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Ron,

At Revelation 21's point, it's post seventh trumpet, so when is comes to God and Jesus, the two have become virtually interchangeable. Jesus proclaimed Himself to be the "Alpha and Omega" in Revelation 1:8; 21:6; and in 22:13, where Jesus identifies himself as "the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end" in red words.

There's more:

Isaiah 44:6 "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God".

Isaiah 48:12 "I am he; I am the first, I also am the last"

Jesus is the Word, a prime mover, who speaks in unison with the Great God Almighty.

John 10:30 sums it up.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

You CANNOT cancel out these scriptures with Exodus 20:3

Nor the New Commandments that Jesus delivered to us.

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

Hi butch,

you say: "yes the person can be saved and be lost if he turned his back on god" i agree!

thank god we have such a great shepherd in our lord jesus christ that want let that happen!!!

the shepherd job is to care for the sheep and ( make sure they dont get lost in the wilderness by wondering.)

john 10:11

i am the good shepherd: ( the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.)

with that being said i feel secure the "good shepherd" will do his job!!

how will he do that?

john 10:7-9.

then said jesus unto them again, verily, verily, i say unto you, i am the door of the sheep.

all that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

i am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

jesus says he is the door of the sheep, there is only one door! you came in by jesus, "you have to slip by him to get lost".

john 10:27-28.

my sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they follow me:

and i give unto them eternal life; ( and they shall never perish,) neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

:no man shall pluck them out of my hand is one thing, " they shall never perish' is another!!

no man shall pluck them out his hand, is because they want follow no one but jesus. ( they hear his voice and wont follow strangers.

they shall never perish covers broader protection, he want let them wonder off, get lost,

"he holds them in his hand"!!!

sheeps gets lost by nature, they cant keep they self safe.

thats the shepherds job. and they dont loose they sheep (( because they follow him ))!!!

and this is the work of the holy spirirt!!!

god bless.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Father Purposes

Jesus speaks the Word

The Holy Spirit (action) accomplishes it

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit seals you; He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. He indwells you. Comforts you. He is your Teacher. He anoints you to understand scripture. He is your Helper. He is gentle, and kind. He reveals Jesus to you.

John 10:30

I and my Father are one (and the same).

That statement is what angered the Pharisees and those seeking Jesus's death, so much; that he was immediately taken to Herod to be put to death.

Did you not read John 1? Is your motive to gain understanding of a different perspective or to just stick with what you want to believe?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

"the Word was God."

The Bible is 100% clear that "the Word was God"- do you agree? It says it in John 1:1 verbatim.

Who is the Word? If you keep reading it answers that in 100% clear language

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The "Word" was made flesh and dwelt among us (people).

Verse 15 says John (the Baptist) bore witness to Him. This narrows it down so much there is absolutely no one else this could possibly be but Jesus Christ. It would take serious mental gymnastics to make it mean anyone else, but Jesus Christ.

So, let's review. John 1:1 In the beginning was (Jesus Christ), and the (Jesus Christ) was with God, and the (Jesus Christ) was God.

All of this we get from John 1, the scripture I already provided which you seemed to have missed.

But there's much more than one verse that says Jesus is God. When it says God, it doesn't mean God the Father though, but God the Son. And Jesus is Lord and as well as other terms used in reverence. Just because people have a hard time comprehending the "three are one" doesn't mean they need to try to rewrite the Bible to mean something entirely different. It's already correct exactly as it says. That's part of being a Christian and having faith.

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in our image"

John 11:6-7 "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Do you believe these Bible verses?

Michael.

As we know there's several views of Hebrews 6. Here's 4 commonly used.

1) Paul is talking to unconverted Jews that has been enlightened but turned back to Judaism.

2) Paul is talking Jewish believers to urge them towards Maturity, who's mengaling in Judaism, as did the Galatians.

3) Paul is talking to a mix of the 2 just mentioned 1 and 2.

4) He's talking about Jews loosing salvation.

Consider this verse you mentioned-

Hebrews 6:4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

"IF" This verse means salvation, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RENEW YOU AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE. "" MEANING YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE IN A LIFETIME TO

GET IT RIIGHT!! ARE YOU ARE FOREVER LOST!! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!! To renew the broken commitment, MEANING ONCE YOU COMMIT ONE SIN YOU ARE LOST.

Which Dont fit in the light of these scriptures?

Jude 1:24-25. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

2 Timothy 1:12. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

John 10:28-29. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Romans 8:38-39. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jesus did say He was God. John 10:30, I and my Father are one.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Father purposes

Jesus speaks the Word

The Holy Spirit (action) accomplishes it

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit seals you; He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. He indwells you. Comforts you. He is your Teacher. He anoints you to understand scripture. He is your Helper. He is gentle, and kind. He reveals Jesus to you.

