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Luke 8:11

"Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."

1 Peter 1:23

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Genesis 1:31

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Psalms 119:107

"I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word."

Genesis 3:14

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:15

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

2 Timothy 4:1

"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;"

John 6:63

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

John 20:29

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

1Cor 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

John 10:36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Luke 3:38

"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

Write these scriptures in the back of your Bible. This comes up frequently.

The GODHEAD:

Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Acts 17:27-30

John 10:30

4 Events when the Godhead spoke to each other concerning a matter:

The "LET US" scriptures"

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 3:22

Genesis 11:7

1 John 5:7

If your Bible has center of each page, columns; read the scriptures it lists for those verses. It widens the information, or sometimes mentions a prophesy. You'll discover many gems of wisdom that way.

Mishael

Adam,

Yes, I have read John 10:30.

The word "one" is the Greek world "hen" which is neutral, and means "one in essence", not one person, which would be the Greek word "heis," which is masculine.

You have picked one Scripture out of the Bible to prop your belief up on without putting it in context, look at ( John 10:22-29).

Again, what do you do with all those Scriptures that says God and Jesus are two different entities?

Hello, have you read this?

John 10:30

To me, while there's some separation because of their names, it says they "are one" that means they are one and unified as a being or entity. Therefore Jesus is God too. He has the powers and checks all the other boxes of a divine being but is not God the father. I personally don't know how this verse can be interpreted any other way. In other verses it shows them unified with the Holy Spirit too so that's how people come to understand the concept of a trinity.

John 10:30

I and my Father are one.

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John 10:30 - How do you interpret this verse?

John 1

Confusion around this topic isn't surprising as God can mean the father, the son, and holy spirit, or 'God' can mean just the father. Jesus is called Lord and the son of God and He prayed to God the father. Jesus has many other nick names too.

Do any of these verses influence your perspective?

No, Jesus isn't 'above' the father. I don't think its a hierarchy. John 10:30.

>Then in fact if u get God the Father to say it

Yes, God is perfect and doesn't lie or sin. I don't understand what you mean by your comment. You can't trick or manipulate God into anything, if that's what you mean.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews - Bible book of

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews Then answered the Jews

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in

John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jeffrey, Thin logic? Scripture is thin logic?

The Holy Ghost is called God, Jesus is God and the Father is also.

Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to LIE to the HOLY GHOST, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto GOD.

Each Person of the Godhead SPEAKS AUDIBLY in the Bible--

God the Father SAID of Jesus in Matthew 3:17 ..."This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Jesus SAID in John 10:30, " I and my Father are one."

The Holy Ghost SAID in Acts 13:2, ..."Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them."

Genesis 1:26-27, And God said, LET US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God [not angels. the "us" can only refer to God.] created he him;

In the Old Testament, we find that God has a Son ( Proverbs 30:4, Psalm 2:7-12) and a Spirit ( Isaiah 40:13, 2 Samuel 23:2, Judges 3:10, etc.).

I Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

The Godhead and salvation.

The Holy Ghost reproves us, teaches us, guides us and testifies of Jesus Christ.

John 14:26, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me:

John 10:30 kjv: I and my Father are one.

Chris,

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In addressing your comment mentioning that God would not properly be representing all races; I will state that God chose Adam and his lineage to bring forth, umbilical cord to umbilical cord, the Savior of the world ( Genesis 3:15). That promise by our heavenly Father made this particular lineage the most important lineage to ever walk on the face of the planet. All other peoples and nations mentioned in the Bible are only due to their interaction, good or bad, ( Isaiah 10:5) with God's chosen people and the nation of Israel.

We are all children of God, blessed by Him, and given freewill to believe whatever we want!

