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Job 12:9-11

9Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of theLordhath wrought this?

10In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

11Doth not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his meat?

12With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.

13With him is wisdom and strength, he hath counsel and understanding.

Do you believe that doth ear try words? the ancient wisdom can be use today and the keys unto woman?

I believe every one is born of God and has to have the ears to hear from him and mouth to eat from God but I still feel they choose whether or not how they have life.

Yes I believe and for me the ancient wisdom of God will work in current today with the keys of life unto woman! And I'm a private example and choose life from God to lengthen my days.

Hi Verleen.

I would like to add to what Gigi and Richard has shared with the focus on your last question.

"how can one know that God exists if no one has seen him?"

First I would like to draw your attention to Psalms 19:1-4. Carefully read it.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

( EVERY PERSON CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO KNOW THAT GOD EXIST AND THAT HE HAS PLACED US HERE).

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

( MAN, WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF THE SCRIPTURE IS ACCOUNTABLE TO KNOW THERE'S GOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE AND FUNCTION.)

AGAIN Verse 19. Because that which may be known of God is MANIFEST IN THEM; for God hath shewed it unto them.

CREATION IS DESIGNED!!

Job 38:8-11.

Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

GOD CONTROLS THE FLOODS AND THE WAVES, HE DRAWS A LINE AND CALLS THEM BACK.

More verses;

Job 12:7-10.

Job 26:7-8.

This evil world we live in denies the glory of God with its evolution theory and says it all came together by accident.

Hopefully others will share.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Job 12:16, Job 12:9-22, Colossians 1:18-29,

Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4, Jude 1, Zechariah 3, 1Chronicles 21:1, Job 1, Job 2, Matthew 4:10, Mark 1:13, Luke 4, Luke 22, John 13,

Mark 4:15, Luke 13:16, Acts 5, notice Acts 4:32-37, continued into Acts 5, - Acts 5:13, 1Corinthians 7:5, 2Corinthians 11:13,14, 2Thessalonians 2:9, John 7:24, Romans 14:13,

Acts 26:18, Romans 16:20, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 20, Psalms 98:9,

James 1:5,

Hopefully these give you wisdom

Remember to pray for wisdom: James 1:5, 2Timothy 2:15

1Samuel 31:11-13 note 1Samuel 31:9-11, 2Samuel 2:5-6, 2Samuel 2:4-7, there is no contradiction here notice the difference Amos 2:1, 2Samuel 21:12, 'stolen' translated word 'ganab' meaning= to theive, take away, get by stealth, ) they took, 1Samuel 31:12, I think it is to emphasise cover of darkness 1Samuel 31:12, dangerous 'valiant men" stole 2Samuel 21:12 because it was in the possession of they enemy as spoils of war. 1Samuel 31:7-10, Ecclesiastes 3:1-3,

1Kings 15:5, 1Samuel 24:21-22, 1Samuel 18:19, 1Samuel 21, = Matthew 12:3-12, Jesus words. 2Samuel 21, notice David honored his oath 2Samuel 21:17, No contradiction, notice : 1Samuel 18:21, 1Samuel 19:17 Saul, his own daughter, same daughter Saul didn't value her life? Adultery was also punishable by death, stoning! You pointed out Saul gave David's wife same woman to another blatantly adultery, I was more surprised by David's mercy by restoring her position, sparing her life from death penalty & also sparing the lovers life. 2Samuel 3:14-16,

Remember Saul's 1st daughter? She was promised to David, before the people, again this too could be considered adultery, treacherous, etc. 1Samuel 17:25-27, 1Samuel 18:17-19,25,

1Samuel 17:25-54, weird but again we see 'spoils of war' also, 1Thessalonians 4:8,

2Samuel 24:1, GOD moved him, Job 12:16, 2Samuel 2:16, 2Samuel 2, why wasn't she there, rejoicing in the LORD? 2Samuel 2:19,

Again pray for wisdom, hopefully helpful

Job 12:16, Revelation 12:10, James 1:5-7,

Wise men; Matthew 2,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Hi Jacki,

I hope you're not worried about the issues of the Earth being destroyed.

Job 5:10, Job 7:1, Job 9:2-15, Job 12:10, Job 34:12-15, Job 38,

Psalms 46, whole chapters 2Peter 3, Revelation 20,

Revelation 21,

There are many chapters & verses about these events. I recommend reading Revelation in it's entirety. You can do phrase & individual word searches on this site.

