Tribulation: Purposes of the Seal Judgments as related to Israel's history.
The sword; famine and pestilence seen in judgments 2-4 in Revelation 6 fit in with a pattern set by God to judge Israel since most of their history was in a rebellious state despite being called to be an example to the nations ( Isaiah 49:6) and set apart ( Jeremiah 2:2-3). The pattern of sword; famine and pestilence can therefore be seen in Jeremiah 14:11-12 as well as other passages in the same book; and it found in Ezekiel 14:21; Deuteronomy 32:24; and other passages. Interestingly enough; Deuteronomy 4:30 mentions tribulation AND the last days; opening the door for repentance on man's part for God to turn back on some of these judgments (perhaps for individuals sealed by God or physically protected at that time and/or during the Trumpet judgments).
Therefore; this time before the Book is opened there appears to be room for repentance; although nothing said for the unregenerate where one quarter die at that time ( Rev. 6:8). It would appear since Hades is in Revelation 6:8 that everyone killed in this manner were unregenerate. The only question is if these are concentrated in a quarter of the earth or it involves one fouth of the world in general. We should also be soberly reminded here that many will not even physically survive to the point when the Beast is empowered and implements the mark ( Rev. 11:7) apparently after the martyrdom of the 2 Prophets and subsequent Resurrection at the 6th Trumpet ( Rev. 11:14).
The Antichrist at this time will rise to power ( Revelation 6:1-2) and begin to subdue and conquer nations. Daniel 8:9 shows how this "little horn" gains power; no doubt through superior intellect and intrigue ( Daniel 11:21). Nations no doubt are pitted so that they will through internal strife be conformed to the 10 nations ruled under the Beast after their sovereignty is destroyed.
I will delve into the fifth and sixth seal in my next sequel.
Revelation 6:5-8 The famine; pestilence; and Death and Hell.
The concept of judgment with the sword; famine and pestilence is clear from Jeremiah 14:12; 27:13 and 42:17; Ezekiel 5:12; 7:15 and 14:21. There are two of these three judgments together in portions of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and certainly other places as well. What is unique here is the pale horse signifying death and the "beasts of the earth". This has been defined as a possible veiled reference to viruses or bacteria; or perhaps literally animals attacking people. What we see in this pale green horse is the power behind all this; men being accelerated to hell (as Isaiah 5:14 states hell has enlarged herself). Matthew 24 also discusses wars and famines and verse 9 gets into the 5th seal of persecution of saints.
In looking at the Restrainer ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7) we also can look at the fact that once removed; not only will wickedness spread at accelerated pace; but also judgments and the rate the lost are being sent to hell. Perhaps the Tribulation believers will be pretty much exempt from these plagues as it seems martyrdom is the most common form of death. There is no specific mention until the trumpet judgments of the 144,000 and possibly others being protected from certain judgments. These verses seem to show by and large lost people are judged this way even BEFORE the mark of the beast is instituted. It is God who ultimately determines the course of pestilence as well as war; and clearly no efforts of man will curb this judgment. Obviously; starvation will not only come from the wars; but by the droughts and other natural disasters unleashed; again mentioned as a particular signs and wonders action the 2 Prophets engage in as "often as they will." ( Rev. 11:6). Again; there appears to be some lag time for these prophets to appear; and perhaps end their ministry just after the midpoint of the 7 years. It is unclear if a delay occurs between the Rapture and first seal as well.
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2 Peter 1:19-21
Jeremiah 23:29-31
Jeremiah 14:14-15
1 Corinthians 13:9-10
2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) If you want to see 20/20 vision, it is all written in the Bible.
Titus 1:9-11
Beware:
Matthew 16:6
Matthew 16:11-12
Mark 8:15
Luke 12:1
Colossians 2:8
2 Timothy 3:13
Revelation 20:10
Glory to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ezekiel 16:61 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
Jeremiah 17:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
Ezekiel 16:27 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.
Jeremiah 12:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
Isaiah 41:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
Jeremiah 14:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And their nobles have sent their little ones to the waters: they came to the pits, and found no water; they returned with their vessels empty; they were ashamed and confounded, and covered their heads.
Zephaniah 3:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
The Lord God is righteous and holy in everything He does. As we chose to learn more about Him, we find that God is consistent in His dealings with us.
We fall out of the favor of God because of our sinful actions. God does not leave or forsake us. His promises are sure and faithful.
We need to learn His Word, trust in His word, and walk in His word to be prosperous, blessed, and a blessing. The Lord bless and keep everyone on this forum. February 23, 2022
1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow and his eyes were as a flame of fire 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace and his voice as the sound of many waters. Jeremiah 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish they are black unto the ground and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.
