Discuss Job 13

Job 13:15 states: Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.

In 1 Kings 13; we see a story of an unnamed prophet who God slayed after disobeying the command not to eat or drink or go back the way he came after a fellow prophet lied to him; later the word of God came through that same prophet foretelling his burial won't be with the other ancestors and he died after leaving the meal; mauled by a lion who then stood next to his natural pray a donkey by the body. It is understood that the Spirit wasn't indwelling as it is today permanently with believers; but it would seem this man was disciplined by the Lord rather than going to hell. The same principle is stated in 1 Corinthians 11:30 where it talks about taking the Lord's supper unworthily (interestingly related to a meal taken wrongly as well).

My general point here is that there are many out there who claim we can "lose our salvation". We forget the many verses that contradict this which I won't get into right now; because there are so many others that seem to justify this concept. I have already discussed at length many times the idea of God chastising those He loves (and the opposite fact that we are all illegitimate sons if not ( Heb. 12:8).) What I am saying now is that the dying process begins at the day of our salvation and continues throughout our "sanctification" process. The outer evidence of this comes from the fruit in our hearts and is tied into our behaviors; attitudes; words; praises; service; etc. The world has it's own way of "sacrifice" whether as dramatic as "stigmata" or some kind of outer manifestation that appears like the wounds of Christ on their body (certainly demonic); or acts of contrition; service; etc. I don't want to force the terminology realted to the 5 points of Calvin to make my point. I do want to suggest that when God begins a work He completes it. Let us learn the lessons from scripture and take them to heart.

Hello Jesse

It's a pleasure to hear from you,brother.

As I quoted in my prior post,JESUS shewed unto His disciples His HANDS and His FEET- Luke 24:40.

You think that "Scripture does not give us that", but remember that our GOD said to the Serpent-> GEnesis 3:13-15 combined with Job 13:27:

13And the Lord GOD said unto the woman,What is this that thou hast done?And the woman said,The serpent beguiled me,and I did eat(i.e.the woman believed in the interpretation of the Word of GOD by the man of sin,son of perdition,called Serpent in Genesis.Today, i.e.in this time of Apocalypse,he is called red Dragon- Revelation 12).

14And the Lord GOD said unto the serpent,Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed...and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: (man was made of the dust",so once man fell deceived by the woman deceived by the man of sin,and still is until this current time, who is the son of perdition,in the beginning called Serpent.

In fact,all mankind was made/produced into the belly of the Serpent, EXCEPT JESUS,of course,my oldest brother,the firstborn among many brethren- Romans 8:29.By the way, GOD has a lot and countless sons,but there are two who are lawful GOD's sons,not by adoption-JESUS and the Comfort,the Paraclete,the Ancient of days.

15And I-GOD- will put enmity between thee and the woman(now the Church-the body of Christ-,and between thy seed(sons of Devil) and her seed(sons of GOD, true believers);it shall bruise thy head,and thou shalt bruise His heel.

Remember,JESUS said- Luke 20:35-36:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world(the next world-the millennial GOD's Kingdom- Revelation 11:15-18),and the resurrection from the dead(dead? Colossians 3:3-7.Take a look), neither marry,nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more:for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God,being the children of the resurrection ( Colossians 3:3-7 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:17 and 1Corinthians 15:51-55).

Brother Jesse;

Our only hint of the nails driven into Christ lower limbs is found in:

Job 13:27 ... thou settest a print in the heels of my feet.......

God Bless YOU!

We are in a "siege" our selves. Regardless of which group in the city we are in, we all suffer. There seems to be no end in sight, however the right path for us to choose is in our Savior and Lord God Jesus Christ. Scripture and our own history reminds us of the grace and mercies from the Lord. Let there be no doubt in the loving hand of our God. Job 13:15 "Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him." Ephesians 2:4 "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us..."

We must not despair for the promises of GOD are before us. Even the king of Israel tried to kill Elisha, blaming the prophet. The one counselor of the king doubted the Word of the LORD and paid for it with his life.

Let us "trust in the Lord and lean not onto our own understanding."

Look up for our redemption is nigh. The prayers of the saints are powerful and most needed; and our God is faithful and righteous in all His ways.

Numbers 6: 24 - 27

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

God bless all, who are in Christ and love His coming. May 27, 2022

Dav47:

I never said that Job was not and actual event.

Is not our bible the WORDS of God.

Was not Job a Prophet, Prophesying.

