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Once again; they are reminded not to worship idols. The past manifestations of God on the mountain with fire was reiterated; and warnings as to future sin and being dispersed among the nations in exile after many died in the land would certainly come to pass. There is even a prophetic statement about the last days and tribulation (v. 30) where God still promised some mercy for repentance. This demonstrates the sad reality that Moses knew as God Himself that there would be rebellion as long as man remained in his sinful state until Christ returns. Nonetheless; God's covenant would remain (verse 31).
The blindness among the nation of Israel will finally be removed right before the return of Christ according to Zechariah. Romans states this as continuing until the "time of the Gentiles be complete ( Romans 11:25; see also Luke 21:24). Truly, there has been a time in the wilderness for the Jews up until today; as they have been unable to assess the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 as being Christ. Sadly; many will fall for Antichrist when "another comes in his own name" ( John 5:43). The lesson of going after enemies without God's blessing due to sin in the camp was something prevalent at that time. It was sin which caused such an extensive delay to get out of the desert; and would continually cause the nation to fall short of the promises in God's covenant for the Promised Land. Nonetheless; mercy stands as we have a God much more patient than you or I. Time and time again He forgives despite the heart of man which is desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9).
Wonderful question and I would suspect that the majority of us have pondered this at some moment in our lives.
Over the years I have read(heard) many illogical and unbiblical answers. So what we all would like to know is how did Noah really live to be 950 years old!? Was the length of a year different? Did the Earth spin faster?(small joke)
I will offer what I believe to be a biblical view that coincides with many a scripture.
Romans 8:13-17
We know that the first man in creation, being Adam, was formed in God's image, His perfection. Man formed in perfection. The closer we get to the first generations of God's creation the more God-like I believe they must have been.
Galatians 3:13 Jeremiah 17:5-6
Once sin began to take course the following generations began to suffer. As time passed and we come to Moses, he only lived to be 120.
I believe that in the Garden of Eden God's creation of man had fallen due to the fall of man. In other words, had sin not infiltrated the generations of man we would still be having a conversation, today, with men of long ago. Imagine having children at 100, or serving our Lord for 900 years. I can't even fathom. Those first men must also have shared Much more in common with God than we do. Today we are "built cheap" because of sin.
Another thought if I may. During the fall in Eden God also cursed the ground. Imagine what our world would be today.
I hope that this helps to understand the question of time being different in the OT days vs modern day.
God Bless you brother
In our reading of Jeremiah 17, the rulers and people were told to keep the Sabbath. Seems pretty easy, except to truly keep the Sabbath in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord would really mean strictly following the rest of the commandments. As a Jew, they would have to know everything that went to the preparation and executing the proper etiquette of the Sabbath to please the Lord. It would be tantamount for me to know who my Lord God is in order to worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. Other wise my worship of the Lord in attending a church service would be meaningless and would not give my God the glory or praise He so richly deserves. Hebrews 10:25
These comments were not meant to hurt anyones feelings. Just to help in our discussion. God bless everyone. May the Lord bless our nation as we learn more of Him and apply the wisdom of Christ in our lives. February 24, 2022
Luke 4:40, Mark 16:17-18,
Luke 10:9, Jeremiah 17:14,
Here are some, hope they help
Isaiah 58:1-14, Exodus 20:8, Exodus 20:10-11,
Exodus 31:13,14,16, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 23:1-8, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2, Leviticus 25:4, Leviticus 25:17, Jeremiah 17:19-27, Lamentations 1:1-7, Isaiah 1:11-17, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 22:26,
Amos 8:4-8, Mark 2:27,
Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:1-27, Mark 3:1-11, Luke 6:6-11, Luke 13:11-17, Luke 14:3-6, Luke 14:12-24, Luke 23:3-56, John 5:1-16, John 7:22-24,
Colossians 2:8-17,
James 2:1-26
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Ezekiel 33:8
When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
That other verse: the Tree is known by its fruit.
It means that Jesus is that tree, and we are grafted into His Life. How we conduct ourselves in all ways; looks like Jesus, sounds like Him, prays to Our Father; in Jesus's Name.
By reading all of the Bible, we come to understand what the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is like. ROMANS 1. They made this world that we should respect and love, every day.
Scriptures light us up on the inside. That light flows outward on a hurting world that needs Him.
