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  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    More on this heresy (Man becoming God)

    Part 1.

    There are different religions extant which teach that Godhood is a graduated experience (God was once man) and that man can actually attain the level of Godhood. The number of religions which teach this is increasing as more polytheistic, Eastern religions are being introduced to America. Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) taught the following:

    "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens...I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form -- like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man....it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see....and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3).

    Verses used to teach man can become God. The apostle Peter wrote of being "partakers of the divine nature" ( 2 Pet. 1: 4). A careful study of the text reveals the apostle is teaching that we are to acquire traits of God, such as "godliness," "virtue,", etc. (vs. 5-11). Indeed, we are to be Godlike and partake of the divine nature in this sense. Jesus used the word god in an accommodative sense in John 10: 34, 35. "God," as used in John 10 and Psalms 82: 6, is applied to superior people, rulers. Jesus, however, is not teaching that these rulers had become God as God is God.

    See Part 2.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Alex, cont.

    John 10:34-36 says, "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God."

    Jesus here was not affirming that the judges spoken of in this quote from Psalm 82 were actually gods, but was being ironic in stating the obvious that these judges were wicked and not gods, but yet the religious leaders would say that He was blaspheming God by saying that He was God's Son. The religious leaders were accepting of what was said in Psalm 82 as the Word of God that came to the writer of the Psalm and that the words of God are not to be set aside, but they were unwilling to accept what Jesus said about Himself, even though they could find no wickedness in Him that would disqualify Him as either speaking for God or from being the Son of God.

    Those who quote Psalm 82 to support that men can become gods rarely include the part about these so-called "gods" (judges) were wicked and humans who would die as all men do. This passage in Psalms (and Jesus was alluding to the whole psalm when He quoted part of it) in no way support any doctrine that men can become gods.

    To attempt to deify humans inevitably demeans God and brings Him down to the level of humans. Those who teach deification of humans fail to understand that God is so high above anything else in essence, character, power, and glory. If they did they would realize how ludicrous it is to teach that men can become divine. And if one teaches that men become divine but not to the degree of what God is, is to teach that their are different levels of deity and therefore other gods besides the true God, which goes against what God has revealed about his singularity in Scriptures.

    Because the teaching of the godhood of humans usurp God's sole position as the only God in all things.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Gi Gi Gbu But there is a simple way we can know without a doubt who is of God and who is not...You have stated your position several times in the pass that God cannot multiply himself....We cannot be Gods is your postion..As others in this forum...Remember ..So now let me have your attention for just a sec...And i love ya sweety in the Lord...But listen Jesus tells us to whom the word came it made them Gods... John 10:35...And the scripture cannot be broken....But you don't believe that as some others in this forum...And in Psalms :82:6 I have said ye are Gods ....Impling that Jesus can multiply very God in us via his seeds his words...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin...Thats y he has to know us. That N.C...The words in the book that he wrote with his own blood....And Jesus said the very Kingdom of God is gonna be with in you...Not here nor there but WITHIN you... Luke 17:21....So plz tell me sister Gi-Gi how can the Kingdom of God be with in us...And we not be Gods...So ya can readily and easily see who is of God and who is not....Its simply them that believe his words...But them that don't believe his words are the reprobates...And in his prayer he prayed that God wd make them 1 John 17 :21..There wd be no way we cd be made 1 with God Almighty ( the marriage ) and we not be Gods...And don't give me that upper case lower case thing...Simply b/c there is no upper case or lower case in Hebrew.... Ephesians 5:30...plainly tells us we are gonna be made bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh....So that does away with the lower case and upper case analogy....Its gonna be a Genuine Marriage in the spiritual realm...As the bridegroon rejoices over the bride so shall thy God rejoice over thee... Isaiah 62:5....GBU Gi-Gi...And have a good week end...
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    KJBO,

    Typed in "song" said 0" Typed Jesus, 2 suggested verses = John 10:11, John 10:4,

    I've experienced a few indications tonight that there are hacking bots or something, because code keeps popping up between words, while I search with Modify Search, it has corrected when I go back & retry. So this New feature may be affected by these things occurring.

