Discuss Job 36

Reading the Word (Part 4). Multiple layers and applications.

I have in the past had disagreements with people that insist there is only one meaning of a given scripture. This is no doubt true to one extent; that is not reading spurious meanings into a text based on proper contextualization. When there are so many different types of writings in a given book such as Psalms (impreccatory; prophetic; Thanksgiving at a bunch of others) even from Psalms we can't nail down any one type as a "stand alone." The clearest example would be what some call "Royal" Psalms or something similar about David and the prophetic implications that are both for him and the future Christ. This shows that even David didn't know what he was saying as far as all these meanings. I have argued with some of the Reformed camp that such a statement on my part is wrong and that somehow he had to understand it under Divine guidance; but clearly if that were true we wouldn't see someone like Daniel fasting and praying for 3 weeks to understand his dreams and visions ( Daniel 10:2).

Reading the Bible of course in these circles is focused on worshipping the one true God. There are clearly other benefits to reading the Word such as insights into the hydrological cycle ( Job 36:27); that of the animal kingdom ( Psalm 104:21; etal); historical genealogies (from the first parents in Genesis to those in the beginning of Matthew and Luke). The history of scripture can also be used to verify archaelogical discoveries; and have practical points about wisdom along with the spiritual (which can't really be parceled out). This may be most clearly demonstrated with the admonition to be as "wise as serpents and innocent as doves." ( Matthew 10:16).

We should also keep in mind that the Old Testament and New Testament have different methods of approaching God; but the Lord never changes. The Lord created law as well as grace; which allows us to actually love God as David's admonition in Psalm 119.

Hi Jose. I can't speak of 'other Bible translations' as they may add extra words to give a particular verse an 'appropriate' meaning. But in the KJV, we read it as given in Hebrew: "the noise (thunder) is declared, the cattle also concerning the rising (storm)." Words in brackets are assumed from the previous text.

If translations are assuming 'God's Indignation', then it's probably how they read the chapter spoken by Elihu. Though, verse 33 on its own, seems to show that God speaks to man even through nature (the light, clouds, thunder, darkness), even the cattle are alerted.

Hello. Job 36:33 translates differently from other meaning from other Bible translations where it speaks that when it thunders it means God is angry and speaks of His indignation. Why the different meanings when KJV does not mention anything about God's indignation pertaining to Job 36:33? Thank you.

Richard, Job was a righteous man. He loved God and he was humble in many ways. He suffered great losses and stood fast in his faith through it all. Even so, He needed a BIG dose of GOD to come to a better understanding of the God who made him, the heavens and the earth.

It is not a sin to need to have our thinking about God enlarged. We are but dust. But how wonderful for God to condescend to appear to Job and "school" him. God loved Job, but still needed some straightening out in order to go on into the blessing of God's restoration. Job story is inspiring and sobering at the same time.

God is very great, higher than we can ever imagine, too wonderful for words, beyond our ability to comprehend or describe. What He reveals about Himself in history and the Word is what we are given. He has revealed enough of Himself to mankind to for this life. The life to come will reveal so much more! We just cannot handle what He has not revealed yet in our flesh and blood state.

Elihu did not falsely or unkindly accuse Job of anything and God did not rebuke Elihu when He rebuked Job and his 3 friends.

There are many scriptural truths here which we find in Psalms in particular written much later than Job. Concepts such as the wicked not living out half their days; gold and silver not being of any value at judgment day; God disciplining some with fetters (v. 8); and some coming to repentance; and others not are all further examined not only in Psalms; but in books such as Isaiah.

Again; somehow in all these arguments Elihu continues the incessant blaming of Job for some supposed wickedness in Him; the only difference being that he can't find any righteousness in his friends. Because of this; all of their former arguments aren't said to stick and make an impact. Ultimately; the enemy is trying every conceivable way to pin blame on Job. After this discourse; God Himself finally addresses Job with two stunning arguments which finally convinces Job of his unworthiness. Sometimes only seeing the glory of God convinces us; although it would be nice to think that the first response of sharing in silent grief for a week in his condition would have meant some compassion would have been extended during their discourses. Apparently not.

