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Romans 8:1-8 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

James 2:9-12 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Does the bible say all sin are the same in gods eyes, no sin is greater than the other?

Suze,

You have spoken well here on this topic. Thanks for your insightful points. It stirs my heart to be more sensitive to the needs before me. I tend to ask a person who asks me for money if they are hungry and to accompany me into a restaurant and choose their meal or ask what they would like and go and buy it for them. That way, I know that they have food and drink for that day (what their body really needs).

May God bless you Alex , much love in Christ .

May God bless you ELB , much love u n Christ .

Amen Sister Suze:

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the only life) that worketh in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

God Bless YOU!

Amen Suze well said GBU

Amen Suze well said GBU

Dgjot , I could never hate you , you are my brother in Christ , we all get a bit rattled about the things that are going on in this world , that's a good sign ! So many people in life walk through this world not noticing any of the unfairness and injustices that take place on a daily basis , they don't notice because they don't care . I do get where you are coming from , being a Christian means being aware of what is expected of us by our God and our Saviour , we need to be doing right in their eyes , it's not about who we are being kind to , it's about the fact that we are doing what we know is the right thing to do regardless if our act is appreciated by this world , that doesn't matter , what matters is keeping our hearts and minds attuned to Christ and the example that he set us . Do right by him , it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about us , it only matters that we do what we know is the right thing to do in God's eyes . Much love to you in Christ .

When it comes to Mary pouring oil on Jesus's head , I wanted you to take notice of Judas's attitude , that passage isn't just there to tell us about the woman and what she did , it's also there to tell us about Jesus's reaction to her act and the reaction of Judas and what he did immediately afterwards . Read it all carefully . That passage gives us an insight into Judas's mind set , his way of thinking , is that our way of thinking ? Mine ? Yours ? Should any Christian take the same attitude as Judas ? I'm not going to do any more with this conversation , if you have read the Bible you should know what is expected of you in this world , you should have an understanding of the heart and mind of Christ and how it should be working in us every day . I struggle too at times , being a good person doesn't always come naturally to me , it's when I'm struggling that I let Christ take over me and through him I can do better .

Have I ever been Homeless? No. I worked to put a roof over my own head. Many times I took in homeless, jobless friends and supported them until they could get on their own feet. I got nothing out of it except my bank account emptied and my house ruined. Then they left and I never saw them again. Where were they all the times I went hungry or couldn't pay my bills or was sick??? (crickets)

@Suze:

I'm sorry I offended you too. I know you're right. We should give and expect nothing in return. I'm just a bitter old cat-herder. Don't mind me.

You're correct, some people can't be helped or simply do not want it.

My comment was based on the perspective of providing love and charity TO the person/people, refarfless. Those in need, need help. Providing them with a warm meal on a cold winter day may not bring them to God but then again, the simple charitable and loving act of providing them with a warm meal on a cold winters day is the work/help that begins to foster a relationship, sometimes, in which we may be able to help them further, spiritually. To the point of accepting Christ.

It's pretty easy, at times, to help a believer isn't it. But not so easy to help someone who doesn't want to be helped/saved.

Jesus died for "helping" those people didn't he? Or did he just come for the saved?

Doing God's work isn't easy and of course the atheists or others don't even want to hear it. Jesus never quit..

@Suze: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be difficult. I just want clarification.

Luke 14:

12 Then said he (Jesus) also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbors; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.

13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:

14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Who was Jesus talking to?? The "Jews". "....call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind..."

Jesus didn't say to invite the infidels or Baal worshippers. Let them Repent first, then they can be helped.

And what does the incident of that woman pouring expensive oil on the head of Jesus have to do with giving to infidels?

I'm pretty sure the Lord God laid it on that woman's heart to do that. She knew in her heart that Jesus was worthy of that expensive oil. But Jesus's "apostles" murmured among themselves calling it a waste.

People often begrudge others what they themselves cannot have.

Satan and his followers cannot ever have salvation so they begrudge it to others, and try to destroy them.

The poor, the hungry cannot have, so they steal from those that do.

