This section goes from they did not believe (as seen in John 6:64; 8:46 and others) to verse 39 of this chapter which states that they COULD not believe as prophesied in Isaiah 53:1.
Verse 42 serves as a harsh reminder that we can have belief in Christ but we also must CONFESS with our mouths ( Romans 10:9-10) in order to have saving faith. We are reminded here of Luke 16:15 which states that which is honorable among men is an abomination to God.
Here; it was praise of men that was the cause; and being thrown out of the synagogue; not even direct physical persecution.
Verse 48 reminds us of the conviction of the Spirit as mentioned in John 16:8; a few chapters later. Clearly; the whole Godhead works as a unit in tandem in ways mysterious to man.
Verse 40 goes on further to state from Isaiah about God Himself blinding men. Some other verses on that include 2 Thessalonians 2:11 where God Himself sends strong delusion so that they will believe the lie because of the previous verse where they did not LOVE the truth. Also we have Isaiah 66:4 where it says that God will choose their delusions.
All sin stems from self justification; and self love that cannot accept the true state of our souls as fallen man because of Adam and his progeny that makes up natural man. Naked we come into this world and naked we shall go ( Job 1:21); also see Ecclesiastes 5:15. We cannot love anything above God; Jesus uses the word HATE for anything else ( Luke 14:25-26). We see the general sentiment in verse 25 of this chapter. Clearly; Christ Himself showed love in the previous chapter for Lazarus; Mary and Martha as well as John when He said "Behold your mother" to John at the cross so that he could take care of her. ( John 19:26-27).
There were times when they sought Him out when He stated the more important principle that those who followed Him were brothers; sisters; etc. ( Luke 8:21).
The blueprint for being a child of God or not is in John 12.
suppose someone today went into a mega church and stated that unless damnable heresies stopped; leadership and congregants alike would come to an early demise. One could argue from the example of Ananias and Sapphira that this would be an exhortation of love to the believing remnant to resist such falsehood or get out before it is too late. This is just a hypothetical example; but if we don't understand the principle involved in God's prophetic utterances then it seems like a disjointed message that often can result in a "self fulfilling prophecy" if Satan is in the background pulling the strings. Something as simple as the warning to the Laudician church should be enough of an appeal to wake people up from their slumber. If we love God then we fear Him and keep His commandments. We understand that all things have consequences; whether promotion or demotion; God gives and takes away ( Job 1:21). Judgments prophesied come because of repeated disobedience with clear warnings for a long time. As the Word says nothing comes to pass without a warning from the Prophets ( Amos 3:7). With so MANY voices; including false prophets; we need to heed to the Word any messages that either contradict scripture or have an evil spirit behind them. Without discernment many churches are totally lost; because almost no one wants to hear or can HANDLE the truth.
With the unpleasant messages true prophets usually bring; they likely wouldn't want it broadcast (especially if a rebuke of a church is part of the message). This is much the same with other miracles; someone truly delivered from a demon should only be on video if there is sufficient backup or witnesses to the validity of their testimony; and there can be evidence they are truly delivered from the fruits in their lives. Discipleship in general seems to be unpopular today with such sideshows. A true statement is a warning to the lost of their sure fate without repentance.
It's amazing over many years of reading, rereading & studying, GOD can teach us something new every time. Hopefully you'll continue to read it several times.
Son's of GOD = Genesis 6:2, notice: Genesis 4:26, = John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1, 2
Job 1:6, Job 2:1, = notice the vrs. right before, Job 1:5, & right before, Job 2, Job 1:20-22, Revelation 12:10,
Satan walks upright on two legs today, the same as in the time of Adam and Eve.
Who is the most subtil of all the beast of the field that God hath made, that walks on two legs?
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from walking to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down in it.
2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go number Israel and Judah.
1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit that now worketh in the children of obedience:
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT (of you) devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world was CAST OUT ......
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you.
Israel was established as a nation in 1948! No pun but your timeline is a bit off! At least 74 years off! There's a few missing links that has to connect that we're embarking upon before the "Second Coming" ie soon rise of the Antichrist taking his platform world center stage bringing his false peacehis mark the RFIDCHIP IN the hand and forehead Rev13:15-18 globally mandated but already here and many have already been deceived into taking it Rev.19:20global martyrdom of true followers of Jesus Yashua that missed the marriage supper of the Lamb! Not all Saints are invited Rev.19:6 the ready remnant raptured 1 Thes.4:13-18 Matt.24:40-42 will be there while the great tribulation is transpiring that the ready Remnant will be spared from! Rev.3:10 Luke 21:36 Not to mention the one world religion ran by the false prophet aka Pope F who already established his headquarters in Dubai to get the ball rolling and already has laws and consequences in place ready for those who violate their "Chrislam" Religion! You see many folk especially tragically the "Saints" don't realize we're a lot further along in Bible prophecy than many folk believe! Luke 12:56 Repent from sin Acts 3:19 after receiving Jesus in your heart and His Holy Spirit (imperative) asking His forgiveness for all your sins loving Him with everything within you and each other as we love ourselves forgiving everyone! He only gives the Holy Ghost to those who OBEY Him! Acts 5:32 Ecc.12:13 1 John 2:4James 2:10 Let go of the cares of this life ie ungodly people places and things fast pray read His Word daily and spread His Gospel to those who will hear! Don't hold nothing back or there will be eternal consequences and will be held accountable when it's all said and done! Ez.3:18-21 We must be holy and strive for perfection DAILY! If it wasn't attainable or possible He wouldn't have written it! Our brother Job 1:1 proved that! Heb.12:14 1Pet.1:16 Matt.5:48 2 Cor.5:10 1John 3:6-11 Eph.5:27 Offic'ly warndYah bless!