In the end; Job has to pray for his friends although mysteriously the last one here isn't part of the list; only the first 3 friends. In this prayer; he is forced to forgive them in his heart. This may not be mentioned; but it had to occur as a last step before the Lord restored his former blessings according to the character of God. His prayers couldn't have been genuine otherwise. We do well to remember in this era of prosperity; heath and wellness preaching to read this book and respect it as part of scripture. We also should expect to go through the fire; and not think it is strange going through it ( 1 Peter 4:12).

1st thing that comes to my mind is what we call the atmosphere. How it's curved clear & rounded, like a magnifying lens. How amazing earth looks from outter space, Job 37:18 , seems to describe it beautifully. Thank you for sharing it.

Glass is made through molten process.

The 1st part of the verse it appears Elihu, is still talking with Job from Job 36:1-4 & he seems to be asking Job in reference to GOD ALMIGHTY "hast thou with him spread out the sky?'' 1611 KJV,

Job 2:11-13, the conversations start after these verses.

Hopefully this is helpful.

Link Can someone explain the meaning of versus 29?

Explain to me revelation chapter 18.which city it refer to to?

In Malachi 3:8-12, Israel had defaulted in their tithing, by holding back more than they should have. This was very wrong, as tithes at that time that were brought into the 'storehouses' were for the feeding of the priests who were not given land to cultivate & grow crops & were dependent on others for this need. God is saying here, that even if the people performed this commandment & duty fully, with a ready obedient heart, He would reciprocate with blessing, more than they could comprehend. Their fields would flourish & the nations would have the witness of the God of Israel's Love & Blessings upon His people.

In Ephesians 1:3-14, the blessings that come upon the Christian are dependent on what God has done in our lives & what He gives to secure our salvation: they are spiritual blessings which of course, can certainly be seen materially as well but not always. What Israel failed to receive because of their disobedience, the Christian gains because of his position in Christ Jesus & His cleaving unto Him.

So the similarities are there by the receipt of God's blessings, but the difference I see, is that those in Christ, receive doubly to what Israel could ever receive, blessings that come from an eternal, joyful, familial relationship to the Godhead. Where Israel still had to sacrifice each year for their sins, we have One Who has paid sin's price for us. Where Israel's hope lay in their faltering obedience to God's Commands & trust in God to help them, the Christian's sure hope lies only in Jesus Christ & His Spirit Who guarantees our salvation & position in Christ; we naturally demonstrate our faith & love for Him in doing all this for us, which we could never hope to do ourselves.

What difference or similarities of malach 3v10 Ephesians 1

No, Elihu (from the Book of Job) wasn't a priest. He wasn't part of the group of Job's three 'friends', maybe just an onlooker/observer, but there is no indication that he came from a priestly line.

He remained quiet for the most part while the others threw false accusations against Job, but in Job 32:2, he could not restrain himself & then spoke up. Even though his words seems equally accusatory against Job, when they are studied properly, we find that he was more accurate in his judgements.

was Elihu a priest

Genesis 1:6 KJV

(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

The "firmament" or "expanse" is a metaphor about the opening of the hearing ear and the "waters" are people ( Revelation 17:15).

The hearing of the Word of Truth from Heaven among many people divides them: the believers from the unbelievers.

Even the word for "ear" in Hebrew (ozen) means "broadness, to expand".

Job 36:10 KJV

(10) He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity.

God opens up our ears to His knowledge that is sent from Heaven via the Spirit. The "firmament" is called "Heaven" for what we hear is from there. Jesus said often: he that has an ear, let him hear

Revelation 3:6 KJV

(6) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The good news is reported unto us with Holy Spirit is sent down from Heaven

1 Peter 1:12 KJV

(12) Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Jesus healed the deaf man by looking into Heaven as He opened up his ears. The "firmament" or expanse is the opening up of our ears to God's knowledge from Heaven.

