Jesus shed on the cross, others see this as the blood of His enemies. The interpretation that it is the blood of His enemies is supported by the prophetic picture given in Isaiah 63:2-4. Jesus' defeat of His enemies at the end of the tribulation will be absolute and terrible.]
Luke 8:11 Now the PARABLE is this: The SEED is the WORD of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was GOD.
One of God's LAWS is that SEED always MULTIPLIES itself.
NO ONE can plant a wheat seed and harvest a watermelon seed.
If wheat seed is planted; wheat seed is harvested. It's a LAW of God.
The WORD says that the SEED is the WORD, and that WORD is GOD, and God is SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost.
Christ (the man, the angel of the Lord, the Holy Ghost) is THE SEED planted IN US, Christ is the SEED that will be harvested (we, no longer flesh and blood, a man, an angel of the Lord, the Holy Ghost).
The SEED harvested is ALWAYS exactly like the SEED planted.
The HARVEST IS RIPE. We are awaiting the HARVEST, to depart this flesh.
Isaiah 63:9 ....and the Angel of his (the Father's) presence saved them......
God Bless YOU!
Colossains 1:27 ....this mystery ....Christ in you .....
Is not God's presence now IN US?
Is not Truth and LIFE now IN US?
We are ONLY the BODY (of Christ), Christ is the LIFE.
The only thing left to be perfect, is putting off this body of corruption and putting on a body of incorruption (putting on Christ).
And we shall forever be in the PRESENCE (likeness of Christ) of GOD.
Isaiah 63:9 In all their affliction (we the body) HE (the life) was afflicted, and the ANGEL (Christ) if HIS (the Spirit's) PRESENCE SAVE THEM ......
God Bless You!
Angels are Spirit; but they have GLORIFIED BODIES.
They (angels) are MEN MADE PERFECT, by
The SPIRIT and LIFE and POWER of the FATHER; but with the Body of CHRIST.
Christ was the first man.
Christ was the first angel.
Christ is also the Holy Ghost;
A man (an angel) that is SPIRIT, LIFE and TRUTH, with a glorified body.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE SPIRIT (the Father) and ONE BODY (the Christ).
Judges 6:21 Then the Angel (Christ appeared in the flesh, as a man) of the Lord (the Father) put forth the staff that was in his hand, and touched the FLESH and UNLEAVEND CAKES; AND THERE ROSE UP OUT OF THE ROCK (CHRIST IS THE ROCK) FIRE (our God is a consuming fire Hebrews 12:29) and CONSUMED the FLESH and THE UNLEAVENED CAKES, then the angel of the Lord departed out of his sight (he took on the form of the Holy Ghost, a man in a glorified body).
Isaiah 63:9 .... and the angel (Christ) of HIS PRESENCE (the Father; SPIRIT) SAVED THEM ......
Keep studying, it take lots of time to find all the HIDDEN TRUTH in God's word.
God Bless You!