    I will try it again for sure
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, Galatians 1:8, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 1:6,7,13,14,

    Sons of GOD: John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Philippians 2:15, Psalms 82,= John 10:34-42, John 3:1,2,

    The Hebrew word for Angel is "mal'ak" Sons of GOD in Hebrew "ben elohiym"

    James 1:5, Colossians 2:8, 2Timothy 2:15,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply on Song of Solomon 1 - 2 years ago
    John,

    2Timothy 2:15,

    Matthew 6, John 3:16,

    James 1:5, James 4:8,

    Is a good place to start.

    If you want to read about Jesus, Luke 1, is a good Book to start, you can search words in this site also.

    Many people try reading the Bible from cover to cover in a year or less. As you read & study you will notice several Scriptures of the Bible will speak about the same situations, people & events at times, so as you get to know scripture more, you might want to study multiple scriptures together.

    Solomon is credited for Proverbs 1, some of the Psalms, Ecclesiastes 1, others similar Ecclesiasticus 1, Wisdom of Solomon 1, Song of Solomon 1, it seems much easier to understand deeper Songs of Solomon when understanding other scriptures, like Psalms 1, Psalms 42:1, also the love story of Solomon,

    "spoiler ALERT," = sadly the love of many wives turned Solomon's heart away from GOD & the nation. 1Kings 11,

    But Jesus is Greater than Solomon! Matthew 12:42, John 10:23-42, Matthew 6, Matthew 6:26-33,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Thirsty4Wisdom.

    I agree with what you stated.

    "Do I need to get baptized along with trusting in Jesus to be saved?

    Yes, by the Holy Spirit, not by water:"

    Let's look upon another quote of yours concerning those who which the law was given. "Israel."

    In Matthew 15:24 Jesus said "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

    This was not an outright rejection of the Gentiles.

    "Moments later, He heals the woman's daughter" but this was a fulfillment of prophecy, a setting of priorities, and a test of the woman's faith.

    In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and "lost sheep."

    The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these "lost sheep"

    Ezekiel 34:23-24 Micah 5:4-5.

    When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy

    Mark 6:34, 14:27. John 10:11-16.

    He is simply connecting His presence with God's purpose in Old Testament history. Christ was "born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law"

    Galatians 4:4-5.

    John the baptist was his forerunner who came in the office of Elisha to prepare the way. Malachi 4:4-6.

    This was the baptism of John.

    Acts 19:4. "This baptism was only for Israel." John was preparing the way!

    Christ has not yet given charge to his disciples to go out to the ends of the earth to "IDENTIFY/BAPTIZE" the Gentiles with the gathered sheep of Israel.

    In-fact he didn't send them until AFTER he died on the cross and rose from the dead to atone for the sins of the whole world.

    All the offerings and ordinances was a foreshadow of things to come.

    Colossians 2:13-17.

    Hebrews 10:1-10.

    God bless and

    Goodnight.
  • Texsis - 2 years ago
    part 2, In John 10:7 "I AM" the door of the sheep & in 10:9 I AM the door: by me if any man inter in, he shall be saved, & shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:11 "I AM" the good Shepard: the good Shepard giveth his life for the sheep & 14, "I AM" the good Shepard, & know my sheep & am known of mine (believers). Then in John 11:25 "I AM" the resurrection, & the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead (an unbeliever), yet shall he live: continue reading - 26. "I AM" the Way, the Truth & the Life, NO man come unto the Father, but by me. And last yet definitely not least, John 15:1,5 "I AM" the Vine ye are the branches: he that abides in me, & I in him, the same abideth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Good to read on till end of 11. They also link Jesus to the Old Testament revelation of God. The Bible is said to have Many translations; these ppl are either ignorant (merely not knowing the bibles truth), evil or both. When copied, They went directly to the original translations so it was directly written per jot & tittle. We don't have originals now yet we do have documents that date back 100 yrs A.D - 120 A.D. over 6,000 manuscripts of antient writings & over 25,000 Archaeological digs. We have matching documents over 2,000 yrs after the original that match jot per tittle. ANY DEVIATION AND THEY WERE THROWN OUT. plus, in many different languages as; Ceriac, Coptic, Latin & Greek.

