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  • Adam - In Reply on Acts 24 - 2 years ago
    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    Luke 12:5

    John 14:15

    James 2:14-26

    Romans 6:1-2

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Matthew 12:31-32

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    Hebrews 3:12

    Romans 11

    The Bible answers this question quite clearly. Some are trying to use human logic through cherrypicking and misinterpreting a couple verses instead of simply believing God's truth through the whole Bible. Satan wants people to assume they have an insurance policy and license to commit unlimited sin and do whatever they want.

    Does the Bible even say you're instantly "saved" when you start to believe, or does it say that you can have hope of salvation and assurance of salvation if you are a genuine follower until the "end" on the day of judgment? Let's see if the Bible says "now" or in the "end"...

    Matthew 24:13

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    1 Peter 1:5

    - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    1 Peter 1:13

    "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Hebrews 10:36

    "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Pt 3

    Also there is the spiritual gift of faith described in 1 Cor 12:8. But this kind of faith is for the benefit of all the congregation, like all the gifts. I believe we have all seen people in our congregations that they have such a strong faith and they communicate it to others when talking to them. Their faith is like a flame that propagates from man to man. You hear them talking and your faith goes up, you hear a specific preacher preaching and immediately you feel a fire(faith) burning inside you. It is a gift that God gives to some specific believers to increase the faith of the whole congregation. So there are many ways that God uses to increase our faith. So in general a proper christian life produces faith in believers. Like Ronald said we have to feed it, and a decent christian life feeds it. Then our light will shine to people, like the light of the 5 wise virgins. If we don't feed our faith/flame then it will go off and the darkness of sin will come in. So Faith is the basis where we built our christian lives. It is the foundation of our spiritual house. Believing in God's Words is the way God's Wisdom chose to save and make mankind rightous.

    Now about Demons believing in God as written in James 2:19, my thoughts are. An "active" faith produces works. Faith is something inside us. How does that show to other people? By works. If good works do not exist in ones life then their faith is considered dead. It still exists but it is stationary, dead. It is like it doesn't exist. In demons faith is simply a knowledge. There is no willing for salvation, for changing(assuming they were permitted to do so). But Jesus took human nature so His sacrifice is for humans, He didn't take angelic nature to sacrifice Himself for devils. Why not? Who knows, maybe God knows that devils will never repend, maybe they have blasphemied the Holly Spirit and they can not be forgiven. But all that is assumptions, God doesn't give us any information in His Word for that."
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Pt 3

    Also there is the spiritual gift of faith described in 1 Cor 12:8. But this kind of faith is for the benefit of all the congregation, like all the gifts. I believe we have all seen people in our congregations that they have such a strong faith and they communicate it to others when talking to them. Their faith is like a flame that propagates from man to man. You hear them talking and your faith goes up, you hear a specific preacher preaching and immediately you feel a fire(faith) burning inside you. It is a gift that God gives to some specific believers to increase the faith of the whole congregation. So there are many ways that God uses to increase our faith. So in general a proper christian life produces faith in believers. Like Ronald said we have to feed it, and a decent christian life feeds it. Then our light will shine to people, like the light of the 5 wise virgins. If we don't feed our faith/flame then it will go off and the darkness of sin will come in. So Faith is the basis where we built our christian lives. It is the foundation of our spiritual house. Believing in God's Words is the way God's Wisdom chose to save and make mankind rightous.

    Now about Demons believing in God as written in James 2:19, my thought are. An "active" faith produces works. Faith is something inside us. How does it shows to other people? By works. If good works do not exist in a ones life then their faith is considered dead. It still exists but it is stationary, dead. It is like it doesn't exist. In demons faith is simply a knowledge. Their is no willing for salvation, for changing(assuming they were permitted to do so). But Jesus took human nature so His sacrifice is for humans, He didn't take angelic nature to sacrifice Himself for devils. Why not? Who knows, maybe God knows that devils will never repend, maybe they have blasphemied the Holly Spirit and they can not be forgiven. But all that is assumptions, God doesn't give us any information in His Word for that.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi GIgi.