"And their nobles have sent their little ones to the waters: they came to the pits, and found no water; they returned with their vessels empty; they were ashamed and confounded, and covered their heads." From the Rulers of the Jews to those who control the churches today; having always resisted the Holy Spirit, and refused the obedience and purity of Christ's teachings; are turned away empty.
Children of israel(Jacob son's) went into captivity throughout history. They are still in captivity (bondage/serve slavery) till this day. Jeremiah 14:2 says Judah Mourns. Christ our savior who is from tribe of Judah is manifested to restore the tribes of Israel. All Gentiles will be amazed at end of the world that they mistreated his people. Isaiah 14 explains verses 5-6.
There ARE 'prophets now; ANYONE at all who speaks of Jesus to anyone, is 'prophesying' - the same way John the Baptist did. That's all he did, was speak of Jesus. There are hundreds upon hundreds of prophets today. And John was sent also to baptize, but he 'witnessed' (prophesied of why he was baptizing). A witness of Jesus is prophesying of Him.
Jeremiah 5:9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this? 10 Go ye up upon her walls, and destroy but make not a full end: take away her battlements for they are not the LORD'S. 11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD. 12 They have belied the LORD, and said, It is not he neither shall evil come upon us neither shall we see sword nor famine: Jeremiah 14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
God was angry with his people because they sinned against him. He is so angry that rain seized on the land and everybody including beast were hungry. He said even if they offer sacrifices and pray he would not hear. If they repented in those days he would have still forgive. They followed their heart and their false prophet and the word of God stood against them.
Verse 22, God created rain and the natural system of water evaporation and warm-cool air pressures that create storms. However, the gentiles have learned through science, called vanities, the methods of weather manipulation. It is possible today to seed clouds so that they create rain. Here the Lord is given the acknowledgement that the Lord can change any effort of man. Israel is suffering a drought in this chapter. It is possible that this is a man made drought. The ultimate decision of what happens with rain and drought belongs to the Lord. Israel is asking for the Lords help. If the drought is symbolic of not winning battles then Israel is asking the Lord to be under his protection during this war. But verse 10 to 12 makes it clear that the Lord does not want this war, it is occurring because Israel wandered out of their boundaries with expansionism.
Verse 14, Perhaps the Lord is saying that Israel claims to be Gods chosen people and therefore they feel they can do or say anything they want because the power of God is with them. The Lord is saying Israel can not do anything they want and claim it is the will of God. Israel is under the Lords control, not the other way around.
To Simeon gabaza
There are no "prophets" now. Those who claim to be prophet are nothing but a false ones. The office of prophet ceased after the Bible is completed - nothing more to be added or taken away. Now we have the pastor in place of prophet, who also say "thus saith the Lord" based on the true word of God.
Rev 2:9 Christ is talking about the people in Israel now calling themselves Jews when they are NOT the real Jews! Because when you read Jeremiah 14:1 The Jews are black people! A Jew is a person from the tribe of Judah. So what race of people Christ is talking about in Rev 2:9? Type Jesus Christ in google and your answer is everywhere!
This was the word concerning the prophets of that time that sinned against God. In other word this is History being shared to us, it’s not referring to the current Prophets though some might be found along the above mentioned lines. If God did refer this to current prophets however the introduction of Jesus has covered/canceled us, because Jesus brought new life to us.
Jeff. "planted by the rivers of water" mean: When you plant a tree your 1st expectation is to watch it grow and bear leaves, right. But if you do not water it, it will not grow. For us that would mean:If Christians do not bear fruit in their season the tree (which is us) will wither away and cause the tree to die (our interman the Holy Spirit). If you are not walking in your purpose and using what God gave you, then you become just like a tree without it's fruit. You should be excerising your right as a Christian and walking in your calling by helping others and spreading the Gospel and let people know what God has done for you and what he has brought you through. Sometimes Christians are fearful of what the Lord wants us to do but we cannot approach our calling in "FEAR". If you are struggling in this area or maybe you know someone that is study these Bible verses; Isiah 61:3/ Proverbs 11:28/ Psalms 92:12/ Jeremiah 14:1/ Ezekiel 47:12/ Jeremiah 39:18 and Job 29:19.
The sword; famine and pestilence seen in judgments 2-4 in Revelation 6 fit in with a pattern set by God to judge Israel since most of their history was in a rebellious state despite being called to be an example to the nations ( Isaiah 49:6) and set apart ( Jeremiah 2:2-3). The pattern of sword; famine and pestilence can therefore be seen in Jeremiah 14:11-12 as well as other passages in the same book; and it found in Ezekiel 14:21; Deuteronomy 32:24; and other passages. Interestingly enough; Deuteronomy 4:30 mentions tribulation AND the last days; opening the door for repentance on man's part for God to turn back on some of these judgments (perhaps for individuals sealed by God or physically protected at that time and/or during the Trumpet judgments).