On a side note, you state that Adam and Eve were made "in the image of God." The PLURAL words of God stating "in OUR image, after OUR likeness" ( Genesis 1:27) is the intention of God to make the mortal features of mankind to be a physical reflection of God and the angels. We are to be a representative figure of what we looked like in the 1st Dispensation of time. We are an illusion of that spiritual body, but delivered unto these flesh bodies in order to be tried and tested by God by the very freewill He grants unto us. How could God the Father and His only begotten Son know us beforehand if the first time we came into existence was in these flesh bodies in this 2nd Dispensation of time? The answer is simple; God "did foreknow" ( Rom 8:29) each and every one of us because we were all there in the 1st Dispensation of time. The only One made in the true image of God is His only begotten Son ( John 5:37, John 10:30 John 14:7, John 14:9, Colossians 1:14, Colossians 1:15. The clear understanding that there are 3 heaven and earth ages can be found in 2 Peter 3:6, 2 Peter 3:7, 2 Peter 3:13.

Question If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?

Jesus came to save us spirit, soul and body. When you read the four gospels Jesus met peoples needs in all areas of life. Jesus came to and did reverse the curse brought into this world through the fall of Adam and Eve. God loves His creation with an unconditional love. Some have never experienced that kind of love in their life. The word "salvation" in the Greek actually means-rescued, delivered, healing, prosperity, well being, completely made whole. He taught us about faith (simply believing His word) and through faith we can walk in an abundant life because of His finished work on the cross. God is our Heavenly Father and just as our earthly fathers, He desires to make life good for us. What parent doesn't want their children to do well in life. This life is possible if we lay down our desires and take His. He needs us to be witnesses to save the world. Don't take my word for it study for yourself. When we stand before Him one day, His word will be the standard that we will be judged by. Yes there has been abuses in the body of Christ but that doesn't change the gospel and it's power to change our lives, spirit, soul, and body. John 10:10. God bless!

The woman is the church and the answer if found in Revelation 12

that is the real future of the church. I know many will argue with me, however IF they want to believe the antichrists

in the middle east are the woman, well that is on them. A remnant of them shall come to the Lord at one point.

Zionism is a secular non-religious movement.

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand

Chris, how do you or anyone know those over in the middle east are in fact Jews? Because they say so?

Jesus in bible book of Revelation 2:9 says I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL. (God's chosen people?)

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

The United Nations in 1948 created that state, not the Lord, and the United Nations is openly satanic.

Their official publisher is Lucis publishing, originally Lucifer Trust.

Hello, cherry picked verses can often lose context. For example: John 10:28, if you read before it, in verse 25 Jesus says his own works bears witness (fruit) of Him (same as with Christians), verse 27 says his sheep hears His voice and follow Him- that's an active pursuit requiring action on the part of the followers, just like to follow Jesus it requires action as a Christian. And 28 He will give them eternal life. Eternal life is given after judgment, but some are claiming they have eternal life BEFORE they're even judged regardless of their fruit or blasphemy, etc. Mt 12:32 clearly says anyone who commits blasphemy will not be forgiven, not only on earth now, but in the future.

Hi Chris and Adam,

I wondered whether to put my two cents in where it may not be welcomed, especially after the matter had been settled between you two, which is always a good thing, whether an agreement or not, I learned a lot by reading this thread, but it brought to mind that Scripture " John 10:28-30 (NIV) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

My mother would drill that Scripture into my head, over and over, while I was growing up, "If you are truly His, NOBODY will be able to pluck you out of God's hands." Which was comforting to me.

I guess that's why I found this thread so fascinating, loosing one's faith verses eternal security, but I have to say, God knows the heart, ( Jeremiah 17:10)

I was saved at twelve, I remember it very well, I was saved completely, and read my Bible all the time, was zealous to the things of God, but through-out my life, I was never the 'perfect' Christian, by some in church today, but God loved me anyway, and for some strange reason, He has chose me to minister to those who are broken, in a world that rather ignore them, even in the church. I guess, there's a purpose for everything.

Now, back to why I decided to respond, you two are brilliant men of God, I hope and pray you continue to grow in the knowledge, grace, and wisdom God has given you, and not let a disagreement grow to resentment.