Peter walked by a blind beggar on the street and his heart was overcome by his need. He said, silver and gold I do not have; but what I have, I give to you. The man was healed.
I was healed the day I met Jesus. I had been a very sinful person. I didn't deserve to be saved. But he pulled me out of the mouth of the hell I lived in. That was 36 yrs ago. Every day with Jesus is JOY. I am loved completely. No one has ever loved me so.
Your walk with God can be shallow or deep. I took a leap off my painful reality right into His arms. No matter what happens He has never let go of me.
Open your heart and live on full display. His life Light, will shine through you. Take that leap.
Mishael
Chis & Richard, to add if I may.
1 Samuel 8:5
1 Samuel 8:7,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18, 1 Samuel 8:20
We do not have a King over us, except The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY we are a Christian nation. Here in the United States of America, We are one nation under GOD. "We the People" we are the "People" we're the only Nation on Earth that was & is established under the Power & respect of GOD ALMIGHTY. Even the California Constitution, Preamble says: "We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure & perpetuate its blessings, do establish this Constitution.'"
We need to remember & not forget, we are not, nor have we been a nation that crys to failed & flawed man to be "our king" no, we are the people & Our Declaration of Independence of The United States of America states: "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, & to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate & equal stations to which the Laws of Nature & of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator... "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, & to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles..." "...experience has shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." "But when a long train of abuses & usurpations...Duty to throw off such.."
How did vaccines, DNA, and mRNA come into existence? By murder, necromancy, abominations, and unnatural sorceries that the bible warns us.
How? Research the bible.
Science so falsely called. The bible calls science a liar, profane and vain babbling. To abstain from this.
Science sheds innocent blood to murder babies in womb. Using the dead of babies and animals to discover hidden knowledge of DNA and mRNA.
Then science uses sorceries to create unnatural animal and human hybrids and growing human kidneys in pigs. Then science uses these unnatural and unholy things to defile the temple of God within of anyone who professes to believe.
These synthetic immune systems that science creates are an abomination.
Science values no plant, animal or human life. Everything living person, animal, or plant is a disposable specimen to them.
And the Georgia Guidestones proves their evil global plot of eugenics of communism that Revelation warned us would come.
Jeremiah 17:5 warned us.
5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord
They trust in man.
They turn their arm flesh.
Their hearts depart from God.
God curses them for it too.
We never needed vaccines.
Original antigenic sin is the truth that science tells that they know they can never heal or cure any disease or virus because as soon as a new variant or epitome exists than all those past things they claimed to heal would reoccur again.
Please - if you have ever taken one vaccine - with or without your consent - as many had these vaccines ad kids - repent to Jesus Christ for these worldy things.
And never take anothe one again.
The vile and evil things that science does is never to help life. But to control life and destroying life.
Science hates God! Satanic science wants to be God on this Earth!
I understand what you are saying about not turning down service providers based on if they are believers or not, I certainly would not turn down bypass surgery or roof repair because the provider was not a believer; however, those services are quite different than "spiritual" or "mind" service providers. Heart surgery or roof repair is not doctrine or the word of God and has nothing to do with salvation or living a Godly life or solving behavioral (heart) problems ( Jeremiah 17:9, Mark 7:20-23).
When it comes to obeying the Lord and following His word, psychology just seems to be a secular (and ungodly) look at behavior. It is an attempt to explain why we do things and what the solution is without referring to God and His word. Psychology is an invention from worldly men who denied Jesus Christ (people like Freud, Wundt, Jung, Skinner, etc). Some psychologists even merge the word of God and secular theory which seems unbiblical to me (we are to be set apart from this world - John 15:19, Romans 12:1-3, 1 John 2:15-17).
I guess what I am really asking is - to put it how you were phrasing it - if someone was 'sick' (spiritually) why would they go to a secular physician (psychologist) and not a spiritual physician (Jesus)? We even have a behavioral manual (the Word). The bible seems to continually say that the Lord and His word are sufficient, exactly what we need and that we should avoid the wisdom of men ( 2 Timothy 2:15-16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 2:25, Hebrews 4:14-16, Isaiah 55:7-9). 1 Corinthians 2:11-16. When we become a Christian, we have the mind of Christ, which is spiritual - not worldly. Jesus is our counselor ( Isaiah 9:6) and he knows us ( John 2:25).
