Assuming the church is gone; as far as the operation of the Holy Spirit as the restrainer now stands or as salt and light we see the familiar war; famine and pestilence pattern of judgments gallop forth with the seal judgments. This time of "Jacob's trouble" ( Jeremiah 30:7) also contains a promise that eventually they will be delivered out of it.
Verses on war; famine and pestilence
Jeremiah 24:10 is one of many passages in the Old Testament prophetic books warning of the sword; famine and pestilence. At least two out of 3 of these judgments are proclaimed in numerous other passages such as Lamentations 4:9; Ezekiel 5:12; and many other places in these same books. The Gospels also warn of such events in the birth pangs warnings in Matthew 24:8.
There is a basic change that I have noted between the attitude in Revelation 6 and that in Revelation 19. Men who feared God and hid from him will now openly fight against Christ; and the blasphemy of Antichrist (no doubt taking credit for killing the 2 prophets as well as ending the misery they caused and apparently having been healed from a deadly wound) will have much to do with that. The description in Zechariah 11:17 gives detail of this. (see also Psalm 2).
Judgment does two things; it brings forth fruit to maturity for those who are of God's children and hardens hearts further of the unregenerate. Psalm 40 indicates that "many will see and fear" (verse 3). I postulate that may be a hidden or veiled reference to the Rapture. But certainly those who do wake up will see the signs and wonders that the 2 prophets have and will believe.
I may be different, but in my understanding of the Bible, I approach scripture simply and do not try to complicate things with preconceived ideas and let the Bible and the Holy Spirit do the interpretation. To me, a symbol will have a non-symbolic meaning.
A symbol represents something real, a real person, a real thing, or a historical event. When I read, I understand words in a literal sense first, then in a figurative or spiritual sense if the literal doesn't make sense.
Are the Christians now the Israel of God? Have the promises to Israel and the church merged into one common heritage? If so that brings up.
Will the promise of the land given to Abraham's seed, Isaac then Jacob be fulfilled? Isaiah 11:11-12Ezekiel 37:21-25Jeremiah 24:5-6 Ezekiel 34:11-12Ezekiel 36:24-26Hosea 3:4-5Micah 4:6-7Zechariah 13:8-9
Will Jesus the Messiah return and reign on the earth, with a rod of iron? Isaiah 2:1-4Isaiah 11:1-4Daniel 2:44Daniel 7:14Zechariah 14:1-4Jeremiah 3:17Revelation 2:26-27Revelation 11:15Revelation 12:5Revelation 19:11-21.
Will there be a literal millennium during which Satan will not deceive the nations and Christ will reign on earth? Revelation 20:1-62 Timothy 2:11-12Isaiah 2:2-4Isaiah 11:5-16Isaiah 65:19-25Isaiah 51:4-5Zechariah 14:16-21Micah 4:1-4Psalms 46:7-11Matthew 19:28.
To me there are too many scriptures that are showing God has not replaced Israel with the Church. We see in Romans 11:24-27 a day when God will again turn to Israel, the day Jesus returns. Forgive me if some of the scriptures do not fit.
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Israel represents the fig tree in scripture.
Hosea 9:10.
Jeremiah 24:2-3.
Joel 1:7.
This generation is a particular people of this time. (Israel)
Generations is used in that way in scripture as a particular people or Genealogy as seen in Genesis 5:1 and other places.
SO YOU KNOW IT IS NEAR WHEN YOU SEE ISRAEL START TO BLOSOM.
THAT DIDNT HAPPEN IN 70 AD.
Back to Daniel 9:24.
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Reconciliation. Jesus done that on the cross, but no one is reconciled until they believe. As a Nation Israel still rejects Christ and will continue until the tribulation. Hosea 5:15, Matthew 23:39.
To finish the transgression. That refers to Israel. Zachariah 12:10 "The last days.
to bring in everlasting righteousness.
To anoint the most Holy. I also believe that's the Holy of holiness. but I believe that is in the Millennium temple that Ezekiel is talking about in the 41st through the 46 chapter.
