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Acts 7:55
1 Samuel 28
Matthew 17:2
Luke 16 Luke 16:19-31
2 Corinthians 5:6
John 14:2
1 Thessalonians 4
Here are some scriptures I found on the subject, I hope these are helpful.
Thank you for taking your time to respond, and I appreciate your comments, and related scripture.
You stated: "If anyone believes that the keeping of the Law is necessary to be saved, or that both the Cross & strict obedience to the Law is required to be saved, then a clear problem exists."
What is your definition of strict obedience of the law? Is trying our best to adhere to God's 10 commandments too strict? Jesus asks us to keep the commandments. John 14:15. The apostles strived to kept the commandments 1John 5:3. I believe that as good Christians we must also strive to keep God's commandments and in doing so, will help us, to produce the good works that are acceptable to God.
So, I believe that with our Faith, we will be blessed with Grace, and it should lead us toward obedience to God. I believe we agree on this. Where we may disagree is: Faith alone will not assure being saved. Many Christians today believe they can say they have faith and believe, but continue to live in their worldly sin, and they still expect that they will inherit the kingdom of God.
I believe, Jesus says otherwise in scripture, and here again emphasizes keeping the commandments, and producing good work if wanting to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Revelation 12:12-14
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Brother Chris, you and I will not be the judge, Jesus will be, and he is telling us right here in scripture plainly, what is required of us, to gain entry in through the gates into the city! In essence, we have the Judge telling us before he judges us - what he will be looking for in us!
Peace, and God Bless.
I noticed what you wrote "I don't create my own belief. I understand that I must be born again, and that it is totally a gift from the Holy Spirit." and thought I'd share my belief as well.
I'm not sure what you mean by you don't create your own belief. Believing is a choice. We are given freewill to choose who we want to follow and whether to obey. I choose to follow and obey Jesus Christ. John 14:15
Some believe faith is a gift. We can gain faith through hearing the Word of God as it says in Romans 10:17. This verse indicates that God can control the measure of faith we have: Romans 12:3. Some interpret Ephesians 2:8-9 as faith as being a gift, but I believe it means salvation is the gift. I believe we already have the freewill to choose and we gain faith through reading God's Word, just like it says.
Do you want to follow Christ? Have you read the Bible verses about how to do that? Link
No man can judge that you will go to hell, only God can make that final judgement call.
It is true, God gave man the Sabbath Day as a gift to rest our bodies and minds, and set aside and spend special time giving thanks to our creator. It has been well known and celebrated throughout history that the Sabbath Day referred to by God has been observed on Saturday the last day of the week. No man can change what God gave as a 4th commandment.
Jesus said below:
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
So yes, God encourages his children to keep his 10 commandments.
Good Bless.
Paul asks rhetorically, "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:14-15.
As for the verses you cite to suggest that I am violating God's "love" command, those verses are directed to the community of believers in Christ. What applies to believers does not apply to those who believe and promote a false gospel and serve the god of this world. That's why I said before that you are not my brother. Jesus told the Pharisees, "ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep." The tares and the wheat look alike until they produce fruit and are ready for harvest. The tares turn black and their fruit is poison; the wheat turns golden brown and its fruit is life sustaining. You and most people who identify as Christians are tares sown by Satan. Most people can't see the difference between the the wheat and tares because they look so much alike. It's been my experience that the tares hate the truth and openly resist it and they attack those who hold the truth in God's written word. This is how I know that you and your like-minded fellows on this site are tares full of hatred for the truth of Scripture and those who promote the gospel of grace.
John 14:1-3
Luke 10:20
Mark 13: 32-37
Revelation 3: 10
Matthew 24: 1-51
Philippians 3:20-21
Romans 8: 18-19
Acts 1: 7-11
Daniel 12: 1-2
1 Corinthians 15: 51-53
1 Thessalonians 4: 1-18
Revelation 12: 1-17
Revelation 19: 1-21
1 John 1: 3:3
Titus 2:13
Matthew 16:27
Colossians 3:2-4
Luke 21: 34-36
James 4:8
Ten Virgins story: Matthew 25
John 3:16
We must be born again at which time Jesus will give to you, The Holy Spirit.
