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Speaking about the advent of Jesus into the world, Isaiah says this in chapter 40: "Listen! I hear the voice of someone shouting, "Make a highway for the LORD through the wilderness, make a straight smooth road through the desert for our GOD. ...Yes, the SOVEREIGN LORD is coming in all his glorious power. ...He will lead his flock like a shepherd." What could be more clearer. Then in Isaiah 9:6 he say: "For unto us a child is born, a son is given to us. ...His name shall be called ... THE MIGHTY GOD and THE EVERLASTING FATHER. ...

Yes, this is what the prophet said about Jesus!

Do you believe the prophets or men?

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Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. AMEM! The Comforter abides with me! (the Holy Spirit) which is Christ. Father=Lord Son=Jesus Holy Spirit=Christ. Yet a little while and the world seeth me no more but ye shall see me. In that day you shall know that I am in the Father and the Father In Me and I in you and you in Me. GLORY!!!

Isaiah 9:6 tells us who Jesus really is. He is the Son, Father and God. Jesus is the name you should be baptized in.( Acts 2:38,19:5,10:48,8:37-38)( 2 Cor 3:1) Out of the mouths of two or three shall the word of God be established. Many times did the scriptures say Jesus name baptism but only once did it sayin the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost( Matthew 28:19) If you put them all together you get the name and that is Jesus. ( Luke 24:47) tells where and what name should remissions of sins and repentence should be preached. Matt, Mark, Luke and John are the books that tell of Jesus's birth, life ,death and resurrection and the resurrection begins in the book of acts and is the beginning of the Church. Jesus gave Peter the authority to speak on the day of pentecost in St John(21:15-17)( Acts 1:2) as well as the first chapter of Acts, whom Jesus chose the apostles.
People try to say well who told the apostles to go and baptize in Matthew 28:19? Jesus of course, I agree but who stopped Saul/Paul on the way to Damascus? The same Jesus? YES! Paul baptized in what way and name? Jesus.( Acts 19:5) No other name( Acts 4:12) as well as One Lord, One Faith and one Baptism ( eph 4:5) People will jump over the book of Acts because of what ever reason. Acts opens up the name. If you don't believe me see what is done in Jesus name in the book of Acts. Do a study but before you do it pray to Jesus and ask for wisdom.

Jesus Bless

Our society has turned away from God. I felt sad and angry when "God" was taken out of our holidays, our schools; public buildings. We cannot say "Merry Christmas" in an office setting. God is angry at this. Who can help us go back to the way it was before some other groups made a stink that we shouldn't have Christmas trees in public places. So what if we don't have all the other religions celebrations. We didn't start out that way. God is God no matter what religion.

Yes it is true the Godhead is a mystery however in many scriptures Christ identifies Himself as God.
John 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Isaiah says it best of all.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I would like to help if I can. First, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". Peter and Jesus cannot be opposed, that would make God at odds with Himself. Also if the Son born is the Everlasting Father, then the Son is the Father. John declares “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. If Matthew 28:19 says the same as what Peter said in Acts 2:38 then you have to understand, Matthew 28:19 is not speaking about anything else but the name, it is stating that the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, is JESUS. The biggest problem most of us have with scripture, we don’t study the word enough. God will always tell the truth, man will hardly even believe the truth. Seek God, not man’s explanation. Let the mind of God direct you and the Love of God comfort you.

Is there in this verse a revelation for America for the future?

This chapter proves indeed that Jesus has power over nature, Satan, all sickness and all situations. He is God ( Isaiah 9:6).

@Shailin's John,
Matthew 28:19 speaks clearly of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. However if you read this carefully, you will see that Three have just one name. It says "baptizing them into the name (not names) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". There are three with one name. This is the Triune God. In the Father we have seen unseen God. In the Son is God revealed, made manifest, and brought nigh; He is the form of God. In the Spirit of God we have the indwelling God. Undoubtedly the Father is God in various places in New Testament speaks of God the Father. The Son is also God Hebrews 1:8. The Spirit is God Acts 5:3,4. Isaiah 9:6 has the term Everlasting Father. Oneness and Trinity doctrine does not belong to Roman Catholics. It is the fundamental truth of the Holy Scriptures. Praise The Lord.

