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Thanks Brother Ronald.

I believe we are in agreement.

For some reason I thought you were saying the mystery was that salvation went out to the Gentiles and the Desciples wasn't commissioned to preach to them until Paul and Stephen.

Paul was born out of due time so he would be late in the commission.

I believe Christ came to gather the lost sheep of Israel as mentioned in Matthew 15:24.

I agree there was a lot to be fulfilled that was Prophesied in the old testament.

Even his death was prophesied.

Salvation to the heathen.

Even his deity was prophesied " Isaiah 9:6." so I don't hold the view as Gigi as this being the mystery mentioned in Ephesians 3:5-6.

I believe the Mystery goes further than just extending salvation to the Gentiles but that they would be Joint heirs and how it would be accomplished.

By way of the cross and by rebirth by the Holyspirit.

Even when he rose from the dead they asked when was he going to restore the kingdom.

Even when he appeared to them after he rose from the dead some didn't believe.

Not until they received the Holyspirit were they able to comprehend his work.

Being born of God's spirit and baptized into one body was not revealed to them neither could they comprehend it.

I believe this is what Jesus is saying in John 16:12-14.

Also John 14:26 gives an example of how the Holyspirit would reveal revelation to them that the natural mind couldn't comprehend.

God bless.

Yes humans glorify each other. but this glory may be different from the way

God in heaven Sees. 1 Samuel 16:7

Jesus who was chosen by Jehovah- psalm 83:18

Who is the one Chosen by God to bring salvation- John 3:16,17

never glorified himself. Matthew 22:36,37 but with the glory

and honor and title God gave to him, he spoke. John 5:19

Matthew 23:8-12; LUKE 1:28-33; Isaiah 9:6,7

OLD TESTAMENT CONFIRMATION OF THE COVENAN.

Part 3.

COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.

picking up from Psalms 89:27-37.

According to this psalm the covenant concerns David, his physical seed, and the relationship of his rule to the children of Israel. There is no indication that this kingdom extended to a spiritual entity such as the church nor that the throne in view is the throne of God in heaven rather than the throne of David on earth.

As mentioned previously; in Isaiah 9:6-7 it is stated again that the throne of David is in view:

Yhe throne of David is mentioned specifically and the promise indicates that the fulfillment will go on forever.

In Jeremiah 23:5-6 the reign of the king who is the son of David is described as coming to pass in a day when Judah and Israel shall be saved and dwell safely.

In the verses immediately following, this reign is linked with the regathering of the children of Israel and their occupation of their ancient lands. Jeremiah 23:7-8.

It is certainly extreme spiritualization to take the regathering of Israel as an equivalent of the outcalling of the church and the execution of "justice and righteousness in the land" as being a reference to the rule of Christ in heaven, as amillenarians would need to interpret the passage. This is another strong confirmation that the literal interpretation of the Davidic covenant was intended.

In Jeremiah 30:7-9 another reference is found to the reign of the seed of David and again it is in a context of Israel's future regathering which will be consummated following the great tribulation.

As in other passages, the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant is linked with the return of Israel to the land following their time of Jacob's trouble, as indicated in the preceding verses Jeremiah 30:10-12

Here it is stated that they will serve God and David their king.

See Part 4.

By Scripture such as Isaiah 9:7 we know Christ is going to sit on David's Throne and set up an everlasting Kingdom to establish it with judgment and with justice "FROM HENCEFORTH" even for ever as noted.

From henceforth?

This has to be from the time the kingdom starts. by the description given of the kingdom we must admit it hasn't happened yet.

This places it future.

The kingdom consists of the Nation of Israel repenting and acknowledging Christ "who they rejected"

He will sit on David's throne IN JERUSALEM according to the promises and Covenants.

IN THE MEANTIME WHAT HAS BECOME OF THE NATION ISRAEL?



I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Romans 11:1

(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. Romans 11:8

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Romans11:11.



For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Romans11:25.

How do we consider these verses CONCERNING NATION ISRAEL in Romans 11 and consider the promises and Covenants and the view into the future that Daniel gives us in Daniel 9:24-27?

More to come.

God bless.