Sons of GOD : Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Revelation 12:10, John 1:12 "But as many as receive him, to them gave he power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on his name:"
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they are the sons of GOD."
Philippians 2:15 "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."
1John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."
Matthew 5:16, Luke 8:19, Matthew 23:9, John 20:17, John 4:23, John 16:28, Matthew 6:7-34 did you notice how many times GOD is referenced as "our, your Father " in that portion of chapter 6? Matthew 7:11,
Back in those days Satan was allowed to traverse dimensions de facto for so did GOD. GOD a just, fair righteous GOD for every negative there is a positive. Satan and angels (messengers) good and bad traversed earth unnoticed for they are in our exact image, some are still allowed by GOD Hebrew 13:2. In the temptation of CHRIST, HE ordered Satan behind HIM ( Luke 4:8) and that is where Satan is held by Michael until he is cast out again to be here defacto along with the 7k that refused to be born of woman to reign for 5 months. The 7k fallen angels were here defacto impregnated the women to corrupt the seed of Abraham from which umbilical cord to umbilical cord CHRIST would come. Satan's spirit is still allowed and other evil spirits to possess people but they are no longer allowed to traverse dimensions in person until 6th trump ( Revelation 12:7). We know this because CHRIST and the disciples cast out many. Disciples had trouble with a stubborn one; the lunatic -Satan's very spirit. GOD allows this; for HE wants us to defeat them; CHRIST gave us the power to defeat all our enemies as long as we have CHRIST as head of us. Luke 10:19. If we discern a evil spirit we are to not argue with them but rebuke them Jude 1:9
Have you ever been tempted? If so, did you think it came from heaven or from the earth? If you can answer this question than you have answered your own.
It is impossible for God to tempt us.
Satan will make you believe it is God that is doing the tempting, while he makes himself into an angel of light.
Scripture has a way of looking things out for us, so we have a better understanding of what is really going on around us.
This meeting the bible speaks of, will eventually take place in our lives in one time or another. It will be only because of the grace found in Christ that we will overcome in the time of temptation!
There is a war going on for the souls of Gods creation. It is called you and me in this Heaven and earth!
I believe you're correct, we don't have any specific reference to Satan in the NT having access to Heaven. Apart from the one I quoted ( Revelation 12:10) which speaks of Satan accusing us before God, I have no idea as to how far he is able to proceed towards God, or even if his accusations against us arise from Earth. Clearly, the NT doesn't speak on this subject, rather on his afflictions upon God's people. Sorry, I can't give you much help on this.
Sometime we lose sight that the Gospel was preached to Abraham 430 years before this point: being the giving of the law.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as UNTO THEM .....
Those that fell in the wilderness.
John the Baptist came preaching the gospel.
After John was put in prison, Jesus came preaching the gospel.
Paul says my gospel.
What is this GOSPEL.
It CANNOT BE heaven and hell, else you would see the PROPHETS screaming this at the top of their lungs.
Amos 3:2 Surely the Lord God WILL DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH HIS SECRETS unto his servants the PROPHETS.
The Book of Job is a PROPHESY.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day (future) when the Sons of God (the Called and Chosen) came to present themselves before the Lord (as a living sacrifice) and Satan (a deceitful and WICKED HEART living inside the called and chosen) came in WITH THEM.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ...
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him (the called and chosen), whose coming is after the working of Satan (a heart of stone, lies, deception, falsehoods and wickedness) ....
Ezekiel 11:9 And I will GIVE THEM (GRACE) ONE heart, and I will put a new spirit in you, and take the STONEY HEART (after the workings of Satan) out of their flesh, and GIVE THEM (GRACE) a heart of flesh (after the workings of Christ, LIFE and TRUTH).
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED (SATANIC HEART) be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME (for our God is a consuming fire) with the spirit of his mouth (his words of TRUTH), and shall DESTROY (that Satanic heart) with the brightness OF HIS COMING.
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS (a STONY HEART) by the SPIRIT of God then the Kingdom of God is come unto YOU (Christ's Heart, Life and truth, REPLACING Satin's heart, lies, wickedness, a heart of antichrist).
All this is GOD'S WORK, man is just HEIR of these work's.
