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Hi Chuck.

I believe there is 2 keys to these passages starting from John 15:1-12.

For starters Jesus says I am the "true" vine. I think that was in contrast of Israel being a degenerate vine.

Jeremiah 2:21. Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the DEGENERATE PLANT OF A STRANGE VINE UNTO ME?

Israel done things be ordinances and command, The law couldn't change you from within.

I believe the key here is who's PRODUCING the fruit.

See here in

John 15:4-5. Abide in me, and I in you. As THE BRANCH CANNOT BEAR FRUIT OF ITSELF, EXCEPT IT ABIDE IN THE VINE; NO MORE CAN YE, EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: FOR WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING.

This phrase means that Jesus will fellowship with the believer. The idea is this: "He who abides in me, with me abiding in him." There is a dynamic with Christ that takes place when believers allow Christ to abide in them. The person who has Christ abiding in him or her bears "much fruit." I believe with Christ in you, What ever you ask for will be in his will for you.

God bless.

A great example of any man made religion is Jeremiah 2:13, Our God is a fountain of living water religion is nothing but broken cisterns, also God was talking to His People We have the fountain through Jesus Christ.

Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I DON'T BELIEVE the scriptures can contradict themselves.

There are hundreds of places in the scriptures that say ALL will worship GOD.

They can not worship God if they are in Hell.



In Ezekiel 5 and Zachariah 13 it says a third will be brought through the fire; Revelation 9:18 says a third are killed by fire, smoke and brimstone. These have to be the same third as in Ezekiel and Zachariah because verse 20 says the rest repented not. This same third is the ones in Revelation 8.

Revelation 19 The whole chapter is about the ones called to the marriage supper. Before we can come to the supper we have to be cleansed. We are cast into the lake of fire (vs 20). We have our flesh destroyed (vs 21). God is no respector of persons. Have we ever been fearful, unbelieving, liars. Revelation 21:8 says all these will have their part in the lake of fire. Did not Christ have victory over DEATH AND THE GRAVE Revelation 20:14 says DEATH AND THE GRAVE were destroyed by the lake of fire.

I BELIEVE ALL THINGS HAVE AN APPOINTED TIME

Ecclesiastes 3

I believe ALL things are by the will of God; good and bad. His will is always carried out by man; but THE WORKS ARE OF GOD. Therefore GOD will have mercy on ALL; but in HIS appointed TIME.

Jeremiah 2:19 Thine own wickedness shall CORRECT THEE ......

Jeremiah 46:28 ......but I will not make a full end of thee, but CORRECT THEE in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly UNPUNISHED.

Psalms 94:10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall he not CORRECT? ......

FOR MEDITATION: If the damned have a natural body at their resurrection; literal fire will kill them in a few seconds. If they are resurrected with a glorified body: literal fire can't hurt them.

SPIRITUAL FIRE CAN hurt both; natural and glorified.

Thank you for that information; I would have liked to know more about the first Bible you mentioned, with the missing first page, & done some research on it. I can agree with the other reference you gave from the other Bible (i.e. Genesis 6:5 with Romans 1:28-31), even though I don't have that particular cross reference in my Bible. But to connect Jeremiah 2:23 to Genesis 3:12.13 is mystifying to me.

Anyway, I tried to do a Cross-Reference search via Open Bible & I did find these two references, along with many others, that were cross referenced to Genesis 3:12,13. Maybe you could go back to that old Bible you used to find this reference & see where the cross reference is applied, as where the a, b, c, etc are placed are important.

Apparently, in Genesis 3:13, the phrase "What is this that thou hast done?" is the connection to Jeremiah 2:23, "know what thou hast done". So the cross reference has nothing to do with dromedaries, but only a connection to "thou hast done". Any other connection would seem totally unreasonable, whether in context or in English usage. So, I won't pursue further your application of the dromedary to how God looks at us sinners; or even the use of other animals (fish, gnats, creeping things, etc.) for the same reason. Maybe, it might be interesting to check out your other cross references, particularly associating the various types of fornication to being the cause of other sins. As you know, I understand that fornication is just another sin along with every other sin.

