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A word of encouragement for you;
John 15:9
John 13:13-14
I've read a few of his quotes but that one bypassed me.
The bible speaks of this falling away throughout scripture, even symbolic in the Leaven offered in shavuot.
It's no comfort to me to engage in this debate in such manner. It's actually heart breaking.
If nothing else you're blessed with the clarity of scripture being played out before your very eyes. It declares the truth.
Jesus foretold his desciples many things for them to observe that they might believe.
John 13:19.
John 14:29.
Thank you and God bless.
True Christians can not persecute true Christians; only false converts can encourage true Believers in Christ to suffer severe persecution for His names' sake. How will all men know without a shadow of a doubt, who are the real Christ followers verses the false professing ones?
The answer is stated in Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
Matthew 7:18, "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
Love is one of the fruits that is mentioned first in Galatians 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
1John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
True Love, God's Agape love does not persecute another child of God for doing what God says to do in His Holy Word. A person will know who is who by the fruit on a person's tree. That is how an Believer will be able to discern a true Christ followers from an affected (phony) one.
That is why in John 16:2 it says, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."
When Saul before he became Paul before he had a road to Damascus experience: he was on a mission to slaughter all the Christians in certain territories, when Christ, thank God, interrupted his plans. Paul considered himself the least of the apostles because of his past persecutions against the church of God.
1Corinthians 15:9, "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."
But now that Saul was transformed by the Holy Spirit, he is now a new creature.
I have a question?
What do you do when you depart this body of flesh? When only the spirit remains.
Hebrews 12:23 ....and to the spirits of just men made perfect....
Some of these men (apostles) were made perfect 2000 years ago; what have they been doing for 2000 years?
John 13:36 ....Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now (while you are in the flesh); but thou shall follow me afterwards (when only the spirit remains).
Christ is IN CREATION, (as the Holy Ghost), giving creation LIFE and bringing creation to TRUTH:
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ...
Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD, and FATHER OF ALL...
God is LIFE and TRUTH.
When you leave this flesh and only spirit remains, you are ONE with GOD, ONE SPIRIT, ONE LIFE, ONE TRUTH.
Revelation 10:11 .....thou (John, also you as a ministering spirit) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
John told the disciples to go unto ALL THE NATIONS preaching the kingdom of God; this is only possible after you become a spirit of a just man MADE PERFECT.
The IMAGE OF GOD.
GOD is SPIRIT.
God Bless YOU!
John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Jesus said Judas "is a devil," not "will become a devil."
The record of John 6 was long before the record of John 13.
John 13:2
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
If Judas was ever made righteous by faith, where is the evidence? He walked with Jesus but so did others who were not saved.
Jesus said of Judas in Mark 14:
21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
The OT prophesied of Judas
Psalm 109:6-8
King James Version
6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
I believe Jesus knew from the beginning that Judas was unsaved and would never get saved and chose him to serve alongside the other 11 apostles just the same.
8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
We, as followers of Christ, need to follow the Holy Spirit and set our minds on the things above. We were once alienated from Christ based on our wicked works ( Eph. 2: 2-3). We were once children of darkness, but, now are saved by the blood of Christ. He is the one who presents us holy and un-blamable in the sight of God IF we continue in the faith ( Col. 1: 21-23; Gal. 5: 1-5). We also see that Biblical faith is one that expresses itself in love ( gal. 5: 6). We need to remember that only those who endure to the end in faith will reap eternal life ( Romans 2: 6-11; Gal. 6: 7-9; Mt. 10: 22; 1 Jn. 2: 24-25; 1 Cor. 15; 1-2).
People don't go to heaven, flesh and blood CAN NOT inherit the kingdom of GOD.
Man, thru TRUTH, is changed into the IMAGE of CHRIST.
This is the good news of the gospel, we are going to be the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
At present Christ is in the form of the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of the Father, abiding IN MAN, bring creation to TRUTH.
By coming to Truth; the SECOND COMING of Christ, as the Holy Ghost, teaching you from WITHIN, man is transformed by the renewing of their mind: into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
When we depart this body of flesh we are instantly in the PRESENCE OF THE HOLY GHOST, THE LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
Christ knows all men, therefore you also will know all men, because you have become ONE WITH CHRIST.
John 13:36 ....Whether I go, thou canst not follow me now (flesh and blood, CAN NOT), but thou shall follow me afterwards (when you depart this body of flesh and only THE SPIRIT REMAINS, by TRUTH, you have become ONE WITH THE SPIRIT.
Hebrews 12:23 ....and to the SPIRITS of of just men MADE PERFECT (having their being IN CHRIST).
God Bless You!
It's very true that Jesus spoke to Peter in that very straight way, for at that one particular moment, Peter became a 'satan', an adversary, attempting to block Jesus from His necessary sufferings on our behalf.
