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Enjoy Gods creations and some say there is no God.

Dear Andy, What I have very recently written is my testimony.

My love to you reaches St John's and Halifax and surrounding farm lands to this very hour. Songs are being sung, widows are being visited, love is being shared in hospitals, and grain is likely now in harvest.

Carleton

Jesus froght suffer and died for our sins. Came down from heaven knowingly, too teach and preach about why he was here. When it come to the truth, people say tell it to me straight; but ready don't want to here. That's what Jesus did for the short time he was he on earth. He died for our sins so that we, all humanity would have a right to the tree of life. Tell everyone too repent and pray. In reference to John 10.

40. Resurrection and the Life - "Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die." John 11:25

41. The Door - "I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture." John 10:9

42. The Way - "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

43. The Word - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1

44. True Vine - "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser." John 15:1

45. Truth - "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32

46. Victorious One - "To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne." Rev. 3:21

47 - 50. Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders.

And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Is. 9:6

All thisand so much more.

He alone is worthy.

Jesus.

After all the "discussion" over the weekend about Jesus's name ( Yeshua, Messiah, etc)

He's worth so much more than to be an object of disagreements. Am I the only one who felt like crying?

Mishael

Jesus provides divine operating assets for life with God.Genuine believers receive freedom from guilt and the misery of the effects of sin. They also receive divine operating assets to live for the Lord day by day. The way of all divine fellowship and communion is through Christ. John 10:7, John 10:10.

50 Names and Titles of Jesus:

1. Almighty One -who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev. 1:8

2. Alpha and Omega - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Rev. 22:13

3. Advocate - My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 1 John 2:1

4. Author and Perfecter of Our Faith - Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb. 12:2

5. Authority - Jesus said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Matt. 28:18

6. Bread of Life - Then Jesus declared, 'I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. John 6:35

7. Beloved Son of God - And behold, a voice from heaven said, This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased Matt. 3:17

8. Bridegroom - And Jesus said to them, Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast. Matt. 9:15

9. Chief Cornerstone - The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone." Ps. 118:22

10. Deliverer - And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1 Thess.1:10

11. Faithful and True - "I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war." Rev.19:11

12. Good Shepherd - "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:11

13. Great High Priest - "Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession." Heb. 4:14

The Godhead Scriptures

Acts 17

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

THE GODHEAD SCRIPTURES

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

1 John 5:7.

John 10:30, I and My Father are one.

My favorite is Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together abut Him.

Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.

NOTE: In the King James Bible, the words , TRINITY and TRIUNE,

ARE NOT used!!! Someone who was unable to teach LET US as a lesson, used these other words to describe, Three.

If you had used the Search Box provided on this website you would have seen it come up with NOTHING for triune and Trinity. No further comment is needed.

Mishael

US is the LET US in 2 of the Godhead scriptures. They were discussing a situation amongst themselves: 3 Persons in the Godhead: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7; 1 John 5:7

John 10:30 and Acts 17: 27-30

Write those down. It comes up in conversation a lot.

Hi Mike,

I'd like to share an alternate viewpoint if you are open to it.

Do you believe that Jesus often spoke parables? These stories and metaphors were a means for teaching and he explained why he used them: Luke 8:10

So, when Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood in John 6:53 did he literally mean to kill him and resort to cannibalism? I believe not, based on all his previous metaphors. Even his followers knew it was symbolic, but didn't quite understand the symbolism yet.

Jesus also said a few verses earlier in John 6:35 that he's the bread of life. Does that mean he's literally a loaf of bread walking and talking? It was a metaphor.

Jesus also explained the purpose of communion in Luke 22:19. Do it in remembrance of Him. If the goal was to literally eat and drink Jesus then you would think he would not have said this. It suggests the whole purpose of communion is to remember Jesus and His sacrifice for our sins and not that we're supposed to literally eat and drink him as food.

Also Jesus says John 14:6, John 10:9, Acts 4:12 that he's the only way for salvation. Not a man. So, I feel if a religion uses another man, like a Pope, in-between you and Jesus that you must go through then it is a false teaching inconsistent with scripture.

God bless!