Mark 7:33-34 KJV

(33) And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

(34) And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word/Saying of God who said "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." The "waters" above the Heaven believe upon what they hear while those waters under do not believe. The "firmament" is firm and supports the waters above as they believe in what they hear.

Thank you!

Mindy; Romans 11:36 "For of him, through him and to him are all things, to whom be glory for ever." This is not directed at you specifically but most people do not see the magnitude of; "ALL THINGS."

This verse proves to me that God created all things for Jesus Christ, by Jesus Christ, and through His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

To anonymous
The Lord is to be sought. The Bible clearly teaches that we can know truth and the Truth (Christ) through reading the Scriptures. Thus, preachers are not lying when they say you can know the Lord. However the bible makes it clear in Deuteronomy 13 what a false prophet is. Hope this helps

God bless

I believe in that book of job he is saying the days are coming we will be poured down on.

God is so much in wisdom : We I will be learning through out eternity. Can you imagine how fast this is that even a small drop of water that is according to the vapor to send an abundance of rain upon the earth from the clouds that drop and distill : Totally Awesome !!!! Wouldn't you say !!!! WOW !!!

Bible is available for us to BELIEVE and not to FIGURE OUT. That is why God says lean not with your own understanding for my Words shall never pass away. Jesus himself is the word of God. John 1:1 In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. We need to meditate God's words with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT.The light of our body is our EYES use them in God's way Amn

What a lot of people don't know is Jesus is the one that said let us make man in our image because God don't talk nothing was made without Jesus because Jesus talks God is the power it took both God and Jesus to make man. When we die we will be equal to the angels, while on earth Jesus was equal to God when he died you can almost see how powerful he is again. The spirit has been forever and ever and will remain forever Amen. Jesus is the King for ever more.

our prosperity and pleasures is tied to our obedience to God 's word

Why do these preachers lie and say they Know God when the bible says he is Amen "the hidden "

Re the 'trivia question 's correct answer ' provided by the online King James Bible Website re Eliahu being Inspired by the Spirit in his apeech the reference being Job 36 3. Not only is this wrong, I agree with Brenda 's comment of 2 04 2014 that this chapter in fact the whole unbroken series of chapters from 32 to 37 where Elihu speaks uninterruptedly is totally misunderstood even by the above Matthew Henry commentary, for the simple fact that the Lord Himself on appearing to Job acknowledges he does not 'know ' this speaker "Who is this that drakeneth counsel by words without knowledge? " and thus dismisses all that he said in that long stretch. It is encouraging to reallize the Lord himself put an end to so much distorted theology. Job did not have to answer him! Brenda challenged us to discern whose instrument he was I say he was used of Satan. Look at v4 where he claims to have 'perfect knowledge ', look at the fiery dart he throws at a man who 's lost his 10 children in an instant and everything else on earth '...thou hast fulfilled the judgment of the wicked '. Look at his gross error of imputing to Job he might try to deliver himself by means of a great ransom v.18. There he also claims the WRATH of God is on him. Only somebody who stands for the enemy speaks that way ...

I Thank God for the small drops of water. Like His holy Spirit Refreshing and cleansing !!!

Job Chapter 26 Verse 27, first shows the Pronoun He, continuing it now becomes "They '.It seems that there are Plurality of persons in the Godhead, truly there is a Triune God....

This chapter is one of the most dis-understood chapters in the Book of Job. I challenge whoever is summarizing and writing the question for chapter 36 to enter into a conversation with me about this sorely mis-understood chapter. Elihu was none of those choices listed below where it asks us to test our knowledge of Chapter 36. In addition, it is clearly most crucial to identify if Elihu was being used of God or of God's (and Job's) adversary.

Read Job many a time through the years :
Had overlooked that one: Great Insight !!!!