On this website, out on the Red Link Page; BECOME A CHRISTIAN (which means Christ Jesus Follower)
Jesus is not escape insurance. He is the Son of God. He is the only one who can save us. So write that list of verses down on a sheet of paper and read in the Bible of them every day.
FAITHFUL IS HE WHO MADE THESE PROMISES.
[hey yall, don't send emails saying the word rapture is not in the Bible. I know that. It is called: CAUGHT UP or IN THE CLOUDS. Not everyone knows Greek or Hebrew. Thanks,
Mishael
I know how many perceive these verses and this is not to debate that, it is to show my understanding if someone wants to study it.
We see in ( John 13:1) this is right before the last Passover Jesus would attend before he would be crucified, and Jesus just then knew His hour had come. We see this by what He told them in ( Luke 22:14-16). We must keep in mind the things coming, Jesus being arrested, crucified, and His resurrection was hidden from the apostles until after His resurrection and He appeared to them.
When Adam sinned, sin filled the dwelling-place that God could no longer dwell in man and man could not dwell in God. The word mansions are the same word, Strong's 3438 mon meaning lodging, dwelling-place, room, abode, mansion. Jesus told them He was going to prepare a place for you. We know where He was going, the cross.
Jesus did prepare a place He gave is life, body, and blood and that dwelling place that Adam filled with sin, Jesus paid the price and now God through Jesus by the Holy Spirit, God can now dwell in man and man can dwell in God.
Jesus will return, His second coming and when all is new, we will forever be with Him.
God bless us, and our ears open.
RLW
The Holy Bible and God's Word is not a puzzle as some would like others to believe. The simple, the meek, the humble, and the children will inherit God's Kingdom. With that said, we don't have to get a PhD in theology to understand God's Word because if we are sincere, and humble, LIKE CHILDREN, God's Holy Sprit will teach us THE TRUTH.
Again, the scripture spoken by Jesus is very simple to understand and sums it all up:
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Jesus said the commandments (Law) will last until heaven and earth pass/end. Heaven and earth have not passed YET, so the law is still in place!
Matthew 5:18
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
The apostles did strive to keep the commandments, please see scripture below:
1 John 2:3
"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."
If we let others lead us away from the TRUTH with the "popular faith and grace argument" we are blinded to the THRUTH!
Mark 7:9
"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."
So in summary, we can keep God's commandments and walk in his ways, or follow your own man made tradition, as stated above in Mark7:9
God Bless
I'd like to question one of your assumptions: "Children of God don't want to sin"
Is that true?
Do you believe is Paul a child of God? In my view, Paul became one of the strongest Christian evangelists in world history. He was absolutely dedicated to preaching the message of Jesus Christ, and wrote more books than anyone else in the Bible. He also wrote the following which he admitted to struggling with sin:
Rom 7:14-19
Do you have any evidence for where the belief that Christians don't want to sin or aren't tempted by sin comes from? Currently, without further Biblical support I tend to believe Paul and what he wrote. God bless.
I know dozens of Christians living in sin right now and they are enjoying it immensely. They are taught they don't have to try to avoid it- that human effort is 'bad', so they follow the world and its desires, assuming they're following Christ. I know some assume there's nothing to worry about since they assume they're 'saved', but I am worried for their souls based on what the Bible says. John 14:15-17, ROMANS 11:6, Hebrews 10:26, James 2:19, 1 Cor 9:24-27. Is it 'wrong' to take the Bible verses literally and be concerned for one's salvation? Is it 'wrong' to believe in the Bible?