The Davidic Covenant.

The Davidic Covenant centers on several key promises that are made to David. First, God reaffirms the promise of the land that He made in the first two covenants with Israel (the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants). This promise is seen in 2 Samuel 7:10, "I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore." God then promises that David's son will succeed him as king of Israel and that this son (Solomon) would build the temple. This promise is seen in 2 Samuel 7:12-13, " I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name."

But then the promise continues and expands: "I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever" (verse 13), and "Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever" (verse 16). What began as a promise that David's son Solomon would be blessed and build the temple turns into something different-the promise of an everlasting kingdom. Another Son of David would rule forever and build a lasting House. This is a reference to the Messiah, Jesus Christ, called the Son of David in Matthew 21:9.

The promise that David's "house," "kingdom," and "throne" will be established forever is significant because it shows that the Messiah will come from the lineage of David and that He will establish a kingdom from which He will reign. The covenant is summarized by the words "house," promising a dynasty in the lineage of David; "kingdom," referring to a people who are governed by a king; "throne," emphasizing the authority of the king's rule; and "forever," emphasizing the eternal and unconditional nature of this promise to David and Israel.

Davidic Covenant; Jeremiah 23:5; 30:9; Isaiah 9:7; 11:1; Luke 1:32, 69; Acts 13:34; and Revelation 3:7.

Next.

See Fulfillments.

I think that Jesus was speaking of the gift of the H.G. in John 4 :15...When he was speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well saying whosoever drinks of this water shall thirst again....To me that is Salvation by water baptism...Only ....No gift of God the H.G. the birth of the lil Child...Emanuel....Which is the Child of Promise...Our new innerman...our new hearts and spirits....that has to be born in us...He neva knew them thus no seed was sown in their hearts and minds....They were baptised in water but Jesus neva knew them,...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The woman in Rev. 12:10 had to birth a child which is the Kingdom....We cannot be bornagain without his precious seed sown in our hearts....Which is the contents of that book in the father's right hand....That book of life...My lil children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you....Which is the H.G. The Child of PROMISE...Thats y he has to know us that the Child of Promise will be formed in you....When Jesus breathe on them he was multipling/regenerating himself in them via his seed the living word....Thats y he said blessed are them that follow me in the regeneration....When the son of man is revealed...You will also sit on thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel....Right here on this beautiful earth....When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming in Isaiah 9:6...He said unto us a child is born unto us a son is given....Which are the babes and sucklings he speaks of...An Israel of God .Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise there in...That was the great Promise when God Almighty swore by his very self.. Gen 22:17 kjv...I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven....Thats y he is saying that WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT...Thats the H.G. the Child of Promise the result of his good seed....Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN...Mankind is gona birth a baby Christ which is the H.G...

Jesse,

The accounts of the transfiguration show us how Jesus did humble Himself to become one of us. The transfiguration revealed Jesus as He truly is, exalted, awesome, majestic, and glorious. What an amazing experience for the apostles who Jesus chose to reveal this to. This revelation stuck with these apostles the rest of their lives as being one of the most significant. Of course the resurrected Jesus was the most profound and miraculous event of all, but he appeared to the disciples as they had ordinarily had experienced Him, although He was able to appear and disappear at will.

The transfiguration did show the value of the Kingdom Jesus taught was at hand. The Kingdom is Jesus. It is not a government entity, but a relationship with the divine Son of God. John, in chapter 1, spoke of Jesus being the "light" that shines for all. So, it is interesting to note that in this Transfiguration that Jesus is the source of the light that shone out from Himself. Isaiah 9:2 says that "people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined." This is a messianic prophecy of the coming of Jesus, the Messiah, who bought in the Kingdom of the Messiah, which brings eternal life to those who believe on Him.