Re. Christ deniers: Unless God calls them (like He did to the Apostle Paul) any kindness we show them is, in my opinion, for nothing. And even after Paul converted, he was treated with distain by the other Apostles.

It would be nice if everyone gave to others like Jesus wanted us to, but that's not what happens. Giving should be reciprocal-

(I give to you, you give to them, they give to me) but it doesn't work that way.

"...for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just."

Just being allowed into Heaven should be enough recompense for anyone.

I'm sorry if I have offended you . I guess we are have different views on this subject and that's ok with me .

@Suze - in Reply on James 2

You: "When we do good to anyone we are not just doing good to them, we are doing ourselves good also, and all non Christians are potential Christians and should be treated as such."

I disagree. Many are called but few are chosen. Jesus preached to the masses but many rejected him. And, we don't give because it makes us feel good. We do it out of obedience to God/Jesus.

Matthew 10:16

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

You have to use some discernment when it comes to giving to strangers. (infidels) I was in line at the checkout at the grocery store. As I was leaving, the man bend me was trying to pay for some food but he didn't have enough money, so I gave him what I had.

That's one thing. Supporting the heathen is another.

You: "We, as Christians own nothing and we should always be ready to give anything that we consider ours to anyone who asks us for it, and even give before we are asked, it's not always easy to part with our goods, but if you do it without hesitation or grudging it's an awesome feeling, you instantly know that you have done the right thing in Gods sight and He blesses us in our generosity towards others."

Nope!

I need a few things. Can you buy me a new furnace? No. Of course not and I wouldn't ask you.

Jesus owned absolutely nothing except the clothes he was wearing. Many times he was sustained by the kindness of those who believed in Him, and this is the man who could feed the multitudes with a few loaves and fishes.

You: "One time , a man stopped me in the street and asked if I could give him some money so he could get something to eat."

(Then you were angry with yourself because you couldn't help.)

There you have it. All Christians are on a guilt trip. We are besieged by people with their hands out and then we get this

"Fine Christian you are" if we don't help. No other religious group is as put upon as Christians.

The "sinners" Jesus ate with were chosen. They were people who were open to what He had to say. God chooses whom He will. Unlike the Pharisees, Scribes and Elders who already made up their minds Jesus was a rebel, and harassed Him every chance they got.

May God continue to bless you Alex and may He continue to bless us with your presence on here .

Dear Dgjot , this is my last appeal to you my brother , please read Matt Ch 26 V 6-16 , Mark Ch 14 V 3-11 , Luke Ch 14 V 12-14 and finally John Ch 12 V 1-8 . I shall hassle you no more , God bless you .

Dear brother, I'll tell you a true story. Some years ago a sister in Christ over here owned a pizza house. A guy, a drug addict often came in since he knew there was always a plate with food and a glass of wine available for him there for free. The sister always talked to him about Jesus and salvation. Nothing seemed to occur for several years. Once he came to the church but he was too stoned to understand anything. Time passed by and that guy eventually believed in Jesus and his life changed completely. He became a very happy person, he always mentioned that he was the only one from his friends that escaped heroin, the rest died. Afterwards he became a street preacher. He was going to all the places that drug addicts gathered and talked to them about Jesus. In my life I never met such a person with such a courage when preaching in public. He had no fear or shame at all. So you never know what God's plan is for people and who eventually will be saved. Sometimes we have to be patient. As someone in another post said, often love is going to attract people to Jesus.

GBU

Dear Dgjot , I am genuinely worried for you my brother . You have read those verses in James and yet they don't seem to mean anything to you . Have you honestly read all the Bible ? If your answer is 'yes' then you know that there are dozens upon dozens of verses that I could quote to you . Here are a few , please read carefully Rev Ch 2 V 4 , Rev Ch 3 17-20 , Deuteronomy Ch 24 V 10-22 and James Ch 4 V 17 . Don't you know that you own nothing ? Don't you know that you are not of this world ? Therefore your attitudes should not be the same as the world's attitudes . Don't you know that you cannot , not should not , you cannnnot judge the hearts and minds of others ? I worry that the people that you are mixing with are encouraging you in this cynical attitude , I don't care if they are church people , if they are church people they should know better than to stray from the first principals of Christianity and the direct commandments of God and Christ who are the head of all Christians , we answer to them , not to each other . I pray you will recognise that your heart is hardening and that you will please take steps to come back to Him who loves you and who has saved you from yourself and this world through His supreme act of....love . Much love to you in Christ .