I have used three different Bibles. One I had to put away, it was overused and worn out and the first page is gone that tells me who printed it. That Bible gives me the cross reference from Jeremiah 2:23, "(1)How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? See thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done; thou art a swift dromedary traversing her way." A swift dromedary is a camel, a beast. And the cross-reference in my King James Study Bible takes us back to Adam and Eve. (1) Gen. 3:12, 13 "The woman thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat." Husbands and wives who commit original sin cannot say they are not a false image of God for they are a false image and they break the second commandment. When God looks at them, he sees a camel. The other two do not give that reference. This explains the woe to the hypocrites that say you strain at a nat and swallow a camel. You preach about the lesser sins which are not a trespass and then you commit a trespass, swallow a camel.

I use a Bible from NBP, The National Bible Press-Philadelphia. That one gives many references to Romans 1. Example, Gen. 6:5, (1) "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." The cross reference (1) sends me to Romans 1:28-31."

The other Bible I use is published by "The world Publishing Company in Ohio. It also gives many references to Romans 1. In my study notes I have recorded many cross references to Romans 1. And there are many.

When you understand the second commandment that those given to unnatural sex are seen by God to be animals, creeping things, fish, beasts, etc, then look at how many times those are mentioned in scripture. Example: Peter fished for fish and God told him to go out into the deep and you will catch men. You have to think deeper to put men and women in the church. Beasts are mentioned over and over again in Scripture.

You mention Romans 1:21-24. Verse 23 ""And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into images made like to corruptible man, and birds, and fourfooted beasts and creeping things." Those people mentioned in Romans, those given to unnatural sex, have made false images of God. They are false images of God. When God looks at them he sees, animals, beasts, birds, and creeping things. This breaks the second commandment which reads, " Ex. 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." God sees the sexually perverse as animals, etc. Remember when he comes to earth he states this is a generation of vipers? A viper is a snake and Jesus sees an entire generation as snakes---creeping things.

God sees Adam and Eve as camels. Jeremiah 2:23, " How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? See thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done; thou art a swift dromedary traversing her way." A swift dromedary is a camel, a beast. And the cross-reference in my King James Study Bible takes us back to Adam and Eve. Gen. 3:12, "The woman thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat." Husbands and wives who commit unnatural sex cannot say they are not a false image of God for they are a false image. God see them as a camel. They break the second commandment. When God looks at them, he sees a camel.

Blessing, Josephine, in Jesus' Matchless name.

Emerods are painful sores. God told His people, the Israelites, that if they obeyed His laws, they would receive blessings and safely in The Promised Land, but if they disobeyed Him they would receive curses from Him that includes emerods. Deu 28:27The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

These weren't ordinary boils or hemeroids. These were much, much worse.

When the Philistines defeated Israel in a battle, they captured The Ark of The LORD and put it in the temple to their god, Dagon. You can read about it in 1 Samuel 4, 5 & 6. Their false god, Dagon, got trashed!!! Cool stuff! Don't mess with The One and True God! All the men of city and the environs were plagued with emerods from God. It was not just annoying but it was devastating. The Philistines had 5 cities so they each volunteered to take the Ark but when they did, the men of the city got plagued with this terrible deadly scourge.

And chapter 5 ends, 1Sa 5:12And the men that died not were smitten with the emerods: and the cry of the city went up to heaven.

In chapter 6, the Philistines send the Ark back to Israel along with some golden images to appease The God of Israel.

The take away: When Israel sinned against God, they paid a terrible price and that also affected the nations around them. When we believers sin, even though we are forgiven by Jesus' death and resurrection, we bear the consequences of sin and often those around us are affected as well.