Lessons from the Book of Job - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
This is a Commentary by Matthew Henry about Satan. His name before he fell into rebellion and took 1/3 of the angels with him, was Lucifer. Read Isaiah 14.
In Job he heard God brag on Job, and such was his jealousy, he asked to prove Job false. That Job would curse God. God knew what kind of man Job was, so He allowed Satan to get at Job, but He couldn't take Jobs life.
Satan is a spy. He spies on everyone, assessing faults. He saw Job making sacrifices for his "partying children." Ahah! He thought that was Jobs weakness. He stirred up a tornado and leveled Job's kids homes, they themselves, livestock and everything!
Job staggers out to the road and collapses. Next his wife tells him to curse God and die. We don't hear from her again. Then all these so-called friends come visit Job to allege that maybe he sinned?
Jobs hair falls out, he develops boils, he's probably fasting in grief for his family.
In following chapters God comes and ministers to Job the greatness of His power over all of creation. He pushes the clouds around, owns stores of hail, snow, rain_it's just eye opening all the things that God is in control of. It taught me, that I can, in prayer, ask for favor in weather issues.
At the end of the story, God heals Job, multiplies all Job lost, back to him ten-fold.
There's a lot of wisdom in that book. First being that Satan has to ask God, to tempt us. No matter what happens. Stand firmly on the Rock, which is Jesus. He is your Shield.
Hello Margo. One cannot comment with great clarity or certainty on a matter that is contained in a couple of chapters in Job. From what I read, it appears that Satan did have access to Heaven, as he did on these occasions, but was he allowed right into God's Presence or was his access limited? We know that he is still a spirit being so movement on Earth or in the heavens is not limited. But God does set bounds for spirit & human beings, so it may well be that we can assume this here also.
In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.
How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).
A friend referenced this verse indicating that when the sons of God (i.e., Job) came to present themselves before the Lord ... and Satan also came along.
Might you know where this meeting took place? Was it in Heaven?
My church buddy says that the meeting may have taken place in Heaven and that if Satan came along, then Satan has access to go to Heaven. Is this true?
In addition, she says that if Satan is present in Heaven or when he has access to Heaven, and He is evil and full of sin, then does that mean Heaven is no longer a sinless place where no evil exists?
I need to clarify this line of thinking because that's new to me.
Hello, maybe your following assumption is at the heart of the difference: "In the fact that Satan is the God of this present world makes him omnipresent he is in everymans Seed"
Is your assumption true and will scripture validate or invalidate this?
Job 1:6-12 - this says satan has limited power.
John 12:31 - Jesus calls satan prince of the world.
These verses don't say he is omnipresent or in anyone's seed.
What verse do you use as your source for your seed belief and what makes you so confident in this that you're willing to spread around this information to convince people that this is true? What if it isn't?
There are some things indicated in Revelation which are past; present and future ( Rev. 1:8). In God's perspective; things have been predetermined; but often there are repeated cycles of progression until the final end determined. Such is the fate of Satan and his minions. Originally; he would have been Lucifer ( Isaiah 14); and would have praised God after the creation with all the angels ( Job 38:7). His fall was due to pride over his beauty. Also; as Ezekiel 28 elaborates; he was involved with trade and violence (verse 16); which could have shown how for an indeterminate amount of time he was establishing some sort of kingdom on the earth while still holding a heavenly role as worship leader.
Thus; Revelation shows a point where Lucifer had found the massive group of coconspirators; and then God's judgment finally took effect. He was not able to rule and reign anymore designated as the music worship leader and whatever else the original position God created him for entailed. The book of Job indicates in the first couple chapters that Satan still would stand before God during the heavenly council meetings; and spent most of his time walking "to and fro through the earth" ( Job 1:7). As the accuser of the brethren now; He has no more hold on death since Christ's redeeming death on the saints. This allowed the rightous souls of the O.T. saints to be released (captivity taken captive) in Eph. 4:8 as prophesied in Psalm 68. He is still the prince of the power of the air ( Ephesians 2:2) which is the atmosphere above the earth. When we get to Revelation 12; we see how Satan and his angels are thrown down to earth and even stomped on likely by Satan himself ( Daniel 8:10). Satan only desires glory for himself; therefore any other false religion and the one true one is destroyed. Hence; he and his minions prepare for the Psalm 2 suicidal massacre attempting to fight Christ Himself at His return. He is put under the earth until final judgment in Rev 22.
Hello Whitfield. It appears confusing & contradicting when we look at 2 Samuel 24:1 & then compare it with 1 Chronicles 21:1. The first Scripture suggests that it was God Who incited King David to conduct this census, whereas the second Scripture tells us that it was Satan who was involved. I see this matter with David as similar to the encounter that Satan had with Job ( Job 1:6-12), where Satan came before God desiring to test Job's mettle. God sometimes uses or allows Satan to have his way with people for a variety of reasons; in the case with Job, to test his love & faithfulness to the God he worshipped & served; & in the case of King David, to test his trust in the power & sovereignty of the God Who was his delight. Job passed - David failed.
