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Hey SolaScrip,

Is there scripture outside Revelation that confirms an exact 1000 years? The answer is no. Are there false teachers out there? The answer is yes, there are many, 1 John 4:1. Are there scriptures that say the Son of God will reign on earth? The answer is yes. Psalm 2:6-9 Psalm 22:27-31 Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 9:6-7 Isaiah 24:21-23 Jeremiah 23:5 Ezekiel 20:33-44 Ezekiel 39:21-29 Zechariah 2:10-13 Zechariah 8:2-3 Zechariah 14:1-9 Matthew 19:28 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 20:4 and more.

Is there any scripture that says people will go to or reign in heaven? The answer is no. Are there scriptures that say the elect will reign with Jesus on earth? The answer is yes. Daniel 7:27 2 Timothy 2:11-13 Revelation 5:10. Are there scriptures that describe how things change after Jesus returns? The answer is yes. Zechariah 8:4 Isaiah 11 Isaiah 60:15 Isaiah 65:18-25. These people will be alive on the second coming of Jesus, they will have the opportunity to live longer if they choose to obey God.

Are there things that have not been revealed to us? The answer is, yes? Jesus will return and set up the kingdom here on earth and He will put all enemies under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25. Will death still be during the time Jesus is ruling? The answer is yes. The purpose is to fulfill the rest of the scriptures with Jesus, Israel, the Gentiles, and creation that has not yet been fulfilled.

The only scripture that gives us 1000 years is Revelation, but many scriptures tell us the kingdom will be set up on earth. We have these, Numbers 14:21 Psalms 115:16 Micah 4:1-3 Matthew 5:5 Matthew 6:10. Not to debate, with the time it will take I cannot say the 1000 years are false.

God bless,

RLW

Solascrip.

How about before we accept you invite to what seems to be an debate how about you give us your take on these verses.

Isaiah 65:14-25.

Revelation 20:4-8.

And the contradictions you mentioned. And then we peacefully engage.

God bless.

And thanks in advance.

Isaiah 65:17 says, "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." Some interpret Isaiah 65:17 as saying that we will have no memory of our earthly lives in heaven.

HOWEVER, one verse earlier in Isaiah 65:16, the Bible says, "For the past troubles will be forgotten and hidden from my eyes."

It is likely only our "past troubles" will be forgotten, not all of our memories. Our memories will eventually be cleansed, redeemed, healed, and restored, not erased. There is no reason why we could not possess many memories from our earthly lives. The memories that will be cleansed are the ones that involve sin, pain, and sadness. Revelation 21:4 declares, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

Many people die on the operating table and are resuscitated, and report seeing Jesus or long dead relatives, friends, pets.

And the lion shall lie down with the lamb." - Contemporary Quote, Not Bible. I would say that 99% of the people you ask would say that this quote can be found in the Bible. I went to the Bible to find the source. Yes, I knew exactly where in Isaiah to go, but to my disappointment it wasn't there. And so I checked different versions; King James, New King James, NIV, NAS, and others. Not in any of those either. So what's the story?

Like many of today's sayings, such as "you cannot change a leopard's spots", "pride goes before a fall", "a drop in the bucket", the quote "the lion shall lie down with the lamb" does have its origins in the Bible. However, the saying has morphed over the centuries to what we see and hear today. The original concept comes from these two passages in the book of Isaiah.

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them." - Isaiah 11:6 NKJV

"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, the lion shall eat straw like the ox." - Isaiah 65:25 NKJV

So the quote is more closely, "the wolf shall lie down with the lamb" or "the leopard shall lie down with the lamb". But of course, given that the lion is considered to be the king of beasts, and creates a greater contrast between predator and prey, the lion won the day. And so today when we seek peace, we look to the image put forth by the quote the lion shall lie down with the lamb as our picture of heaven.

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Dear Cathleen,

God will create a new heaven and new earth.

Revelation 21:1

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

I believe that the new earth that God will create will be inhabited by people and animals, because God tells us so.

Isaiah 65:25

"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD."

All of the people and animals will be different than we are today. The new heaven and earth will be total love! Everyone loving and getting along!

We will all be pet lovers in Heaven, and on the New Earth!

God Bless.

Hello Cathleen Lovell,

I'd like to first address that if you lost a pet you loved. I'm sorry for your sadness. GOD has compassion Psalms 145:8-9, Matthew 10:29,

The scriptures do not say "all dogs go to heaven" however there are hints of some creatures.