Eph 5:8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light

what are emeroids

I love jesus praise the lord

JOHN 15:1 Jesus says I am the "true" vine. When we think of a vine here's what we must consider; The vine sharing a common life source with the branches, The dependency of the branches on that vine, and the fact that the branches bare fruit, that's why they're there. Here is a few other verses using the idiom the vine. Psalms 80:8-9. "Israel called a vine brought out of Egypt". Isaiah 5:1-7. Jeremiah 2:21, "Israel called a degenerate vine". Hosea 10:1, "an empty vine". I believe this meant to contrast Israel mission as the vine, "HOWEVER there mission is not over" but i want to put our focus on the True vine and the difference between the two. Here is what's important and should'nt be overlooked, Israel was able to show the world then and now the Law which was holy even when executed could never change the heart of man. That's what the study of Hebrews is about. Especially Hebrews 10:16, the Lord says; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS. This is where the ministry of Holy spirit comes in. without him we can do nothing, you are the branches, examine your fruit. it should be wrapped in Love, not outwardly first but inwardly then expressed outwardly. That's how the Lord is forming his church to shine light on a dark world, including our nation. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2 Tim.2:4. and this is the spirit that should reside in you now. it want be born in you later as some say. THANK YOU

Is malachi 4- 5 &6 fulfill or to be fulfill

weather people like president trump or not weather he knows it or not he has already fullfilled one of the last propheciesin the bible prior to jesus return. Moveing the U.S Emabassy in isreal back to Jerusalem and recognizing jerusalem as the capitial of Isreal is one of the prophecies that must be fullfilled no other president in history was able to do that.In case anyone wants to know where i stand it isnt with biden thats for sure. this pandimic natural desaters and courrpution isnt nothing compared to whats about to happen Read your book of revelationis unfolding right before our eyes. everyday the bounderies of sin are being pushed futher and further i for one is wqnting to go with my Father to heaven.

For years, both Israel & Judah continually turned their faces from serving God to serve idols & commit other sins. For this, they went into captivity as punishment. But the Lord promised them to bring them out of captivity & so we read (of Judah) in Jeremiah 29:10-14, where the Lord said that after 70 years He will visit them again & they will once again call upon the Name of the True God, they will pray to Him, & He will listen to Him; they will seek Him & find Him when they search for Him with all their heart.

what verse in chapter 2 i find whenhad they sought GOD

Interestingly, authors sometimes use the 'third person' rather than the 'first person' nouns or pronouns. We can see it in Numbers 12:1-4 when Moses uses it in his writing. Also, John 13:23, John was speaking about himself as the "disciple whom Jesus loved". Jeremiah 1:1: "The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah" but in Jeremiah 2:1, he says "the Word of the Lord came to me". And Paul in 2 Corinthians 2:2, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago", referring to himself.

So, it's not unusual for authors to write in the first or third person, but the reason they do it can be varied. Maybe, they prefer that style, or to keep the focus on another in some special context, or even to avoid being too forward in their writing by using the first person pronoun. And then again, these same authors can revert to the first person elsewhere, so we can't judge them without knowing their purpose for doing so but as long as we can understand & appreciate the message they gave.

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your response concerning Jeremiah 4.

Please don't feel that you have to apologize for your disagreement with how I see these verses, as respectful discourse brings forth better understanding.

I agree that the context must be examined and the interpretation of Scripture must be attained before any application to other Scripture is introduced and personal opinions are then formed.

You are correct that Jeremiah 4 is talking about Israel's spiritual condition. In fact, I believe that all the way from Jeremiah 2:1-20:18 concerns prophecies that are addressed to the people of Judah and Israel.

Through Jeremiah, God is letting His people know that they forgot what He remembers in Jeremiah 2:2-3.

In the particular passage of Jeremiah 4:19-31, God is letting His people know that they have become "sottish" = stupid. They have even forgotten how God had once made the earth to become 'without form, and void' (covered with water) and took His light away from the heavens: How He destroyed that first earth and heaven age due to the rebellion of Satan.