If it weren't for the 2 Chronicles reference, one could easily accept that God instigated David to sin; but God's Spirit saw to it that we would be clear in understanding this: that God allowed David to fall under the testing of Satan. And by David hearkening to Satan's voice rather than trusting in the Power & Will of God for him & all Israel, we see that David failed & allowed his desire to know the strength of his forces against his enemies rather than trusting that God can deal with any enemy with only a few men or even none. 1 Samuel 14:6, reveals this Truth, when Jonathan declared to his armour-bearer, "for there is no restraint to the LORD to save by many or by few." And it was this faith by Jonathan in God, that got him the victory.
Even with Joab, David's army captain urging him to not take that path to conduct this ill-considered census, David even disregarded his advice, rather gave into his own fleshly lusts, inspired of Satan, to disregard the power of God & to elevate his own power & prestige. So, in 2 Samuel 24:1, God's Anger was "kindled against Israel" & "moved in David", but I believe it would be correct to give much regard to Satan's initial work of inspiration to bring folly to the people of God.
Dear Dianne, may the peace and comfort of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon you. May the Lord hear every prayer and supplication being lifted for you. I agree with Gigi and Donna's prayers for you.
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. ( Matthew 10:29-31)
I'm so sorry to hear what you are currently going through, but I pray you will learn all you need to during this time. I believe the Lord has us go through trials to test our faith, and test our love for our enemies/those who despitefully use us. Even when the Lord feels far, He is right there with you. Stay even more faithful now than ever, and God will see you through, no matter what His perfect will and timing is.
If, for some reason it is God's will for your trial to be very difficult, please also consider Job and his powerful testimony as encouragement to stay faithful and humble during your trail.
Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. ( Job 1:20-22)
So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: ( Job 42:12a)
You are not alone. I've made a note of your request in my prayer journal and will continue in prayer for you.
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. ( 1 Corinthians 10:13)
Pray always that ye enter not into temptation.
To God be the glory. Blessed be the name of our Lord.
The Bible is the inspired Word of God. It bears His Name.
Secular books bear their authors names.
Satan roams about wherever he wants to.
JOB 1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
However___ Jesus imparted His Authority and the Power in His Name, INTO HIS BELIEVERS. TO bind Satan and cast Him out of our lives, bodies, families, etc. He has to leave. Satan is not a human; and earth was created for humans. On the Cross, Jesus shed his Blood over his followers and the Earth. It ran down the Cross into soil of creation, and was redeemed.
That was why "a body Thou has provided". Jesus is the Son of Man; and the Son of God. He TOOK BACK the authority Satan had stole from Adam.
Jesus restored that Authority to His born again, Spirit-filled Believers. Male and Female.
So if your faith in Jesus is strong, you can send satan and his devils off world, to the deep parts of the earth. Be watchful because Satan goes about as a roaring Lion. Don't become complacent.
This is why I tell Christians to go sit in the car and pray these strong prayers so people in the home aren't frightened.
Remember__when you bind the devils, you are also to LOOSE also. Release Heavens blessings, ask for angelic assistance with your teenagers. ASK FOR WHAT YOU NEED. If the Bible is too mysterious, then ASK for the Holy Spirit to teach you the meanings (like Ephesians 6). That's why Jesus gave Him to us. Google His ministry to the saints; for quick study. Underline those verses in your Bible.
When you are sure that this works, teach it to someone else. That's also what disciples do.
Read some David Wilkerson books; or there's videos on YouTube. Try to hear Jesus's heart.
There is only 3 in scripture that was created that bares this title
1) Angels.
Genesis 6:2.
Job 1:6.
2) Adam.
Luke 3:38.
We're not a "direct" creation. We're sons of Adam until Born again.
3) Those in Christ.
John 1:12.
We are a NEW creation in Christ.
That's why it's called a new birth. "Born again" properly translated, "Born from above."
With Adam being the first Man/Adam created, And then sinned, sin passed on to ALL Men, "Only if ALL Men came after Adam. The ONLY way redemption is available to ALL.
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12.
To redeem, is to buy back!
When the Law came everyone in Adam spiritually died.
I believe physical death came by Adams transgression, spiritual death came by the giving of the law.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Romans 5:15.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:45-49.
If there were people created before Adam how can they be bought back when Adam transgression has no effect on them being they were never "In" Adam.
Note: Acts 17:26.
Genesis 5:1-2. connects Genesis 1:26-28.
and Genesis 2:7. and also cover the use of the name Adam used for both Adam and Eve.
The deception has been laid, what will we be spared? There is a difference between God's wrath, org meaning; anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance. and tribulation thlipsis meaning; persecution, affliction, distress. The beast will be given time to inflict tribulation on the saints in the world and overcome them, Revelation 13:5-7, as God gave Satan, Job 1:12Job 2:6. Satan's last shot, because he knows his time is short, Revelation 12:12.