    Mr. B said, "I'm not here to prove the bible, I'm not here to defend the bible & Charles Spurgen said it best, "I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. You don't defend a Lion, You just let him loose, he'll defend himself.!! *"The Bible is a Reliable Collection of Historical Documents. Written by eye witness, 'during the life time of other eye witnesses' that report 'supernatural events'-'that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies' & claim that their writings are Devine rather than human in origin*".

    Here are some verses...
  • Texsis - 2 years ago
    part 2, In John 10:7 "I AM" the door of the sheep & in 10:9 I AM the door: by me if any man inter in, he shall be saved, & shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:11 "I AM" the good Shepard: the good Shepard giveth his life for the sheep & 14, "I AM" the good Shepard, & know my sheep & am known of mine (believers). Then in John 11:25 "I AM" the resurrection, & the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead (an unbeliever), yet shall he live: continue reading - 26. "I AM" the Way, the Truth & the Life, NO man come unto the Father, but by me. And last yet definitely not least, John 15:1,5 "I AM" the Vine ye are the branches: he that abides in me, & I in him, the same bringeth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Good to read on till end of 11. They also link Jesus to the Old Testament revelation of God. The Bible is said to have Many translations; these ppl are either ignorant (merely not knowing the bibles truth), evil or both. When copied, They went directly to the original translations so it was directly written per jot & tittle. We don't have originals now yet we do have documents that date back 100 yrs A.D - 120 A.D. over 6,000 manuscripts of antient writings & over 25,000 Archaeological digs. We have matching documents over 2,000 yrs after the original that match jot per tittle. ANY DEVIATION AND THEY WERE THROWN OUT. plus, in many different languages as; Ceriac, Coptic, Latin & Greek.

    Mr. B said, "I'm not here to prove the bible, I'm not here to defend the bible & Charles Spurgen said it best, "I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. You don't defend a Lion, You just let him loose, he'll defend himself.!! *"The Bible is a Reliable Collection of Historical Documents. Written by eye witness, 'during the life time of other eye witnesses' that report 'supernatural events'-'that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies' & claim that their writings are devine rather than human in origin*". Here are some verses...
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I would agree with your understanding of the Scriptures Eagan, on this matter. Though there are Scriptures that show that the one in Christ is eternally secure ( John 10:27-29; 1 John 5:13; Ephesians 1:13,14; 1 Peter 1:5; and many more), there are also many others verses that seem to show that salvation can be lost & one must work hard in their faith to ensure that they will make it to the end & be accepted.

    So, when one considers ALL of the verses pertaining to this subject, somehow it has to be reconciled what Jesus or the other writers are actually saying. Just like whether the Rapture is pre, mid, post, or anything else, we can get into a similar problem. For this one, my underlying Truth is that the Great Tribulation is God's Judgement against the unbelieving Christ-rejecting world, therefore those in Christ will be saved from it.

    For Eternal Security, the underlying Truth is the truly repentant soul has come in faith (& nothing else), been regenerated by the Holy Spirit, indwelt by Him, put on a new path towards Heaven, with the Mighty God and His Son being his all-consuming focus & passion & not the world. Can such a person ever be lost again - deciding, 'No, I prefer to follow the world & reject Christ?' We can never know how real another's salvation has been - nor should we ever place ourselves in that position of making such a judgement. Or, whether one's faith is being tested & some errors & backsliding are taking place - to which the Holy Spirit will move, alert, warn or chastise to bring him back. But the fact of the matter is, that 'the Lord knows who are His', He 'knows His sheep & His sheep hear His Voice', and His sheep will obey the Shepherd even if there has to be some stern words & goading.