J. Reid from Canada :),

T. Levis from USA

This is a hugely debated issue within churches 4 sure.

John 13:34-35

Romans 16:17-18

2 Timothy 2:14-15

If there isn't a rapture could it be the cause of a great falling away?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

Revelation 6:8-11

GOD be with us all who believe, love & trust HIM, to strengthen, hold, protect & keep us faithful

Jude 1:24-25

John 10:28-29

Genesis 5:21-24

2 Kings 2:11

Mark 16:19

Acts 1:6-9

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Mathew 24:37-46

I hope these are helpful

Excellent point! Jesus often embodied the fulfillment of scripture before their eyes, that they (and we) are without excuse.

People naturally interpret this different ways. You can get a rough survey of widespread opinion by simply listening to prayers. People often use different terms interchangeably, like Dear... Lord, Jesus, Father, God, etc. I personally believe God looks at the heart and that people are not sinning by using the wrong proper noun.

It is my opinion that we are to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. Jesus said no one comes to the father but through me. That doesn't automatically mean we switch and start worshiping and praying to Jesus only. Jesus is the pathway; he said he's the way to get to the Father. It doesn't say the Father is the way to get to Jesus, or that Jesus is the way to get to Jesus. So, I believe it implies that we are trying to follow Jesus to lead us to the Father. John 14:6. Jesus intercedes for us. Romans 8:34. It said to follow Jesus in His example, but no where in the Bible am I aware of it saying to worship and sing songs solely to Jesus.

Of course confusion is not surprising as it says Jesus and God the Father are one. Of course, they're separate to some extent, but united. We just don't know to what extent they are united or as 'one'. John 10:30.

John 7:16-18. Jesus was sent by God the Father. He was presenting information pre-approved by God the Father. There is a slight hierarchy in my opinion. So, I think to pray to Jesus and worship Jesus is not supported by scripture in my opinion. But if I hear someone praying to Jesus and praising Him I do not see that as offensive.

God bless...

Most assuredly remission of sins happens on earth following blood atonement (Leviticus chapters 16 and 17). Yet only the blood of Jesus Christ is adequate propitiation, he being God in the flesh ( Isaiah 53).

What Jesus demonstrated was that he had power to lay down his life and then take it again. ( John 10:18).

Admittedly the character of Christians is too often a ready excuse for unbelief.

Marginal medicine majors on the malady while repudiating the remedy.

but Jesus is God. John 10:30 .

Jesus is not God, He is the Son of God, this is the start of being a witness unto him, where to start... 1 John 4:9-15, Ephesians 1:19-20, Luke 18:18-19, 1 John 5:1-11, John 5:17-47, Hebrews 10:12, John 6:38, Matthew 16:13-17, Romans 1:9, 1 Corinthians 3:23, John ch 14, John 10:36-38, Matthew 24:36, John 8:54, John 10:17-18, Hebrews 1:1-9, Matthew 27:46, Mark 14:36, Matthew 10:40, Revelations 3:21, Mark 12:35-39, 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Matthew 20:23, Revelations 1:1, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 1 Timothy 2:5, John 1:18

Scriptural Facts-Gen.6:4:

1. Heavenly or Fallen Angels can not procreate according to biblical scripture. ( Matt. 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34)

2. The Nephilium were present before, at the time, and after the sons of God and daughters of man had ***. They can't be their offspring, because they would have to be born first.

3. Sons of God could mean holy Angels or holy men according to scripture. ( Job 1:6; 2:1), ( Psalm 82:6, Hos. 1:10; John 10:34-38, Matt. 5:9; Luke 3:38; Rom. 8:14)

* The sons of God are the renown men of old(from seth's lineage)and were tempted by the Nephilium (Fallen angels) to lust the daughters of men(from Cain's lineage).

There can be no sin near God. As Jesus and the Father are one, in that moment a separation had to occur. Jesus TOOK ON, ALL sin. That sin had to be separated from God. The English translation for the word 'enkataleipo' (Greek) is abandoned or left behind. That sin had to be abandoned and left behind. Jesus, the man of flesh who took on the sin, was left behind. Jesus in resurrection of Spirit was not abandoned.