The adversary, with this deception, has manipulated scripture to have many believing the great tribulation and the wrath of God to be the same thing and will be spared going through it. This started developing in the 1700s, and what a deception, a beautiful picture of glorious colors of truth, masterfully painted on a canvas of lies. How many will be deceived by the miracles that will be done by the false prophet, Revelation 13:13-15, and fall away? Or those facing death, and who are overcome by the fear of death, take the mark.
A similar picture of what is to come has happened in the past. Decius/Decian persecution in 250 AD, a decree that Christians had to prove their loyalty to paganism and the emperor, ordered that sacrifices to idols be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate. It was a signed and witnessed certificate issued. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the emperor.
A great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized (falling away) and performed the ceremonies thinking they could still be a Christian in secret. Others went into hiding. The Decian persecution was the severest on Christians at that time and the loss suffered by the apostasy (falling away). What is coming will be more severe and worldwide.
Did God spare them? If not, should we be? Have we exalted ourselves more worthy? Are you ready, praying that our faith shall not fail, even if facing death?
This section goes from they did not believe (as seen in John 6:64; 8:46 and others) to verse 39 of this chapter which states that they COULD not believe as prophesied in Isaiah 53:1.
Verse 42 serves as a harsh reminder that we can have belief in Christ but we also must CONFESS with our mouths ( Romans 10:9-10) in order to have saving faith. We are reminded here of Luke 16:15 which states that which is honorable among men is an abomination to God.
Here; it was praise of men that was the cause; and being thrown out of the synagogue; not even direct physical persecution.
Verse 48 reminds us of the conviction of the Spirit as mentioned in John 16:8; a few chapters later. Clearly; the whole Godhead works as a unit in tandem in ways mysterious to man.
Verse 40 goes on further to state from Isaiah about God Himself blinding men. Some other verses on that include 2 Thessalonians 2:11 where God Himself sends strong delusion so that they will believe the lie because of the previous verse where they did not LOVE the truth. Also we have Isaiah 66:4 where it says that God will choose their delusions.
All sin stems from self justification; and self love that cannot accept the true state of our souls as fallen man because of Adam and his progeny that makes up natural man. Naked we come into this world and naked we shall go ( Job 1:21); also see Ecclesiastes 5:15. We cannot love anything above God; Jesus uses the word HATE for anything else ( Luke 14:25-26). We see the general sentiment in verse 25 of this chapter. Clearly; Christ Himself showed love in the previous chapter for Lazarus; Mary and Martha as well as John when He said "Behold your mother" to John at the cross so that he could take care of her. ( John 19:26-27).
There were times when they sought Him out when He stated the more important principle that those who followed Him were brothers; sisters; etc. ( Luke 8:21).
The blueprint for being a child of God or not is in John 12.
suppose someone today went into a mega church and stated that unless damnable heresies stopped; leadership and congregants alike would come to an early demise. One could argue from the example of Ananias and Sapphira that this would be an exhortation of love to the believing remnant to resist such falsehood or get out before it is too late. This is just a hypothetical example; but if we don't understand the principle involved in God's prophetic utterances then it seems like a disjointed message that often can result in a "self fulfilling prophecy" if Satan is in the background pulling the strings. Something as simple as the warning to the Laudician church should be enough of an appeal to wake people up from their slumber. If we love God then we fear Him and keep His commandments. We understand that all things have consequences; whether promotion or demotion; God gives and takes away ( Job 1:21). Judgments prophesied come because of repeated disobedience with clear warnings for a long time. As the Word says nothing comes to pass without a warning from the Prophets ( Amos 3:7). With so MANY voices; including false prophets; we need to heed to the Word any messages that either contradict scripture or have an evil spirit behind them. Without discernment many churches are totally lost; because almost no one wants to hear or can HANDLE the truth.
With the unpleasant messages true prophets usually bring; they likely wouldn't want it broadcast (especially if a rebuke of a church is part of the message). This is much the same with other miracles; someone truly delivered from a demon should only be on video if there is sufficient backup or witnesses to the validity of their testimony; and there can be evidence they are truly delivered from the fruits in their lives. Discipleship in general seems to be unpopular today with such sideshows. A true statement is a warning to the lost of their sure fate without repentance.
Please start with : James 1:5,
It's amazing over many years of reading, rereading & studying, GOD can teach us something new every time. Hopefully you'll continue to read it several times.