Isiah 9:15 the ancient and honorable he is the head and the prophet that speaketh lies he is the TAIL. Rev 12:4 and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth. The tail IS the antichrist. Daniel 8:10 and it (antichrist) waxed great even to the host of heaven and it cast down some of the host and of the stars(1/3) to the ground and stamped(held prisoner) on them. DAN8:11 yea he magnified himself even to the prince (probably arch angel)of the host. Rev 12: 1-5 is giving the bonafides of God's son (Jesus) and Satan's son the antichrist. Rev 12:3 Satan enters and Rev12: 4 says, and his tail drew the 1/3 part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth. Isaiah 9:15 tells you this is the antichrist ( prophet that speaks lies). Daniel 8:10 is talking about the same thing as Rev 12:4. Verse 4b and verse 5 go back in time and tells how Satan tried to kill Jesus but fails and Jesus ascends. Rev12: 6 goes forward in time to the tribulation and Israel fleeing.Heres is what's important Satan sees what his son accomplished by himself and decides to invade heaven with his few fallen angels and is summarily kicked out. Rev 12:10 Satan is kicked out and can't come back to accuse the brethren. Rev 12: 12 this is the 3rd WOE Satan can't get back into heaven and he knows it and he knows he doesn't have much time left. I must stop I am out of time but next time I will tell you why the antichrist was more powerful in heaven than Satan. I am a born again fundamental BAPTIST! I am a researcher and not afraid of the truth. Preachers are myopic and afraid of being ostracized if they were to teach any of this. There are a handful of preachers who know things like this . PRAY ABOUT THIS AND ASK THE LORD IS THIS TRUE!!!!!

Hello Edward. That's a good question, but the answer to it becomes clear when we examine the Character & Names of Jesus.

What you read in Matthew 1:23 "...they shall call his name Emmanuel...", is taken from Isaiah 7:14, where God gives a prophetical word to wicked King Ahaz of Judah, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Does this verse in Isaiah in conflict with Matthew 1:25, "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS?" When we study the names or titles attributed to Jesus, such as Immanuel, we learn that there is significance in giving each of these names. For example, the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6, tells us, "unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Here is a whole list of names attributed to the coming Jesus & though they are descriptive of the Character & Work of this One from Glory, I don't believe that anyone ever used those names, even in the Greek, when speaking to Jesus.

Likewise, when the prophecy was given in Isaiah 7:14, it was about the Name that Jesus' Coming would bring, i.e. Immanuel, or in Hebrew, 'with us is God'. And of course, this ties in beautifully with Isaiah 9:6, that Jesus IS the Mighty God (i.e. He not only comes from God, but out of God's Being, wholly Divine, & in His incarnation, wholly Human).

And you could look up Jeremiah 23:5,6 & see two other Names by which Jesus is identified: the Righteous Branch & The LORD our Righteousness (in Heb. Yahweh Sid-qenu), i.e. God's Name attributed to His Son Jesus, the Christ.

So, Jesus is His Name (in Heb. Yehoshua, or Joshua): the LORD is Salvation, but He can have many Names attributed to Him, each one depicting Who He is, and Immanuel is just one Name given to Him.

REVELATION IS SYMBOLIC

Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon man a great HAIL out of heaven, each stone about the weight of a talent (a talent weighs about 57 pounds): and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the HAIL; for the plague thereof was very great.

Since Revelation is symbolic, what is this a symbol of:

We have to go to the prophets:

Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one ....who is this MIGHTY and STRONG ONE? ..... it is JESUS, the WORD OF GOD ......which as a tempest of HAIL and a DESTROYING STORM ......the HAIL in Revelation is symbolic of the WORD OF GOD, and his words are going to DESTROY ALL DECEPTION FROM THE CARNAL MIND of his people.

Revelation 9:17 And I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat upon them, having breastplates of FIRE, and of JACINTH, and BRIMSTONE, and the heads of the horses were as heads of lions; and out of their mouths ISSUED FIRE and smoke and BRIMSTONE.

Revelation 9:18 And by these three were a THRID PART OF MAN KILLED, by the FIRE, and by the SMOKE, and by the BRIMSTONE, which issued out of their mouth.

This is symbolic, you can contain PHYSICAL fire and brimstone in ones mouth.

Isaiah 30:33 ...for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large; the pile thereof is FIRE and much wood; the BREATH OF THE LORD, like a stream of BRIMSTONE, doth kindle it.

Ezekiel 5:2 ...though shall burn a THIRD PART .....

Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall take thereof a FEW ......