    Part 1.

    Great and important question Gigi!

    At the same time can get really confusing!

    There's what we call saving faith. We're saved by grace " Through faith". Ephesians 2:8. Here's an element of election with the faith being performed is actually supplied by the Spirit. It is obvious everyone is not supplied with it; however, the invite goes out to everyone. God knew who would believe.

    Is believing what it takes to initiate God's faith to the believer? Are they separate? Are they the same?

    Here's a few verses where believing is used in the Bible. It's obvious when it comes to salvation It's "what" you believe not just believing in God as seen here in James 2:19.

    And then we have John 6:28-28 and Romans 10:9-10 Where belief is directed towards something specific.

    God given faith is a fruit and is accompanied with other fruit.

    There are results in God given faith as seen here in James 2:14-18.

    Faith is not trusting in something! It's trusting in someone and that's the Lord.

    Believing is not believing in something It's believing on someone and that's the Lord. We are to believe on the promise given to Abraham as mentioned here in Galatians 3:16-22. We are heirs of the promise by faith as Isaac as mentioned in Galatians 4:28.

    We are given a promise by God and given faith to believe in that promise.

    The invitation goes out to all as mentioned in 1 John 2:2.

    Everyone is given the ability to comprehend that light as mentioned in John 1:4-8. "But all will not"

    A person has to fall upon that rock and know he needs a savior.

    This is where the 10 commandments come into play. The commandments were meant to drive one to Christ. Some from out of darkness and some from dead works.

    Part 2 an article from J Vernon Mcgee.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey GiGi,

    As a simple man, my understanding of faith is based on belief, trust, obedience, and thanksgiving, from our mind to our heart, a relationship offered by God through the sacrifice and resurrection of His Son Jesus, and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    Faith is a responsibility likened to marriage referred to many times in the bible. Our commitment and love are shown by our actions, which come from our hearts to our hands as in James 2:14-17 which is sometimes misunderstood as works for salvation.

    This faith is a gift we have been given, its growth is dependent on how it is fed. Jesus said faith as small as a mustard seed can move a mountain, that shows how large it can grow in the word of God and prayer. We can sometimes hinder its growth as said in Col. 2:8 following the majority down the wide road when the truth is down the path that has grown up from the lack of traffic.

    It will be tried, we have been told we will be tempted and will have tribulation in this world that many say we will be spared, John 16:33 Acts 14:22, but that builds patience, James 1:3. We see we will need if we are here, we will need in the great tribulation Rev. 13:10.

    The growth of our faith is to add "virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity' 2 Peter 1:4-8.

    This may not be what you are looking for but just my thoughts.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Rodney. I can't think of a specific Scripture pertaining to a "deathbed salvation", though I'm sure there would have been instances in the ministry of the Apostles & the Churches where convicted souls would have confessed Jesus in their final moments.

    I could suggest the thief on his cross who turned to Jesus & asked, "Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom" ( Luke 23:42). Even though the thief's salvation was still under the Old Testament period (for Jesus had not died & arisen as yet), we do see both the thief's sorrow for his sins, belief that Jesus was the One from God, & Jesus' response that after this man's death, he would enter "paradise" (v43).

    So, in this instance there is no evidence of works manifesting from faith, as death soon followed this sinner's plea. But to those of us who have been given more time on Earth, the faith given to us by Christ's Spirit, must bring forth evidence of its reality, if it's ever to be believed as from God ( James 2:26).
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thank you S Spencer for your detailed reply.

    Regarding worship there seems to be many Christians who assume its bad to put effort into anything or be obedient or do anything active towards living as a Christian, because they believe its 'works' and they've been taught that all works is 'bad' despite scripture like James 2:26. I believe they think that Christians are on autopilot as the holy spirit leads them, that their name is already in the book of life and that their actions don't even matter anymore. And if they don't feel a deliberate force (such as the holy spirit) making them worship God, then they won't. If they feel a 'force' instead directs them to go to an adult nightclub and engage in sin they may do that instead, however, even if that 'force' is mistaken for temptation from satan. But some who identify as Christians believe they no longer have freewill to sin, despite verses like Rom 3:10. Some assume that even if they sin by the world's standards that not really sin according to God, therefore they shouldn't have any concerns about it whatsoever, despite Luke 12:5.