Son's of GOD = Genesis 6:2, notice: Genesis 4:26, = John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1, 2
Job 1:6, Job 2:1, = notice the vrs. right before, Job 1:5, & right before, Job 2, Job 1:20-22, Revelation 12:10,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
to God and do what you will but spare HIS LIFE. Now in Job 3: 25 we read where job says that which he was afraid of has come
upon Him, God did not do any of Jobs sorrows in fact in the end God gave him back double of everything. Now the thing that Job
feared so great in Job 1:5 we read where job daily offered up prayers for his family because he believed they were sinning all
the time that is great fear. Job continually did this which opened the door, he believed that because of what his family was
doing that God was going to punish them. Its interesting how many times in scripture the first words of messengers from the
true God is fear not, even in the gospel many times Jesus Christ said fear not. When were born again in 2 Timothy 1:7 it
says that God has not given us the spirit of fear but power love and a sound mind. GOOD STUFF!
to God and do what you will but spare HIS LIFE. Now in Job 3: 25 we read where job says that which he was afraid of has come
upon Him, God did not do any of Jobs sorrows in fact in the end God gave him back double of everything. Now the thing that Job
feared so great in Job 1:5 we read where job daily offered up prayers for his family because he believed they were sinning all
the time that is great fear. Job continually did this which opened the door, he believed that because of what his family was
doing that God was going to punish them. Its interesting how many times in scripture the first words of messengers from the
true God is fear not, even in the gospel many times Jesus Christ said fear not. When were born again in 2 Timothy 1:7 it
says that God has not given us the spirit of fear but power love and a sound mind. GOOD STUFF!
Satan walks upright on two legs today, the same as in the time of Adam and Eve.
Who is the most subtil of all the beast of the field that God hath made, that walks on two legs?
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from walking to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down in it.
2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go number Israel and Judah.
1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit that now worketh in the children of obedience:
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT (of you) devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world was CAST OUT ......
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you.
God Bless You.
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they are the sons of GOD."
Philippians 2:15 "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."
1John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."
Matthew 5:16, Luke 8:19, Matthew 23:9, John 20:17, John 4:23, John 16:28, Matthew 6:7-34 did you notice how many times GOD is referenced as "our, your Father " in that portion of chapter 6? Matthew 7:11,
Mark 3:33-35,
1John 3, Romans 8:29,
Contrast = John 8:41-47, 1John 2:23, Matthew 3:9
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
It is impossible for God to tempt us.
Satan will make you believe it is God that is doing the tempting, while he makes himself into an angel of light.
Scripture has a way of looking things out for us, so we have a better understanding of what is really going on around us.
This meeting the bible speaks of, will eventually take place in our lives in one time or another. It will be only because of the grace found in Christ that we will overcome in the time of temptation!
There is a war going on for the souls of Gods creation. It is called you and me in this Heaven and earth!
Repent and be baptized
In you post to GiGi you said:
Sometime we lose sight that the Gospel was preached to Abraham 430 years before this point: being the giving of the law.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as UNTO THEM .....
Those that fell in the wilderness.
John the Baptist came preaching the gospel.
After John was put in prison, Jesus came preaching the gospel.
Paul says my gospel.
What is this GOSPEL.
It CANNOT BE heaven and hell, else you would see the PROPHETS screaming this at the top of their lungs.
Amos 3:2 Surely the Lord God WILL DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH HIS SECRETS unto his servants the PROPHETS.
The Book of Job is a PROPHESY.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day (future) when the Sons of God (the Called and Chosen) came to present themselves before the Lord (as a living sacrifice) and Satan (a deceitful and WICKED HEART living inside the called and chosen) came in WITH THEM.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ...
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him (the called and chosen), whose coming is after the working of Satan (a heart of stone, lies, deception, falsehoods and wickedness) ....
Ezekiel 11:9 And I will GIVE THEM (GRACE) ONE heart, and I will put a new spirit in you, and take the STONEY HEART (after the workings of Satan) out of their flesh, and GIVE THEM (GRACE) a heart of flesh (after the workings of Christ, LIFE and TRUTH).
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED (SATANIC HEART) be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME (for our God is a consuming fire) with the spirit of his mouth (his words of TRUTH), and shall DESTROY (that Satanic heart) with the brightness OF HIS COMING.
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS (a STONY HEART) by the SPIRIT of God then the Kingdom of God is come unto YOU (Christ's Heart, Life and truth, REPLACING Satin's heart, lies, wickedness, a heart of antichrist).
All this is GOD'S WORK, man is just HEIR of these work's.
God Bless YOU!
It's funny you have given scriptures to be examined literally!
However.
You have given 6 scriptures and added or taken away from each and misapplied them! What you seem to often put in parentheses is errored!
When confronted you hide behind spiritualation.
I'm not going to deal with all of them but here is an example of your errors.
You say "Job said Satan came in "WITH MAN" to present himself to God."
When has man ever been able to go to and fro the Earth?
When has man ever been able to present himself to God?
Answer. Never!
John 1:18.
John 6:46.
Here's that account in scripture.
Job 1:6. Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Sons of God in this passage are Angels.
Your view is that Satan is mans flesh. "He doesn't exist"
So who's responsible for Jobs losses? And who is God interacting with in Job 1. ?
I'm sorry but I can't entertain that.
My point is taken in your reply!
If there is no Satan, No hell, and no consequences for sin, There's no Gospel/Good news in your message
why do you passionately bother?
according to you whether we receive or not we suffer the same fate. Why was Christ crucified?
That is not a message from God.
No response needed
God bless.
In Job he heard God brag on Job, and such was his jealousy, he asked to prove Job false. That Job would curse God. God knew what kind of man Job was, so He allowed Satan to get at Job, but He couldn't take Jobs life.
