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You may read & consider the following Scriptures. But I should say, that when I think of a Christian as being permanently saved & can never lose his/her salvation, I think of a person who has come to Christ on God's Directions & Terms & has God's indwelling Spirit in them; as opposed to those who have not, & just 'grace' a Church building with their presence or may lead hypocritical lives, or for many other reasons. So, these Scriptures apply to a true believer, purchased by God through His Son, clearly showing that God never discards His children.

John 10:27-30; John 3:3,16,36; John 5:24; John 6:37,39; 1 John 5:13; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 1:13,14; Philippians 1:6; Romans 8:29,30,38,39.

These are all verses directed to Yehsua below; My God John 10:28, Thy throne of God Heb 1:8

Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28

1. Your throne, O God. ( Hebrews 1:8)

2. Thy throne, O God. ( Psalms 45:6)

3. the Word was God. ( John 1:1)

4. My God. ( John 20:28)

5. The mighty God. ( Isaiah 9:6)

6. God and Savior Jesus Christ. ( Titus 2:13)

7. the Lord God ... the Almighty. ( Revelation 1:8)

I really like Bob how you used 0 scriptures in your response!

Bob if Yeshua is less god then God the Father then are also you less human then your father!

Hi Bob, have you read these verses?

John 10:30

John 1:1

It's indisputable what they mean. There's only one meaning that's so simple and clear that children understand it. Do you believe these verses are true?

Hi Rodney, "Rodney you say the jews called out Jesus for blasphemy for him saying was the son of God and for the trintarians that's not good enough" are you suggesting that the jews was right? have you noticed they had no problem calling him son of David? was he David son? Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?

And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? Perhaps they use son different in scripture than we do, We also loose a little in the English translation, but they got the message, He presented his deity,. John 10:30-33 (KJV) I and my Father are one.

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Believing in Jesus deity may not be a requirement for salvation, but once you're saved and begin to grow revelation through the spirit should reveal that to you. I believe we stunt our growth when we come to a conclusion about a matter and spend a life time searching the scripture to try to prove whether its right or wrong and ignore telling scriptures like John 1:1. Regardless it shouldn't cause hatred between the brothern if it does thats a greater issue. God bless be peaceful.

Hey Chris would you like to do a Bible study with me you can find me on fb or YouTube let me know and I will send the info

John 17:8 (KJV) For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Great Scripture. And we can never forget John 17:5. The Glory which Jesus had was laid aside so that He could become God's Son & the Son of Man.

Looks like the trinity just exploded , all is well !

Amen! They are one Even as We Are One With Them As Well According to Jesus Christ The SON Of God John 17:22 (KJV) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

No. I'm not saying he was wrong. I'm saying given the archaic english, our understanding of the passage is wrong. When he said no one knows except the father, he was saying that he couldn't say because his father would say not that he didn't know.

Did God raise Jesus or did Jesus raise himself. The answer to this we find in John 10:18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

Now the nature of the Godhead. That is a mystery. One we shall have to wait and see to find out. The very fact we have a triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost 1John 5:7 ) defies the laws of nature that we perceive. God's characteristics Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient also defy our laws of nature.

As for the Council of Nicaea, this council was held to address the heresy that had entered the church saying that said Christ wasn't divine. Not to establish a new doctrine. There by confirming the Biblical Trinity.

Israel of God,,. these are some of the key vs in replacement theology. which views I don't hold.. Galatians 6:12-16 (KJV) As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh. Now here in vses 12 and 13 you see Paul focus is on jews constraining the galatians to be circumcised,

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature...still talking about them.. "Those that are circumcised those that or not". Galatians is the victims in these 2 verses not the focus, when he's making a distinction between jew and gentiles he says THE circumcised or THE uncircumcised. vs 16. Same pair of jews, the circumcised is them in this vs and the uncircumcised is the Israel of God.

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on THEM, and mercy, and upon the ISRAEL OF GOD. Therefore Israel of God is the messianic jew who is part of the body of Christ forming the church. as in John 10:

John 10:16 (KJV) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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Carol the only righteous people were on the earth at the time of the flood were noah and his family many people think Genesis 6 ;2 refers to beings of the true God not so look up original language translation. Also old testament law forbad any written recording of any spiritual occurance had to have Gods name on it. That does not mean the True God actually did the work. Remember John 10: 9+ 10 the thief cometh not but to steal kill and destroy. Thats the adversary also in corinthians the last enemy to be destroyed is death therefore death is an enemy of God.