    Thus Galatians 5:22-25 are so important, especially "they THAT ARE Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." These are the marks of the one truly saved, living for Christ.
  • Eaganstjohn - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I believe in eternal security of a believer, once saved always saved. (John5:24), and can never lose their salvation ( John 10: 27-29), believers who wilfully sin after salvation without repenting of that sin may come under the chastisement of the Lord ( Hebrews 12:4-8) but can never cease being saved, sons of God. Anyone believing otherwise never had salvation. Believing in eternal security is part of salvation.
  • Louis Logwood on Psalms 88 - 2 years ago
    I believe the psalmist is speaking about when we are going though ,what I call DRY TIMES with God. There will be days we will question our salvation ,our worship,our crying out to the Lord! In these times the Lord sometime wants to see what we are going to do? Our we going to keep studying the word, worship, keep raising our hands to HEAVEN or just give up ? Remember the book of Job, can we be like Job?Well for me ,I have been though a lot of dry times over 42 years. I almost went back . Family, job situations, marriage. But the song writer said "trouble does not going to last always". When hard times come we go on a fast from the TV,from the pleasures of this world . Do God's work all the time, not sometimes. Look at this ,this way. When we our at work, things don't always go our way, we don't always get off on time,that associate that never agrees with you on this day ,worse than ever, that doesn't stop us from going to work! I said that to say this don't give up on Christ, he made the ultimate sacrifice,giving his Life on the Cross. John 10:10 That we may have Life and that more abundantly, In JESUS Remember True Christians don't give up to the world,we give in to JESUS.I believe in " 2 Corinthians 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair ;" 1 Corinthians 10:13

    "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." But we must remember this scripture in " James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: Now let's remember also that God loved us first. I leave you with this study your Bible showed thyself approved. Don't slack in God's work,also don't be caught with your work undone. Have A Blessed New Year with Jesus on your mind All the Time.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Relationships and the fullness of life.

    There are two different things that change in our lives when becoming Born again. There may be need; for the sake of the Kingdom of God to abandon friends and family. This takes into account our love being greater for God than anyone else i.e. those who don't "hate father and mother; etal ( Luke 14:26) cannot be my disciple". The normal explanation here is our relative love is greater for God than family. I would suggest a better explanation would be that the cultural norms; tradition; and expectations that are resistant to the Gospel must be when causing us to sin avoided; and the resulting shunning or persecution from that community is part of the necessary collateral damage.

    What this does NOT mean is that men decide to divorce their "pagan" wives for a different "Christian" women; who just coincidentally is younger and more attractive than their marriage partner more than statistical averages would suggest....

    It also doesn't mean we don't help widows in our family and those in need there lest we be considered "worse than a pagan" ( 1 Tim. 5:8). We can look at Jesus' example; He was the Son of God so His statement that those who were His mothers; brothers etc were those who did the will of God ( Mark 3:35) may be a bit harsh. Nonetheless; He knew at that point even some of his family didn't believe in Him. ( John 7:5). Ultimately; He said to John "behold your mother" during His greatest agony on the cross; thus exemplifying the love for Mary once Joseph clearly had passed. ( John 19:25-27). Now John would be as a son; also showing how we are put into God's adoptive family in John's case.