Why would you not fully cling to Him? Study the Word. Ask questions. Sit quietly in His presence until He Reveals the Word to you. Why do you not sing praises to God, through Him?

Drink the milk of His Word, and seek the Meat of the Word. Taste and see the Goodness of the Lord.

Try to comprehend what is right in front of you. Pursue Him with all of your strength.

This age we are living in is going to close out. Are you going to go with Him?

The born again are not of This World. We are aliens. We look for the Completion of the Bible.

Some day soon, Father God is going to STAND UP. Jesus will come in the Clouds, for His Church.

At that time, the Holy Spirits presence will not be as near as He is now.

How does splitting Bible amongst ourselves Help the Unbelieving have enough knowledge and faith, to take hold of God with that faith and believe Jesus is Who His Word says He is?

Pray to the LORD of the Harvest. Then go out and work in the Harvest. Ask the Lord to set up Divine Appointments. Go ye.

Do you love me? Feed My Sheep. Carry My lambs. Ask yourself, What Time is it?

Mishael

Hi Phil,

Jesus is called "the son of man" to emphasize the fact that he was truly human. There were some in the first century who did not teach this truth.

1 John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come IN THE FLESH is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come IN THE FLESH is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

Jesus is "the son of man". The Hebrew word "Adam" means, in fact, "man". Thus, Jesus is "the son of man (Adam). He is a descendant of Adam. He had a human mother, Mary, that made that possible.

Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, MADE (BORN) OF A WOMAN, made under the law,"

Romans 1:3-4 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh (THE SON OF MAN); And declared to be THE SON OF GOD with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Matthew 16:13 "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I THE SON OF MAN am?"

Matthew 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD."

John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am THE SON OF GOD?"

So, Jesus Christ is thus referred to as both "the son of man" and "the son of God".

With kind regards.

(Part 2)

Jesus Himself said in John 6:37, "All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and the one coming to me I will NEVER CAST OUT." Jesus goes on to say in John 6:39, "And this is the will of the Father who has sent me, in order that of all which he has given to me I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up in the last day." If you read John 17:11-12, you see that we are kept by God's power.

I firmly believe in the permanency of salvation because the Bible teaches that God is the One who saves and He does so from out of His mercy. Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8 that grace, faith, and salvation are gifted from God.

In 1 John Chapter 5 Verse 18, John says "We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin; but the one who has been born from God, God IS KEEPING him, and the evil one does not touch him." John also says in John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear my voice and I know them; and they follow me. And I give to them eternal life; and they will NEVER PERISH FOREVER and not anyone will seize them from out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to seize them from out of the hand of my Father."

Paul emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit. He says in Ephesians 1:13-14, "In whom also after having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, after having believed, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance, for redemption of the possession, for the praise of His glory."

Paul says again in Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION."

(One more post to come)

Hi Bob.

Quoting You -

""Really ? You don't believe the Bible that says there are more that corrupt the word of God and many false teachers etc !

Really you said what you said ?""

End quote..

I didn't say any of what you just quoted.

I believe people add to the Scriptures ( by their teachings ). Much like you did by attempting to state would I said.

Do I believe there's false teachings?

Yes! Have you noticed we deal with that everyday on this site!!

But false teachers isn't the topic on this thread,

I responded to you saying-

Quoting you again.

""There are many ways to remove scriptures from the Bible , and they have been doing it for centuries"".

End quote.

To sum up my 2 replies I began with God can reserve his word, He's Almighty!!

The volume of the book is written of Christ and it don't hinge on one verse.

Jesus said my sheep hear my voice,

" They follow Jesus not false teachers "

He want let them go astray!! And I trust the Chief shepherd.

John 10:4-5. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, AND THE SHEEP FOLLOW HIM: FOR THEY KNOW HIS VOICE.

AND A STRANGER WILL THEY NOT FOLLOW, BUT WILL FLEE FROM HIM: FOR THEY KNOW NOT THE VOICE OF STRANGERS.

Trust him Bob.

God bless. .

Hi Tom.

He here the Lord with the inner ear.

The Lord speaks to his "CHURCH" by the spirit.

REVELATION 2:29. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

JOHN 10:27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

HEBREWS 1:1-2. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

If God decides to speak Audible it would take the spirit to reveal truth.

The inner ear is the work of the Holyspirit revealing that truth.

We have to be cautious of seeking an experience whether by sight or hearing or miracles and rely on faith in God's word.