Satan is a spy. He spies on everyone, assessing faults. He saw Job making sacrifices for his "partying children." Ahah! He thought that was Jobs weakness. He stirred up a tornado and leveled Job's kids homes, they themselves, livestock and everything!
Job staggers out to the road and collapses. Next his wife tells him to curse God and die. We don't hear from her again. Then all these so-called friends come visit Job to allege that maybe he sinned?
Jobs hair falls out, he develops boils, he's probably fasting in grief for his family.
In following chapters God comes and ministers to Job the greatness of His power over all of creation. He pushes the clouds around, owns stores of hail, snow, rain_it's just eye opening all the things that God is in control of. It taught me, that I can, in prayer, ask for favor in weather issues.
At the end of the story, God heals Job, multiplies all Job lost, back to him ten-fold.
There's a lot of wisdom in that book. First being that Satan has to ask God, to tempt us. No matter what happens. Stand firmly on the Rock, which is Jesus. He is your Shield.
Streetpreacher
May I Ask another question please?
How come there is no mention of Saran having access to Heaven in the New Testament (other than Revelation perhaps)?
In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.
How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).
A friend referenced this verse indicating that when the sons of God (i.e., Job) came to present themselves before the Lord ... and Satan also came along.
Might you know where this meeting took place? Was it in Heaven?
My church buddy says that the meeting may have taken place in Heaven and that if Satan came along, then Satan has access to go to Heaven. Is this true?
In addition, she says that if Satan is present in Heaven or when he has access to Heaven, and He is evil and full of sin, then does that mean Heaven is no longer a sinless place where no evil exists?
I need to clarify this line of thinking because that's new to me.
I appreciate your time on this. Thank you, Margo
Is your assumption true and will scripture validate or invalidate this?
Job 1:6-12 - this says satan has limited power.
John 12:31 - Jesus calls satan prince of the world.
These verses don't say he is omnipresent or in anyone's seed.
What verse do you use as your source for your seed belief and what makes you so confident in this that you're willing to spread around this information to convince people that this is true? What if it isn't?
Thus; Revelation shows a point where Lucifer had found the massive group of coconspirators; and then God's judgment finally took effect. He was not able to rule and reign anymore designated as the music worship leader and whatever else the original position God created him for entailed. The book of Job indicates in the first couple chapters that Satan still would stand before God during the heavenly council meetings; and spent most of his time walking "to and fro through the earth" ( Job 1:7). As the accuser of the brethren now; He has no more hold on death since Christ's redeeming death on the saints. This allowed the rightous souls of the O.T. saints to be released (captivity taken captive) in Eph. 4:8 as prophesied in Psalm 68. He is still the prince of the power of the air ( Ephesians 2:2) which is the atmosphere above the earth. When we get to Revelation 12; we see how Satan and his angels are thrown down to earth and even stomped on likely by Satan himself ( Daniel 8:10). Satan only desires glory for himself; therefore any other false religion and the one true one is destroyed. Hence; he and his minions prepare for the Psalm 2 suicidal massacre attempting to fight Christ Himself at His return. He is put under the earth until final judgment in Rev 22.
A parable is hidden inside the physical creation describe in the first chapters of Genesis?
We know from the parables in the new testament that we are the garden of God (garden of eden).
The tree of THE KNOWLEDGE of good and evil was in the midst of the garden (we are the garden).
THE FRUIT of the tree IS KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
This same KNOWLEDGE exist in the FATHER and the SON.
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like ONE OF US (gods) to know good and evil ....
Psalms 82:6 I have said. Ye are gods: and all of you are the children of the most high.
WHAT IF? Through TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE you are being created in to THE IMAGE OF CHRIST.
GBU
Documentaries are not the True Word of God in Scripture. So, test everything you read,, see, or hear to the Word of God for accuracy.
Hidden gems of Prophetic mystery until Jesus fulfilled many. Luke 24, Luke 24:27, Revelation 12:4-11, Revelation 20,
I recommend reading the Bible & prayer, the movies aren't fully accurate, they seem to focus on the art, not Truth
Watching a documentary showing a snake was the way to Jesus I'm so confused help me understand this meaning
If it weren't for the 2 Chronicles reference, one could easily accept that God instigated David to sin; but God's Spirit saw to it that we would be clear in understanding this: that God allowed David to fall under the testing of Satan. And by David hearkening to Satan's voice rather than trusting in the Power & Will of God for him & all Israel, we see that David failed & allowed his desire to know the strength of his forces against his enemies rather than trusting that God can deal with any enemy with only a few men or even none. 1 Samuel 14:6, reveals this Truth, when Jonathan declared to his armour-bearer, "for there is no restraint to the LORD to save by many or by few." And it was this faith by Jonathan in God, that got him the victory.