    Malachi 4:6 discusses restoring fathers hearts to children; and vice-versa. This could be prophetic for those looking ahead toward the Church Age. One believer CAN bring about further repentance and belief among family members; as happened with Paul and the jailor; for instance. ( Acts 16:29-34). John 10:10 therefore can happen
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Identity in Christ and the Body of Christ

    The battle for self identity isn't too profitable when we understand that as sinners; we are in a helpless; hopeless state with the wrath of God abiding on us. ( John 3:36). Once our lives are under the authority of Christ rather than the prince of the power of the air ( Eph. 6:12); but now we have the King of Glory as Lord; Savior and yes; Master. Or; alternatively; as the popular Sting song lyric states our servant has become our master if we remain in our sinful state. God promises that although unworthy servants we are called "friends" and His yoke is easy; and burden is light ( Matt. 11:28). Satan is a brutal taskmaster; coming to "steal; kill and destroy." ( John 10:10). Such basically is the state of youth in America today; and sadly many of those who give testimony of their children dying of drug (usually Fentinal) overdoses see nothing getting better in the near term.

    So the question comes up; what is a more profitable state; our old self or our identity in Christ? We are still; in some sense uniquely "us" but with our spirit testifying with His Spirit ( Romans 8:16) that we indeed are "God's children." Somehow; we naturally tend to hold onto our old nature as long as we live; we are still subject; of course to the effects of the fall with the flesh eventually passing away but the new man growing (see 1 Cor. 4:16). We literally are crucified to the flesh in Christ and already in the new life in the spirit ( Colossians 3:3). In reality then; our old selves are redeemed to be all they would have been if they had never been corrupted by th effect of sin; and in fact are in much better glory. (See 1 Cor. 15). What we DON'T realize before salvation is that we are never autonomous and able to go beyond the set limits God has; and we are held accountable for our actions. With faith we can begin to comprehend that we are "seated in heavenly places" ( Eph. 2:4-6).

    And; "to live is Christ; to die gain" ( Phil. 1:21).
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Alex1939....Hiya Ryan Gbu...But Jesus says there will be 1 only shepherd and 1 sheepfold...Not 2... John 10:16

    .....And 1 st Cor.12:13...By 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ ,whether we be Jew or Gentile, Bond or Free...etc

    there is no way we can get 2 gospels outa that...Jew or Gentile implies circumcision and uncircumcision born again of that New Creature..THE H.G...That 1 and only Spirit...which is the gift of God to Jew or Gentile...Thus there is only 1 New Covenant

    .....And 1 gift of God which is the H.G....As Jesus tells the Samaritan Woman at the well...of that Living water the H.G.

    .....And on the day of Pentecost...There were folks there from every nation....And God poured out his spirit on everyone of them.

    .....Only 1 spirit the gift of God the H.G. That 1 and only Promise the gift of the H.G...Which is the multiplication of very GOD in humanity via that New Covenant...Living words and to whom the word came it made them Gods simply b/c of the marriage we are all gonna be married to God...And a marriage is when 2 are made 1 ....But for the life of me i cannot understand how you can get 2 gospels outa 1 blood...As John said Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...Only 1 lamb..1 blood...ok lemme go
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Son of GOD, please read : John 3:16, Luke 1 & 2, John 17,

    John 5:30, John 10:17, John 14:23, John 16:27,

    Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18,19, 1John 2:26,27, Colossians 2:8,

    Hopefully helpful
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Peggy. You could look up the following Scriptures on Jesus Christ's Deity (i.e. God's fullness found in Jesus ( Colossians 2:9) & in His Holy Spirit). Jesus' Deity is proved by:

    a. His Names: Hebrews 1:8, John 20:28 (God); Matthew 16:16, Matthew 26:61-65 (the Son of God); Matthew 22:41-46 (Lord); Revelation 19:13 (Word of God); Revelation 19:16 (King of kings and Lord of lords).

    b. His Characteristics: Matthew 28:18 (Omnipotence: all powerful); Luke 6:8, John 2:24,25, John 13:11 (Omniscience: all knowing); Matthew 18:20 (Omnipresence: present in any place); John 1:4 (Life); John 14:6 (Truth); Hebrews 13:8 (Immutability: unchanging); 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1-14 (God manifest in the flesh in Jesus).

    c. His Works: John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 (creates); Colossians 1:17 (sustains); Luke 7:48,49 (forgives sin); John 11:41-44 (raises the dead); John 5:27 (judges); John 15:26 (sends the Holy Spirit).

    d. His receiving Worship: Hebrews 1:6 (from angels); Revelation 5:11-13 (from other heavenly beings); Matthew 14:33 (from men); Philippians 2:10 (from all).

    e. His equality within the Triune God: John 14:23, John 10:30-33 (with the Father); Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14 (with the Father and the Spirit).