Hopefully these are helpful in your study & searching

Psalm 139

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15 My substance was NOT hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and IN THY BOOK, all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Psalms Chapter 127

3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb IS HIS REWARD.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Matthew 18:10

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 18:14. Even so IT IS NOT the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish (die).

Job 12:10. In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are MINE, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

I have another list that's even longer. It's written truth God is involved in the lives of the unborn.

IS MAN MORE THAN A BODY

Can you exist without God's breath and God's Spirit?

The answer is NO.

Job 12:10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the BREATH OF ALL MANKIND

You are only A VESSEL (made of clay).

The LIFE in that vessel is GOD.

YOU, the vessel, are doing what the LIFE (God) wants THE VESSEL TO DO.

Colossians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU (the vessel) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

God Bless You

I wrote this yesterday. S

Genesis 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a LIVING SOUL.

Ecclesiastes 3:18-21

I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?

Job 12:7-10 But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this?

***In His hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of ALL mankind.***

Ecclesiastes 12:7

And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Everything returns to dust upon death. The spirits return to God. (Immediately)

Genesis 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a LIVING SOUL.

Ecclesiastes 3:18-21

I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?

Job 35:11 Who teaches us more than the beasts of the earth and makes us wiser than the birds of the heavens?

Job 12:7-10 But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind.

** Ecclesiastes 12:7

And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and THE SPIRIT returns to God who gave it.

comment: Everything returns to dust upon death. The spirits return to God. [ there will be animals and birds in heaven]

There are great truths here in Job; proported to be the oldest narrative in scripture; largely held to be written by Moses. The subject of the afterlife is in great detail here. The perspective of the soul leaving the body after death (v. 10); and the concept of sheol are mentioned. In his compromised state; Job is convinced; it seems that he has no hope as those who would go to the place of torment; it would seem. In reality; since he was a man of God he would be where Lazarus went; a place of comfort or "Abraham's bosom" in the paradise section. Instead; Job sees his transgressions as it were sealed up (v. 17); and his flesh having pain; and his soul within him mourn AFTER death; it would appear after he is "sent away" v. 20. This looks much like the land of darkness and chaos in Job 12:25; and verse 24 is much like Ezekiel in description of the kings in the underworld as well. Verse 14 and 15 give a hope of his "change" and for the wrath to be past in v. 13 is similar to Daniel speaking of the Resurrection after the time of Jacob's trouble. Whether the O.T. saints are resurrected after the rapture of the church; and such timing is too much to get into here.

Job later states that in his flesh; he shall see God ( Job 19:26).

In these passages; declarations of truth during unbearable suffering give a lesson for saints today to do the same. This also was the case when Christ was suffering before His glorious resurrection. Trust in God must override everything else; for He is faithful; even when we are not.

DG on Job 12:9

Does Job 12:23

mean that God is the bone who makes 'our nation (S) great...oR is it man who by his convictions of doing right and serving the afflicted, and heeding to moral laws within their heart and soul etc.?

You are replying to a comment by "DG"

Responding to your question. please read Job 42:1-7

Job also recognized that he uttered and said what he did not understand.

things to wonderful for him. that "he knew not" or nothing.

he repented about what he said. and God said that job spoke things that is right

or he spoke truth. Job 40:3-5 proves that in grief and in agony and pain he spoke

things he did not understand. again however, he repented about all the things he did

not understand. then Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) said he spoke truth (by means of repentance and

taking back or correcting what he previously uttered in ignorance)

Thanks

2 Timothy 3:16,17

John 3:16,17

Does Job 12:23 mean that God is the bone who makes 'our nation (S) great...oR is it man who by his convictions of doing right and serving the afflicted, and heeding to moral laws within their heart and soul etc.?

Did you notice? David feared GOD & would not lay his hand on GOD's anointted & felt remorseful for cutting Saul's garment.