Isaiah 65:25, Mark 16:15,

It says all beast shall give account of mans blood Genesis 9:5,6,

GOD cares so much for us that HE gave us HIS Son for our Salvation John 3:15-16, knowledge of this helps us trust HIM with everything for HE made it all, All of creation John 1:1, 1 John 4:18,

Hopefully these are helpful

Brother Ronald. Those (CHOSEN) have their part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection). The chosen want be in the second resurrection.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection of the dead (we are dead in our trespasses, sinful flesh) ....

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die anymore (they died the first death, their life for the life of Christ), for they are equal unto the angel; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the SEED) a body as it has pleased him, and to every SEED his (CHRIST'S) own body.

The chosen are called to be priest, under their High Priest, Christ, in the kingdom on earth, when all other flesh has been resurrected, to judgement.

Jeremiah 51:19-23

Isaiah 65:12-17

Isaiah 66:18-24

The above scriptures, and others not listed, is the white throne judgement.

Luke 23:29, Isaiah 54:1, these scriptures exist too. When other women say._..

Luke 1:25, 1 Samuel 1:6, women have cruelly mocked other women many times over this issue & others.

Remember GOD justifies Romans 8:33, Psalms 22:24, be encouraged sis

Proverbs 16:9, Romans 5:1, James 2:22-25,

However the root argument sometimes stem from situational issues of choice which people may be referring to Genesis 38:6-10, then continued reading Tamar was considered "more righteous" Genesis 38:26, pursuing offspring of her dead husbands lineage, which was significant either in justification, reward or preplanned destiny. Matthew 1:3, Genesis 38:29, she is written in the documentation of Jesus lineage. Hebrews 11,

Additional scripture

Act 17:28-29, Malachi 2:15, Isaiah 65:21-24, on their perspective

I hope this was encouraging & helpful

I believe this is a principal that is biblical when we look into GOD's promises, HIS WORD, the accounts where GOD moves in & stops evil, changes events that seem impossible, overcoming. Exodus, Genesis, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, Ester, etc.

Mathew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33, Psalm 37:1-40,

2 Corinthians 5:17, Isaiah 48:6, Revelation 21:5, 2 Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:1,

Mathew 6:30-33

Hopefully this is helpful & encouraging.

Why are we not now - in the present, living out Isaiah 11:6-9? - Which tells us that the coming Kingdom will be free of harm. Isaiah 65:25, Hosea 2:18, Ezekiel 34:25, Romans 14:17.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.

It seems to me there is absolutely no reason to slaughter any sentient beings other than to fill our stomachs with rotting flesh. This practice does not paint a picture of the peaceable kingdom in the garden of Eden. Animal husbandry is barbaric-inhumane-void of compassion.

"Compassion, in which all ethics must take root, can only attain its full breadth and depth if it embraces all living creatures and does not limit itself to mankind." Albert Schweitzer

"I believe in my heart that faith in Jesus Christ can and will lead us beyond an exclusive concern for the well being of other human beings to the broader concern for the well-being of the birds in our backyard, the fish in our rivers, and every living creature on the face of the earth." John Wesley, Christian Theologian.

"I am persuaded you are not insensible to the pain given to every Christian, every humane heart, by those savage diversions, bull-baiting, cock-fighting, horse-racing, and hunting." John Wesley

In Genesis 9:3 God gave Noah the permission to eat animal flesh. This was a concession to man's sinfulness. But when you look at the verse in it's context, it is clear that God is only grudgingly giving humans this permission. "Vegetarianism practiced in the Garden of Eden ( Gen. 1:29-30, 2:16), and the prophecy that natural predators will live together peacefully in the future (Is 11:6-8), suggest that the eating of animal flesh isn't God's ideal." Steve W. Bemke

In the presence of Jehovah

Lino

On Isaiah 65.

Verse 1 caught my eye when He said " I am sought of them that ask not for me; I am found of them that sought me not. Whether we ask not He is always there to help us. He knows what our needs are before we ask. Psalms 100:3 says it is God that hath made us not we ourselves. He knows our going out and coming in. I thank Him for always being there for me during both my good and bad times. I read this chapter and comments through watery eyes. This proves that God is waiting for us to come to Him, He has the answer.

Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I know you believe I spiritalize every thing to much, but I believe that's were the real truth lies.

Daniel 12:11 And from the TIME the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).

I agree with you about the FIRST abomination in the temple (all physical).

I BELIEVE, the SECOND time will be in the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE (within us).

The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection.

Isaiah 65:4 (This verse isn't LITERAL; like the first abomination, but a shadow of the second). Which remain among the graves (dead in trespasses), and lodge in monuments (we want to be a god in our flesh), which eat swine's flesh (instead of Christ flesh) (symbolic). and broth of abominable things IS IN their vessels (WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, we are the bowls (pots or vessels) on the alter).