It seems that as a Christian we either believe that the word of God is sufficient for all spiritual problems or we don't.
BTW - this is not for me, it involves a family member.
Positive thinking was started by Phineas Quimby who hypnotized people. He believed that the body was a reflection of the mind and all illnesses were a result of false beliefs. He had conversations with Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science founder) and influenced her to believe that 'right thinking' in accordance with scripture could cure any ailment. I don't think that 'positive thinking' can be aligned with the word of God.
Philippians 4 says 'by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving', not by 'positive thinking'. I believe Matthew 6:34 is in relation to submitting to God and trusting in Him, something atheists do not do. It was not meant to just say "don't worry about tomorrow" (which would be worldly wisdom) but "trust in the Lord" which is Godly wisdom. I would argue that psychology says "trust in yourself" and the bible says "deny yourself", two viewpoints which are incompatible.
I would say counseling is good as long as it is biblical. Shouldn't everything center around the Lord and His word? If you talk to a counselor and they do not point you to the bible and Godly wisdom, the only other option is they are pointing you towards worldly wisdom. The bible says we have a heart issue, not a mental issue. Jeremiah 17:9-10.
1 Corinthians 1:18-25. Acts 17:10-12. I think everything needs to be tested against scripture.
Thanks for the discussion Adam, I appreciate you.
I look in Proverbs for wisdom.
PROVERBS 19:4
Wealth maketh many friends; but the poor is separated from his neighbour.
PROVERBS 28:26
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
JEREMIAH 17:11
As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.
Proverbs 6:15
Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.
Proverbs 8:10
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Proverbs 10:4
He becometh poor that dealeth with a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich.
Proverbs 11:29
He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.
Have a great Holiday weekend
Jeremiah 17:24And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;
Jeremiah 17:22 Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
It's nothing to GOD if you have perfect attendance or not because there's really nothing we can give HIM that HE doesn't have. But at Church we're still instructed to never be absent (we have 3 days of Church services; some have perfect attendance since they were saved, some come and go). So now we go to Church for our own good to receive blessings from HIM: material, physical, and Spiriutal blessings.
We just have to be thankful to GOD that there's this one place for us where we can go to serve The LORD GOD by:
1) singing praising songs to HIM
2) praying to HIM
3) hearing HIS messages through preaching
4) testifying for HIM
5) joining others in setting up The Church and serving HIS followers
If you get that feeling of not going to Church, whether it's a building or a humble place, then maybe it's time to search yourself first. Pray, fast, sing praising songs to GOD, ask for forgiveness for your shortcomings, and cry for mercy, love, and forgiveness, ask for His sweet Holy Presence. And let HIM lead you wherever HE wants you to be. HALLELUJAH! PRAISE THE LORD!
Jeremiah 17:9. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
YOU ARE SO RIGHT, IN THE HEBREW I THINK IT ACTUALLY SAYS INCURABLY WICKED.
THAT'S WHY GOD DON'T REPAIR THE OLD HEART, HE GIVES US A NEW HEART.
Ezekiel 36:26-27. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Ezekiel 11:19. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I WILL TAKE THE STONY HEART OUT OF THEIR FLESH, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Proverbs 3:3-6. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Even the desciples was confused throughout Jesus ministry.
John 6:60-63. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENETH; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.
John 16:12-13. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
ALSO
1 CORINTHIANS CH 2.
GOD BLESS.
Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases, Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with loving kindness and tender mercies, Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle's.
Jeremiah 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; Save me, and I shall be saved, For You are my praise.
Jeremiah 30:17
For I will restore health to you And heal you of your wounds,' says the LORD, ' Because they called you an outcast saying: " This is Zion; No one seeks her."'
Hosea 6:1
Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
Hosea 14:4
I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely, For My anger has turned away from him.
Malachi 4:2
But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
Psalm 30:2-3
LORD my God, I cried out to You, And You healed me.
O LORD, You brought my soul up from the grave; You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
Exodus 15:26
and said, "If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you."
Deuteronomy 7:15
And the LORD will take away from you all sickness, and will afflict you with none of the terrible diseases of Egypt (sin) which you have known, but will lay them on all those who hate you.
Psalm 34:19
Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the LORD delivers him out of them all.
Psalm 118:8,9; Jeremiah 17:5-10; Psalm 146:3; John 2:23-25. The Truths you seek are written in them.