However, we must look at ALL Scripture. Jesus restored Peter ( John 21); Peter had a very productive ministry, which we to this day are benefiting from. Praise the Lord. NO devil, no, not satan himself, is restored! He is forever cut off and lost.
By the FRUITS we know people. The Pharisees were told by Christ that they were of their father, the devil, because they were doing his works, his lusts!!
Peter, though he failed miserably out of human infirmity, he was never a devil. He sealed his testimony with his own blood.
Judas, on the other hand, had satan enter him, John 13:27, and fully possessed him; Judas betrayed Christ to death...thus, in both his lying and murdering, these wicked fruits - showed that he was a devil, and perished like one, in self-murder.
There is a vast distinction between Peter's character and Judas's, and both show from where they were 'born' from; Peter was truly born from above; Judas was of his father the devil.
I am aware of these Scriptures. I leave it up to Jesus to determine what this will entail. But for me, I don't dwell on ruling over
anyone, but instead seek to follow Christ's example and words from Luke 22:25-27; John 13:1-17 and elsewhere where our
Lord instructs His followers to be servants, not rulers and to follow His example (washing their feet) and that those who wish to
be great in the kingdom must be the servant of all. So, I do not glory in the designation of believers being "kings and priests of
the Most High" as the King of Kings was humble and a willing servant. That is what I want my attitude to do.
I just think that those who desire to rule over angels and others have an unhealthy and devilish attitude.
But here, "friend" translates from the Greek noun root (transliterated "hetairos"; pronounced "het-ah-EE-ros"). This term speaks of two close associates who are bound by mutual obligations such as in business ventures wherein both must equally trust, confide, and depend upon the other. Such is the use of the term "friend" in this parable as well as that used by the householder when responding to the employee's complaint concerning his wages ( Mt. 20:13):
"But he (the householder) answered one of them, and said, Friend (Greek "hetairos"), I do thee (the employee) no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?"
The king's use of the word "friend" proves highly ironic for this attendee was unconcerned, and possibly even rebellious toward the dress requirement. By blatantly violating such a visible requirement as refusing to wear a "wedding garment", this attendee revealed his lack of cooperation and resistance to other obligations as well (cp. Ps. 55:12-14 & 20-21).
Of note, JESUS addressed Judah Iscariot as "friend" when Judas betrayed HIM ( Mt. 26:50):
"JESUS said unto him (Judas), Friend (Greek "hetairos"), wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on JESUS, and took HIM."
The verse above ( Mt. 26:50) fulfilled the prophecy recorded in Psalm 41:9:
"Yea, MINE own familiar* friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of MY bread, hath lifted up his heel against me."
* Hebrew "shalom" = English "peace".
While Judas was CHRIST's "friend" only through his feigned and hypocritical discipleship, he perfectly fits in the context of a "familiar friend" ( Ps. 41:9) as John 13:18 & 26-27 describes: "I know whom I have chosen:He that eateth bread with ME hath lifted up his heel against ME."
Hidden gems of Prophetic mystery until Jesus fulfilled many. Luke 24, Luke 24:27, Revelation 12:4-11, Revelation 20,
I recommend reading the Bible & prayer, the movies aren't fully accurate, they seem to focus on the art, not Truth
James 4:10; Ephesians 4:31,32; John 15:12; Romans 12:9,10; Philippians 2:3,4; Colossians 3:12-16; 1 Corinthians 13:4-7; Ephesians 4:2,3; Galatians 5:22-26; John 13:34,35 (given to re-emphasize John 15:12).
Your opening comments are very interesting.
The things you say of me are exactly what you are doing.
You also didn't address the passage in 1 Cor 15:45, you totally ignored it.
Luke 3:38 Adam is called the son of God. Jesus is compared to him.
He is also the son of God. The two Adams. The first one failed the second one didn't.
Jesus is now at the right hand of God and Jesus has been given all power from God.
Jesus will reign until the last enemy is destroyed and that enemy is death.
Then Jesus gives everything back to God and is subject to him. 1 Cor 15:28
You say I denied Jesus divinity. What do you mean by that? Jesus is at Gods right hand.
He is Gods son. He is in a very divine position.
But is he God? No, he is the son of God. No ware in the scriptures is he called God the Son.
Lets look at some of the scriptures you sent me.
John 14:6 Consider John 5:30, 6:38, 7:16, 14:24,31
His words were his Fathers not his own. The doctrine he spoke wasn't his. He didn't do his own will but his Fathers.
This is why Jesus said I and my Father are one. John 10:30
The Jews accused Jesus of saying he was God. Where did he direct them? Psalm 82:6-7
The scripture called men gods. They were the rulers of Israel. They were Gods representatives.
