The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? ( Jeremiah 17:9).
I thought that I should be honest here as to the state of my own heart. When a woman the other day showed kindness to me at the store a few days ago I suddenly found myself thinking about how it made me feel and if there was something in the future there. Those situations are times when those not grounded in the Word can suddenly be swept away into something outside the will of God. Being a man; of course there are some women no doubt who would chalk that off to the stupidity of a man as opposed to their greater senses of judgment on such matters. Frankly I don't really care about that analysis; I have done much thinking about my actions and much scriptural analysis in recent years but have to admit that there are some real weaknesses here that the enemy could easily exploit if I am off guard.
Such madness of course in my own situation as many may know led to my wife excusing her own actions in getting involved with a long term friend at work (which probably commenced long before I realized it). My former Pastor had the wisdom when I was going through the separation to advise me NOT to be alone with a woman in a car or similar situation as I was still a married man but didn't seem to mind when the divorce was final. My belief holds firm about remarriage being wrong when a former spouse is alive but that isn't the focus here. Such vigilence that my former Pastor had is similar to what Billy Graham did not allowing himself to be in an elevator alone with a woman. "I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?" ( Job 31:1).
I am of the firm belief that fornication and adultery are two chief ways that men will "drown in perdition" ( 1 Timothy 6:9). There are other sins related here such as covetousness; which I may go into more detail in the next post.
Every one of us At one Time Was in Our Mothers Womb - 2 years ago
Psalms 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS mmm
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Do we get a free pass on Judging Gods Workmanship? Because this child was born blind, this child was a rapists seed?
A better question: do we judge God for not making us the definition of perfection, because: our nose is too big, our ears too small, stubby fingers_not long and tapering?
Who is in charge of our beginnings, the variables?
Only a Loving God, only Our Savior, can look into a womb and see perfection, possibilities, future of the next generation.
If all we see are imperfections, no one would be born; given a chance to make the world a better place.
Instead of abortion clinics, why not sterilization instead?
God said in Deuteronomy_Choose Life that You and Your Seed shall Live. Our God is very very Wise.
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace (in-merited favor)
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS reward.
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Check with your healthcare. It is ok to get a 2nd opinion from another MD. Ask for some referrals. Schedule a consult over medication and potential complication.
Matthew 18:19-20
That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, THERE AM I, in the midst of them.
I agree with you that you will get the assurance you need. The truth will be told. That your reliance will rest upon Jesus. He cares for you both.
Prepare yourself to breastfeed. Read Laleche method. You can express milk in bottles for the sitter every day.
God Sees The Unborn Children - In Reply on Acts 17 - 2 years ago
The Unborn & God
Psalms 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon Thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art HE that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS reward.
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a PROPHET unto the nations.
There are many more scriptures that prove God has knowledge of PRE-born children. He had a perfect will for their lives. I'm not going to judge. Gods Will can still happen if the child is adopted after birth.
In the Book of Revelation ( 9:1-11 ), when John sees his vision of the fifth trumpet blowing, a vast horde of demonic horsemen is seen arising from the newly opened abyss. They are sent forth to torment the unfortunate inhabitants of earth, but not to kill them. They have a ruler over them, called a king (basileia [basileiva]), the angel of the abyss, whose name is given in both Hebrew and Greek. In Hebrew it is Abaddon and in Greek Apollyon, both words meaning Destroyer or Destruction.
The word only occurs once in the New Testament ( Rev 9:11 ) and five times in the Old Testament ( Job 26:6 ; 28:22 ; 31:12 ; Psalm 88:11 ; Prov 15:11 ). In Psalm 88:11 Destruction is parallel to the grave; in Job 26:6 and Proverbs 26:6 it is parallel to Sheol; in Job 28:22 it is parallel to Death. job 31:12 says sin is a fire that burns to destruction. So in the Old Testament Abaddon means the place of utter ruin, death, desolation, or destruction.
The angel of the abyss is called Destruction or Destroyer because his task is to oversee the devastation of the inhabitants of the earth, although it is curious that his minions are allowed only to torture and not to kill. His identity is a matter of dispute. Some make him Satan himself, while others take him to be only one of Satan's many evil subordinates.
Sorry, I couldn't answer your previous post/response - as the previous thread regarding this topic of discussion was closed.
I do agree with you, and also Jesse, I believe the scripture below relates to the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus.The scripture you attached also clarifies it in my understanding even more.
Luke 17:34
"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."
Luke 17:35
"Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
As you may know over the years, some have alluded to possible homosexual evidence to this scripture above. GiGi weighed in previously, stating that it was not uncommon for people to share beds, as they were a short commodity during the time period. This makes sense.
To expand, I was curious about this scripture in Luke, and got sidetracked a bit, and in I my research, I found scripture in the OT specifically regarding the usage of the word "grind" or "grinding" relating to sex. The word seemed to be a slang word see related scripture.