Even with Joab, David's army captain urging him to not take that path to conduct this ill-considered census, David even disregarded his advice, rather gave into his own fleshly lusts, inspired of Satan, to disregard the power of God & to elevate his own power & prestige. So, in 2 Samuel 24:1, God's Anger was "kindled against Israel" & "moved in David", but I believe it would be correct to give much regard to Satan's initial work of inspiration to bring folly to the people of God.
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. ( Matthew 10:29-31)
I'm so sorry to hear what you are currently going through, but I pray you will learn all you need to during this time. I believe the Lord has us go through trials to test our faith, and test our love for our enemies/those who despitefully use us. Even when the Lord feels far, He is right there with you. Stay even more faithful now than ever, and God will see you through, no matter what His perfect will and timing is.
If, for some reason it is God's will for your trial to be very difficult, please also consider Job and his powerful testimony as encouragement to stay faithful and humble during your trail.
Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. ( Job 1:20-22)
So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: ( Job 42:12a)
You are not alone. I've made a note of your request in my prayer journal and will continue in prayer for you.
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. ( 1 Corinthians 10:13)
Pray always that ye enter not into temptation.
To God be the glory. Blessed be the name of our Lord.
Secular books bear their authors names.
Satan roams about wherever he wants to.
JOB 1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
However___ Jesus imparted His Authority and the Power in His Name, INTO HIS BELIEVERS. TO bind Satan and cast Him out of our lives, bodies, families, etc. He has to leave. Satan is not a human; and earth was created for humans. On the Cross, Jesus shed his Blood over his followers and the Earth. It ran down the Cross into soil of creation, and was redeemed.
That was why "a body Thou has provided". Jesus is the Son of Man; and the Son of God. He TOOK BACK the authority Satan had stole from Adam.
Jesus restored that Authority to His born again, Spirit-filled Believers. Male and Female.
So if your faith in Jesus is strong, you can send satan and his devils off world, to the deep parts of the earth. Be watchful because Satan goes about as a roaring Lion. Don't become complacent.
This is why I tell Christians to go sit in the car and pray these strong prayers so people in the home aren't frightened.
Remember__when you bind the devils, you are also to LOOSE also. Release Heavens blessings, ask for angelic assistance with your teenagers. ASK FOR WHAT YOU NEED. If the Bible is too mysterious, then ASK for the Holy Spirit to teach you the meanings (like Ephesians 6). That's why Jesus gave Him to us. Google His ministry to the saints; for quick study. Underline those verses in your Bible.
When you are sure that this works, teach it to someone else. That's also what disciples do.
Read some David Wilkerson books; or there's videos on YouTube. Try to hear Jesus's heart.
This is a term used as a direct creation of God.
There is only 3 in scripture that was created that bares this title
1) Angels.
Genesis 6:2.
Job 1:6.
2) Adam.
Luke 3:38.
We're not a "direct" creation. We're sons of Adam until Born again.
3) Those in Christ.
John 1:12.
We are a NEW creation in Christ.
That's why it's called a new birth. "Born again" properly translated, "Born from above."
With Adam being the first Man/Adam created, And then sinned, sin passed on to ALL Men, "Only if ALL Men came after Adam. The ONLY way redemption is available to ALL.
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12.
To redeem, is to buy back!
When the Law came everyone in Adam spiritually died.
I believe physical death came by Adams transgression, spiritual death came by the giving of the law.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Romans 5:15.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:45-49.
If there were people created before Adam how can they be bought back when Adam transgression has no effect on them being they were never "In" Adam.
Note: Acts 17:26.
Genesis 5:1-2. connects Genesis 1:26-28.
and Genesis 2:7. and also cover the use of the name Adam used for both Adam and Eve.
God bless.
The deception has been laid, what will we be spared? There is a difference between God's wrath, org meaning; anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance. and tribulation thlipsis meaning; persecution, affliction, distress. The beast will be given time to inflict tribulation on the saints in the world and overcome them, Revelation 13:5-7, as God gave Satan, Job 1:12 Job 2:6. Satan's last shot, because he knows his time is short, Revelation 12:12.
The adversary, with this deception, has manipulated scripture to have many believing the great tribulation and the wrath of God to be the same thing and will be spared going through it. This started developing in the 1700s, and what a deception, a beautiful picture of glorious colors of truth, masterfully painted on a canvas of lies. How many will be deceived by the miracles that will be done by the false prophet, Revelation 13:13-15, and fall away? Or those facing death, and who are overcome by the fear of death, take the mark.
A similar picture of what is to come has happened in the past. Decius/Decian persecution in 250 AD, a decree that Christians had to prove their loyalty to paganism and the emperor, ordered that sacrifices to idols be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate. It was a signed and witnessed certificate issued. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the emperor.
A great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized (falling away) and performed the ceremonies thinking they could still be a Christian in secret. Others went into hiding. The Decian persecution was the severest on Christians at that time and the loss suffered by the apostasy (falling away). What is coming will be more severe and worldwide.
Did God spare them? If not, should we be? Have we exalted ourselves more worthy? Are you ready, praying that our faith shall not fail, even if facing death?
God bless,
RLW