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy CAME NOT in the old time by the will of men: but holy men of God spake as they we moved by the Holy Ghost.

Job 27:1 And Job continued HIS PARABLE, and said

Job 13:27 ...thou settest a print on the heels of my feet.

Job was PROPHESYING by a PARABLE about Christ.

Most of Psalms, is David, a Prophet, prophesying about Christ.

You see the same thing described by both Prophets.

God Bless YOU!

Sister Kay:

Why do you think there is so many opinions:

Because MAN want believe God's WORD.

Job 27:1 And Job continued his PARABLE, and said.

Was Job crucified on the Cross:

Job 13:27 ...thou settest a print upon the heels of my feet

James 15:11 .... ye have heard of the patience of Job (Jesus) ......

Revelation 1:9 ......and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ ......

PROPHECY

Psalms 49:4 I (Christ) will open my mouth in a PARABLE .....

Ezekiel 17:2 Son of man, put forth a RIDDLE, and speak a PARABLE .....

Ezekiel 24:3 And utter a PARABLE ....

PROPHECY FULFILLED

Matthew And these thing Jesus spake to the multitudes in PARABLES, and WITHOUT a PARABLE he SPAKE NOT TO THEM.

Christ is speaking TODAY to the MULTITUDES though HIS WORDS, and THOSE WORDS ARE A PARABLE.

You will never understand God's WORD until he causes you to believe his word's are a PARABLE.

Everything from Genesis to Revelation is a PARABLE about the KINGDOM OF GOD.

God Bless YOU!

Debra Kay:

The book of Job is BOTH a PARABLE and a PROPHECY about and of Jesus Christ, as is Psalms.

Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his PARABLE, and said

Job 29:1 Moreover Job continued his PARABLE, and said

Job 13:27 .....thou settest a print upon the heels of my feet

I guess the answer to you question: how long did Job suffer.

Jesus suffered three and a half years, his ministry in the flesh.

God Bless YOU!

Mark ,i think your anger is definately justified ,that might be because i feel it too lol ! However there isnt really much of an excuse for too many people now that the Bible is so widely available ,we have some Iranians in our congregation who were unable to get hold of a Bible while they were in Iran ,some peachers even now will try to tell people that the Bible is full of mysteries and secrets that not every one can understand thereby inflating themselves by saying that they can tell you all about it and you just need to listen to them ,God is not the author of confusion ,then there are people who claim to be interested but dont want to make any effort to read for themselves and are happy to rely on someone elses opinions and interpritations ,thankfully you are obviously not like them ,may God bless you .

I believe that your anger against false teachers is justified. If we're not angry about falsehood & treachery we might well be seen as being in agreement with them or at least as fence-sitters about the things of God.

But how we express that anger is important. To become violent, abusive or hateful, would not be a Christlike response. Rather, acts of correction, intelligent calm debate, & prayer for the Lord to deal with them, should be what we resort to. That would be the strongest testimony against those who take away from the purity of God's Word.

Yes , I get angry at the false teachers and those that twist the word of god , is my anger toward those type of teachers justified . We're talking about the souls of men and eternal consequences whenever people are lead astray by the heretics .

To FRED SCANLAN

Please remember that the sons of God have come for the pulling down of this world's 'Strongholds', religion being the strongest of them all ( 2 Cor. 10:4; Luke 11:21-23).

When it comes to the Medical Profession, please know that the believers live by faith, as the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is their guide in all things. Remember how God took care of a host of 2m people for forty years. He fed them and provided them with water and other essentials. Even their shoes and garments didn't wear out. Also remember that out of the original group that crossed the Red Sea only Joshua & Caleb crossed the Jordan River. All the rest died in the wilderness, while only the new generation crossed the Jordan.

Rather than speaking from personal experience, we believe that the most effective way to be taught and to come to the understanding of 'The Chastening of the Lord' is by the Word of God itself