Job 31:10
Judges 16:21
Lamentations 5:13
In researching this further, I do believe the the word grinding was a valid slang word for sex during those days. I'm still not sure if Luke was really referring to this in his scripture. I also compared it to the alternate scripture in Matthew, where Matthew states" grinding at the mill" whereas Luke did not add the "mill" in his composition.
Matthew 24:41
"Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
I'm leaning toward - there may be no sexual undercurrent in this scripture as some people may think.
Job asks in 31:1 why he would "think upon" a maid (KJV and older versions). STRONG'S CONCORDANCE agrees, and gives the original of the Hebrew word for the English "think" as "biyn," which seems to agree with the King James translators, but not with the 20th century translations who render Job's word as "look" or "gaze" on a maid or virgin or young woman.
This seems too contradictory as to be silly. Would these translators (ESV et al) have us believe that Job's covenant would prevent him--or us today--from gazing at the girl ("virgin") who happens to be on the platform singing a solo in a worship service? It seems to me that some of these translators have bought into Stephen Arterburn's eye-bouncing!
Or has a more recent Hebrew version of Job been discovered than that (Erasmus Textus Receptus) which the traanslators of the KJV and the 1560 had available? (???)
God knows of Every Baby Ever Conceived - In Reply on Psalms 139 - 3 years ago
Jeremiah 20:17
Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.
Job 31:15
Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalms 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:42
And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. (Speaking of Jesus)
Isaiah 49:1
Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels (uterus) of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who makes all.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive.
verse 36 shows to me, the analogy of Christ our Saviour carrying his cross on his shoulder whilst wearing the crown of thorns. The book written by Jobs' adversaries is to be taken on his shoulder and worn as a crown, just as Christ our Saviour carried the cross and our sins.
I love our Lords book. So many layers and so much wisdom, and I am only just starting my journey to our Lord.
It seems that here Jesus demonstrating the state of mind that could lead to adultery. (compare James 1:14, 15). Even ancient servants of God understood that they should avoid looking at a woman with lust ( Job 31:1). However, the Bible dosen't show that a woman should not look attractive. See Job 42:15. Men can notice lady's beauty and express their admiration, as it is seen in the Song of Solomon. But the motives are the key. David used to watch bathing Bathsheba with immoral intentions ( 2 Samuel 11). As for the married couple, please, consider 1 Corinthians 7:2, 5. Therefore, it seems that no one lusts after their own spouse.
While going through his suffering, Job is searching his heart to see if there is anything he did that was not pleasing to God. I am reminded of Ps. 139:23
But if we are walking in the truth, and in the Spirit, we are not pandering to the lusts of the flesh! Job 31:1 "I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?" "For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds..." So we learn to resist the devil, control our thoughts, and keep our bodies under subjection in holiness!
I like how Job was humble, just, and merciful. And he was considerate of all people regardless of their social or economic status. We never want to put others down or think we are better because we have more financial stable than others.
I don't think "grind" refers to sex, but, rather, to the female duty of grinding grain to make flour for baking bread. After feeding the man, she would then lay in bed and the man, or other men "would bow down upon her" as they engage in sex.
I thought that I should be honest here as to the state of my own heart. When a woman the other day showed kindness to me at the store a few days ago I suddenly found myself thinking about how it made me feel and if there was something in the future there. Those situations are times when those not grounded in the Word can suddenly be swept away into something outside the will of God. Being a man; of course there are some women no doubt who would chalk that off to the stupidity of a man as opposed to their greater senses of judgment on such matters. Frankly I don't really care about that analysis; I have done much thinking about my actions and much scriptural analysis in recent years but have to admit that there are some real weaknesses here that the enemy could easily exploit if I am off guard.
Such madness of course in my own situation as many may know led to my wife excusing her own actions in getting involved with a long term friend at work (which probably commenced long before I realized it). My former Pastor had the wisdom when I was going through the separation to advise me NOT to be alone with a woman in a car or similar situation as I was still a married man but didn't seem to mind when the divorce was final. My belief holds firm about remarriage being wrong when a former spouse is alive but that isn't the focus here. Such vigilence that my former Pastor had is similar to what Billy Graham did not allowing himself to be in an elevator alone with a woman. "I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?" ( Job 31:1).
I am of the firm belief that fornication and adultery are two chief ways that men will "drown in perdition" ( 1 Timothy 6:9). There are other sins related here such as covetousness; which I may go into more detail in the next post.
When temptation calls; flee.
James 1:5, Proverbs 25:2,
Hopefully these are helpful
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS mmm
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Do we get a free pass on Judging Gods Workmanship? Because this child was born blind, this child was a rapists seed?
A better question: do we judge God for not making us the definition of perfection, because: our nose is too big, our ears too small, stubby fingers_not long and tapering?
Who is in charge of our beginnings, the variables?
Only a Loving God, only Our Savior, can look into a womb and see perfection, possibilities, future of the next generation.
If all we see are imperfections, no one would be born; given a chance to make the world a better place.