Ezekiel 5:4 .....and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire: for thereof (those destroyed in the fire) SHALL A FIRE COME FORTH ino all the house of Israel.

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the FIRE ......

Revelation 8:7 And the third part of the trees were burnt up .....

Isaiah 9:5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood, but this (battle) shall be with BURNING and fuel of fire.

Isaiah 9:19 .... people shall be the fuel of the fire

Elizabeth,

For the believer, Jesus is our hope ( 1 Timothy 1:1), He is our peace ( Ephesians 2:14), He is the light of the world ( John 8:12), He is the good shepherd who gave His life for His sheep (All those who have surrendered their life to Him ( John 10:11), He is the head of the church ( Ephesians 1:22), He is the only one who sets us free from our sin ( John 8:36), He is our redeemer ( Job 19:25), He is the only atoning sacrifice for our sin ( 1 John 4:10), He is the Savior of those who receive Him ( Luke 2:11, John 1:12), He is the creator of all things ( Colossians 1:16-17, John 1:1-3), He is the word of God, and He is God ( John 1:1, Isaiah 9:6), He is our only way to salvation ( John 10:9, John 14:6).

There are many, many more descriptors in the Bible that tell us who Jesus is, but it would take many more posts to list them all.

David:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD is BORN, a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulders .....

Isaiah 60:22 And a LITTLE ONE shall become a thousand (by the operation of God through Christ's death and resurrection ..... Colossians 2:12

Revelation 12:5 and she brought forth a man child, who was to RULE ALL NATIONS, with a rod of IRON ...

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (lies and deception), and keepeth MY WORKS (the WORK'S of the CROSS), to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron ....even as I received of my Father.

Romans ...God did predestinate (a priesthood) to be conformed to the IMAGE of his SON ...

God Bless YOU!

Brother S Spencer:

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christ (Christ is the word, so there shall arise false words), and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; in so much that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE (but is not possible), they should deceive the very elect.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, WHO WERE ORDAINED TO THIS CONDEMNATION .....

God says he himself has caused this and brought it to pass.

Luke 22:31 ....Satan has desired to have you, THAT HE MAY SIFT YOU as wheat ....

Luke 22:32 But I WILL PRAY FOR YOU: that your faith (the faith of Christ) fail not .... IT'S CHRIST'S WORKS ....

Isaiah 28:21 ....that he may do HIS WORK, HIS STRANGE WORK; and bring TO PASS his act, HIS STRANGE ACT.

Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his maker! Let the potsherds strive with the potsherds of the earth, Shall the clay say to him that fashioned it, What makest thou? OR THY WORK, He hath no hands?

Isaiah 48:10 Behold I have refined the, but not with silver, I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself; but endureth for awhile, and when tribulations and persecutions ariseth because of the WORD, by and by he is offended.

Christ had many disciples, but when the words became to hard for them they went the way of the world.

Matthew 13:23 ..... and false prophets, shall show great signs and wonders .....

Revelation .... and with him the false prophet ....were cast alive into the a lake of fire burning with BRIMSTONE

Isaiah 30:33 ....the breath of the Lord, like a stream of BRIMSTONE, doeth kindle it.

Isaiah 33:14 ...Who among us SHALL DWELL with the devouring fire ( Hebrews 12:29)? who amongst us SHALL DWELL with everlasting burning?

Isaiah 9:5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise and garments rolled in blood, but this (battle) shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

Isaiah 9:18 ...and the people shall be the fuel of the fire .....

God Bless YOU!

Are you hungry ?Are you thirsty? I hope so , I'm starving and never feel full ! I always want more ! Throughout the old testament we are told that God will provide us with food and drink , is that really physical food and drink or is it a promise of...the Bible itself ? I'm not great at tying things together so I hope these verses are ok , they say what I want to much better than I ever could , Matthew 4:4 , Matthew 5:6 and also 15-26 , Luke 6:21-25 , John 6:35 , Isaiah 9:13-20 also 29:7-24 , all of Ch 32 , 49:5-10 , 65:11-25 , all of Ch 66. Psalm 106:15 , also 107:1-15+31-37 and all of 146 . The Bible is the LIVING WORD , it is what sustains us , feeds us and waters us as we wander in this wilderness towards our promised destination .