    Given this belief, does God want worship to be a deliberate choice? Is it a command we as Christians must continue to do daily as a 'sacrifice of praise', or is it something just here and there to consider doing if convenient, or should we do absolutely nothing and 100% trust a spiritual force to direct us if we ever need to worship God?
  • Adam - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 2 years ago
    Hello, laws are laws too, but also have very different degrees of severity from accidental theft to mass murder. In a court of law, assuming no political bias, if judges are honest they will punish one way more severely than the other.

    I see no evidence that God views sin differently. Sin is sin, but sins are likewise very different in severity. Some who love sin may be incentivized to say something like "sin is sin" to try to downplay their own sins and disgrace to God.

    I couldn't find any verses saying that all sins are the same, but found verses saying sins are different:

    John 19:11

    Also, Jesus clearly says that all sins can be forgiven except for one and if you commit that sin then you will NOT be forgiven. Matthew 12:31-32 So violating this seems to be a fast ticket to hell. In this age of assumed self-righteousness and hatred towards Jesus, this should be a wake up call and deeply scare some people.

    In Proverbs 6:16-19 God lists 6 sins He hates. This again, is another list separate from other sins.

    Already in these 3 verses we see different treatment of sin in terms of severity, so it would seem hard to conclude that mass murder is exactly the same as telling a white lie. God already tells us through these verses there is a difference.

    Some assume that James 2:10 suggests that all sin is the same, but that's not what it says. Those who by works try to be perfect and fulfill the "whole law" are going to fail, and even if someone violates 1 law of 1000 laws, for instance, someone obeying 99.9% of the law still is not fulfilling the "whole law" of 100% and is thus a sinner. This verse doesn't say all sins are exactly the same, but is about being a transgressor and not keeping the whole law.

    If anyone has any verses in the Bible saying "all sins are exactly the same" then we can look into this more, but I am not aware of any such verse in the Bible.

    2 Corinthians 5:10 is another verse on this topic.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12

    "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." 2 Timothy 2:10

    Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Matthew 10:22

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Matthew 24:13

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Mark 13:13 KJV
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi James.

    When you say "Old testament law and it's requirements are not applicable more in newtestament the righteousness.

    I wouldn't put it that way by no means.

    Here's Law.

    The fact that "RIGHTEOUSNESS" does not come by the law that doesn't mean the law was abolished.

    And Christ death on the cross did not do away with the law.

    The law condemned man because no one was able to keep the law so all mankind was under the penalty of death.

    Christ took on the penalty and "PAYED THE PRICE". by death on the cross.

    ( Colossians 2:14. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;)

    The law was the ministration of Death. "And still is"

    2 Corinthians 3:7-16.

    It was to show us our sin and bring us to Christ. Galatians 3:22-28.

    Listen to Paul in Romans 7:7-14.

    Also.

    Galatians 3:13-14 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    So since you are justified by faith and made righteous by Christ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? No! not if you have been freed from bondage.

    For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13

    Romans 6:1-23.

    James 2:18.

    Jesus came to give you a new Heart. A heart of flesh.

    If a person is truly saved he/she would have MORE written on their heart than what's written in the law.