1 Samuel 24:4,5,6 , 1 Samuel 24:10,

Saul also ripped Samuel's garment 1 Samuel 15:27 however 1 Samuel 15:28-29. Even after remorseful repentance 1 Samuel 15:29,30,35

Do think the significance of the clothing was a factor? 1 Samuel 2:19, His mother's sacrifice 1 Samuel 1:28

Saul pursued David to kill him: 1 Samuel 19:1,10,11,15,

& Saul ordered the prophets of GOD killed, possibly unarmed, their families, livestock & nursing babies included.; 1 Samuel 22:17,18,19 Same Saul that left the enemy King & livestock alive in disobedience to GOD's orders. 1 Samuel 15:1,2,3,8,9,

Psalms 105:15

David's mercy 2 Samuel 9:3-7,

David's sin & judgement: 2 Samuel 12:7,9,11,12,14,18, 2 Samuel 13:1,6,7,8,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,28,29,30,31,32, after years 2 Samuel 14:25,30,31,32, 2 Samuel 15:6,10,12,13,14,16,23,30,31, 2 Samuel 16:3,5,6,7,8,11,13,22, 2 Samuel 17:21,23,29, 2 Samuel 18:5,7,9,10,12,14,15,17,20,27,32,33, 2 Samuel 19:1-4, "the sword did not depart from his house" etc. There were more scriptures about his consequences _.

Queen Vashti, consequence Ester 1:19, Ester 2:4

Saul then 1 Samuel 28:3,7,18,19

David has Psalms of remorseful repentance, gives glory to GOD ALMIGHTY, shows mercy & humility at times. With Saul he shows remorse but didn't read much of repentance, etc.

However the Bible says: 1 Colossians 1:20,

Job 12:16

Hopefully these are helpful in your study.

Norman, May the Spirit grace you with his understanding.

Angels are spirit messengers of God (Spirit). They perform the will of their God (Spirit). They are neither bad or good. Their messages can either be deceit of truth depending on the results their God (Spirit) desires. God (Spirit) uses both (deceit or truth) to cause the outcome he (Spirit) desires.

1 Kings 19-23 And he said, hear therefore the WORD of the Lord (Spirit): I saw the Lord (Spirit) sitting on his throne, and the host of heaven (spirit messengers) standing by him on his right hand and on his left,

(vs) 20 And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall (be killed) at Ramoth-gilead? And one (spirit messenger) said on this manner, and another (spirit messenger) said on that manner.

(vs) 21 And there came forth a spirit (messenger), and stood before the Lord, and said, I (spirit messenger) will persuade him (Ahab).

(vs) 22 And the Lord said unto him (spirit messenger), Wherewith (how)? And he said, I (spirit messenger) will go forth, and be a LYING spirit in the mouth of ALL his (Ahab's) prophets. And he (Lord) said, thou (spirit messenger) shalt persuade him (Ahab), and PREVAIL also; go forth and do so.

(vs) 23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a LYING spirit in the mouth of all thy (Ahab's) prophets, and the Lord hast spoken evil concerning thee (Ahab).

Job 12:16 .....the deceived and the deceiver are his (Lords)

Ezekiel 14:7-9 .......and cometh to a prophet (of the people) to inquire of him (prophet of the people) concerning me (Lord); I the Lord will answer him (prophet or the people)by myself:

(vs) 9 And if the prophet (of the people) be deceived when he has spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

May the Spirit grace you with his wisdom. ALL IS OF GOD

Suzanne, May the Spirit grace you with his understanding of his words:

Do Gods creatures have FREE WILL; or, are we the WORKS of the creator?

Ephesians 1:11 In whom (Spirit) also we have obtained (by grace) an inheritance (children), being predestinated (you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you. John 15:16) according to the purpose of him (Spirit) who WORKETH all things after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL:

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Spirit) which WORKETH in you both to WILL and to DO of his good pleasure.



Colossians 1:29 Whereunto, I (Paul) also labour, striving according to his (Spirit) WORKING, which WORKETH in me mightily.

Isaiah 26:12 Lord, thou (Spirit) wilt ordain peace for us: for thou (Spirit) also hast wrought (WORKED) all our WORKS in us.

Isaiah 44:26 ......that PERFORMETH the counsel of his (Spirit) messengers....

Psalm 57:2 I will cry unto God most high that PERFORMETH all things for me.

Proverbs 16: 33 The lot is cast into the lap (we were predestined); but the whole disposing (WORK) thereof is of the Lord (Spirit)

Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord (Spirit), as the rivers of water: he (Spirit) TURNETH it (man's heart) whithersoever he (Spirit) WILL.

Job 12:9 Who (man) knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord (Spirit) hath wrought (WORKED) this?

Job 23:14 For he (Spirit) PERFORMETH the things that is appointed (predestined) for me....

Job 23:10 But he (Spirit) knoweth the way that I take: when he (Spirit) has tried me, I shall come forth as pure gold.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which believed do enter into rest.....the WORKS (we are the works of the Spirit) were finished before the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 4:11 Let us (works of the Spirit) labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of UNBELIEF.