J Vernon Mcgee.

Part 6.

Standing on the threshold of the New Testament we find that He is rejected. There is a realization of the kingdom, but not now - it is yet in the future. There is to be a consummation of all things. The kingdom is coming. Therefore it is a progressive term. Throughout the eternal ages, "kingdom" will never be a static term. That is what Isaiah said in speaking of the King: "Of the increase of his governmentthere shall be no end" ( Isaiah 9:7). It will constantly increase and develop. There will never be anything static about heaven.

In Scripture we discover that the kingdom has moved through several stages. Back in the Old Testament it was a hope; it was an expectation. Now, since the King has been rejected, what has happened to the kingdom? What is its present condition? The answer is found in Matthew 13, which is the reason these seven or eight parables are elevated to such importance - they reveal the present manifestation of the kingdom.

Now let me be technical for a moment. It is fatal to any biblical interpretation to make the kingdom of heaven a synonymous term with the church. One does not equal the other. While it is true that the church is in the kingdom of heaven today, the kingdom of heaven is a broader term and is more accurately described as Christendom. Every place the Word of God is preached produces a kingdom of heaven condition, but in no place has any section of the world been totally converted and everyone brought into the church. So what you have in the parables of Matthew 13 is a picture of the present hour in which we live. This chapter reveals the present state of the kingdom.

See Part 7.

Revelation 3:7,

Isaiah 22:21-25, Isaiah 9:6-7, Isaiah 49:22,

James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Psalm 67. THIRD attempt to post after I wiped out AGAIN like last tiime.. ugh

I lost Psalm 66 but this Psalm once again has a Millennium type of fulfillment as indicated in verse 4. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Christ as "wonderful; counselor; mighty God; everlasting father; Prince of Peace" with surrounding verses describing how He rules with fairness and settles disputes impartially etc. The nations have hardly sung about this sort of thing as a whole yet.

Verse 2 and the "saving health" could be a reference to Petra where His people are physically preserved previously from Antichrist ( Rev. 12:14). It also could be how those who worship God are given a life like that of a tree ( Isaiah 65:22) where those who die at 100 will be considered as a child two verses previous. There will probably be physical life for those who don't rebel until the end of the 1000 years in the Eden like state of the earth but those who rebel will be immediately judged.

Again as in the previous Psalm; the crops will be multiplied (verse 6); and blessings and fear of the whole world will occur (verse 7). The lack of the fear of the Lord now as opposed to then certainly will be due to Christ Himself returning. Sadly though the unregenerate still will follow the Pied Piper's call when Satan makes his last stand at the end of that period immediately before the Great White Throne Judgment.

Mark 16:15 also shows how the Temple was designed to be a place of prayer for all nations (referring to multiple passages in the O.T. including Jeremiah; Isaiah; Chronicles and others).

Hi Louis.

Here is just a few of many.

Genesis 3:15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and ( HER SEED;) it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise ( HIS HEEL.)

Genesis 22:18.

Genesis 49:10.

The Passover Lamb of God ( Exodus 12:1-28)

Leviticus teaches the way to God is by sacrifice. JESUS!

Leviticus 17:11. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

In the book of Leviticus you see a portrait of Christ and his work on the cross. When studying it.

It does well to go back and forward to new testament and present Christ. Especially Hebrews, That picture will paint itself.

Deuteronomy 18:15.

Psalms 22.

Isaiah 7:14.

Isaiah 9:6-7.

Micah 5:2.

Daniel 9:25-26.

Malachi 3:1.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

John 14:9

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

"he that hath seen me hath seen the Father"

Anyone that has seen Jesus has seen God the Father. Amen.

Rev 19:13 - Jesus is the Word of God. And John 1:1 says "the Word was God"

1 Timothy 3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh"

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born... The mighty God..."

Amen.

Praise God the Bible says exactly who Jesus is for ears that want to hear, for eyes that want to see.

Hi Earl,

To clarify, you wrote "BUT his words are a parable, because he said they were a parable."