    I hope you can see from these few Scriptures that Jesus was not just a special Man or Prophet sent by God, but truly was "God manifested in the flesh". No other man before Jesus' coming, during, or after His leaving this Earth, could ever fully reflect God's Glory, Wisdom & Power. Only God could - and He did this by sending us His Word, made Him a Man, so that He could give His Life as full payment for our sins - but only to those who believe this & place their trust in Him. To some, the 'Trinity' teaching is abominable. But man's salvation depends on the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ - that God could accept no other Sacrifice to redeem & secure people to Himself - only by giving fully of Himself, which is true love for all.
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    Who ARE YOU? 2 Corinthians 5:17!

    You cannot approach God in your natural birth! You are still in Adam and all ethnic groups have to come to God by the blood of the cross. John 14:6.

    Salvation didn't come by genealogy religion or ethnic group Salvation didn't come by anything Adam had to offer. Salvation came by the seed of the woman that's Christ.

    There's your new birth.

    If you belong to any ethnic group, religion, church or political party, without Christ you will be told I never knew you.

    Matthew 7:21-23.

    Abraham was asked to leave his father's pagan land and was promise a land flowing with milk and honey. In Hebrews it says this is the new Jerusalem. Hebrews 11:8-10.

    God said he will make a nation out of Abraham. (There is no value in the pagan land in which he came and there was no value in him when he came) He had to come to God by instrument of faith to receive grace, "as do we".

    We are the seed of Abraham and sons of God through faith.

    Salvation didn't come by the nation of Israel. The nation of Israel demonstrated there is no good thing in the flesh.

    God will put his spirit in Israel and Israel as a nation will be saved as we. Acts 15:8-11.

    There will be a new fold and One shepherd. John 10:16.

    God bless and good night.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Ezekiel 45 - 2 years ago
    Ezekiel 44, Ezekiel 44:2-3, possibly the prophecy for Luke 19:28-48, Luke 21, notice Luke 21:37, Matthew 21, Mark 11, Notice Mark 11:16, Mark 12 Jesus still in the Temple Mark 13, notice Mark 13:1,3, as noted Jesus went & left, the same direction. John 10:23,

    Ezekiel 44:16,17, Revelation 7 note Revelation 7:14,15,

    Ezekiel 47:1-10, healing living water, John 7:38, John 4:11,13,14, Matthew 9:35, Fishers, Ezekiel 47:9,10, Jeremiah 16:16, Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17,

    If you look at Ezekiel 1:1,2,3, they were already going into captivity as Prophesied by Isaiah 39:1-7, 2Kings 24:15, Jeremiah 52:31, before Daniel, Ezra & Nehemiah before the return & rebuilding, Ezekiel 48 - end; might have been the divine blueprint for the temple that was rebuilt before Jesus was born

    Matthew 1:17

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 91 - 2 years ago
    There is a phrase I heard while travelling: "Same, but Different"

    This might explain the seemingly paradoxical relationship of the trinity or Godhead. Exactly how much the same are they and exactly how different are they? We don't know, we're only humans with limited capacity to comprehend this and no Earthly experience with this relationship. We only know what God's word says...

    1 John 5:7

    "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

    John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    1 Kings 8:60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

    John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

    Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

    Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

    Isaiah 9:6

    John 10:38

    "...the Father is in me, and I in him."

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    1 John 5:20

    "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

    Acts 17:29

    "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or sto

    Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    1 Timothy 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;"
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi.

    John 4:24 GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    "ONE LORD," one faith, ONE BAPTISM,

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

    Romans 8:11. ( BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM ) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, HE THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT that dwelleth in you.