    There's things we don't do is sin also. James 4:17. Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    James 2:14
  • Ronnette Part 2 Galatians 1 Only God can explain this well.Glory to God! on Galatians 1:16 - 2 years ago
    Galatians 1:19 Paul did not see any other apostles but James the brother of Jesus. Now read on and absorbed what God revealed to us. There is a reason why this verse is important. Other Scholars said that the Book of James was written by James the brother of Jesus. How could that be? The message in James was that faith without works is dead James 2:20 & James 2:26. How can you explained the opposition on Pauls messages Ephesians 2:8-9? It is because the author of James is James the brother of John the sons of Zebedee. That James was killed by King Herod Acts 12:2 about 44 AD or CE. He was not seen by Paul after Paul went to Arabia. That James had written the book of James before James died to tell the 12 tribes what is about to happened in the tribulation ( my opinion after the church age will be raptured) James 1:1. If this was written by James the brother of Jesus, he would have not contradicted what he heard from Paul because he saw Paul right after Paul went to Arabia Galatians 1:17-19. The second part of 2 Timothy 2:15 we are not ashamed to tell all that we must rightly divide the word of truth. Know the physical and spiritual messages of God. It is only revealed when you trust Jesus and not yourself. If you do not rightly divide you will be confuse of your salvation. We are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. Amazing God we have. I glorify God by telling you this revelation. I please only God and not men. My life is a true testament of God's glory. Who has the mind of God Romans 11:33-36, 1 Corinthians 2:15-16. My brothers and sisters in Christ, if you are a leader in church, let the Spirit of God speaks to you..Take, I pray thee, my blessing that is brought to thee; because God hath dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough. And he urged him, and he took it. Genesis 33:11. But he said, As the LORD liveth, before whom I stand, I will receive none. And he urged him to take it; but he refused.

    Galatians 1:4-5 Amen. Galatians 1:3.
  • Chris - In Reply on James 5 - 2 years ago
    Certainly, man cannot be the judge of another's salvation, because we don't see or know what God sees & knows. If I might direct you to Acts 1:13 (James with the others were gathered in an upper room for prayer, etc.); Galatians 1:19 (James was an apostle); Acts 15:13-21 (James was a member of the Jerusalem Council); James 2:1 ("My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons": and this verse shows us that James had put his trust in Jesus & this epistle was to his 'brethren', the believing Jews who were scattered, living in other lands). In my understanding, James appears to have the same spiritual awakening & expression of faith in Jesus, as any of the other apostles. Do you see a problem here?
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Stacie. The questions you ask require much input, but I would firstly direct you to 1 Peter chapter 1 for your meditation. And especially verses 1 & 2, where the Apostle Peter writes to the believers in Asia Minor as to why God has caused them to be part of the Elect (or, chosen) of God.

    They were not chosen randomly, some to be saved & others rejected, but chosen because of what God knew about them. God knew even before we were born, how our lives would pan out, our younger years, our careers, our struggles in life & even the day of our death. So they, & us, are the chosen of God because of His Foreknowledge (He is an Omniscient God): knowledge of how we will respond to Him & the Gospel. And Peter says that this foreknowledge of God involved the sinner being cleansed by Christ's shed Blood at Calvary & the sanctifying (setting apart) Work of the Holy Spirit. So knowing all this, there are certain people who have been ordained to receive God's Salvation & others who are not. And God also knew the ones who would not receive salvation because He knew they would reject the Gospel, or if they never heard it, they would still never accept Christ. The ones that God knows will belong to Him, will all come to Him - none will be rejected, as if to catch God by surprise. And Peter then gives these chosen ones the assurance in verses 4 & 5: those who are Christ's, have an incorruptible inheritance reserved in Heaven & while we're still on Earth, we will be kept secure in our salvation by "the power of God through faith" when salvation's full work is completed "in the last time (the day when we see Jesus & be with Him forever)".

    So, those who are truly God's children (born again by His Spirit), will lead careful holy lives (see the rest of that chapter on this) - we can't, nay, can never fool around with God by leading double lives. It only proves we never belonged to God. Many believe in God, even as the devils do & tremble ( James 2:19), but that belief won't save them.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I see that there may be a confusion between a gift and a reward. A Gift is something given voluntarily without any expectation of a return; usually given out of love or deep concern. A Reward is something given to recompense or requite someone for some hard work, acknowledging an achievement, or meritorious act.