There is another "will" at work in the world. He has NO plans for salvation or healing. His Old Testament name, Lucifer; but is called Satan now. He is a created angel. Not human. He has a free will also.

He is the One the scriptures describe:

John 10:10

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Luke 18:20

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

In the Book of Job you will clearly see that Satan seeks to hurt people; even kill them or cause them to be killed. He's the one who causes bad things to hurt good people or children.

God is not doing it. Satan has free will just as we do.

If we follow God: Receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; He will protect us.

There is no other way to escape Satan's deceptions and false illusions. No offense, just suppose bu iif tv, satellite and internet are your God that you look to for entertainment and comfort; You are in danger. Come away and follow Jesus.

There is another "will" at work in the world. He has NO plans for salvation or healing. His Old Testament name, Lucifer; but is called Satan now. He is a created angel. Not human. He has a free will also.

He is the One the scriptures describe:

John 10:10

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Luke 18:20

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

In the Book of Job you will clearly see that Satan seeks to hurt people; even kill them or cause them to be killed. He's the one who causes bad things to hurt good people or children.

God is not doing it. Satan has free will just as we do.

If we follow God: Receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; He will protect us.

There is no other way to escape Satan's deceptions and false illusions. No offense, just suppose bu iif tv, satellite and internet are your God that you look to for entertainment and comfort; You are in danger. Come away and follow Jesus.

It is a well that springs up unto everlasting life. Oh, the words of Jesus!

The King James version is the correct one. Use only the KJV. Do not trust any other version. Stay away from NIV or any other. There are errors in the new translations. Throw it in the dustbin. And get yourself a Strong's concordance based on the KJV. It will teach you the original meaning of every word. Read also John 17:6

Understanding his love for us, would be an eternity of learning. That is why He loves us so much !So. so. much. We have but a short time here to learn these things . God bless, keep up your study. You will only do nothing less than grow in him.

Amen Glenn, The Lord equips us to serve by the Holyspirit, thats why he told the disciples to wait on the Holyspirit before he sent them.

Our personal relationship with Christ gives us individuals power to do all things through Christ who strengthens us. Phil 4:13 so we give no authority to the enemy to steal our joy or love or peace. Your own blossoming in fruits of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22 can give you wisdom for your personal journey to defeat all attempts from the evil one and those that do evil. James 1:5. I personally believe Jesus taught us to have less of an eye for an eye old testament mind set to the fulfilling of the law in love so we each in our own spirit are stronger in our armor for our own sake. Eph 6:10-18.

I suppose either would be true...God gave his son to us...and, He gave us to His Son. I love that no one can snatch us from God's hand! Thank you for your response.

How God calls us to himself? The power that draws us unto him , he has a specific plan for us! Personally, even as a child he uses us in certain ways. As we mature and experience the life we have in this world, We are always in the palm of His hand. We may not know it , but he is using us all the time. There is no way for us to know the needs of others, it is only when he moves in us, he uses us! Sin ,will always be Satan's op. to throw us off. Make us feel guilty! Christ understands these things, that is why he came. That, we would be free through his accomplishment in the flesh. This is a great thing he has done for mankind! I would say that Jesus enjoyed his life. His love for others, and what he saw in his children's eyes , could be nothing less than who he is! Blessed are those who have not seen and believe! Christ the same today and everyday!Thanks be to God through our lord Jesus Christ.

Here is the Geek. " My Father who has given (them)to me greater then all is, and no one is able to seize out of the hand of my Father. "Gave them to me" would be the correct interpretation .God created you, therefore made it possible to know God through His son .When this happens no one can take you out of his hand. You are literally in Gods hands. Jesus Hand! As Christ began His ministry, everything that happened was according to his Fathers will. Every disciple, that joined him was from God the Father. Every thought, every person who came to him ,God the Father brought them to him! Every word that he spoke came from God the Father. Jesus said that He was here to do His Fathers will! I and my Father are one! The only time I see Jesus without his Father is during temptation. That is a whole other place. I wish to say, comes upon all of his children at one time or another. Even still no one can take you out of his hand!

Thanks for the response. I agree with everything you said, but it still doesnt answer my question. The discrepancy is which Bible version is correct...my Father gave them me...or, ...my Father gave them TO me...