Therefore; this time before the Book is opened there appears to be room for repentance; although nothing said for the unregenerate where one quarter die at that time ( Rev. 6:8). It would appear since Hades is in Revelation 6:8 that everyone killed in this manner were unregenerate. The only question is if these are concentrated in a quarter of the earth or it involves one fouth of the world in general. We should also be soberly reminded here that many will not even physically survive to the point when the Beast is empowered and implements the mark ( Rev. 11:7) apparently after the martyrdom of the 2 Prophets and subsequent Resurrection at the 6th Trumpet ( Rev. 11:14).
The Antichrist at this time will rise to power ( Revelation 6:1-2) and begin to subdue and conquer nations. Daniel 8:9 shows how this "little horn" gains power; no doubt through superior intellect and intrigue ( Daniel 11:21). Nations no doubt are pitted so that they will through internal strife be conformed to the 10 nations ruled under the Beast after their sovereignty is destroyed.
I will delve into the fifth and sixth seal in my next sequel.
Agape. RICH P
The concept of judgment with the sword; famine and pestilence is clear from Jeremiah 14:12; 27:13 and 42:17; Ezekiel 5:12; 7:15 and 14:21. There are two of these three judgments together in portions of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and certainly other places as well. What is unique here is the pale horse signifying death and the "beasts of the earth". This has been defined as a possible veiled reference to viruses or bacteria; or perhaps literally animals attacking people. What we see in this pale green horse is the power behind all this; men being accelerated to hell (as Isaiah 5:14 states hell has enlarged herself). Matthew 24 also discusses wars and famines and verse 9 gets into the 5th seal of persecution of saints.
In looking at the Restrainer ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7) we also can look at the fact that once removed; not only will wickedness spread at accelerated pace; but also judgments and the rate the lost are being sent to hell. Perhaps the Tribulation believers will be pretty much exempt from these plagues as it seems martyrdom is the most common form of death. There is no specific mention until the trumpet judgments of the 144,000 and possibly others being protected from certain judgments. These verses seem to show by and large lost people are judged this way even BEFORE the mark of the beast is instituted. It is God who ultimately determines the course of pestilence as well as war; and clearly no efforts of man will curb this judgment. Obviously; starvation will not only come from the wars; but by the droughts and other natural disasters unleashed; again mentioned as a particular signs and wonders action the 2 Prophets engage in as "often as they will." ( Rev. 11:6). Again; there appears to be some lag time for these prophets to appear; and perhaps end their ministry just after the midpoint of the 7 years. It is unclear if a delay occurs between the Rapture and first seal as well.
2 Peter 1:19-21
Jeremiah 23:29-31
Jeremiah 14:14-15
1 Corinthians 13:9-10
2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) If you want to see 20/20 vision, it is all written in the Bible.
Titus 1:9-11
Beware:
Matthew 16:6
Matthew 16:11-12
Mark 8:15
Luke 12:1
Colossians 2:8
2 Timothy 3:13
Revelation 20:10
Glory to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
Jeremiah 17:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
Ezekiel 16:27 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.
Jeremiah 12:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
Isaiah 41:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
Jeremiah 14:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And their nobles have sent their little ones to the waters: they came to the pits, and found no water; they returned with their vessels empty; they were ashamed and confounded, and covered their heads.
Zephaniah 3:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
Psalms 86:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.
Titus 2:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Jeremiah 14:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Because the ground is chapt, for there was no rain in the earth, the plowmen were ashamed, they covered their heads.
Psalms 34:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.
Psalms 74:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.
Psalms 25:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.
1 Peter 4:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Romans 6:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Isaiah 45:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
Hosea 10:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
It shall be also carried unto Assyria for a present to king Jareb: Ephraim shall receive shame, and Israel shall be ashamed of his own counsel.
We fall out of the favor of God because of our sinful actions. God does not leave or forsake us. His promises are sure and faithful.
We need to learn His Word, trust in His word, and walk in His word to be prosperous, blessed, and a blessing. The Lord bless and keep everyone on this forum. February 23, 2022
we don't have to wait for judgement day to be born again (saved).
ephesians 1:4 according as he hath chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
romans 5:8 but god commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were sinners he died for us.
psalms 106:8 nonetheless he saved them for his name sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known.
isaiah 43:25 i, even i, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake....
jeremiah 14:7 o lord, though our iniquities testify against us, do thou it for thy name ....
ezekiel 20:44 and ye shall know that i am the lord, when i have wrought with you for my name .....
there is dozens of scriptures that say, god does everything for his name; we are the beneficiaries of his works; for his name.
we are graced!
There are no "prophets" now. Those who claim to be prophet are nothing but a false ones. The office of prophet ceased after the Bible is completed - nothing more to be added or taken away. Now we have the pastor in place of prophet, who also say "thus saith the Lord" based on the true word of God.
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