May the Spirit grace you with his wisdom.

I'm not sure just what you are asking. If it is about human conception and when the soul enters the unborn child's body? These are some scriptures. To me it looks like when the ovum and the sperm meet.

Psalm 139

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15 My substance was NOT hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and IN THY BOOK, all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Psalms Chapter 127

3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb IS HIS REWARD.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Matthew 18:10

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 18:14. Even so IT IS NOT the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish (die).

Job 12:10. In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are MINE, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

If this isn't helpful, write back again.

Mishael

Is the breath of life from God not spirit?

Wouldn't every breathing thing, created by God, therefore contain spirit?

Did God not create all of the animals?

References:

Ecclesiastes 3:18-21

1 Corinthians 15:42-44

Job 12:10

Psalm 74:19

Genesis 1:30

Revelation 5:13

Job 12:7-10

Psalm 150:6

Genesis 7:15

A man can study the Bible his entire life and will claim he knows everything about it. The reason a man studies the Bible his entire life is to TRY to better understand it. NO MAN KNOWS THE FULL WORKS AND WONDERS OF GOD OR HIS CREATION.

Saying "no it is a metaphor" is an opinion from personal understanding.

Use scripture. Not someone else's opinion.

God created everything with his hand. Each living thing is a testimony to God existing. Feel your heart beating right now- there's no reason it's beating. It's a muscle and it doesn't have to beat- it can stop at any time. We take our lives for granted sometimes. God is in control.

I'm reminded of Matthew 11:28 which says "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. " Job was heavy laden with sorrows but he sought the Lord and was resting in the Lord even during his sorrowful times.

If the mouth tastes meats as the EAR TRIES WORDS THEN TRUE COMMUNION WD BE HEARING HIS WORDS HIS VOICE ETC. THATS Y HE IS SAYING YOU ARE MADE CLEAN BY THE WORDS I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU,MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE AS BREAD IS LIFE ETC. JESUS SAID UNLESS YOU DRINK MY BLOOD AND EAT MY FLESH YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU BUT PETER REPLIED TO WHO SHALL WE GO LORD THOU HAS THE WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE (HEARING )

Verse 3~Job let his so called comforters know that even though he was going through a hard time, he was on the same level as them and the same thing could happen to them.

Oh Lord Jesus, and God thank you for Job and His Godly wisdom amidst worldly perceptions, incorrect they are. Thank you for showing us, we too can overcome in you, anything the world throws at us. And to come out,under your wings of care, love, and mercy, better for wisdom. Dear Lord, those of us who search for your wisdom, give us strength like Job to endure, and with love. Amen, your son Kurt

That is such a good verse that's the first time I've ever read that verse and it's a good picture for that verse I've used the insparational verse images once and I screenshotted it and it was beautiful it was of a waterfall and I loved it I showed my whole family and they thought it was beautiful too.

Remember the mark of the beast is what the children of God OVERCOME, so lets see some words of the Lord that points towards the beast. Whores, riches, vanities, corruption these are all friends of the Pharisees, the temples of Satan.

If God is for us, Who can be against us??????.............. This life is like a school where we've to learn alot of lessons, lessons of faith, Love, Forgiving and alot more!! At the moment we're wavering, because of the turmoil going on and on, It looks like God had forsaken us, ?? But No!! Why does this happens?? 2 Thessalonians 2 teaches us what is going and already happening..... Jesus came to teaches us about LOVE an Forgiving, but we rejected it and for this cause, God sends us strong delusion, to believe a lie, because we didn't receive the Love of the Truth Are we still believing our Lord Jesus, no matter what??? Not easy, but in the end, He is there with His EVERLASTING LOVE PRAISE THE LORD!!

The Pharisees receive greater damnation because theyre running around with a not even couple hundred year old version of the word of God, destroying and ripping out the part that clearly states in Wisdom of Solomon that the mixtures of men is equivalent to fornication of the Spirit so the Pharisees have no idea what forgiveness of sins truly means and are guilty of stealing their own soul by stealing from the word of God.

Again, nicely done. Only God sees our needs.

2 Chronicles 36:16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. Job 12:4 I am as one mocked of his neighbour, who calleth upon God, and he answereth him: the just upright man is laughed to scorn. Luke 23:11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate. Luke 23:36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

It simpelly states the mindset of job,that even on his condition he knows the ability or supremecy of God.