Comment only: Jesus experienced the pain of being separated from His Father.

If we were more sensitive we would feel that too when we sin knowing full well that we are doing it.

A conscience that feels no pain is seared. just like a strip steak you throw on a burning hot skillet.

Jesus suffered through pain of separation for every human mentioned in John 3:16. All humanity: from Genesis to Revelation.

If. as Jesus revealed as a truth in the bible, also known as the GOOD BOOK, that "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE" - John 10:30 - why would Jesus, as the only begotten Son of God, while crucified and dying on cross cry out loud: "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?" Matt. 27:46

Poch Suzara

Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

1 John 5:7.

John 10:30, I and My Father are one.

Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together abut Him.

If you persist with trying to confuse people with Triune and Trinity, then you are opposing yourself.

Everyone here has the responsibility to search what we say. Is it scripture??

Quit being lazy and look this stuff up.

Mishael

Yes.

Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:37

1 John 5:7.

John 10:30, I and My Father are one.

My favorite is Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together abut Him.

Mishael

The 144,000 refers to 12,000 people from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. Not literal Israel but spiritual Israel.

They are virgins/undefiled.

Revelations 7

Revelations 14

Hope that helps!

They are the Israelites (didn't believe Jesus Christ) before the rapture. After that when they see Anti-christ they will be warned and accepted Jesus Christ.

I thought that when the end comes only 144,000 people will go to Heaven. than some woman brought it to my attention that 144,000 are Virgins. is this correct and where is this in the Bible

John 10:30" I and the father are one" How then can people say that Jesus and God is different?

The Godhead is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Here are verses showing the Godhead speaking amongst themselves.

Different ministries, functions, but all three United in purpose. The LET US. From Genesis to the New Testament.

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 3:22

Genesis 11:7

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Acts 17:27-30

Please write these on the back page of your Bible. People ask this question frequently.

Mishael

Yes Israel is God's chosen people and this is proof

Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then ARE YE are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

nothing about we "BECOME" or "SPIRITUAL SEED" it says ARE YE the seed of Abraham.

I believe Christians are the chosen seed.

Others want to believe those who deny Christ, who are ANTICHRISTS, are the chosen seed.

please prove to me the antichrists are God's chosen from the Bible.

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and well I believe him.

Adam where does the Bible say that those in the modern day claiming to be Jews are indeed who they say they are?

Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

2nd witness of Jesus in Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Jews are going to worship at the feet of Christians.

Did you know the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL?

Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

How can anyone tell me that those who have the wrath of God against them for rejecting the Son is the "chosen people"

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Looks to me that those who hear the voice of Jesus are true sheep or the chosen people.

Darlene,

Concerning Jesus and God being two separate entities.

Very well explained.

God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.

John 10:30

"I and My Father are One"

The word "One" is the Greek word "hen" and is given in the neutral form of speech. This means that they are one in "essence" not one person, which would be in the masculine form of speech, and would use the Greek word "heis."

If the words of John 10:30 are to be taken literally, what do people that believe this do with John 10:29 (as well as ALL other verses, including the ones you mention)?

"My Father,which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand."

I suppose this means "I, which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My hand."

And John 10:30 would have to read; "I and Myself are One."

Seems like a lot of explaining has to be done here for these statements to make sense if God is Jesus and Jesus is God.

And please don't try and say that Jesus is God in flesh. Again, the understanding of figures of speech must be taken account for.

I would not want to be in the unenviable position of trying to uphold a position as truth while I am denying proper grammar and plain Scripture that is using OBVIOUS figures of speech.

Not a page of the word of God can be turned without the use of Figures of Speech."

Figures of speech are a LEGAL part of English grammar that follow rules, not something that is arbitrarily used by the reader whenever he or she feels the urge.

Taking literal what God states as figurative and taking figurative what God is states is literal is a fundamental reason why people misunderstand the word of God.

You know part of the Mystery.

The Godhead is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Here are verses showing the Godhead speaking amongst themselves.

Different ministries, functions, but all three United in purpose. The LET US. From Genesis to the New Testament.

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 3:22

Genesis 11:7

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Acts 17:27-30

Your understanding of scriptures represents you very well.

Mishael