Hebrews 11:1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Israel seen and heard "As a Nation " and received external blessings and miracles, deliverance, Promises, and the Gospel.

Hebrews 4:2. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with ""FAITH"" in them that heard it.

God bless.

Joe, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

If Lazarus and and the rich man is not a parable; it makes Christ's words a lie:

Matthew 13:34 ALL these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES;and without a PARABLE SPAKE HE NOT UNTO THEM.

Luke 12:41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest this parable unto us, or even to all?

The disciples walked with Jesus three and one half years and never understood a word he said; UNTIL he took them aside and explained the PARABLES to them. Today you can't understand the PARABLES; unless CHRIST IN YOU explains them to you. Ask and you shall receive.

Ezekiel 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a FIRE in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming FIRE shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein.

Ezekiel 20:42 Then said I, Ah Lord God, Doeth he not speak in PARABLES?

Luke 12:49 I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be ALREADY KINDLED?

Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptised with; and how am I straightened till it be accomplished!

Matthew 3:11 ......he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost; and with FIRE.

John 10:6 Jesus spake this parable unto them: but they UNDERSTOOD NOT what things they were which he spoke to them.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming FIRE.

Last week at a Church revival meeting I watched from behind as two visiting ministers who were seated towards the back while youth sang get up afterwards to move towards the front of the building for the preaching service. One minister noticed that the other's suit was caught up in his pants as they started to walk forward and helped *of course his brother by love.

:)

If you confess being saved can you lose your salvation no matter what you do right or wrong?

2 Peter 1: 10-11 is very clear that we, as believers, must hold fast to our faith in Christ for eternal salvation. This, along with many other verses, teach that the security of the believer is conditional, not unconditional. 1 Peter 1:5 even tells us that we are kept by the power of God through faith (present/continual tense). We are to be active followers of Christ, just as Christ says in John 10: 27-28. the ones who are secure are the ones who follow Christ. We are absolutely assured of our eternal salvation as long as we continue in the Father through the Son ( 1 John 2:24-25). We are taught by John in his 1st epistle that the promise of eternal life is conditional on continued faith in Christ. We are told we need to endure to the end ( Mt 10:22).

Some people think 2 Peter 1: 10-11 has nothing to do with justification, but, sanctification. This is misleading because verse 11 clears explained and expounds on verse 10 to mean eternal entrance to Heaven..... Key word is entrance. If 2 Peter 1:10-11 had nothing to do with our salvation Peter would not have even mentioned entrance into Heaven.

We can, and should take such comfort in the hope and assurance we have in our eternal life. However, we need to be mindful of the warnings that the writers of the Holy Bible put forth, as well. We must never take our eyes of Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith ( Heb. 12:2). We must never let ourselves grieve the Holy Spirit by partaking in willful sin, as by willful sinning we create and evil heart of unbelief and run the risk of departing from the living God and falling short of entrance into His rest- Heaven ( Heb. 3: 12- Heb. 4:1). We must remain in God's word for guidance and instruction. By doing so, we will grow in our walk with Christ. We must always remember, He is the vine, we are the branches. We can do nothing without him. If we do not abide/remain in Christ we are cast off and burned, which is synonymous with hell ( John 15 1:6).

Wow. You shall be in my prayers. You just stated the Father, the Son(Jesus Christ), and the Holy Ghost are confused? It is clear you do not believe the Scriptures and have your own carnal idea of God. Matthew 12:32, Matthew 12:36.

Also you do not believe, or understand, the words of Christ like John 10:30?

You know God says listen to His Son right? Matthew 17:5. Even further like the Angel of the LORD in the OT. Exodus 23:20-22.

Also to glorify the Son is to glorify the Father. As they are ONE. John 14:13-14. The only way to eternal life is through the Son of God. John 14:6. 1 John 5:11-13.

God is ONE. I pray the Lord leads you to leave your own beliefs behind and trust Him and His Word.

You seem to believe in the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Though you seem to doubt who the Lord is just like the Pharisees did. Bringing Him down to "just a man". Matthew 5:20.

God Bless.

Hi Bob,

Obviously you took my post incorrectly. I'll try using Scriptures again.

I never said Christ and the Father was not a relationship. You brought this up. I never said Christ is the Father or the Father is Christ as it seems you took it. I know it's a Father Son relationship. Again John 10:30, John 14:11, John 17:21. Revelation 3:21. For a couple.

Some say the Father being in Christ means He left Heaven. God spoke from Heaven several times proving that false. Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 12:28.