Do you believe all of Jesus's words are parables? If so, then when Jesus said He was speaking in parables that also would be a parable, right? It would seem strange to believe 99.9% of what Jesus says is a figurative parable, except only one verse or phrase where He says He's speaking in parables, correct? For example Mark 4:11 is literal?

To me its evident when Jesus or anyone else in the Bible is speaking literally, telling a story, using a figure of speech, metaphor, simile, just as its usually evident when conversing with anyone else in person.

"Dost thou believe on the Son of God?" John 9:35 KJV

Jesus said He's the Son of God, do you believe he was being literal or telling a parable when He said that?

"Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?" Luke 22:48 KJV

Another literal quote from Jesus which do you believe is literal that Judas did in fact betray Him with a kiss, or do you believe this is also a parable?

Do you believe Jesus is Lord as it says in Colossians 2:6-9 and the Mighty God as it says in Isaiah 9:6?

God bless

There is a phrase I heard while travelling: "Same, but Different"

This might explain the seemingly paradoxical relationship of the trinity or Godhead. Exactly how much the same are they and exactly how different are they? We don't know, we're only humans with limited capacity to comprehend this and no Earthly experience with this relationship. We only know what God's word says...

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

1 Kings 8:60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Isaiah 9:6

John 10:38

"...the Father is in me, and I in him."

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

1 John 5:20

"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

Acts 17:29

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or sto

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Timothy 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;"

Dear sister

Before we take a decision about everything in our life we have to ask God first to advice us. He will find a way to bring His message to us. We have to wait until He answers back (and we have to be sure that He answered). We don't do a move unless He tells us to do so. All that obviously for serious reasons. We don't do our move hoping that that is God's will. It may be not. What makes us think it is? In the Book of Acts Paul and Silas went to Macedonia because the Spirit directed them towards there. If they went somewhere else they would have preached the gospel in vain. Sometimes a thing that seems to us to be the best thing to do, is not actually. When Lot chose the place near Sodome and Gomorrah because there was a lot of grass and water for his sheep, he couldn't have known that God was going to destroy those places in the future. At the time it seemed the best move, but it wasn't. We see the present but God sees the future.

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, COUNSELLOR,The mighty God,The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And now what? What do I do if I have done a mistake? Then I must know that God can find a way to fix it. But we have to wait and trust in the Lord (and have our ears open). He will eventually lead us to light again.

Isaiah 58:12 "And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in."

So what we do now is:

Isaiah 62:7 "And GIVE HIM NO REST, TILL HE ... establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.(or anything else)"

Stay strong in the Lord. He will do the best for you.

Isaiah 49:15-16 "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee"

GBU

Hello Robo, how certain do you feel about this?

Have you considered Revelation 21:6-7? God the Father appears to also say He's the Alpha and Omega and He says "I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

Also, besides Revelation 22:13 Jesus saying He's first and last, God the Father also says he's first and last in Isaiah 48:12.

Also peculiar is how Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 is called "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father."

I think its likely that the 3 are more 'one' than separate. There is only one God and we're talking about micro separations or personalities within the one God. And the most separation that occurred was temporarily when the Son transformed into a temporary man. This is where Jesus prayed to the Father, but people make inferences and draw assumptions based on that as if that's status quo, when in reality it's not. The Son is a spirit (not a man) that has always been John 1:1-3 and is one with the Father. I think many times God or LORD is used in the Bible is likely talking about the Godhead or trinity. That is why it says 'we' and 'us' plural.

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is called the "mighty God" in clear terms. Amen. If anyone reading this is somehow not convinced in his/her heart and mind that this verse is true, there are dozens more in the Bible like it. I'm happy to share a long list of them.

Those who want to deny Jesus's divinity may a hard road ahead to continue denying God's truth throughout the rest of the Bible, because there's so many verses asserting Jesus's divinity. Beware of false teachers planting seeds of corruption. God's truth is already here in His Word. Pray, seek, and ask God directly to confirm what the truth is. Satan lurks like a lion ready to devour. I believe he devours people through planting falsehoods and tempting with the fruit of an attractive lie. How convenient that he even targets Christians to slowly step by step begin unravelling their faith through the process of denying Jesus. Clever tactic that unfortunately some have fallen victim of. Keep watch. We already have the truth in front of us in God's Word to help confirm what is true and what is a lie. We need the armor of God on and to stay vigilant. The end is drawing near. God bless.