1 John 5:7 This verse is very interesting. It is not included in a number of other versions.
These are American Standard Version, Bible in Basic English, Easy to Read Version, English Standard Version, Good News Bible,
International Standard Version, Revised Version and World English Version. Why is it not included in these versions?
Jesus was sent and the one sending is greater then the one being sent. John 13:16
Jesus was in the beginning with God in that God new what man was about. Man would need a saviour.
Geneses 3:15 The seed of the woman. Before Abraham was, I Am.
Yes, it all has to start with trust in Jesus CHRIST & His name for Salvation! If someone truly trusts in Jesus they will love others
When we say we are not sinners it is because Jesus simply, the one / those who believe in Me will be saved. John 14:6. We are washed clean of what He bled on Calvary. John 13:10 What was before Christ was a lawful deed. Is now by His offer given us freedom from the law. Jesus fulfilled the whole law.
I can not give you any shortcuts. But for your own part, read the New Testament and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Also read the references to the old testament. Get the assurance of salvation dear.
The apostle Paul writes a lot about Sanctification, the body of sin and salvation in his letters, example Romans 8
Be and stay blessed in His Holy Name, love u in Christ.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
The set of scriptures that speak about Judas before he committed himself to betray Jesus are: Mark 3:13-19, Luke 6:13-16, John 6:61-71
The event that triggered Judas to act on his decision to betray Jesus: Matthew 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-11, John 12:3-8
Judas identified as betrayer at the last supper: Matthew 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, Luke 22:21-22, John 13:18-31
Once his betrayal was set in motion: John 17:9-12
At the betrayal: Matthew 26:45-50, Mark 14:40-46, Luke 22:45-48, John 18:1-9
After completing his betrayal: Matthew 27:3-10, Acts 1:16 and Acts 1:20
We must acknowledge Jn 2:24-25 was true of Christ before He chose any of His disciples. He was never deceived by anyone that temporarily followed him but fell away, including Judas, John 6:64. No prophet had been in Israel for centuries, so Christ alone had this ability when He came until Pentacost. After Pentacost the hearts of certain individuals could be revealed by Christ's Spirit to born again believers that are specially given that gift, such as Peter ( Acts 5:1-13, Acts 8:1-25) Note, Jusas, Ananias and Saphira, and Simon all had their hearts exposed as false thru their follies with money.
Judas was a disciple and he was broken off the vine, but he never had the fruit of the Holy Spirit and was never pronounced pruned/cleaned by the Father or Jesus. We know this because Judas was broken off by the Father before Jesus told the disciples they were pruned/cleaned branches abiding in Him, the true vine, who would bear fruit in John 15. Judas was marked unclean, he was never born again of the Spirit at Pentacost or made an Apostle for the great commission. He died a disciple without the fruitful presence of the Holy Spirit. He is proof that false fruitless brethren can be among us who depart 1 Jn 2:18-20, but not proof some are broken off by God who actually bear fruit by abiding in Jesus.
Matthew 25:40 in context Matthew 25:31-46, Ephesians 2:20-22,
What the Church is not/ should not be = Matthew 23,
Hopefully these are helpful
I misread your question originally,
That is a great question!! Here's a few verses out those mentioned I believe to be shown the toughest.
1 Peter 5:2-3, 5-6.
V2 ) Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
V 3 ) Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
Vs 5)Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
V 6) Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
HUMILITY AND MEEKNESS.
A lesson the Lord taught Peter in
John 13:4-8.
How do you expresses this and be truthful when someone is taken in a fault?
Example: Galatians 6:1-3. Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual,
RESTORE SUCH AN ONE IN THE SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS; "CONSIDERING THYSELF", lest thou also be tempted.
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Here's several issues come to mind in the verses you mentioned.
1). Humility: In ethics, freedom from pride and arrogance humbleness of mind a modest estimate of one's own worth. In theology, humility consists in lowliness of mind a deep sense of one's own unworthiness in the sight of God, self-abasement, penitence for sin, and submission to the divine will.
A prideful person wants praise and God's glory for himself. How do you restore that person in meekness without backlash? By not telling them the truth or just ignore them even if they're leading people Astray?
We all have had faults and still do, but we must be truthful and meekness in our approach while considering ourselves.
I believe this is where we worship in spirit and in truth. John 4:24.
God bless.