Here are a couple stating the Spirit of Truth or Holy Ghost as He/Him: John 14:17, John 14:26. Putting the three in ONE as in 1 John 5:7.

As I've been trying to answer your questions though you seemed to have veered from mine. No one knows the depths and ways of God. He can do anything He wants. Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 55:8-9. Just like giving all His power and authority to His Son so we honor Him just as we honor the Father. Matthew 28:18, John 5:22-23. Not knowing your beliefs on this but no one can say Christ did not exist before He was born here. Christ Himself stated this and there are other Scriptures that back this up also. John 17:4-5. All I do is use the Scriptures. I have no private interpretation as that is not what the Scriptures are for. 2 Peter 1:20.

Nothing is falling apart for me. I've given you many Scriptural verses as I have not seen one from you. Also I really don't even know your motive for making the first post the other night. The reason I made the reply is because you said something about a "man made trinity doctrine". Which I showed you is not man made it's Biblical.

Still not getting into how many titles the Father and Son share. Not knowing if it would make any difference to you.

I'm not here to argue and don't take my post that way please. You may have your own view.

Again as I hope I've answered your questions. I'll just leave the one again.

Do you believe the Scriptures I've posted?

Thank you. God Bless.

John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.

Do you believe these Scriptures? As I could put more titles that both Jesus Christ and LORD(from the OT) share if you'd like.

There is no trinity "doctrine". That is what is in the Holy Bible. Trinity is just a word of tri/three + unity= trinity. Jesus Christ is ONE with God the Father and so is the Holy Ghost.

And in those days, the Chosen One will sit on his Throne, and all the Secrets of Wisdom will flow out from the council of His mouth, for the Lord of Spirits has appointed Him and glorified Him.

So as you are a man are you trying to explain God yourself? All we do is read the Scriptures.

My brother Earl,

Your belief is truly pure. Though I still cannot make that decision from the things in the Bible. Again, as God's ways and thoughts are so high above us I know I could be wrong. Ecclesiastes 11:5.

With things like John 10:26 Jesus Christ telling people they are not of His sheep.

Just going to focus on the one verse of 1 Corinthians 15:28. In that verse the word "all" is the Greek word "pas". Mostly it is translated as "all" thought this is not the best word for "every single one or the whole or completely". The Greek words better for that are "hapas" and "holos" for a couple.

In the definition of "pas" it states " The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ..."

Now I won't go as far as to say your belief is incorrect as I perceive you more wise than I. Again there are other things that keep me to the "saved and unsaved" in the end.

Like I stated before in that if all were to be saved in the end I really would see no real use of the Bible, following Christ, doing right or wrong, if in the end it doesn't matter. This also does not seem fair to all the people that may have been tortured or killed by someone(say Hitler) and He is to be saved and be with them for eternity.

Sometimes being fair doesn't look like the nicest thing. To the wicked that is. Though God is fair. Ezekiel 18:20-32.

God Bless you brother Earl.

Dear Leon,

Looks like you've had people replying and offering fake news. I'm sorry you had to receive that. Their positions are mostly based on a human logical fallacy, for example: "Jesus is the son of God, therefore in my limited human mind, Jesus can't be God, despite the many verses saying He is": Link

Also, the name "God" can refer to God the Father or God the trinity. The trinity is clearly explained in the Bible: Link - God is plural in many cases and uses the pronoun "we": Genesis 1:26.

Others spread anti-Christian propaganda that the trinity is somehow polytheism, which is another hateful attack based on a lie. Just because someone has a hard time comprehending how they are "one" ( John 10:30) doesn't mean 'more than one'. It clearly says they are one God. That's like someone assuming the skin of an orange, the pulp, and seeds are 3 oranges.

So, once someone reads the Word they can choose to either believe it or not. Those who don't want to believe the trinity have to perform mental gymnastics to try to discredit the book, the author, the context, the intent, the Greek, etc. It's the same old trick and most of us don't buy into it.

We will believe God's Word over man's words any day. We believe the Word is God's truth and when we read literally that Jesus is the Word and John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" then we have faith and believe it says exactly what it means, without anyone trying to be cute and deceive otherwise. We will lovingly call out fake news, propaganda, and false prophets everytime we see it.

Please ignore anyone trying to undermine what the Bible says and trying to discredit Jesus. Anyone trying to do that should be ashamed of themselves and should beware of doing the devil's work.

God bless...

Thank you for those verses Earl. I will write how I perceive them.