The Word was God, no doubt about it! Consider this in Isaiah 9:6, who is referred to as the everlasting Father? Find out yourself with the Holy's Spirit guidance, also if the New Testament is correct, then does it make Jehovah a liar? Read Isaiah 43:10-11. Jehovah is clearly saying that "before me was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I even I, am the Lord and beside me there is no saviour"... My question is this, why then did he make (a God) as they say in John 1:1? Did he change his mind? Did he forget that the Word was a God (as they claim), Or was the Word God all along??? You decide. "How long halt ye between two opinions"? To God be the Glory.

I think Isaiah 9:10 also speaks of God's Judgment against America after 9-11. They have placed the dead sycamore tree on the grounds of 9-11 and replaced it with a cedar that is dying and its branches falling off and even the bushes around it are dying. John Edwards and Tom Daschle both prophesy out of ignorance the defiance against God. Sad to say there is Judgment coming against America. Pray for God’s mercy for America.

Jesus is GOD! For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace ( Isaiah 9:6). Adam disobeyed God. Noah walked with God. Abraham believed God. None of these were prophet.

Great and understandable.

David and his men wept, weeping cannot bring them back. We need to seek God, Matthew 7:7. Seek and you shall find, Isaiah 9:6 says He is Wonderful Counselor, He knows all things. Anytime we are in problem the only person to call is God, not to care for nothing, Psalm 50:15. The bible says the moment David enquired from the Lord, God gave him the answer.

I tried to introduce Christ to a Jewish colleague in my office who doesn't believe in Christ. But after proving to him the Jesus is not only our savoir but also our God using Isaiah 9:6, he is now making sense of what I said after consulting his Rabi for two weeks on this matter. The Lord will always defend His word after we have shared word with unbelievers. Amen

If it is true that Ephraim and Manasseh are England and United States respectively, it appears as though England and the United States will be at war with Judah (Israel) during the final war of the present age.

Jesus said in these verse! Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not mention NAMES but name (SINGULAR) (Proper Noun) Father, Son and Holy Spirit is NOT A NAME they are ALL TITLES! It is the name of God (JESUS CHRIST) that we should be baptize and not the TITLE for there is ONLY ONE GOD ( Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 John 5:20; Isaiah 43:10) Jehovah is Jehovah Saviour Jesus Christ revealed in the New Testament that is why there is NOT without this the plan will not be fulfilled, ( Gal 4:3-4) Fullness of time has come God sent forth his Son born of a woman ( Isaiah 7:14) God will give you a "SIGN" ( Isaiah 9:6) This boy will be given a name Emmanuel ( Matthew 1:20-23) That it is the Angel Gabriel who gave the name of this child and his name is Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins. That is why there is power in his name! Jesus will SET YOU FREE ( John 8:32) for Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the father except through ME (Jesus). Because BAPTISM refers to REMISSION OF SINS, without baptism our SINS are not forgiven and our soul is destined to hell, that is why He said in Romans 6:23: ‘’For the wages of Sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through our Lord Jesus Christ’’. This is God's Plan of salvation. The offering of Bulls and animals is not good in the sight of God that is why He sent his Son born of a woman to redeem those who are under the law ( Galatians 4:3-4). And God is Spirit ( John 4:24), He came into world as a sinful flesh to die on the cross for our sins. That is why that in the name of Jesus there is Remission of Sins ( Acts 2:38); In the name of Jesus there is salvation ( Acts 4:12); in the name of Jesus there is healing. In other words without this process our soul will not be saved. Our faith must have WORKS ( James 2:24) God bless you all.

Jeff and Jacques ... Matthew 28:19 ... The words of Jesus Christ ... "go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" ... Whose word is more important? The word of Peter or the word of Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

God is love. His son Jesus Christ is our savior. He gave his only begotten son for our sins. There is the Father, the Son and the holy ghost.