At the end of your comments you said the second abomination that makes desolate would be "LIKE" the first. I don't know whether you were saying the second would also be in a physical temple, or was

like the first, being a shadow.

1 Corinthians 15:46 First the natural, then the spiritual.

Food for thought; the SPIRIT reveals.

Brother Leon, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I BELIEVE the Spirit is revealing hidden truths to you. I will show you one of those hidden truths He has revealed to me.

The answer to every question is hidden somewhere in God's word.

Question? Who are the fowls of the air?

The answer is found in the parable of the sower.

Luke 8:5 A sower (Christ) went out to sow his SEED (word or God): and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the FOWLS OF THE AIR devoured it.

This parable is one of the few Jesus explained.

Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the DEVIL...

The FOWLS OF THE AIR are the DEVIL.

The fowls of the air (Satan) represent scavengers (vultures) and birds of prey (eagles). They (Satan) DEVOUR flesh and CONSUME dead flesh. Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto SATAN (fowls of the air), that they learn not to blaspheme.

1 Corinthians 5:5 To DELIVER such an one unto SATAN for the DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be save in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Isaiah 65:25 ....and DUST (flesh) shall be the serpent's (Satan) meat .....

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS that fly in the midst of heaven (represents MAN, where God dwells), Come and gather yourselves together unto the (marriage) supper of the great God.

This is happening NOW. Our flesh is being DESTROYED so we can be married (BECOME ONE) to Christ at the death of this body.

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings (we are the kings of THE KING) .....

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant (sons of God) were slain (killed, destroyed) with the sword (TRUTH OF THE WORD) of him that sat upon the horse, which sword (TRUTH) proceeds out of his mouth: and an all the FOWLS were filled with their (the remnants) flesh.

Without delving too deep in theology, Divine Election is essentially God choosing who are to belong to Him.

We have the Old Testament references to God's choosing Israel: Isaiah 42:1; Isaiah 45:4; Isaiah 65:9; Matthew 24:22 (Matthew is still OT in this respect). Israel wasn't a nation at the time of God's choosing nor did its forefathers deserve anything for God choosing them, but that He wanted a "special people, to set His Love upon them, & to keep His Oath made to their forefathers" ( Deuteronomy 7:6-8).

In the New Testament (post Cross), the Apostle Paul speaks of God's Elect as being from both Israel & the Gentiles: under "the election of Grace" (Romans chapter 11) and Colossians 3:12; 1 Peter 1:2.

So we understand from Scripture, that God chooses whomever He desires to be His very Own. Yet, after the advent of Jesus Christ & His Sacrifice for all (Jew & Gentile), God's choosing is based on the Cross & yet the remnant of disbelieving Israel will still figure at the end times.

Then maybe your question is in respect of how that Divine Election affects sinful mankind now: are some forever lost without hope, or are some dragged kicking & screaming into the Kingdom, none having any choice because of Divine Election? To answer this, God's choosing of those to be saved is entirely because of His Determination & His Plans. Since we know that God is an Omniscient God (He knows all things from eternity to eternity), His Plans must include those who come into the world, the life path they take, their hearing of the Gospel & their response to it.

Acts 13:48: "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." "Ordained to eternal life". This is election, showing that God, Who had appointed some to eternal life, followed through with believing on His Son. In other words, whom God chooses will be saved - those who refuse His Son are not part of the elect or chosen of God.

Lost in Adam and restored in Christ Jesus

Revelation 10:7

1 Thessalonians 4:16

1 Corinthians 15:44

Matthew 24:31

1 Thessalonians 4:17

1 Corinthians 15:32

Philippians 3:21

1 John 3:2

Matthew 13:43

Daniel 12:3

Revelation 21:4, 5

Colossians 1:20

John 10

Matthew 22:10

Matthew 25:34

Isaiah 65:17-19

2 Peter 3:13

1 Corinthians 2:9

Matthew 21:15

Psalm 8:3

Isaiah 65 19-25

Revelation 7:16-17

so much more...

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Hi Mark.. Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. This should be what you're looking for, and there is several more scriptures on this.

Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:1-15 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (Read More...)

Revelation 20:7 - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Isaiah 2:2-4 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (Read More...)