    1 Corinthians 15:45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT.

    Acts 13:30. But God raised him from the dead:

    Study these verses and you will see the trinity in who raised up Christ from the dead.

    John 10:17. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

    God bless.
  • Dan - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The "Us" is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    The Word is Jesus. See John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Also the Lord Jesus said "I and the Father are one." John 10:30

    Holy Spirit is God 1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Midian.

    That's interesting. Esau is a type of fleshly man and so is Jacob sometimes when used in scripture.

    But Esau cared not for the birth rights. Jacob wanted it but he had to learn to trust God. When he did he was later named Israel.

    ( The birthright wasn't given by merit.)

    This seems to paint a picture of the wickedness of the ungenerated heart of man. Man has no faith or desire for God apart from the spirit of God. A 1000 years of man being ruled by the Lord with a rod of Iron and when satan is loosed not only do they rebel, they go to war against the Lord. That's not the Church who follow the Lord because they hear his voice!

    John 10:27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    God's spirit in a believer won't lead him to rebel against God.

    Here's 2 verses to consider;

    1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

    ( We've been sealed)

    2 Thessalonians 2:7.

    "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (This is how Satan's deception is made possible )

    By the time you get to Revelation 4 We've been Redeemed.

    God bless.
  • IO'Neal on John 10 - 2 years ago
    rhere is the comment found that says if ye but believe in me I will furnish your every need
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thanks Giannis.

    That's the way I have it as well.

    On the Matthew 24:31-46 I think I was responding to Gigi.

    Her quote;

    By GiGi

    The most consistent view in the church over the centuries was that the rapture happens on the Last Day, as Jesus said in Luke 21:27; Matthew 24:29-31. Even Daniel was told that he would arise on the Last Day in Daniel 12:13. This is why I believe that Jesus comes back only once again and will gather believers to Himself on the Last Day.

    End quote.

    My point was that Matthew 24 was not about the rapture.

    Those taken away are gathered for judgment.

    She's rapturing the wrong group!

    Some say that the tribulation is a time of testing for God's people. Who and what is being tested? God's grip?

    We must consider these verses. John 10:28-29.

    I John 4:4.

    Matthew 28:20.

    John 14:18-20.

    Ephesians 3:30.

    Jude 1:24-25.

    Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

    So it's obvious God is not testing a spirit filled vessel.

    TRIBULATION.

    This is mentioned in Daniel 12 where a specific time period is mentioned and Jesus confirms it in Matthew 24:15-21. This tribulation is to come upon the whole world. This is not the persecution ( By the world ) promised to the Church in Matthew 5:10 and other places.

    There's a huge difference between persecution by the world and tribulation ( UPON ) the world.

    Millennium.

    Where does Christ thousand years reign here on earth fit in their theology?

    My reason for asking is they are split in this view.

    If you say the rapture comes after the tribulation and you use Matthew 24 to authenticate that, When is the thousand years reign of Christ here on earth?

    Why would you rapture people out of the Millennium?

    Some hold the view the Millennium has already begun and the Church will usher in the Millennium by preaching the Gospel.

    They say there is no rapture.

    Continue this weekend.

    God bless.
  • Alex N - In Reply on John 10 - 2 years ago
    Kelvin a very good question....But ya have to go back to John 1 :12...I think you are refering to John 1:12 and 13....His NAME sake.. Which is the H.G. he that is born in US via Jesus seeds....Which is our new innerman that is not born by the will of any man nor is he born by Blood as he is a spritual being....Nor of the Flesh as by the will any man's carnal mind....This John 1 :12 is speaking of the sons of God that have to be born in us via only the will of God...Man has absolutely nothin to do with this new Birth which is done by the seed of the sower the words of God....Thats y he has to know us thats when that Good seed is sown in our hearts and minds that forms Christ in us a baby ....Thats y Jesus said unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....This scripture is speaking of Christ being formed in us as a baby..Thats y Jesus has to know us.