Are you referring to what Daniel references in Daniel 9:2, if so: Daniel is speaking about Jeremiah's promise & Prophecy given by GOD to Israel about their return from captivity. Jeremiah 29:10
Jeremiah covers the capture of each area & continues to warn them to repent. Jeremiah 1:1-3, Jeremiah 4:1-2, Jeremiah 5:1, Jeremiah 7:1-15, Jeremiah 10:20-21, Jeremiah 11, Jeremiah 12, Jeremiah 34:8-22,
Jeremiah 20:1-2, Jeremiah 21:1-2, king Zedekiah, Jeremiah 22, Jeremiah 24:1, Jeconiah son of Jehoiakim King of Judah, Jeremiah 25:1-3, 4th yr. of Johoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah . Jeremiah 32:1-2, Jeremiah 34:1-7,
Daniel was taken into captivity as young boy, Daniel 1:1, Daniel 9:1-2, Jeremiah 29:10, but looks to have returned in Ezra 8:2
Note: Jeremiah 37:1-3, king Zedekiah instead, Coniah only mentioned here & Jeremiah 22:24,28, not in Isaiah or other Books in Bible of this account, including the Books of Kings, nor the Books of Chronicles.
Salvation is a new creation in you performed by God.
Salvation is when "GOD TRANSFORM YOU" after you truly believing and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been transformed from dead to life. we're not perfect but we are transformed.
Here's a few old testament scripture that gives a description of salvation and how it's performed.
Deuteronomy 30:6. And the LORD thy God will CIRCUMCISE thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. "Here you see the lord cutting away filthy flesh from your heart."
vs. 8. " This is what God causes you to do after cutting away the "flesh".
"And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day."
Jeremiah 24:7.
Jeremiah 31:33-34.
Jeremiah 32:38-40.
"I like vs 40! Eternal Security found in the old testament!
( And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me)
Ezekiel 11:19.
Ezekiel 36:25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I CLEANSE YOU.
Ezekiel 36:26-27. "Salvation is a cleansing!"
Salvation is a transformation by Gods spirit in you, and that comes by way of Jesus.
Salvation is a new creation in you performed by God.
Salvation is when "GOD TRANSFORM YOU" after you truly believing and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been transformed from dead to life. we're not perfect but we are transformed.
Here's a few old testament scripture that gives a description of salvation.
Deuteronomy 30:6. And the LORD thy God will CIRCUMCISE thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. "Here you see the lord cutting away filthy flesh from your heart."
vs. 8. " This is what God causes you to do after cutting away the "flesh".
"And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day."
Jeremiah 24:7.
Jeremiah 31:33-34.
Jeremiah 32:38-40.
Ezekiel 11:19.
Ezekiel 36:25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I CLEANSE YOU.
Ezekiel 36:26-27. "Salvation is a cleansing!"
Salvation is a transformation by Gods spirit in you, and that comes by way of Jesus.
"I will put my Law in their minds, and write it on their hearts;...and they shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them." Jeremiah 24:7
That doesn't sound like an optional statement. God says he will do it, it will happen. In this age or ages to come.
All men who have lived will go through God's fire in the ages to come to burn away their flesh (sin, old man, old nature) the ones who succeed in this age, are the overcomers, the first born, who make it to the first resurrection, and reign with Christ for 1000 years on the Earth.
That is part of our inheritance.
The fire is not literal, it is the fire of God. For example when we deny our fleshly desires, and hear his voice, and heed it, it hurts. To not get your way, and die to your sinful desires and to take up that cross daily, and standing true to him among pagans and withstanding being mocked for walking with him, that is going through the fire.
How can mainstream Christians reconcile Romans 14:11
for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Do Christians really think sinners will be forced to confess and bow? And when they do God will still throw them in a literal fire to burn forever? How ridiculous is that?
I'm thankful we have a Creator that is ALL Loving, ALL Merciful, and All Powerful.