Isaiah 9:6 Tell us his name shall be called wonderful counsellor,The Mighty God everlasting Father prince of peace.God said in ( Isaiah 43:19) Behold I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth shall ye not no it? well I guess that being proven.As far as Christ being a man and God at the same time and not! being able to govern the Universe that's a misconception of the human mind. Jesus said to Nicodemus a man who was confused like many here today StJohn 3:12 If I have told you of earthly things and you believe not how shall you believe if I tell you of heavenly things and no man hath ascended up to heaven but the same that came down from heaven even the Son of Man which IS IN HEAVEN!!hello. The Bible dose not say God the Son because The Godhead is not divide because the Son is only the (Word) which is God's prophetic description of himself which he incarnated into flesh. Not another person!! bur the expressed image of his!! person.Hebrews1:3( John 14:9-11) Jesus did not say he that seen me hath seen God the Son he said hath seen the Father ( Colossians 2:9 for in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily Christ is not a fallen man like us. We can't limit what he can do; because of what we! cant do or don't understand that's why 1Tomothy 3:16 say's its a mystery. Not every one will understand; that's the book that is called the Revelation of Jesus Christ says blessed is him that readeth and understands.( Philippians 2:19)say who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God; But made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a servant. Yes he dose pray to his own spirit Deity!( Ephesians 1:9 says Having made known unto us the Mystery of his will according to the pleasure which he purposed in himself. Hello!!11th verse who worketth all things after the counsel of his own will.( Isaiah 40:10)Behold the Lord God will come with a strong hand and his arm shall rule for him. verse 13 who hath directed the spirit of the Lord; or being his counsellor hath taught him? with whom took he counsel Who instructed him and taught him in the path of Judgment and taught him Knowledge,and taught to him the way of understanding. Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered to me of my Father and no man knoweth the Son but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son and HE to whom THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM. So there you no nothing of the father but what Jesus has revealed blessed is he that readeth and understands.

According to to all these Bible scriptures and the Hebrew prophets there is no Son of GOD who is not also! GOD(Hebrews1:6-13) because if he is not God manifest in the flesh then he's not the son of God either ( 1Timothy 3:16) Psalms 100:2 says know ye that the Lord he is God" How many Gods do you think there are? To say that Jesus is separate from God contradicts the words of Jesus himself (StJohn10:30) even the Devil knows there's one God and trembles, to believe there's more than one God is to be a heathen(Deuteronomy6:4 (James2:19) ( Isaiah 9:6_(40:3..6(44:6..8)(45:20..23)(Psalms110) Revelation 22:3..5 tells us int the end there is no more curse but the throne of God and of the Lamb is in it that concludes the whole prophetic word of redemption, once the son ship is over! Jesus Christ in his eternal glory is the eternal God.

Let us look again at what Jesus says.

Verse 18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus says, "ALL POWER is given unto ME in heaven and in earth. In verse 19 He says "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME" . *Not names* ..

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus says in Revelation 1:8

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the FIRST, and I am the LAST; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.

Jesus says in Revelation 1:11

1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the FIRST and the LAST:

1 Timothy 3:16
3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus says in Luke 24:47 And that REPENTANCE and REMISSION OF SINS should be preached in HIS NAME AMONG ALL NATIONS, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I SEND THE PROMISE OF MY FATHER UPON YOU: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

As we go into the book of Acts we find almost immediately the promise being fulfilled. And let me clear this scripture up.

Ephesians 4:5 ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism,

6 ONE God and Father of ALL,

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is PREFERRED BEFORE ME: for HE WAS BEFORE ME.

Now back to Acts 1:5

Jesus says in Vs. 5 : For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost NOT MANY DAYS HENCE.

Acts 2:1 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Read the rest of chapter 2 and how men mocked and said " these men are full of new whine" but Peter stood up with the eleven.

Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

After you read through to vs 37 says the men were pricked in there hearts and asked what shall they do?!

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Peter tells them what Jesus told him to preach unto ALL nations.

Luke 24:47 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in HIS NAME among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of JESUS Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Jesus love everbody

Jesus is God*

That's right Jeff! Revelation 1:8 says - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the *Almighty*. Jesus spake this.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -v,14- And *the Word was made flesh*, and dwelt among us*, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Whoever you are ~ 123 ~ let me give you some knowledge. John 3:16 says For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him *SHOULD* not perish, but have everlasting life.

It does NOT say that you SHALL be saved! I bought an ozarka water the other day and it said on the back of it, " this item SHOULD not be sold individually." well i bought it by its self. So, maybe it wasn't meant to be sold individually but it was. Same goes with the scripture. Yeah if you believe that Jesus is god and you believe this,

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, -6- One God and Father of all,

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST be saved.