    ......My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you....Which is the H.G. his name sake Remember Jesus said the H.G will come in my name....And the FATHER will send the H.G. in my name John 14:26....Impling the H.G. is Jesus name sake will be born in us via Jesus seed....Thats y Isaiah refers to Jesus as everlasting Father....Jesus is the Father of the H.G....When jesus breathe on his disciples he was propagating very God via his seed his breath was his words his seeds etc..Thats y Peter said being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God ( Jesus )...That liveth and abideth for ever....Living words not written words...The living words are seeds of living beings the babes and suckling he speaks of are Spirits..Thats y he said that which is BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT...Thats the babes and suckling that have to come in his name....Which are spirits ...Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receveith me which is that Child of PROMISE the H.G...Our new innerman our new heart and new spirit...Jesus is not impotent he has a seed
  • Kelvin on John 10 - 2 years ago
    John 1:13 Who were born not of bloods, nor of the WILL of the flesh, nor of the WILL of man, but of God. The saving of a soul is all the work of Christ. The concept of man's so-called free-will is Antichrist. Scripture refutes it. Predestination is a magnificent truth, thank God.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Adam. I don't see that Jesus was praying, in the sense of, believing or expecting His request to the Father to be answered in the affirmative. Jesus knew the reason for His Coming & to fulfil this Divine appointment ( John 10:15-18). Rather, I see the anguish of soul to His imminent crucifixion & bearing the world's sins, as the one & only hope for mankind's spiritual deliverance. Should He fail, there remained no other perfect Sacrifice that would satisfy the Father's Holy Demand.

    I realise the Matthew reference does look like Jesus was unable to muster up enough faith (having to thrice approach His Father), but given His faith to accomplish anything He wanted, it would seem unreasonable that His faith fell short in this instance; rather His faith isn't in question here but His deep anguish as when a son seeks the ear & comfort of his father in a time of pain & hopelessness.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thanks Alex. I agree with parts of your comment, but if your belief is that Jesus mass produces gods like a factory equal to the one and only God, then no, that is not what I believe or is what the Bible says. This may not be your belief at all, but it is of others I've noticed on this forum so I'll explain...

    Gen 26:4 is regarding the seed and lineage from Abraham. It's talking about people, not gods. He's giving countries to people, not gods, for example.

    If the comment is referring to 'gods' as in Psalms 82:6, Acts 7:40, notice it uses lower case 'g'. The word God is not used in the same manner as the one true God uppercase, but plural lowercase, which indicates a metaphor for His followers having characteristics of His authority. Psalm 82:1 demonstrates the difference.

    If believers can be metaphorically considered 'gods,' how much more is the One whom God has chosen and sent ( John 10:34-36)?

    Before believers start running around assuming they're deities from these few select verses (exactly what satan wants), the scripture must also be balanced with the entire context of other scripture in God's Word, such as:

    Rom 13:1-4 - calls followers the "minister of God", that all power comes from God, but all are subject to God's "higher powers".

    John 17:3

    James 4:7

    1 Peter 5:6

    Romans 13:1

    Romans 12:1-2

    etc.

    God bless
  • Henry - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Chris. Brother to think or even contemplate that the God and Father of our

    Lord and saviuor would use anything of the devil's abilities or devil spirits to

    Accomplish His will is beyond absurd. John 10:9. The thief cometh but to

    Steal kill and destroy that's the adversaries job nothing else. It's a tremendous

    Manipulation of the enemy to get people to think or believe that the true God is

    Causing any problems when He has Nothing to do with man's unbelief! Sin

    Sickness disease and death physically or spiritually did not occur until Satan

    Stole the rulership of earth from Adam. Luke 4:6 it was delivered to Him the

    Adversary also known as God of this world. So all of mankind's problems

    In all categories are because of unbelief in the true God and Jesus Christ and

    Being tricked by the God of this world which the true God has nothing in common with!


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