Jesus forgave the adulteress in scripture below:
John 8:11
"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
Jesus forgave the adulteress and asked her to TAKE ACTION - GO AND SIN NO MORE. If only grace and faith are needed - why would Jesus instruct the sinner to SIN NO MORE?
Jesus also instructs us to follow the commandments(10 Commandments)
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
In order to keep the commandments it is necessary to take ACTION.
Many Christians today want to take the "easy way" by professing only "Grace and Faith"..and this way of thinking is not in accordance with what Jesus taught.
God Bless
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless (not as I will, but as thou wilt).
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but (the will of the Father which hath sent me).
I have attended plenty of churches that teach this- where one Sunday you get 'saved' then you're done and don't have to do anything anymore. Then you're told that if you try you're bad or legalistic. They would call Jesus legalistic though for John 14:15. We must beware of false teachings from satan. I know a Christian who will probably be committing fornication tonight and has for years. The pastor taught him he's saved and doesn't have anything to worry about. Is that true?
Then you read something like Romans 6:15-23 that says while we're free from slavery to sin, we're not totally free, but instead slaves (servants) to righteousness. And sinning is "no big deal." But it's very big deal to God. God hates it and sinning is like slapping Him in the face and spitting on Him. That is a very different message than some are Christians are saying. So, those who believe they don't have to try as a Christian probably has a false sense of security and need to heed Jesus's words: Luke 12:5. This warning from the Bible is spread here in love so that all will get right with the Lord and be saved. There's only one truth- and I'd rather lean towards following God than following man's ideas.
I would like to offer another perspective to your comment: "And once you are saved, you cannot lose your salvation no matter what you do!"
I ask, is this true? If true, I would love to commit sins tonight just for fun, because no consequence. Would love to do drugs, have an affair, go to certain clubs to party, maybe even get in a fight, because if we're saved no matter what it wouldn't matter and God would still reward me?
So, is this true that it's from God and not from satan? Before I do that I would first need to find it in clearly scripture and no other scripture would contradict it. So, if I look through the Bible for evidence, I find the following:
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
This suggests grace won't be given until Jesus comes- maybe even after we're judged. But people are telling me I'm saved and have grace now, so which is true? Does anywhere else in the Bible say that?
1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
Ok, I guess it does. So, we're not 'saved' yet, huh?
Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
So, believing alone isn't enough? So, maybe faith and actions matter?
Romans 11
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Matthew 12:31-32
Romans 14:12
1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'
But many people are telling me the race is already won and that I can party. So, who is right: God's Word or man's word?
2 Peter 3:17
Luke 8:5-18
1 Timothy 4:1
2 Peter 2:20-22
Hebrews 3:12
Galatians 5:4
1 Corinthians 15:2-8
1 Corinthians 9:26-27 - this suggests 'trying' is good.
Evidence showing I should NOT commit sin. God bless...
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
Some like to use the same old tired argument to attack Jesus and try to discredit Him, which is: Jesus never claimed He was God.
It's a logical flaw to assume something based on something not being recorded. The Bible never said it's the Bible, either. The word Bible isn't in the Bible, so should we assume it isn't a Bible? You probably haven't ever published a book saying that you're a human being, so based on this logic we can assume you aren't one?
Just because there isn't a direct quote from someone doesn't invalidate a concept from the Bible. For example, the Bible didn't record Jesus ever saying we shouldn't "shoot someone." Does that mean it's ok? The Bible also didn't record Jesus saying the specific words that we shouldn't "have an affair." Does that mean it's ok, then?
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
1 John 2:22-24
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."
There's so much scriptural proof we run out of space to post them all. Deniers will still deny, just like it says in 1 John 2:22-24. Satan is real and is great at deceiving. Pray hard about learning the truth. The truth will set you free. John 8:32.
John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus's birth is prophesied and He is called Immanuel which means "God with us." Matthew 1:23-25 -fulfillment of that.
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"the Word was God."
That's hard to deny that truth. Let's read that again.
"the Word was God."