Thanks again for everything,

Etta

Kathy, not sure what you're looking for, but if it has to do with any other Scripture that has resemblance to Psalm 23 in showing God's care for His people, then have a look at: Isaiah 40:9-11; Jeremiah 31:10,11; Ezekiel 34:11-16; John 10:11-17; 1 Peter 2:25. There are of course, many other references to the duty of shepherds & the many shepherds in Israel, not of flocks, but of God's people, who have not done according to what God required of them & therefore received some stern warnings.

Jesus Christ is for believers now, their Great Shepherd, Who not only gave His Life for His sheep, but will one day come to gather them in a special way, into His fold to save them from the Anger of God that is coming upon the world, & to relocate them to a new "sheep pen", i.e. unto Himself in the New Jerusalem where we will be with Him & the Father forever.

Patricia, did you mean John 10:30-31?

In John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and my Father are one."

Verse 31 does not use the word Father because the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus for saying I and my Father are one.

The Jews understood the phrase "I and my Father are one" as Jesus claiming to be equal to God Himself. That's why they took up stones.

But did you notice that Jesus didn't deny it? He never said "Wait a minute guys, before you stone me, I think you might have misunderstood me." The Jews knew exactly what Jesus meant!

John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

1 Timothy 6:18-19 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

2 Timothy 3:17

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Matthew 22:32-33...7:15; Ezekiel 34:12

John 10:12, 8

Luke 15:4-7

1 Peter 2:5

People are sheep, or a goat. Jesus is THE SHEPHERD. He will know who is what.

There also are wolves in sheep's clothing and ravening wolves.

If the sheep are lost, we need to take them over to 1 John verses 5-10; particularly verse 9. Show them how to get all that mud and stickers out of their wool. Baby Christians need to learn to run to Jesus and pray verse 9. Lay it all out and admit everything. They learn to love clean and Light.

A new commandment 1 John 2:8-17

1 John 3:10 in this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness, is NOT of God (a goat); neither he that loveth not his brother.

Once I got to carry a "lamb" in intercessory prayer, for weeks. Someone desperately wanting to die. As soon as that person turned to God for help, I was released. If Jesus let's you carry a lamb you will never be the same person. Sheep, lamb, goat?

A person who calls upon the Lord and surrenders their life to Christ, has their sins forgiven, past, present, and future. Paul gave instruction concerning apostasy in 1 Timothy 4:1-5. Paul expressed concern in Acts Chap. 20, for the church, that after he died, grievous wolves (false teachers) would enter in amongst the believers, not sparing the flock. He said men would arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Paul warns about apostasy, that false teachers would come into the church and deceive many, causing them to depart from the faith. So apostasy means to depart.

In 2 Thess. 2:3, Paul says let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, (Tribulation period), except there come a falling away first. The term falling away is the word apostasy. In John 10:4-5, Jesus says His sheep know His voice, and they follow Him, and will not follow the voice of a stranger (False teacher/false profit). Therefore, a true believer cannot commit apostasy

(Part 4) John 17:11-12 also shows the keeping power of God. I believe in the permanency of salvation because the bible teaches that God is the one who saves and He does so from out of His mercy. According to Paul, in Ephesians 2:8, grace, faith, and salvation are gifted from God.

John says, in John 1:13, believers "were born, not from blood, nor from the will of the flesh, nor from the will of man, but from God." Therefore, from Scripture, a human being cannot save him/herself.I can't keep myself saved, so I have to trust God's power to keep me. John 10:27-29 is one of the most beautiful pieces of scripture that shows me that I am secure in Christ.

Also, Jude states in his doxology in Verse 24, "But to the one being able to keep you without stumbling and to set you before His glory blameless in exultation." Paul emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30.

Sorry this is long, but salvation is very important to me. One more post, I promise!

Open your heart! Don't put limits on wisdom or knowledge nor should we limit the simple teachings of the Savior. We, including Jesus, are all spirit children of God the Farther. He is our brother of whom, given the agency to choose, is now reveling in His Devine inheritance! We all are capable by birth right to inherit Kingdom's beyond our comprehension. The Atonement, the beautiful gift of repentance, and our own choices and honored covenants, will determine the degree of glory, We choose our own inheritance, by works recorded in the Lambs Book is Life. The scripture is plain! Believe! James 1:5 will help.