The four "I beheld" ( Jeremiah 4:23-26) are the words of God Himself, not Jeremiah, and I believe that He is referring to the condition the earth is found in at Genesis 1:2. I don't think this is a future punishment of Israel, but a reminder of the great Judgment from that time period.

The word "void" is found only twice in Scripture in the form of the Hebrew word "tohuw" meaning a 'vacuity,' an indistinguishable 'ruin.' That is Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23.

You answer so many questions and are a help to many people on this site, and to myself as well, many thanks.

I don't want to bother you with two more questions, but I am typing this out, so.......

I am wondering if you believe in three earth and heaven ages?

Is there a time period before Satan's punishment in the Garden of Eden that you place his fall for his conflict with God?

Thank You in advance,

EJL

1. I do believe the Corona Virus was made by mankind, and then gotten released by the Chinese Communist Party leaders and there is no honest reporting in how the corona Virus was released accidental. The matter was released, covered from the world, and even the World Health Organization covered for the C.C.P. leaders. Where did this Corona Virus come from, what countries had the Corona Virus, was this Corona Virus part of Bio-chemical Research Warfare or released to find or do a cure research? The rich and Pharmacy Market are going to profit by getting a successful cure. The C.C.P. had this type of Corona Virus secretly, and in due time it was accidental released with no official civil or legal consequences. This Corona Virus spread world wide, millions have died by a accidental release, the Globalist must be happy the world's population has gone down somewhat. Maybe the Globalist will use Biochemical to depopulate systematic. There are yet 7 vials, bowls or judgements or plagues to come upon this earth ending in Rev..16:17-21; 2. It is written brethren can only be righteous still or holy still in Rev.22:11; I have never met a holy Christian that claim he or she was perfect, and did not sin anymore. I have heard some Christian talk about love a lot, but they do not love in word or deed. They claim to love God, but they do not obey God. You would think someone that sinned much would love or obey God more.-read Luke 7:40-47; They love to sing songs of love, but they also sing foolish songs or songs that make no sense. Like the words in the song, Friend of Jesus or Friendship with Jesus. People meet in church, in a darken room, with dim lights, shaken their heads with their hair following their head shaken in the same direction. It is like you are in a dim light rock and roll concert, people moving to the flow of the fast music.

Jeremiah 2:34

Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.

Jeremiah 19:4

Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;

See also Jeremiah 31:15 This happened in Bethlehem after Mary and Joseph had left to flee into Egypt because Herod was seeking to kill newborn Jesus.

Regarding John 7:38: "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."

The question is answered in the next verse. John 7:39: "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

The illustration is of the Holy Ghost like a fountain of water gushing up from within the believer, giving all that pertains to the life more abundant, to testify to the glory of Jesus Christ.

In Genesis 16, the angel of the LORD found Hagar by a fountain of water in the wilderness which she then called Beerlahairoi (well of the Living One seeing me).

Later in Genesis 26:19 Isaac's servants digged in the valley, and found there a well of springing water (also called living water as opposed to a well that needed to be drawn from by hand).

In Exodus 17, the LORD told Moses to smite the rock so that water would flow out to quench the thirst of the complaining Israelites. This is a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ.

The LORD had a controversy with his people in Jeremiah 2:13, "For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water."