With those traits combined, I really don't think he will let a soul he has created, to be wasted.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.
God sees the figs as people both good and evil, as Jesus saw the fig tree, as fruitful from afar and when He came upon it, the tree was not fruitful at all, and he cursed the tree. Jesus saw the tree as the people, who appeared to be fruitful, but they had not the fruit of the spirit. The fig tree had the leaves, but did not produce the fruit. If there is no fruit spiritually, we are dead.
I look forward to the time that vs. 7 is completely fulfilled. I look forward to having a relationship with my heavenly father, the way he intended it to be.
Jeremiah 24:7
And I will give them a heart to know me, that I am Jehovah. They will become my people, and I will become their God, for they will return to me with all their heart
God wanted to see his people return from their evil ways and egg knowledge him that he is God and know that he is God alone so I think he was giving them a opportunity to repent for their sins and know that he is there God
Jesus christ is the only way to heaven, so as many that believe in Him till His returning back to take His people, i.e, believers, and His people Israelits, will make it to the land that God the father promised which is heaven,remember He said in verse 7 "I will give them an heart to know me, that i am the Lord....they shall return unto me.while the weaked and the evil doers will end up in heal.
We are not to be drawn away after the seditions of zealots and patriots, like those who relentlessly fought against the Chaldeans and the Romans, and were eventually the cause of their whole country's destruction. The commandments of our Lord Jesus Christ are for our life in all its circumstances, and for everything we are set to encounter. Proud men will hate us for this, but we must fear God.
YISRAEL WILL RETURN HOME VERY SOON WITH YAHUSHA LEADING THE WAY. PEOPLE OF THE TAST GET READY YOUR REDEMPTION IS CLOSE AT HAND. HAIL YAHUAH!!!!!!! SHALOM
To Litsme thistime" I`ll add that when Christ was on earth Isreal had been scattered 600 years and that would put Judah captive 400 years at the point or to mark time in undrrstanding. The 10 tribes were took captive by Syria 600 years before Christ and went over the Caucas Mnts. And settle in Europ and are the Christians Nations. Judah return or most of them to Jerusalem after their captivety.I hope I got it right itsme thistime. What a handle you have.
Mark 13:28 Christ tells us "Learn the parable of the fig tree" letting us know that it is imperative that those who follow Him learn this scripture. This let's us know we are in the last generation RIGHT NOW, because Judah had not been in Jerusalem since before Christ was born, until 1948 when they were aloud to return after WWII. To rephrase for better understanding, this parable let's us know that the end wouldn't come until Judah returned to Jerusalem. Judah was taken captive by the babylonians hundreds of years before Christ was on the earth, and had not returned until May 15, 1948, signifying the beginning of th last generation, or "the generation of the fig tree"
Assuming the church is gone; as far as the operation of the Holy Spirit as the restrainer now stands or as salt and light we see the familiar war; famine and pestilence pattern of judgments gallop forth with the seal judgments. This time of "Jacob's trouble" ( Jeremiah 30:7) also contains a promise that eventually they will be delivered out of it.
Verses on war; famine and pestilence
Jeremiah 24:10 is one of many passages in the Old Testament prophetic books warning of the sword; famine and pestilence. At least two out of 3 of these judgments are proclaimed in numerous other passages such as Lamentations 4:9; Ezekiel 5:12; and many other places in these same books. The Gospels also warn of such events in the birth pangs warnings in Matthew 24:8.
There is a basic change that I have noted between the attitude in Revelation 6 and that in Revelation 19. Men who feared God and hid from him will now openly fight against Christ; and the blasphemy of Antichrist (no doubt taking credit for killing the 2 prophets as well as ending the misery they caused and apparently having been healed from a deadly wound) will have much to do with that. The description in Zechariah 11:17 gives detail of this. (see also Psalm 2).