If you think there is three gods you are sorely mistaken. There's not two nor five. Only ONE !

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

In verse 18 we read Joseph was expoused to Mary and she was found with child of the of the Holy Ghost. In verses 19 the two were called husband and wife by virtue of espousal, a marriage vow. Jesus was a son given by God ( Isaiah 9:6) through the tribe of Judah in fulfilment of Genesis 49: 8-12. His lineage through Joseph was in fulfilment of Isaiah 11:1-5 prophecy. " and there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots." He was to sit on the throne of David ( Isaiah 9:7). His lineage was to be trace through David in order for Him to sit on Davids throne. Yet Michah says thus of this Massiach ben David: but though, Bethlehem Ephratah, thou thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of the shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose going forth have been from old, from everlasting ( Micah 5:2). This Christ is to be ruler over Israel was before Michah, the prophets and the patriarchs. David in the psalms, by the Spirit spoke of Him thus: The Lord hath sworn and will not repent, though art a priest for ever after the order of Melechizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through Kings in the day of his wrath ( Psalms 110:4-5). In Zechariah 14: 16-21 He sets His throne in Jerusalem as King as Lord of Hosts. In Revelation 19 He is called, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Yes, the same person, bore the office of son of God, in fulfilment of Psalms 2 and His virgin birth and by the Power of the Holy Ghost, He took the office of Son of man to be a prophet like unto Moses, He takes the Name of Son of David to sit on Davids throne during the mellenial rule. He was the lamb of God to make an atoment for sin. He was a high priest of the order of Melechzedek to represent us before God by the sacrifice of Himself. Yes He is the everlasting Father, the Mighty God the Prince of peace, the mighty to save. He is the Lamb, the King, the Eagle, The Prophet, the alpha and the omega, the first aod last, the one true Lord and God.

Let me tell you something .. Jehovah was used for the Old testament .. We live in the New Testament now and do you find Jehovah in the New Testament. Jehovah was just another name for God .. Do you find them using Jehovahs name to cast out devils in the Old Testament ? NO ! Revelation 1:8 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ~ Jesus said this .. We are reading from Isaiah are we not ? Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God*, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Hey for Ian Wilson and the ones who "think" the name of the almighty should be Jehovah read this. 18 Let no man deceive himself.
1 Corinthians 3:18 If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
Here is a little more Scripture for you .
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 1:1 Tells us that "The Word was god" in John 1:14 it says "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us ! " then it talks about how we beheld his "glory" .. let me add this .. In Isaiah (which is the Old Testament) 42:8 , It says " i am the Lord: that is my name: and my 'glory' will i not give to another ~ and in 1 Corinthians 2:8 is says " which none of the princes of this world knew: for had that known it, they would not have crucified the 'Lord of glory'. They would not have crucified Jesus if they knew that he was god wrapped in flesh! Let me add 1 Timothy 3:16 .. "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,soon of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,received up into *glory* " !!

Exodus 3:14 - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I AM HE*, ye shall die in your sins.

* Act 2:38* Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of *Jesus Christ* for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Jesus was God manifested in the the flesh ( 1 Timothy 3:16). God is a Spirit( Holy Spirit) - John 4: 24; God was manifested in the flesh to take away the sin of the world. God purchased his church by his own blood ( acts 20:28). Isaiah 9:6 says unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and his name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting father. Notice hear it didnt say names but name. All the titles applied to Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 refer to the self same person. He was God above us in the old testament and Immanuel (God with us) when he was manifested in the flesh. In John 14:6-11 Jesus says, he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. Thomas in John 20:28 called him my Lord and God. In Titus 2:11-14, Jesus is refered to as the Great God and saviour. In 1 John 5:20 He is refered to as the true God and eternal life.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.
I'll give scriptures to show the Oneness of God.
Isaiah 9:6 - Revelation 1:8 ( Jesus spake this ) Isaiah 44:6 - Isaiah 44:8. Isaiah 42:8 - 1 Corinthians 2:8 .. And to end this with no argument whatsoever .. John 1:1 - John 1:14 - * 1 Timothy 3:16 * - The only way of receiving Salvation is through Acts 2:38 !! Jesus Is GOD !