CHASTENING

Deut. 8:5

Job 5:17-19; 6:1-10; 23:10; 33:19

Psalms 6:1-10; 17:3; 30:1-12; 38:1-21; 94:12-14; 102:1-28; 116:1-19; 119:7,67,71

Proverbs 3:11

Isaiah 26:16

1 Cor. 11:32

Hebrews 12:5,6

James 1:12

1 Peter 1:7

Rev. 3:15-21

AFFLICTIONS

Psalms 34:19; 132:1

Isaiah 48:10

Acts 7:10; 20:23

2 Cor. 6:4

Col. 1:24

1 Thess 3:3

Hebrews 12:5-12

Rev. 3:18

SICKNESS AND HEALING

Exodus 15:26

Psalm 6:2

Isaiah 30:26

Jer. 30:17

Eze. 34:16

Hosea 6:1

Mal. 4:2

Matthew 10:8

Mark 2:17

Luke 5:31

James 5:15

1 Peter 2:24

Rev. 22:2

RELYING ON DOCTORS AND MEDICINE



2 Chr. 16:12,13

Job 13:4

Psalms 34:19; 108:12

Isaiah 30:1-3

Jer. 17:5-7,14

Hosea 5:13

Mark 5:25-29

Luke 8:43

MADE PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERING

Job 5:18; 23:10

Psalms 50:5; 119:67,71

Isaiah 48:10

Jer. 31:18

Hosea 5:15; 6:1

Romans 8:17

2 Cor. 4:17

Hebrews 2:10; 5:7-9; 12:10,11

1 Peter 4:1,12; 5:1,9,10

Rev. 3:19

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

Mishael, thank you for your encouragement. I will not be moved by the adversary of my soul.

To be honest at first I thought I would ignore the comments that were made, but I believe sometimes we need to address wrong behavior and allow the Holy Spirit to bring the conviction of sin.

I do agree and did pray for him, trusting God to lead him to repentance.

Don't be disturbed or driven away by Will. I think I know who he is.

Come back here when you can. People from all over the world visit in here. Don't respond to attackers. Just pray for them.

Sir, there seems to be a misunderstanding. I did not say that God tempts us, but what I am saying is that He allows the enemy to bring pain and suffering into our lives.

I do not want to stand in judgment of you, but your comments seem more like an attack. I discern another spirit at work.

God does not tempt any man...

who taught you the word?

Philosophy will kill you?

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

I believe that the Holy Spirit is revealing to us as believers that in this life we will experience pain and suffering, but He will always bring us out with the victory every time.

It is a misconception of many, that because we are Christians we are exempt from life's difficulties, but Jesus told us in this life we will have tribulation, but we can be comforted in the fact that He has overcome the world.

Lastly, this passage also reveals that God is sovereign and that the devil does not have the power to tempt us without God's permission. God is faithful to provide a way of escape from every temptation, and we always come out victorious and blessed as a result of our endurance.

Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.

I am at Awe and humbled to read that we are caution to be silent in situation we don't understand and don't try to speak for God. Job advise that holding our peace will prove wisdom for us.

Jesus that he would be with us until the end of the world and so also will the Holy Spirit be in Jesus name. Amen.

That GOD will never ever leave me or forsake me. No matter what I face in life GOD is with me.

Suzanne: remember Job 13:15 'Though He slay me, yet will I trust him....he also shall be my salvation.' continue to trust in God for he says in Is.41 'Fear not for I am with thee, be not dismayed for I am thy God; I will strengthen thee; yea I will help thee; yea I wil uphold you with the right hand of my righteousness'. Do not give up. He is with you. I am praying for you.

Job may have lost everything but he did not lose his faith in God. In v. 15 he says "Though God slay me I will trust Him".

I choose to humble my self and let yah teach me how to praise him and how to learn from job even if I have to read this chapter again and again I am trying but I will try harder and I chose to live and to live right and to praise your holy name thank you for your guidance and righteous words I ask for patients and love as I seek your understanding of this knowledge thank you yah

Ron,'what will it take for him to heal me." God wounds us and heals us for many different reasons. There is no set formula, He heals the wicked as well as the righteous, as it pleases him. Psalms;"I know that it is good for me to be afflicted, that I might learn your statutes."Read chapter 2 Cor. 12, V.7 Paul asked him 3 times to remove the pain (thorn) in his side. Job 13:15 , Job 23:12-16.

This word gives me a peace like no other.
When I know my redeemer lives, as I look at how the Lord have brought me through all of my life and keeps me with a righteous right hand. Oh how I Love my God.

Job's friends subjected him to scrunity. Why does that mean

It brings hope indeed

Ernetns, Job 13:3 gives " reason with God." Sorry! I spoke too soon.

Vanna, you say don't fight, it is just a bible that teaches us how to live. Read Jude 1:3, Job 13:8, 2 Corinthians 10:5, etc. God says FIGHT, you say don't. These verses teach us how we are to in part; live in faith, walk in truth, fight the good fight. Test the spirits with God's word.

Job still depend and Loved the Lord no matter what he was going tnrough.