Judgment does two things; it brings forth fruit to maturity for those who are of God's children and hardens hearts further of the unregenerate. Psalm 40 indicates that "many will see and fear" (verse 3). I postulate that may be a hidden or veiled reference to the Rapture. But certainly those who do wake up will see the signs and wonders that the 2 prophets have and will believe.
I may be different, but in my understanding of the Bible, I approach scripture simply and do not try to complicate things with preconceived ideas and let the Bible and the Holy Spirit do the interpretation. To me, a symbol will have a non-symbolic meaning.
A symbol represents something real, a real person, a real thing, or a historical event. When I read, I understand words in a literal sense first, then in a figurative or spiritual sense if the literal doesn't make sense.
Are the Christians now the Israel of God? Have the promises to Israel and the church merged into one common heritage? If so that brings up.
Will the promise of the land given to Abraham's seed, Isaac then Jacob be fulfilled? Isaiah 11:11-12 Ezekiel 37:21-25 Jeremiah 24:5-6 Ezekiel 34:11-12 Ezekiel 36:24-26 Hosea 3:4-5 Micah 4:6-7 Zechariah 13:8-9
Will Jesus the Messiah return and reign on the earth, with a rod of iron? Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 11:1-4 Daniel 2:44 Daniel 7:14 Zechariah 14:1-4 Jeremiah 3:17 Revelation 2:26-27 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 12:5 Revelation 19:11-21.
Will there be a literal millennium during which Satan will not deceive the nations and Christ will reign on earth? Revelation 20:1-6 2 Timothy 2:11-12 Isaiah 2:2-4 Isaiah 11:5-16 Isaiah 65:19-25 Isaiah 51:4-5 Zechariah 14:16-21 Micah 4:1-4 Psalms 46:7-11 Matthew 19:28.
To me there are too many scriptures that are showing God has not replaced Israel with the Church. We see in Romans 11:24-27 a day when God will again turn to Israel, the day Jesus returns. Forgive me if some of the scriptures do not fit.
God bless,
RLW
Part 3.
Matthew 24:32-34.
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Israel represents the fig tree in scripture.
Hosea 9:10.
Jeremiah 24:2-3.
Joel 1:7.
This generation is a particular people of this time. (Israel)
Generations is used in that way in scripture as a particular people or Genealogy as seen in Genesis 5:1 and other places.
SO YOU KNOW IT IS NEAR WHEN YOU SEE ISRAEL START TO BLOSOM.
THAT DIDNT HAPPEN IN 70 AD.
Back to Daniel 9:24.
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Reconciliation. Jesus done that on the cross, but no one is reconciled until they believe. As a Nation Israel still rejects Christ and will continue until the tribulation. Hosea 5:15, Matthew 23:39.
To finish the transgression. That refers to Israel. Zachariah 12:10 "The last days.
to bring in everlasting righteousness.
To anoint the most Holy. I also believe that's the Holy of holiness. but I believe that is in the Millennium temple that Ezekiel is talking about in the 41st through the 46 chapter.
I will have to leave off here for now Ronald.
God bless.
Matthew 7, Matthew 15:7-9, Matthew 23, Matthew 25:31-46, 1Peter 2:1, Isaiah 9:17, Isaiah 32:6, Isaiah 33:14, 1Timothy 4, Job 8:13, Isaiah 58, Malachi 2:6-17, Malachi 3, Jeremiah 22:1-17, Jeremiah 24:10-22, = Jeremiah 39:10, Jeremiah 52:16,
Psalms 37,
Hopefully these are helpful
Jeremiah 12:15, Jeremiah 16:15, Jeremiah 24:5,6, Jeremiah 30,
Hopefully these are helpful in trying to answer your question. If you're searching something else, ask & hopefully we/I can help you
Jeremiah 20:1-2, Jeremiah 21:1-2, king Zedekiah, Jeremiah 22, Jeremiah 24:1, Jeconiah son of Jehoiakim King of Judah, Jeremiah 25:1-3, 4th yr. of Johoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah . Jeremiah 32:1-2, Jeremiah 34:1-7,
Prophetic promise: Jeremiah 23:3-7, Jeremiah 30:3-4, Jeremiah 31, Jeremiah 33:7-17,
Jeremiah 29, note Jeremiah 29:1-4,
Daniel was taken into captivity as young boy, Daniel 1:1, Daniel 9:1-2, Jeremiah 29:10, but looks to have returned in Ezra 8:2
Note: Jeremiah 37:1-3, king Zedekiah instead, Coniah only mentioned here & Jeremiah 22:24,28, not in Isaiah or other Books in Bible of this account, including the Books of Kings, nor the Books of Chronicles.
Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
"Answer"
Salvation is life!
Salvation is a new creation in you performed by God.
Salvation is when "GOD TRANSFORM YOU" after you truly believing and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been transformed from dead to life. we're not perfect but we are transformed.
Here's a few old testament scripture that gives a description of salvation and how it's performed.
Deuteronomy 30:6. And the LORD thy God will CIRCUMCISE thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. "Here you see the lord cutting away filthy flesh from your heart."
vs. 8. " This is what God causes you to do after cutting away the "flesh".
"And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day."
Jeremiah 24:7.
Jeremiah 31:33-34.
Jeremiah 32:38-40.
"I like vs 40! Eternal Security found in the old testament!
( And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me)
Ezekiel 11:19.
Ezekiel 36:25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I CLEANSE YOU.
Ezekiel 36:26-27. "Salvation is a cleansing!"
Salvation is a transformation by Gods spirit in you, and that comes by way of Jesus.
New Testament references.
John 15:1-8.
John 10:27-29.
John 6:45.
Ephesians 2:1-10.
Philippians 1:6.
Colossians 3:10.
Romans 6:17-18.
God bless.
Salvation is life!
Salvation is a new creation in you performed by God.
Salvation is when "GOD TRANSFORM YOU" after you truly believing and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been transformed from dead to life. we're not perfect but we are transformed.
Here's a few old testament scripture that gives a description of salvation.
Deuteronomy 30:6. And the LORD thy God will CIRCUMCISE thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. "Here you see the lord cutting away filthy flesh from your heart."
vs. 8. " This is what God causes you to do after cutting away the "flesh".
"And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day."
Jeremiah 24:7.
Jeremiah 31:33-34.
Jeremiah 32:38-40.
Ezekiel 11:19.
Ezekiel 36:25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I CLEANSE YOU.
Ezekiel 36:26-27. "Salvation is a cleansing!"
Salvation is a transformation by Gods spirit in you, and that comes by way of Jesus.
New Testament references.
John 15:1-8.
John 10:27-29.
John 6:45.
Ephesians 2:1-10.
Philippians 1:6.
Colossians 3:10.
Romans 6:17-18.
I know this is a lot,
I pray you read over them.
God bless.
That doesn't sound like an optional statement. God says he will do it, it will happen. In this age or ages to come.
All men who have lived will go through God's fire in the ages to come to burn away their flesh (sin, old man, old nature) the ones who succeed in this age, are the overcomers, the first born, who make it to the first resurrection, and reign with Christ for 1000 years on the Earth.
That is part of our inheritance.
The fire is not literal, it is the fire of God. For example when we deny our fleshly desires, and hear his voice, and heed it, it hurts. To not get your way, and die to your sinful desires and to take up that cross daily, and standing true to him among pagans and withstanding being mocked for walking with him, that is going through the fire.
How can mainstream Christians reconcile Romans 14:11
for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Do Christians really think sinners will be forced to confess and bow? And when they do God will still throw them in a literal fire to burn forever? How ridiculous is that?
I'm thankful we have a Creator that is ALL Loving, ALL Merciful, and All Powerful.
With those traits combined, I really don't think he will let a soul he has created, to be wasted.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.
Jeremiah 24:7
And I will give them a heart to know me, that I am Jehovah. They will become my people, and I will become their God, for they will return to me with all their heart
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