    If the salvation of God to mankind required that man do a worthy work to gain it, then it would be God's reward for our efforts. If then it is our efforts to gain this gift of salvation, it would make our efforts of greater worth than what Jesus achieved, thus nullifying His Sacrifice for us. We can never hope to be able to do anything or contribute anything that would make Jesus' Sacrifice more effective.

    Therefore, Salvation must be a Gift & not a Reward. Sinners certainly can't do anything to gain a reward from God, for "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags" ( Isaiah 64:6), in God's Sight. And for this reason, God had to step in to help the sinner in his predicament, drowning in his sin, on his way to judgement for it. God's love could only bestow upon the sinner a Gift, undeserved & unmerited by us. It came without any conditions, just to receive it with grateful repentant hearts, with joy that our sins are fully paid for & dealt with. But if God left it there, we might be thankful for His Gift of Salvation, but have no power & convictions over the enemy that ever lurks to make us reprobates before God by compelling acts of sin.

    Thus the Holy Spirit was sent as part of that Divine Gift, Who ensures that these redeemed lives remain true to God, living lives in the power of the Spirit. And yes, faith & salvation must now produce good works because of the Spirit's Presence & enabling, or else James 2:14 becomes very valid, 'can faith without works save him?' Salvation is the Gift from God - Works is our response - the two must go hand-in-hand - but Salvation stands alone as a Gift from God, apart from works or else it's no longer a gift.
  • Me - 2 years ago
    Ok, you say salvation is a gift. You also receive gifts in life, right? From your parents, teachers, supervisor, ect. But you still have to work in order to receive them. I have never known a student who did not study, stay up all night drinking and partying. At the end of the year he graduated.... Please put your thinking hats on, Faith without Works are dead and Works without Faith is dead... James 2:14-26
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    James 2:13-16
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please note these scriptures all seem to include treatment of people : James 2, note James 2:1-6, James 2:8, * James 2:14,15,16,17,

    Matthew 25:31-46, Isaiah 58, John 13:34, Romans 12:10, Romans 13:8, 1Peter 3:8, Hebrews 10:24,

    Romans 4, notice in those 'works' it's speaking of circumcision Romans 4:1, Romans 4:9-13, not acts of compassion

    They don't contradict each other they're completely separate issues, Deuteronomy 10:16-20,

    Malachi 3:5,10 = Deuteronomy 26:10-13 , Exodus 22:22, Deuteronomy 14:22-29, Deuteronomy 24:14-15, Deuteronomy 24:19-21,

    Matthew 5:16-20, Matthew 7:12-27 = Mark 12:38-40, Mark 23, Luke 20:46,47, Isaiah 9:17,

    Hopefully helpful
  • Mark Slaney - 2 years ago
    Free Grace vs Lordship Salvation

    Do you believe in free grace opposed to lordship salvation? That is faith without works is dead ( James 2:26) only in THE EYES of MEN, not in the eyes of God. In this case, works would not provide evidence of faith. We have to look closely at what James is saying. If he does not contradict Paul ( Romans 4:5), no works must be needed as a result of faith alone. Otherwise it is not faith alone.
  • Cindy - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Derek, we are all sinners, even the born-again are sinners saved by grace. Romans 3:23,24 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

    There's nothing we can do to EARN righteousness. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." The only righteousness God sees in you is the blood of Jesus.

    However, when we are born again, Jesus calls us to do the works of His will. James 2:17

    "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

    What are those works? Jesus said in John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Do what he did on earth such as is possible for a person to do. That is, minister unto others when God points out someone's need. Pray for yourself, and for others. Read and study your Bible, and heed whatever the Holy Spirit tells you to do.

    God Bless!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Paul.

    In James 2:14-16. we have the context and resolve

    "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

    ( If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

    And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?")

    You see a similar verse here in

    1 John 3:17. "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, HOW DWELLETH THE LOVE OF GOD IN HIM?"

    The love of God IN YOU CAUSES YOU TO RESPOND WITH WORKS, It's a fruit of the spirit. you're "persuaded" From within.

    You're not acting out faith or manifestating faith.

    You're persuaded!!

    If you don't respond "putting in the work" You are not persuaded!

    Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    These scriptures don't contradict. Faith is dead without works and works is dead without Faith. God is not in you until he saves you and if you are not saved no matter what you do you can't please him. It is Christ faith in you that causes you to work!! This is why in James 2:18 he says "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."

    God doesn't accept works from a unclean person "the unsaved" in a attempt to make himself righteous.

    Men righteousness is as filthy rags. If you are saved by faith you will work, If you won't work, your faith is vain.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Paul,

    I agree that some perceive these as conflicting verses, but just because some assume something is contradictory does not make it so.

    Why can't both verses be true?

    Ephesians 2:8-9 is true that we are saved by grace alone through faith and James 2:17 is also true that faith without works is dead. Why exactly can't these both be true? The entire chapter of James 2 already explains this. For instance James 2:18 "...shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." Isn't it possible that faith and belief is like an overall umbrella and the fruit are good deeds and works that can flow through as a result of genuine faith? And if no works, then it would be like the parable of the sower in Luke 8. The scriptures do not contradict each other.

    Romans 2 also explains this. Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    People seem to like to cherry pick and pluck out only Ephesians 2:8-9 and ignore James 2:17. Or, some may pluck out only James 2:17 and ignore Ephesians 2:8-9. But the reality is it is both. Both are God's word and both are true. All of the scriptures must be taken cohesively in context.

    I believe this can happen with other topics too. For instance, yes, someone can just read John 3:16, and conclude that only "believing" is all someone needs. While true, it's assumed it's genuine belief is active and would also include Acts 2:38, which introduces more actions such as repenting, and being baptized. These are not contradictions as some may assume. They instead compliment each other and are both true. People can get a simple understanding with light reading of broad statements and a deeper understanding by deeper study. I think this is by design. Some believe the Bible is a living Word of God and that the more we read that God can supernaturally reveal more and more insights that we didn't notice the first time.
  • Paul - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Adam

    Do you believe the Bible is 100% true and is God's word?

    Yes, I do Adam.

    If so, do you believe Jesus is the Word as it says in John 1:14 and that He is God and created everything as it says in John 1:1-3?

    Yes, I do Adam.

    And do you believe Ephesians 2:8-9 is true that we're saved by grace and not by works?

    I believe both writings of James and Paul, meaning, we are saved by both grace and works because the two apostles contradict each other.

    Going back to your first question,

    Do you believe the Bible is 100% true and is God's word?

    Yes, meaning, I don't believe Paul over James nor James over Paul but I believe both are teaching true doctrines making the entire Bible 100% true.

    Paul says,

    We are saved by grace through faith and not by works for if it is by works it is no more grace. (Ephesians and Romans)

    Grace comes through faith...

    And James says,

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)

    Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:17)

    The only conclusion to these doctrines and believing the Bible 100% and not just parts of it would be to say we are saved both by works and grace.

    Making what the Book of Mormon prophet Nephi says,

    We are saved by grace, after all we can doa true doctrine.

    And solidifying Isaiah's doctrine which says,

    They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. ( Isaiah 29:24)

    Which, I believe, is speaking about the Book of Mormon.

    Adam, do you believe Paul is correct? and do you believe James is also correct?
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Matthew 25:31-46, Philippians 2:12, context Philippians 2:1-16, James 2:19, in context James 2, Romans 14:12, Matthew 23,

    Hopefully these help
  • Alex N - In Reply on James 2 - 2 years ago
    Hey Dr. Lyle Lee GBU Nice to see you again....I always enjoy your post.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on James 1 - 2 years ago
    James 1:18 Here the apostle reveals our spirit as being saved, by using two words, begat and firstfruits, both of which speak about the human spirit as being resurrected. When reading Psalms 2:7 and Hebrews 1:5 the word begat or begotten refers unto the day when God would resurrect the body of the Lord Jesus, thus creating the doctrine of resurrection in interpretation. Then in Leviticus 23 we are taught of the feast known as the firstfruits, the first feast happened on April 14 as the Passover, then the next feast called unleavened bread happened on April 15, finally on April the 16TH the feast of firstfruits took place. These three feats speak about Christ dying on Friday as our Passover, in the grave on Saturday as our unleavened bread, and rose the third day being Sunday, as our first fruits. It was the third day that God resurrected him, meaning the name reveals the resurrection. 1 Cor.15:23