#1 You say this Corona 19 Virus is not a plague, but it is a deep thorough sifting of the whole world, those that are loving God's presence are sure that God is not looking to kill them. As the Enslaved Jews had to vow their pledge to the living God in putting Lambs Blood on their door mantle which kept the destroyer from killing their first born. That blood represents the nature and word of Jesus that when you have your personal Pentecost experience speaking in heavenly tongues You also are acting IN Christ and God himself now is dwelling in you to finish to sinless perfection the full nature and relationship of Jesus manifesting God from your soul. So if you think to call the Virus not a plague Oh well you may hold to that God is love and yet tornados and storms come but a Perfected Christian like Jesus tells them to cease. But as in Revelations and through this Plague we see God has shut down all public churches for preaching against His and Jesus strange new thing to make us Perfect able to hang with God in our sins until those sins are no more by God's speaking to the believer and thru the reading of the bible and Perfected ministers preaching. But these God told John the Divine do not measure these false Christian churches because they are in the outer court not part of the Kingdom of God because they are saying all NO ONE IS Perfect meaning Jesus died a failure if so God wants to create Christ in each of us. They washed their garments with fullers soap and where wearing white robes meaning no sin nature of Jesus manifesting the Fathers heart mind and presence from their souls. The glory of God.

#2 to believe that Jesus 2nd Coming refers to a time at the end of the Grace Age work of God to make you in Jesus image, sinless Perfect is a one time thing is quite unscriptural Jesus coming in the clouds refers to clouds being Ministers Perfected. Then they preach Perfection in Christ throughout the entire Grace Age starting with the apostles, thus sayeth the Lord

Angela, from research, I've learned that Noph & Tahapanes were cities in Egypt; afterwards called Memphis (for Noph) & Alcairo, or Grand Cairo (for Tahapanes). At the time of Jeremiah, these cities were allies with Israel & in whom Israel put their trust when attacked. However, something happened in this alliance & these Egyptian cities turned against Israel (it may have happened when Pharoahnecho, king of Egypt went to war against the king of Assyria, & Judah's king Josiah went to help but instead was killed & his son Jehoahaz was eventually taken captive to Egypt after being temporarily crowned. You can read it in 2 Kings 23:29-35).

So that these Egyptian cities "have broken the crown off thy head", refers to Pharoahnecho's slaying of Judah's king & making Israel subservient to Egypt.

How did o the children of Noph and Tahapanes break the crown of thy head?

I don't believe this virus is a plague, but man made. When Jesus comes a second time a great trumpet will sound. This has not happened. Mat 24:31. Also we are warned that false profits will tell us that this is a sign of end times. Not true Mat 24:31/ Rev 1:7.

yes, hello, I am curious; who thinks that this virus that is going around is possibly a plague?
considering were living in the last days!! Oh by the way; God is Good!!! I am thankful for my salvation, thankful for where God has brought me from, abusive childhood, he set me free from a very abusive ex husband; He has made mw whole...

In this chapter we again learn from GOD. We learn sins were sown by those called by GOD. After a serious consideration of all the above we should be able to reach a conclusion that in 2020 we have repeated all of the above sins. Yes, in 2020 sins again has being overwhelmingly sown globally either individually or collectively where applicable according to THE ENTIRE BOOK OF REVELATION. Therefore as GOD dealt with sins back then so shall GOD deal with sins today. Nevertheless thank GOD for John 3:16-21 the best investment ever offered to mankind. Thank GOD for life on earth and especially ETERNAL LIFE in HIS KINGDOM according to the BOOK OF REVELATION.

My pastor is currently speaking on this word. She is reminding us that God has a plan, a purpose, and a role for each of us just as He had for Jeremiah.

This chapter was brought up when I googled "What is more important, your family or soulwinning?"
It seems very important that God's work comes first! If not at least at the same time!

V. 22 - we cannot save ourselves through our own works - BEFORE we repent; THEN by faith in Jesus we do the works of salvation, i.e. witnessing, church attendance ( Heb. 10:25), love, not condemnation to our fellow man, righteous living, prayer for souls, reading His Word daily. Jas. ch. "If a man have faith and not works, can faith save him? For ye se that faith without works is dead."

God gave the Israelites nothing but good things when He brought them into the Promised Land but they showed an unappreciative spirit and repaid Jehovah God's loving kindness with badness.

It could possibly mean he was talking to things greater than man. Possibly the angels was his audience, those who know the goodness and truthfulness of the Lord while those below them turned their back upon him.