Instead of abortion clinics, why not sterilization instead?
God said in Deuteronomy_Choose Life that You and Your Seed shall Live. Our God is very very Wise.
Psalms 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace (in-merited favor)
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS reward.
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Check with your healthcare. It is ok to get a 2nd opinion from another MD. Ask for some referrals. Schedule a consult over medication and potential complication.
Matthew 18:19-20
That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, THERE AM I, in the midst of them.
I agree with you that you will get the assurance you need. The truth will be told. That your reliance will rest upon Jesus. He cares for you both.
Prepare yourself to breastfeed. Read Laleche method. You can express milk in bottles for the sitter every day.
Psalms 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon Thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art HE that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS reward.
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a PROPHET unto the nations.
There are many more scriptures that prove God has knowledge of PRE-born children. He had a perfect will for their lives. I'm not going to judge. Gods Will can still happen if the child is adopted after birth.
* Leviticus 19:15, Amos 2:6-7, Amos 5:12, Amos 8:4, Habakkuk 3:14,
Scriptures about the poor: Exodus 22:25, Exodus 23:1-11, Leviticus 19:10, Leviticus 23:22, Deuteronomy 24:14,15,
Job 29:11-17, Job 30:25, Job 31:13-40, Job 34:19-28,
Leviticus 25:25-55, Deuteronomy 15:1-15,
1Samuel 2:7-8, Job 24, Matthew 19:21,
Psalms 9:18, Psalms 12:5, Psalms 14:6,
Galatians 2:10, Zechariah 7:10, Luke 14:12-14, may want to keep reading Luke 14,
Matthew 5:3, Luke 6:20,
Hopefully these are helpful
In the Book of Revelation ( 9:1-11 ), when John sees his vision of the fifth trumpet blowing, a vast horde of demonic horsemen is seen arising from the newly opened abyss. They are sent forth to torment the unfortunate inhabitants of earth, but not to kill them. They have a ruler over them, called a king (basileia [basileiva]), the angel of the abyss, whose name is given in both Hebrew and Greek. In Hebrew it is Abaddon and in Greek Apollyon, both words meaning Destroyer or Destruction.
The word only occurs once in the New Testament ( Rev 9:11 ) and five times in the Old Testament ( Job 26:6 ; 28:22 ; 31:12 ; Psalm 88:11 ; Prov 15:11 ). In Psalm 88:11 Destruction is parallel to the grave; in Job 26:6 and Proverbs 26:6 it is parallel to Sheol; in Job 28:22 it is parallel to Death. job 31:12 says sin is a fire that burns to destruction. So in the Old Testament Abaddon means the place of utter ruin, death, desolation, or destruction.
The angel of the abyss is called Destruction or Destroyer because his task is to oversee the devastation of the inhabitants of the earth, although it is curious that his minions are allowed only to torture and not to kill. His identity is a matter of dispute. Some make him Satan himself, while others take him to be only one of Satan's many evil subordinates.
Sorry, I couldn't answer your previous post/response - as the previous thread regarding this topic of discussion was closed.
I do agree with you, and also Jesse, I believe the scripture below relates to the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus.The scripture you attached also clarifies it in my understanding even more.
Luke 17:34
"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."
Luke 17:35
"Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
As you may know over the years, some have alluded to possible homosexual evidence to this scripture above. GiGi weighed in previously, stating that it was not uncommon for people to share beds, as they were a short commodity during the time period. This makes sense.
To expand, I was curious about this scripture in Luke, and got sidetracked a bit, and in I my research, I found scripture in the OT specifically regarding the usage of the word "grind" or "grinding" relating to sex. The word seemed to be a slang word see related scripture.
Job 31:10
Judges 16:21
Lamentations 5:13
In researching this further, I do believe the the word grinding was a valid slang word for sex during those days. I'm still not sure if Luke was really referring to this in his scripture. I also compared it to the alternate scripture in Matthew, where Matthew states" grinding at the mill" whereas Luke did not add the "mill" in his composition.
Matthew 24:41
"Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
I'm leaning toward - there may be no sexual undercurrent in this scripture as some people may think.
God Bless
This seems too contradictory as to be silly. Would these translators (ESV et al) have us believe that Job's covenant would prevent him--or us today--from gazing at the girl ("virgin") who happens to be on the platform singing a solo in a worship service? It seems to me that some of these translators have bought into Stephen Arterburn's eye-bouncing!
Or has a more recent Hebrew version of Job been discovered than that (Erasmus Textus Receptus) which the traanslators of the KJV and the 1560 had available? (???)
Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.
Job 31:15
Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalms 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:42
And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. (Speaking of Jesus)
Isaiah 49:1
Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels (uterus) of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who makes all.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive.
Hope you find it in here. Mishael
I love our Lords book. So many layers and so much wisdom, and I am only just starting my journey to our Lord.
While going through his suffering, Job is searching his heart to see if there is anything he did that was not pleasing to God. I am reminded of Ps. 139:23
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