    James 1:21 Here is this verse the apostle now deals with the salvation of the soul as being separate from that of the spirit, for he insists that our soul will be saved by the engrafted word, not by faith without works in Calvary. Now we know that the only thing that was engrafted into every Christian on the day of salvation as an unconditional promise was the Ten Commandments in the heart, also known as the new covenant. For this reason he continues to teach in chapter 2 about this very thought and testified that faith without works is dead, meaning when it comes to saving our souls, rather we must have faith with works, from obeying with meekness the Ten Commandments written in the heart, he calls this the royal law and the law of liberty in James 2:8 and 2:12
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on James 2 - 2 years ago
    James 2:8 and :12 both the royal law and the law of liberty are the same law, this refers unto the Law of God, also known as the Moral Law. For the Christian, this law was written in the heart of every believer on the day of salvation as part of all unconditional promises, which is also known as the new covenant. The significance of this law, is that it alone has the power to save our soul, after our spirit was saved by faith without works. James 1:21 Meaning if we would through meekness obey this engrafted word that was written in our hearts on the day of salvation, then can we now obtain the salvation of our soul.
  • Manuel - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Texsis, I am happy i can share with you.

    your first question:

    It all about what the Bible says.

    So we have the same punishment for sin. ref Romans 6:23-for the wages of SIN is death... this means sin is sin and it has the same punishment. Remember even in the garden off Eden as Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil God pre warned that the day they eat from that tree they will surely die.

    ."

    James 2:10-11. when we break one part of the law it deemed as breaking the whole law. Death has always been the punishment but we have consequences of our sins. ref: 1 John 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death

    your second question:

    well i haven't come across the exact word you used LIE-MURDERER but 1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    when you hate your brother you CAN lie about him also.

    i will remember your son in prayers too. Amen
  • Cindy - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello! I'd like to point out that when one of the Apostles asked Jesus Christ to teach him how to pray, he instructed them all, and us by association, to pray to God Luke 11:1-13. To wit, we are to pray to God, our Father, not to Mary.

    We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23. Therefore, we have all broken God's ten commandments. When we break one, we are guilty of breaking them all, James 2:10-20.

    Jesus is the only way to Heaven. He told Nicodemus that a man must be born again to enter Heaven, John 3:3. No man comes to the Father but by Jesus, John 14:6.

    To be born again:

    Romans 10:9-13 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Sheyibrown.

    Scripture agrees with what Luke has spoken.

    For one the law wasn't given to Gentiles it was given to Israel. I wasn't given to JUSTIFY anyone for salvation.

    Galatians 5:4. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE."

    Here's a few scriptures to study:

    Please don't just read these Scriptures, Study them!! These are very important Scriptures that is ignored by some. Understanding these scriptures can help keep one from being deceived atleast in this area anyway.

    Galatians 3:1-29.

    Galatians Ch 4 and 5.

    2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

    Also study.

    Hebrews 8:1-13 and

    Hebrews 9:1-28.

    It's interesting what you will find in Hebrews when ministering the first covenant. It WASN'T about just being obedient to the 10 commandments, There were services that had to be performed to extreme precision.

    There was the high priest that ministered THOSE services under THAT covenant in a WORLDLY sanctuary. The services had to be rendered perfectly but they couldn't make you perfect. They had no effect on the heart of man. Men heart is incurably wicked. The new covenant where Christ is the High priest He came to give you a new Heart and the REST that the old covenant couldn't give. Because no one could keep or be justified by the old covenant.

    Why is it that those who desire to add their means of justifying themselves they choose what they think is the easiest to do and not realize in their lusty heart they break the commandments.

    James 2:10.

    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

    But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28.

    Study those chapters.

    God bless.


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