Suze GBU Very well said....God sees our hearts...Amen

I'm guessing , though I may be wrong about this , that you have never been hungry or homeless ? I have been both when I was a young woman . Jesus says that when we ask for blessings on some one that we should not turn our eyes away if we can physically help some one in a practical way , not just spiritual . It's hard to concentrate on anything when you are cold and hungry , your physical uncomfortableness is very distracting . Also , who are we to judge what is in any one's heart or mind ? Only God knows that and your act of kindness may help to open some one's heart to the Truth . I have never for one second forgotten even the smallest act of kindness that anyone has ever done for me , even things from decades ago . Jesus says about the good Samaritan "go , and do likewise " , he's talking to us when he says that .

You too ELB , much love in Christ .

Amen sister Suze

God Bless YOU!

Jesus gave and gave even go do called infidel He ate with sinners how can people learn of Jesus if we only share with other believers Jesus is out pattern He never withheld gifts to do called unworthy but freely He gave ....

I do believe that charity begins at home , meaning , we should look after our family first , as Christians who is our family ? Also , do not the dogs eat the crumbs from the masters table ? God is the God of all flesh not just Christians and one day all flesh will know the Truth and rejoice in it . When we do good to anyone we are not just doing good to them we are doing ourselves good also and all non Christians are potential Christians and should be treated as such . Weren't we all despicable sinners at some point in our past ? Are we all still sinners now ? All flesh is blessed by God every day . We , as Christians own nothing and we should always be ready to give anything that we consider ours to anyone who asks us for it and , even give before we are asked , it's not always easy to part with our goods , but if you do it without hesitation or grudging it's an awesome feeling , you instantly know that you have done the right thing in Gods sight and He blesses us in our generosity towards others . One time , a man stoped me in the street and asked if I could give him some money so he could get something to eat , I was devastated because I had no cash on me , I had left it all at home . I was so angry and upset with myself I vowed to never leave my house again without at least a few dollars in my pocket . I don't knowingly give cash to drug addicts but will always give to anyone who asks me , cash or food . There's no better feeling than to know for sure that you have done your duty in God's eyes .

@Daniel: I'm not deliberately shutting anyone out from the Gospel. But neither will I support someone who just uses me, pretending to want to hear the gospel, in order to get food, clothing & shelter. Been there, done that. I took in a friend once. I used to leave Bible verses taped to the refrigerator, and they got offended and told me to quit putting them up. How's that for nerve!

And another thing, people only want to hear the nice verses in the Bible about forgiveness and the love of Jesus. Then they go out and sin thinking that, "Jesus loves me no matter what" and go back to mischief. It's better to warn them that if they don't repent, they may be facing hellfire and brimstone. At least that gets them to thinking.

Some people are brought to Jesus out of gratitude for what He did for them. Some people are scared into repenting and seeking Jesus. Some people play the system, thinking they can do whatever they want and God will still forgive them.

Thank You, Adam.

I see this as not divided by believer or non-believer, but between those who are open to receive help and those who don't want it, as you said. From what I can tell Jesus divided His time evenly between His followers and just general people. He didn't heal everyone and couldn't minister to everyone's needs. While He did meet some physical needs the greatest value He offered was spiritual needs and not everyone was ready to receive such help.

Sounds like your expectations of others in church was a mismatch to what was being offered. Church cultures vary. Some people don't want others all in their business. So, not everyone wants to be super close in that way. Sometimes a few church members aren't nice, but those few don't represent the culture of the church. There are always oddballs in any group. Sometimes people you assume are doing fine aren't. Maybe they have had incredible stress and drama that you had no idea of, just like they had no idea of your hardships. But just because someone has hardships doesn't mean they want help. Since you had disappointments with that church I would suggest going to another- until you find what matches the experience you're looking for. Or maybe start your own Bible study group and you can set the level of interactivity you want.