Other than James?=

Matthew 7, Matthew 15:7-9, Matthew 23, Matthew 25:31-46, 1Peter 2:1, Isaiah 9:17, Isaiah 32:6, Isaiah 33:14, 1Timothy 4, Job 8:13, Isaiah 58, Malachi 2:6-17, Malachi 3, Jeremiah 22:1-17, Jeremiah 24:10-22, = Jeremiah 39:10, Jeremiah 52:16,

Psalms 37,

Hopefully these are helpful

Here are some scriptures in that regard:

Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5, 1Samuel 15:35, Job 10:21,22, Job 34:22, Job 38:17, Revelation 2:7, Luke 23:33-43, Luke 16:19-31, Psalms 6:5, Psalms 48:14, Psalms 49:14, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Isaiah 38:18, Romans 7, 2Corinthians 7:10,

Psalms 56:13, Psalms 89:48, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 14:27, Ecclesiastes 9:4,

Psalms 116:15, Proverbs 14:32, Isaiah 9:2, Isaiah 25:8, Hosea 13:14, Luke 18:33, John 8:51, John 5:24, Acts 2:24-27, Romans 5:10-21, Romans 6:2-23, Romans 8, 2Timothy 1:10, 1John 3:14,

Jeremiah 21:8, Ezekiel 18:31,32, 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 1:18,

Hebrews 2:9-18, Revelation 20, Revelation 21,

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Hello Shelves,

God did not come from anywhere. He has existed always. He had no beginning and will never ceases to be. This is why He gave Moses His name as "I AM WHO I AM" or "I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE" which speaks to being everlasting, eternal, being self-existent. This means that God is Life Itself. His existence is derived only from Himself, not having acquired life or existence outside of Himself. Existence is internally Who He Is. In many places in the Scriptures God speaks of Himself as the Eternal God, Everlasting Father, Everlasting to Everlasting, ( Isaiah 63:16; 1 Chronicles 16:36; 29:10; Psalm 41:13; 90:2; Isaiah 9:6; 40:26; Psalm 93:2; Genesis 21:33; Jeremiah 10:10, etc.)

We are to understand by these Scriptures that God always IS eternally so. He alone has this eternal existence, that is why He alone is the only true God. Hope this helps.

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

"mighty God" = Jesus as a baby is called God.

Titus 2:13-14 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

"God and our Savior Jesus Christ"

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"God was manifest in the flesh" = this is Jesus, who was manifest in the flesh. John 1:14

Revelation 19:13-16

"his name is called The Word of God" = Jesus.

"and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." = Jesus

"And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." = Jesus

John 1:1 clearly says the "Word was God."

"Lord" also means deity or God.

"But Jesus prayed to God so how can He be God?"

Because the Bible says He is. Jesus has always been Jn 1:2 and relegated Himself to become a temporary man in the flesh prayed to God the Father. Just because He prayed as a temporary man does not automatically mean He wasn't God, the Son. 1 John 5:7

Philippians 2:9-11

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Please note these scriptures all seem to include treatment of people : James 2, note James 2:1-6, James 2:8, * James 2:14,15,16,17,

Matthew 25:31-46, Isaiah 58, John 13:34, Romans 12:10, Romans 13:8, 1Peter 3:8, Hebrews 10:24,

Romans 4, notice in those 'works' it's speaking of circumcision Romans 4:1, Romans 4:9-13, not acts of compassion

They don't contradict each other they're completely separate issues, Deuteronomy 10:16-20,

Malachi 3:5,10 = Deuteronomy 26:10-13 , Exodus 22:22, Deuteronomy 14:22-29, Deuteronomy 24:14-15, Deuteronomy 24:19-21,

Matthew 5:16-20, Matthew 7:12-27 = Mark 12:38-40, Mark 23, Luke 20:46,47, Isaiah 9:17,

Hopefully helpful