Isaiah 65:25 - The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Matthew 19:28 - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Zechariah 8:3 - Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

Zechariah 14:16 - And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Daniel 2:44 - And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never b

When reading the Word & its use of this word, 'heaven', I see it applied in four ways:

a. the sky/atmosphere or troposphere & this goes to an altitude of approx. fifteen miles. Genesis 6:7, James 5:18 as examples.

b. the celestial (outer space) of planets, stars & constellations. Deuteronomy 4:19, Matthew 24:29.

c. the Place of God's Abode. Hebrews 8:1, Acts 7:56.

d. the new Heaven (& Earth) that is yet to come after all the corrupt Earth & Sky are dissolved. Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:1.

William Kirkland, I certainly hope there are dogs in heaven. Your question roused my curiosity and I Googled "verses about whether pets go to heaven" after remembering about the verse about God's care of a sparrow.

I found 1Corinthians 15:39 and Romans 8:19 on to be wonderful reads. So yes, they go to heaven.

Additionally, I have wondered whether when we die and leave here do we keep our earthly memories (good and bad) but I feel according to Isaiah 65:16-17 "...: because the former troubles are forgotten and because they are hid from mine eyes." "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, or come into mind."

I also believe that I have read a scripture where we remember "our own" so we will see our own family and pets in heaven but no sorrow will be associated with them just joy.

I hope this helps you. It did me.

Keep reading the Word, it is full of treasures and guidance. I've read it through 3 times, now on my fourth and each time the treasures and guidance increase. Every word means something.

Also, people's comments and Matthew Henry's commentaries inspire me.

Chris,

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Concerning the three heaven and earth AGES; reference will again be pointed toward the entire chapter of 2nd Peter chapter 3. This might give you a clearer understanding of these separate DISPENSATIONS OF TIME (not the formation of three separate heavens and earths). For reference I will again state that "the world that then was" ( 2 Peter 3:6) refers to the first dispensation of time. "The heavens and earth which are now" ( 2 Peter 3:7) refers to the second dispensation of time (the time we are presently living in from Adam until now). And "a new heavens and a new earth" ( 2 Peter 3:13) refer to the time period that all God fearing humans are waiting for; also look at Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:12, Revelations 21:1.

My question concerning Satan brings into light the three dispensations of time; as Scripture would be most difficult to understand without comprehension of them.

The fall of Satan happened in the first earth and heaven age and was the reason for the end of that particular time period. Information regarding this can be found (as you stated) in Isaiah 14:12-20, Isaiah 45:18, 19, Jeremiah 4:22-29, and Ezekiel 28:12-19, as they are descriptive figurative statements revealing him to us. Not a page of God's word could be turned without the use of figurative language; which is employed to emphasize a truth and reveal a deeper understanding of the topic being discussed.

Therefore, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. That was the first earth age.

Found in first half of Genesis 1:2 is the result of the end of the first dispensation of time (due to the rebellion of Satan); hence, the earth was (became) without form and void.

Found in the second half of Genesis 1:2 is the first act of the second dispensation of time; hence, the Spirit of God moving upon the waters.

Amen.

I've always loved this text from the very first time I discovered it. Somehow, because of not having constant Bible studies, I forgot what it says exactly. Today, a certain preacher quoted it in his presentation. The reference on the screen was wrong, so it prompted me to look for it. When I found it, I fell in love with it once again and I asked God to help me grow an interest in personal and meaningful Bible study.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a NEW EARTH new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Stanjett - Yes. What reason does anyone have to overwrite the new testament with the old? God ordered His Word the way he did for a reason. That reason is for us to follow It in HIS ORDER.
I think Jesus cleared up any and all confusion over Mosaic Law with these verses in Matthew 22:

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
>> 40 On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. <<

WOW, WOW, WOW!! This whole chapter is better than cool water to a thirsty person on a hot summer day. 1 example is: 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together and a little child shall lead them. Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.Is this not what has been said?

Every Creature of God is good,Nothing to be Refused, if it's Received with Thanksgiving. You said this and then reversed yourself. God told him raise and eat and he said Not so Lord for I have not eaten any unclean things all my days. God said to him, "What God has cleaned, call ye not unclean."

Mary as you said the Rich man was in Hell not in Heaven that is why he Remembered the things on earth which grieved him. God tells us they also can't Cross over Luke16:26 and in Heaven we won't Remember the things on this Earth Please read Isaiah 65:17 If God has said It we Believe It and that Settles It and if we have His Wisdom which we Ask for we will also Understand His Truth Blessings- Annie

The love of God for his obedience children from verse 21 -25 is enormous the verses is an assurance and warranty for those who diligently seek the Lord.

this scriptures really talks to me about these in life. so people needs to wake up just like the Jews did.

Verse 20~Although we must show respect to older ones, we can offer correction if they are sinning and doing wrong. The older one is not exempt from correction no matter how old they are.