And it sounds like you're saying "the Word wasn't God." The Bible says one thing, you're saying another- the opposite.
Satan is the father of lies and he is no doubt behind every major deception, especially among Christians. A Christian is a Christ follower. Does that term bother you since you deny the above verses about His diety? This twisting of scripture in order to achieve a certain narrative seems awfully like the CNN version of the Bible.
Let's continue with more truth in scripture to refute the false assumptions posted here...
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
John 20:28
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
1 John 5:7-9, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son." John 1:1-18, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will SEND UNTO YOU from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
On the day of Pentecost, the Disciples in the Upper Room, Received the Holy Spirit. ACTS 2. You should read all of that passage. Jesus promised. The Disciples were joyous. The event spilled out into the streets.
The Holy Spirit is given to THOSE who receive Jesus as Savior and Lord. He is the 3rd person of the Godhead! And Jesus by going to the Cross made it possible to be baptized by the Holy Spirit.
When the believers are caught up to the clouds with Jesus, the Holy Spirits ministry on earth after that will be only for those unsaved people that pray for salvation, AND DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. (That mark will have GPS tracking)
People you love; tell them how to receive Jesus now.
Mishael
Faith is key to receiving Jesus' gifts when walking with Him in the Spirit daily, simply by: doing your morning verse and prayer, then practicing goodness with the first two commandments through the day with prayer when you need strength or forgiveness, carrying zero guilt, having no wants, carrying the Shield of Faith at all times after rising in the morning because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.
Faith is key, "For we walk by Faith (in things eternal knowing we are saved), not by sight (the things we see here, the evil, and death). 2Cor5:7.
Getting Faith, or growing it daily is key. It's easy. Jesus and the apostles made it so easy for us with the Gospels. None of the early Christians had the benefit of the Word, though meeting Jesus in person would have been the bomb.
HERE IT IS: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." Your morning verse and prayer alone will grow your faith. Practice walking in the Spirit all day, in faith, in prayer, loving a Creator we live and move and have our being in - that gave His only Son, Jesus, to be the sacrifice for us all, and He was perfect without blemish. We all here have committed sins against the Spirit in our monkey bodies sharing 99 and 84% DNA with chimps and dogs, resp.
So faith comes by hearing the Word of God, and I add reading it will suffice as well. The Word or Bible will grow you as you walk and your strength of faith will grow as well. He has shown the way - our Lord Jesus to get home to Heaven - John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no one cometh to the Father but by Me." And today's VOTD Matthew 17:20 is very special...faith!
It would take a lot of space to give you an answer to both these questions. I'll take question 1 and maybe someone else could help you out with the second question. John Chapter 8 is a very long chapter so I'll try and just give you a summary of the chapter unless you have specific questions on any of the verses in that chapter.
Verses 1-8 gives us the plot concerning the woman caught in adultery. Verses 12 through 20 gives us the proof of deity from witnesses. In verses 21 through 30, we see the perplexity over spiritual matters. And then in verses 31 through 59, we see the proof of conversion. If anyone wants proof that they are saved, just take a look at verse 31 which says, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed:"
Verse 58 is interesting. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Literally, before Abraham was in existence, I was already in existence, and always have been, the I AM of the Old Testament! These Jews knew who Jesus was claiming to be. That's why verse 59 says they took up stones to cast at Him.
My biblical explanation of John 14:8-9:
In verse 8, Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. It's like we've been hearing about your Father for three years, so show Him to us. You would think that maybe one of them had a girlfriend that said "Are you going to take me home to introduce me to your father? I haven't seen him. I haven't met him yet. We have been listening to you talk about your Father and that you speak His words, not your words, and that it is Him working in you, so show us the Father. Bring Him out!"
Then Jesus says in verse 9 that if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. In John 10:31, Jesus said I and the Father are one. And He is leading into teachings now that are going to say the Father and I, we are going to make our abode in you. I am in the Father, the Father in me, and we are going to be in you. We are going to be all one!