The Father, gave Jesus from himself. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself! Jesus declares the Father. The Father and the Son are one! Jesus at the same time calls Him His Father . The unity of the trinity is the foundation of the gospel. We do not serve a monotheistic God! We serve the trinity. In verse 30 he answers your question. Anytime man adds to or subtracts from the word it is for mans design and not Gods. These, 3 cannot be separated. If man must die to preserve these truths . Then we say Amen!

John 10:29 in the KJB refers to..."my Father who gave them me..." yet, in the NIV it says..."my Father who gave them to me..."

Which is the correct translation...gave them me...or, gave them to me?

Norman, I just want to add another point to Adam's very good perception of "people wanting to believe what they want to believe". As we read of Jesus' Life & Ministry, we see that the Jewish religious leaders were never far away. Their sole objective was to discredit Jesus & to also keep the people from following this 'false teacher with strange doctrines & claims'. Not only did they have to protect their understanding of the Law, & of course their added rules & regulations thereby overburdening the people & compelling them to adhere to what they said, but they had to protect their own position & credibility. The matter of God's Word, of Truth or of the witness of Jesus' Life & Work before their eyes had little or no bearing as the other (more important) matters of 'their rules, their hold on people & their position in the eyes of the people' outweighed anything else.

So when we read of Jesus' full blown accusatory remarks against these "blind leaders of the blind" ( Matthew 15:14), He did well to describe them as "whited sepulchres", as "vipers", "hypocrites", "blind guides/fools", etc. This was not said by Jesus as snide remarks as to those who opposed Him, but as if speaking to workers from Satan, "children of the Devil" ( John 8:44), who did nothing for the Kingdom of God, but only served Satan, dragging many innocent people with them to hell. If in any group of people, whether in Islam, RC, the cults, etc., where the adherents are bound to their leaders or else face wrath & retribution, ought to be a clear demonstration of the fallacy of such a system & its great departure from the Truth.

So many began to follow Jesus by what they heard & saw of Him ( John 10:40-42), thereby opposing the Pharisaical teachings & no doubt facing their wrath, but also they followed the dictates of their consciences, of what they witnessed & the opening of their eyes by God's Spirit. Christ came to set men free in many more ways than we fully realize.

I agree with you my brother. By your response, I know that you are genuine..back to the "Parable of the sower" the right seed planted in the wrong ground never produces anything and as such will not yield any fruit. Hearts must be good ground and receptive to receive the benefit of the word. Jesus taught using real life examples to teach...for example he said over and over, "The Kingdom of Heaven is like." I believe that one of the ways that we can show that Jesus is also a Father is to look at our own family relationships, beginning with Adam, the father of Seth, the father of Noah, the father of Shem....the father of Terah, the father of Abraham, the father of Isacc, the father of Israel. The title of father is being handed down through generations even in our own families. Christ is Father to us who believe in him that he is not just the Son but has also inherited the title of Father...we are called his little children because we are begotten of him through his blood through the lineage of King David who is our father too. Jesus is Son of God and Son of Man.

Another example is that God called the first man and woman Adam which means earth ( Gen 5:3). Adam (male) was the one to name Adam his wife (female) eve. Because they are our foreparents all of humanity is called "earth"...besides read John 10:34-38 and Psalm 82:1-6. Those who are born of God the Psalmist says are gods. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" ( John 10:30-33; Deuteronomy 6:4; Philippians 2:6).

Jesus also called the church his bride so we are also one with him.

Any title of God is inherited by Christ who is the begotten of the Father ( Psalm 2:7; Hebrews 5:5). Our children refer to us as father and mother although we ourselves call out parents the same...I hope this helps.

Sadly, No. Her heart was still there in Sodom, in spite of the wickedness of that city. She might have physically turned around, but her heart was already on the way back to be at her home, with her people & her friends. But if you're thinking whether her spirit would still be saved in the day of reckoning, that remains in God's domain of judgement. It would be like the coming time of Great Tribulation, a Day of God's Wrath on disobedient mankind: the chance to escape will not be the passion of most, preferring the desire of the flesh & of life itself, rather than desiring the salvation of God.

Yes,lot's wife was not saved was she?

Why do people say they want you then lie cheat and not tell him truth he don't thank someone don't care I beleave people helping people and it's not my turn to help why won't my friend tell me facts yesterday they say over and lied

Bob, you err.

"I and my Father are one.(equal)" John 10:30 This is the case scripture makes for the equality of the persons of God, you err.

The Jews understood the claims of Jesus,"because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:33 Bob, you diminish God because he does not fit your sin tainted logic, and that is tragic.