So, since I can't work I do some Art, and I started working leather. He hate putting something with his main car key but he often have difficulty to find it. So I though tabout making him something small, where I could insert a mini natural oil mix bottle for his sinus.
I am not sur what to inscribe on. I was thinking something along the line of health or something about communication. So here are some of my idea:
Hatred stirs up strife,
But love covers all sins
Proverbs 10:12
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed;
Saved me, and I shall be saved,
For You are my praise.
Jeremiah 17:14
For His anger is but for a moment,
His favors is for life;
Weeping may endure for a night,
But joy comes in the morning.
Psalm 30:5
Be of courage,
And He shall strengthen your heart,
All you who hope in the LORD.
Psalm 31:24
Fear not, for I am with you;
Be not dismayed, for I am your GOD.
I will strengthen you,
Yes, I will help you,
I will uphold you with MY righteneous right hand.
Isaiah 41:I0
Cast your burden on the LORD
And He shall sustain you;
He shall never permit the righteous to be moved.
Psalm 55:22
That's what I have come to right now. I would be delighted if anyone have a better suggestion, on has any comments or idea on which would be the best.
thank you very much
GOD be with you all.
The Bible is replete with references to the 'heart': Genesis 6:5,6; Genesis 17:17; Genesis 45:26; Jeremiah 17:9 are just a few examples of the ways that 'heart' is used in the Bible. So when I wrote, "fully convinced in our hearts", my thoughts were on the combination of our mental & emotional aspects, whereby we must firmly believe in mind & display of emotional strength, as we stand against any that should come against us.
As a sideline, the Bible also uses the word 'bowels'. This can refer to our bodily insides ( Genesis 15:4) but also refer to what we denote to the heart, except using the older English expression. So we have Genesis 43:30, Philemon 1:7 as a couple of examples of that. I trust you can see the use of the word 'heart' (& bowels) in Scripture.
If he will allow you, lay hands on your son by holding his hand; and pray these scriptures (below) aloud. We have 3 gates on our bodies: the Eye Gate (reading the words)
the Ear Gate that hears the scriptures spoken; and the Mouth Gate, speaking the Words of Life.
All of these things feed our spirits and our faith grows on what God says, rather than the doctors. Copy the scripture names down.
Isaiah 41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Jeremiah 17:14 Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.
Jeremiah 33:6 Behold, I will bring him health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth.
1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers.
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.
Speak faith when doubt raises its head.
Pray: " Come Holy Spirit. Help Me."
Listen to praise music.
It means very much to God.
it takes more than words to show him Love
few can refrain from working or doing there normal,on Sundays
but those that do
are Blessed.
Matthew 13:14-15 - And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE.
Proverbs 28:13-14 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them, shall have mercy.
Hebrews 3:8 - Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Mark 8:17 - And when Jesus knew [it], he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened?
Exodus 9:12 - And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.
Exodus 7:3 - And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
John 12:48 - He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Mishael : It takes Spiritual Warfare to free a person to hear Gods Word. See sermons on YouTube, about that. See Ephesians 6. Don't let the devil scare you. He knows Jesus stripped him of his authority to steal souls. Watch some Charles Capps videos too so you will understand your authority through the Blood of Jesus.
I wondered whether to put my two cents in where it may not be welcomed, especially after the matter had been settled between you two, which is always a good thing, whether an agreement or not, I learned a lot by reading this thread, but it brought to mind that Scripture " John 10:28-30 (NIV) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
My mother would drill that Scripture into my head, over and over, while I was growing up, "If you are truly His, NOBODY will be able to pluck you out of God's hands." Which was comforting to me.
I guess that's why I found this thread so fascinating, loosing one's faith verses eternal security, but I have to say, God knows the heart, ( Jeremiah 17:10)
I was saved at twelve, I remember it very well, I was saved completely, and read my Bible all the time, was zealous to the things of God, but through-out my life, I was never the 'perfect' Christian, by some in church today, but God loved me anyway, and for some strange reason, He has chose me to minister to those who are broken, in a world that rather ignore them, even in the church. I guess, there's a purpose for everything.
Now, back to why I decided to respond, you two are brilliant men of God, I hope and pray you continue to grow in the knowledge, grace, and wisdom God has given you, and not let a disagreement grow to resentment.
Thanks again for everything,
Etta