It's alright if you don't wish to respond to me, which ever the reasons may be. Please read: John 19:28, 1 Peter 1:20,
John 19:36, prophetic fulfilled by Isaiah the same Prophet that declares GOD's recompense, vengeance, punishment. Romans 11:2,
Luke 4:18,19, Isaiah 53, Luke 4:23-27, Galatians 3:8, Acts 8:32, Mark 15:28, Psalms 22, John 19,
John 19:37, John 20:9, 2 Timothy 3:16, Mark 12:10, John 13:18, John 7:42, John 17:12,
Luke 8:28
Jude 1,
Matthew 25:31-46,
AS with all things in Gods Word words are used with precision and this one is no exception. In the Gospel
of John 13:7 Jesus answers and says to peter What I does't now thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
The key is the word know it is either oida[ which is to have factual understanding by the senses ]example I know have
knowledge that people sail boats but I have no learned experience of how they work. The first know is oida just
knowledge. The second know is ginosko spiritual understanding received by explanation of the one giving the knowledge.
The one giving the second is God by way of His spirit when born again 2 Corinthians 2:14 the natural man cannot
ginosko know Gods love grace mercy etc. because these cannot be known unless born again. Its interesting to follow
this word throughout scripture to better understand Gods word. Many times the religious leaders of his day had
head knowledge of God the scripture and the looks but no spiritual understanding at all no connection.
Part 2 of 2.
THE COMMAND.
For starters there is more to the words command in the Greek that I am not adequate to explain.
What is actually being commanded?
What are Jesus commands spoken of in Matthew 28:20.?
Are these commands to be water baptized? let's take a look.
Matthew 28:19-20.
19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
For starters the command is to observe all things whatsoever I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. Who's being commanded?
Who's the you? The command went to the disciples. It wasn't a command to the recipient of the message.
Where is the command to the recipient to be baptized with water?
If baptism by water was an act of obedience to a command, where is it?
I do see where the lord commanded the disciples to love one another as he has loved them.
John 13:34-35.
34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
It does seem like verse 35 would be useful in their commission.
God bless.
Proverbs 6:30, Proverbs 6:23-26,
Hopefully these scriptures are also helpful in reference
Genesis 25:34, Hebrews 12:16, 1Samuel 25:10-38,
It is also commanded
Leviticus 19:15, Proverbs 24:23, James 1:1-10, Colossians 3:25, Ephesians 6:9, Job 32:21, 2 Chronicles 19:7, Deuteronomy 16:19,
Example Luke 20:21, Matthew 22:16, even when trying to trap Jesus they testified that HE wasn't a "respecter of persons"
Jesus was tested by this Luke 4:2-4,
Is it also coincidence that it was a piece of bread that was given before betrayal by Jesus? John 13:18,21-27, John 6:33,
There are writings outside the Bible, these two are mentioned in the Bible, the book of Enoch, Jude 1:14, the book of Jasher, Joshua 10:11 2 Samuel 1:18 but are they the original books, and there are the writings of Josephus.
Scripture does tell us Satan entered Judas, John 13:27, we see in Matthew 12:26 Jesus said, if Satan cast out Satan, suggests he could possess someone, but Mark writes the same conversation, he writes Jesus is speaking in parables, Mark 3:23.
In Daniel 8 not covering Media and Persia, Alexander the Great, and the four it is Antiochus went plundering to place himself above all including God, Isaiah 14:13 is a good description of his intent. He almost destroyed Jerusalem and the worship of God by Israel and placed the abomination in the temple, but he failed. Host of heaven in Paganism are the sun, moon, stars, and planets that is worshiped, but this is not about angels.
Demons and angels are not the same but if you are looking for scripture it is not in the Bible we have. Fallen angels are not in scripture just a definition that has been given the bad ones. Some angels left their first estate and are locked in chains of darkness (bottomless pit), 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6. They have a king, his name in Hebrew Abaddon, Greek Apollyon Revelation 9:1, the hell you speak of, in my understanding comes from Platonism and not scripture.
Revelation 12 that many places in the past but it is yet in the future, the battle is in heaven, so these angels still have access to heaven. When Satan and these angels are cast down to earth will be permanent because it says no more place is found in heaven, Revelation 12:8-12, my understanding this starts the 3.5 years of tribulation when Satan gives his seat, power, and authority to the beast.
There are evil beings on this earth 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 Ephesians 6:12, but how they got here is not in scripture.
Just a little information, may it not add to your questions.
God bless,
RLW
Luke 7:28
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Matthew 11:11
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
John 13:16
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
1st: we're told to exam ourselves, before Communion, not other's to allow or disallow. 1 Corinthians 11:28-31, Roman 14:1-4,
2nd: we are told to confess our sins to one another: James 5:16-17,
3rd: John 6:37,
4th: Matthew 23:9-10,
5th: 1 Timothy 4:1-6, "doctrines of devils" forbidding marriage?
However the Catholic church is well-known for hospitals, ministry to needy 1 John 1:25-27, Matthew 25:31-46,
& we're called to love one another: John 13:35,
Hopefully these are also helpful.
Sorry, John 13:6, not Matthew.