In John 10:14. Yes the Lord knows His sheep and all that shall be saved. As He knows the end from the beginning. In that I myself could never tell anyone if they are saved, or will be, or not as it is all God's Will. Though in Matthew 7:21-23. stating there will be some that call out to Him Lord Lord!! Though He never knew them. Showing me that not all are of the Lord's sheep.

In John 10:16. I see this as the Lord starting with the children of Israel where He went about His mission for over three years. The "other sheep not of this fold", to me, are of all other people around the world or the Gentiles. That the Gospel began to be taught to after his death and resurrection. Though as we know not everyone who hears the Gospel accepts it no matter a Jew or Gentile.

With Romans 11:16. I see it as like in John 15:1-8. As Jesus Christ being the true vine and us(in Him) being the branches. As if we don't abide in Him we are good for nothing. I don't see all becoming holy(or saved) as Revelation 22:11.

Please let me know what you think. The two ways we may see these things are ok to me. I see no problem with having a bit different interpretations of these things. The Lords Will shall be done either way and I know I could be wrong. It is good for us to converse our feelings.

In reality the most important thing for all of us is to be close with the Lord and live by the Will of our Father in Heaven. 1 Corinthians 9:14.

Putting all our trust and faith in Him no matter what happens. Amen.

Richard, I know you know these verses; but look a little closer. HIS wisdom HIS understanding.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

These sheep are the firstborn (FIRSTFRUITS) of Christ being gathered in the age we are in.

John 10:16 And OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this FOLD (the age we are in now): them also will I bring (in ages to come) and they shall hear my voice (they can't hear his voice now because he is not calling to them now; but when he calls in the ages to come they shall hear); and there shall be ONE FOLD, and one shepherd.

Romans 11:16 For if the FIRSTFRUITS BE HOLY; the LUMP IS ALSO HOLY.....

As you stated. If it may be the way we word things we post that may seem we might not see eye to eye. I don't think we are far off from each other. Though really the most important thing is that we are both with the Lord. As some of my other brothers and sisters here may not agree with me fully on everything. That's ok though. Again the most important thing is Jesus Christ. It is good for us to converse and if we do not agree on a certain point that's ok. We are still of the body of Christ and only trying to help one another.

Just for a couple other Scriptures with some things that are "above", of God, and "agathos" is not used:

Matthew 5:16 and Matthew 13:37-38. About letting your light shine before men of your "good" works to glorify our Father. That the "good" seed are the children of the Kingdom sowed by the Son of Man.

John 10:11. Jesus Christ stating He is the "good" Shepherd.

1 Timothy 2:3. Things being "good" and acceptable in the sight of God.

Titus 2:14. That we who are redeemed by the Lord be zealous of "good" works.

Hebrews 6:5. How the Word of God is "good".

James 2:7. The "worthy" name by which we were called.

To end I liked this one. Galatians 5:22. Both "agathos.." and "chrestotes" are fruits of the Spirit.

As I really can't differentiate that only "agathos.." is of the Spirit of God. That being the word Jesus used in Mark 10:18 does not mean to me this is only for Him. As other words like "excellence, righteous, honorable, wonderful, amazing, almighty, glorious, holy, beautiful, perfect, integrity, etc". To me this does not mean we would have to pick only one of these words for God. All of them fit Him perfectly. As I believe in the Greek, and most other languages, they have different words with somewhat of the same meaning.

God Bless.

This chapter of John Jesus explains so much truth , many of our answers can be found in this chapter . To know his voice is the most valuable thing to know , that's where it starts .

Spending time in the word of God is so very very worth it !

These scriptures do show the Godhead speaking amongst themselves. Before and after the Cross.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Mishael

What is the motive for this campaign to discredit Jesus's divinity? Why do you celebrate when you feel you have delivered your case? Does this actually come from God, or does it actually come from the great deceiver?

Some of these comments even have a sense of pride- as if demeaning Jesus is an accomplishment to be proud of. Whomever is behind this campaign seems quite closed off to just normal, non-distorted interpreations of the Word.

Shame on you and everyone who is attacking and trying to discredit the Bible and demean Jesus. I find these posts disturbing and even sickening to think that Christians are giving into a lie so easily without question. But the truth will always expose the lie. Jesus is Lord and Jesus is divine and Jesus is the Son and Jesus is one with the Father and Holy Spirit, Jesus is the I AM, Jesus is God just as the Bible says.

Isaiah 44:6

John 20:27-28

John 10:30

John 5:18

John 1:18

Colossians 2:9-10

John 10:33

John 1:1

John 1:14

1 Corinthians 8:6

Revelation 1:17-18

Acts 7:59-60

Matthew 28:19

2 Peter 1:1

Acts 20:28

1 John 5:7

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.