You may already know this, but words that are in italics mean that they were not in the original text. They were added in by the translators. I don't believe there is any extra meaning to that verse.

They had problems back then with people believing in God the Father, but not in the deity of Jesus Christ. We have some of that today.

Jesus said in John 5:23 that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent Him.

In John Chapter 5, Jesus said that all authority has been conveyed to Him. He is to judge all people. And He is to be honored equal to the Father. Most religions believe in a god, or might even call him father. But they will not believe that Jesus Christ is equal.

Jesus said in John 10:30, about the sheepfold, He said I and my Father are one. You can't have one without the other!

But he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also. Whosoever denies the Son, the same does not have the Father:

John 9: 41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. Jesus performed many many miracles in front of the Pharisee Jews to verify his ministry, including raising the dead and healing the disabled. He gave sight to a man born blind who saw both physically and spiritually who Jesus was and acknowledged him. Even the blind man knew the miracles of Jesus came from above.

Pharisee Jews saw the miracles and instead of believing in the ministry of Jesus, they choose to discredit him claiming his miracles were from the devil. Physically they could see, spiritually they were blind.

John 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

Because the Pharisees had sight they were sinners already

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. All men are guilty of this?

Hello, because Jesus is God. JOHN 10:30

I told a little of my testimony to let others know how very present the Holy Spirit is to us during crisis. Ask. He's there. Talk to him. Ask Him to teach you to pray; intercede like Jesus is doing now. A intercessor (I was taught) is one who asks to stand alongside someone, in their place, to fight against satan or to release a blessing into someone else's life. You must know who you are in Jesus Christ before you take on some hell to stand in for someone who may not know they're on satans radar. He steals, kills and destroys. JOHN 10:10
Pray for people who need it. People are hurting now and receptive to let someone pray for them. Answered prayers are your reward. :D

Hello, I'm not sure if you're joking or serious, but in case you actually believe that I will be happy to clarify. Christianity believes in one God, period. There's several Bible references saying this, including 1 Corinthians 8:6, John 10:30, 1 John 5:7-8. Now, let's break down your comments. The 3 dimensions or personalities of God is not 3 gods, the scripture is clear.

Satan as 'god of the world' is a metaphor for satan just as 'prince of power of the air' is a metaphor 2 Corinthians 4:4. You could use the same logical fallacy to claim that satan must be prince then? No.

Jesus is called the 'arm of the Lord' so does that mean he's a literal arm? No.

The Bible is clear = only 1 God.

Every time I ever judged anyone; said it, thought it, sneered, smirked, mumbled, the Holy Spirit reeled me in. I finally got cured. He even made me watch The Shack movie 28 times! I got blissfully delivered.
There is too much judging going on in here. We could be learning the FRUITS of the Holy Spirit. Believe me that unrighteous judgment grieves Him. If you don't feel that, then your conscience may be seared like a strip steak.
These 5 scriptures say don't Judge. Repent. Write them down. Matthew 7:1, Luke 6;37, John 7:24, I Corinthians 4: 3-5. BE MERCIFUL
Now check this one out: Ezekiel 2:21

God is going to personally deal with Israel. Pray. Stop accusing. WWJD God bless you.

That Promise that God made to Abraham was about Christ being multiplied as the stars of heaven is about the seed of Christ the WORD th NEW COVENANT THE BOOK THAT HAS TO BE OPENED.Note then the woman goes into child birth simply b/c of the seeds of the sower the contents of the book th words of life.And to whom the word came it made them Gods.we see this so clearly when Jesus breath on them and they received the H.G. WHICH IS GOD.This cannot be refuted that whom th WORD came it made them GODS his breath was his word his seed. The H.G fell on them that heard his WORDS his seed.Ya gotta realize that GOD SWORE BY HIS OWN SELF WHEN HE MADE TH PROMISE.Thus Christ will propagate God in Humanity